ArQueBusieR: MTF, not JTF, dumbo!

Boko Haram vs JTF: Jonathan orders probe into high civilian deaths in Baga

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1521&title=Boko-Haram-vs-JTF:-Jonathan-orders-probe-into-high-civilian-deaths-in-Baga


Senator Saraki lashes JTF over Borno massacre

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1528&title=Senator-Saraki-lashes-JTF-over-Borno-massacre&scid=46




Please can you now do us all a favour and slap your dumb self ArQueBusieR

Krucifax:


The first answer to this is that in all three cases, there was terrible loss of innocent life. However do not try to condemn JTF with an underhanded dig in your write. The Baga siege,is more significant because Baga was a community which harbored a terrorist group that held the whole nation to ransom.

I do not in any fashion support the killing of women and children(that was a national disgrace)however you must also apportion blame proportionately. The JTF team got to Baga in the wee hours of the day,surrounded the village and asked any Boko Haram affiliates to surrender themselves. How did they respond to JTF? With AK47s and RPGs(Rocket Propelled Grenades)! What did you expect JTF to do? Respond with bad language or ask them to calm down??

They opened fire on a Nigerian military force and JTF simply returned the favour. The collateral damage is however regretable but it was unavoidable. So in summary i have no criticism of JTF under the circumstances,they did what they had to do!! Fact.

We have seen cases of Nigerian security operative killing innocents and tagged them arm robbers. Etc

Can you prove to me beyond doubt that what you said actually happened and not a made up story by the JTF to cover up murder of Nigerians?

maasoap: And to imagine that people who want Obasanjo at ICC for genocide are the same set of people who today see the killing of 185 civilians as wiping out Boko Haram. Are they telling us that you can see a settlement that habour 185 boko haram? You people refer to the killing of children, women and defenceless men as collateral damage? Why do average Nigerian like and love to change sides at will? Why do they find it so convenient to condemn an act today and find justification for it tomorrow when another person commit the same offence? OBJ deployed soldiers to Odi and Zaki Biam, they condemned it, Jona's soldiers massacred 185 people, razed down an entire town including their market and food stores and the same set of people who once had and still have empathy for Odi and Zaki Biam people suddenly lost their conscience. My question to you people is 'what happened in Odi and Zaki Biam that didnt happen in Baga?' And this is happening few weeks after Mr Jonathan called OBJ action in Odi and Zaki Biam "genocide".

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The difference is as clear as 7up. Tivs in zaki biam came killed 5 soldiers and disappeared and taraban armies came and levelled zaki biam. But in the case of baga, a boko haram sub-heaquaters, soldiers came and sorrounded a boko haram mosque, acting on distress calls from villagers whom boko are ravaging and killing. And what did the boko bastards do, they killed an army officer and brought out their ill-gotten arsenal including surface to air missiles and started shooting and killing. The army engaged them and killed d 25 bokos, while d bokos killed over 150 civillians in revenge mission. The difference is as clear as 7up unless u compare the senseless terrorists killings to those of somalia, islamabad and agfanistan

Krucifax:


The first answer to this is that in all three cases, there was terrible loss of innocent life. However do not try to condemn JTF with an underhanded dig in your write. The Baga siege,is more significant because Baga was a community which harbored a terrorist group that held the whole nation to ransom.

I do not in any fashion support the killing of women and children(that was a national disgrace)however you must also apportion blame proportionately. The JTF team got to Baga in the wee hours of the day,surrounded the village and asked any Boko Haram affiliates to surrender themselves. How did they respond to JTF? With AK47s and RPGs(Rocket Propelled Grenades)! What did you expect JTF to do? Respond with bad language or ask them to calm down??

They opened fire on a Nigerian military force and JTF simply returned the favour. The collateral damage is however regretable but it was unavoidable. So in summary i have no criticism of JTF under the circumstances,they did what they had to do!! Fact.

I honestly like how you're trying to be neutral & not sentimental here. Kudos. However,I must say that in all honesty,I never blamed Obasanjo for the Odi massacre because it's not like the military team that went there just went solely to massacre a community. They went there with an objective of getting out a few people but they were attacked & killed & things got out of hand & the invasion affected the whole community. Talking from the viewpoint of probably a commander-in-chief or a military squad's commander...."it became necessary by almost any means to fish out militants/terrorists in that community." It's a sad event,but it was almost not avoidable. Fast forward a few years,something very similar has happened again in a new community because boko haram terrorists are terrorizing the country. Like you said,the JTF squad was attacked first & then they went in full force to fish out these guys by any means necessary. Once again, innocent people were caught in the cross-hairs & it is very very sad but I can't blame Jonathan. I only wonder how Jonathan who was acting "holier-than-thou" & accusing Obasanjo would feel stupid now. He was so firm at pointing fingers,now he would understand that a necessary act led to a sad happening but trust him to still live in denial as usual. Okupe & Abati would soon write up bullshyte as usual.

Ayoobscom: Absolute genocide my brothers
Indiscriminate killing is the father of terrorism

The surviving victims will live the rest of their lives in seeking vengeance against the oppressor

There's an Ame country commonly attacked buy individuals seeking vengeance..

Genocide is evil and should be discouraged as a means of settling vices..

What happened to iraq,Odi and baga is extermination....so sad..

[b]From your argument it follows that the relatives of the victims of the madalla church bombing and those of the victims at the luxury park should also become terrorists and seek revenge! It is very unfair and unreasonable to condemn our gallant soldiers without blaming the evil sect members that shoot at soldiers and run to take shelter amongst women & children. I keep saying that the jihadists are the main problem of Islam. If u know u cannot contain the firepower of your enemy why carry out attacks only to leave innocent Muslim women & children to pay the price?? This is exactly what happens between Israel and the Palestinians. U fire a rocket into Israel and then run into the midst of innocent women & children exposing them to fierce retaliation from Israel and then turn round to cry 'Genocide.'

The northerners should know one thing 'No boko haram no JTF!!' Abandon ur foolish jihad and save ur innocent women and children all this death; it is so painful to see women & children die whether they are muslims or Christians. Or better still the northerners could call for a referendum and vote to opt out of Nigeria so that they can establish their sharia state.[/b]

me_for_you: The difference is as clear as 7up. Tivs in zaki biam came killed 5 soldiers and disappeared and taraban armies came and levelled zaki biam. But in the case of baga, a boko haram sub-heaquaters, soldiers came and sorrounded a boko haram mosque, acting on distress calls from villagers whom boko are ravaging and killing. And what did the boko bastards do, they killed an army officer and brought out their ill-gotten arsenal including surface to air missiles and started shooting and killing. The army engaged them and killed d 25 bokos, while d bokos killed over 150 civillians in revenge mission. The difference is as clear as 7up unless u compare the senseless terrorists killings to those of somalia, islamabad and agfanistan

Stop being a selective reader & stop being biased,because you support Jonathan now,you intentionally refused to mention "Odi"...that you guys had been holding against Obasanjo abi? What bigots.

There are lots of difference: JTF got a wind of terrorist camping in the middle of town and decide to arrest. Does this people value their woman and children by open fire against those who are athourised under the law to shoot. First to pulled the trigger is the champion. I believe if those JTF doesnt respond to the shooting and about 50 of them perish like police in Bayelsa the op will be among consoling their relations or abusing them for incompetence. The difference is that ODI town masscre was ordered after many attempt to arrest those who murdered policemen but been linched by mob but BAGA is not been confirmed ordered.

EUROFIGHTERR:


[b]From your argument it follows that the relatives of the victims of the madalla church bombing and those of the victims at the luxury park should also become terrorists and seek revenge! It is very unfair and unreasonable to condemn our gallant soldiers without blaming the evil sect members that shoot at soldiers and run to take shelter amongst women & children. I keep saying that the jihadists are the main problem of Islam. If u know u cannot contain the firepower of your enemy why carry out attacks only to leave innocent Muslim women & children to pay the price?? This is exactly what happens between Israel and the Palestinians. U fire a rocket into Israel and then run into the midst of innocent women & children exposing them to fierce retaliation from Israel and then turn round to cry 'Genocide.'

The northerners should know one thing 'No boko haram no JTF!!' Abandon ur foolish jihad and save ur innocent women and children all this death; it is so painful to see women & children die whether they are muslims or Christians. Or better still the northerners could call for a referendum and vote to opt out of Nigeria so that they can establish their sharia state.[/b]

I hope you don't turn around & accuse Obasanjo of anything like you guys have been doing for years?

Krucifax:
Boko Haram vs JTF: Jonathan orders probe into high civilian deaths in Baga

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1521&title=Boko-Haram-vs-JTF:-Jonathan-orders-probe-into-high-civilian-deaths-in-Baga

Orji Kalu blames JTF for Baga killings

http://premiumtimesng.com/news/130946-orji-kalu-blames-jtf-for-baga-killings.html

Senator Saraki lashes JTF over Borno massacre

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1528&title=Senator-Saraki-lashes-JTF-over-Borno-massacre&scid=46

orji kalu and senator saraki are consummate rëtards...
they are blaming JTF for doing their jobs? only in nigeria would halfwits like these politicians even have a voice to heap criticism on law enforcers.....

kimakazee: There is nothing different, there is rather something very clear, and that is if you want to fight a war don't be a coward, come out plainly and do not hide in the midst of civilians, when you come out and show ur strength then then the Nigerian Army will do their job very well, but anyways if not for tribal sentiments creeping in now, they are very professional

I totally agree with you...a 100%

The poster just wan blab. Ask america how to fight terrorism.

@op the earlier communities in the not stops shielding terrorist group the better for them, cos i see more communities going the way of baga. This ongoing war againts Boko Haram will certaintly come with some level of "casualty". During crossfire bullets cant distinguish between civilians and Boko Haram.

Besides its safe to assume every worshipper in that said mosque in Baga to be a combatant, women and children inclusive.

U people shouldnt be sentimental, i am presently leaving in borno state. This terrorist deserves no mercy, hardly wil a day passed without them killing more than ten people and mind u, these pple are defenselles simply because there are Xtians. They ensure that u most leave the business u are in2 and the worst part of the incidence is that these pple are being backed by the state government and the so called elders of the state. This issue of BH is far beyong any other one in nigeria. Presently there are in absolute contro of over nine local governments and if u touch them the government will say u av done genocide.

pretty_boi:
Stop being a selective reader & stop being biased,because you support Jonathan now,you intentionally refused to mention "Odi"...that you guys had been holding against Obasanjo abi? What bigots.

did the passage reference odi? Learn to understand comprehension. Stick your points and arguments to ONLY what is said in the said article

Difference:
1) Obasanjo ordered Odi and Zak Ibiam massacre.

2) The Baga massacre might also have been ordered by Jonathan, but we are not sure. So we assume it JUST HAPPENED.

Krucifax:


Boko Haram vs JTF: Jonathan orders probe into high civilian deaths in Baga

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1521&title=Boko-Haram-vs-JTF:-Jonathan-orders-probe-into-high-civilian-deaths-in-Baga


Senator Saraki lashes JTF over Borno massacre

http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=1528&title=Senator-Saraki-lashes-JTF-over-Borno-massacre&scid=46




Please can you now do us all a favour and slap your dumb self ArQueBusieR

Chill, will you?

Nigeria gun battle was joint assault with Chad, Niger
http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2013/04/23/nigeria-gun-battle-was-joint-assault-with-chad-niger


Nigeria gun battle was joint assault with Chad, Niger
[url]http://www.courant.com/news/nation-world/sns-rt-us-nigeria-violencebre93m14k-20130423,0,5186381.story[/url]


Boko Haram: MTF Confirms 30 Insurgents, 6 Civilians Killed
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/boko-haram-mtf-confirms-30-insurgents-6-civilians-killed/145743/


Nigeria massacre a joint assault
http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/nigeria-massacre-a-joint-assault-1.1505252


Nigeria gun battle was joint assault with Chad, Niger: officials
[url]http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-us-nigeria-violencebre93m0n6-20130423,0,4556357.story[/url]


Nigeria gun battle was joint assault
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigeria-gun-battle-joint-assault-chad-niger-officials-123910603.html

Praying for God's intervention in this country.

Nigerians are so hypocritical.
Dali,Odi and Bags has one thing on common.
Militants where attacking military and civilian .

And the actions against those communities are wrong, because most of those militants and terrorist usually escape, leaving innocent civilians .

U cannot confront nigerian soldiers with AK's and ground to air missile and u expect them to be laughing. Am so sorry for the innocent persons that must have lost their lives

This attacks would bring peace in dat state for some months
That's good

**JUST IN**
BAGA FISH MARKET ATTACK!!!
Updated Casualty Figure available to Hope For Nigeria
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Body Count by JTF:
**1 soldier killed, 5 Injured
**30 Boko Haram Militants.
**6 Civilians killed in the crossfire.
**about 30 thatch houses got burnt.
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Villagers claims.
**2,000 Houses destroyed.
**185 people killed (no physical corpse to confirm figure).
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Borno Govt Claim.
**about 300 houses got burnt.
**100 people were killed (including Boko Haram fighters).
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Weapons Recovered from Boko Haram.
1] 3 Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers.
2] 2 Rocket Propelled Grenades Bombs.
3] 4 AK 47 Rifles.
4] 435 assorted ammunitions.
5] 7 quantities of IED material.
6] 3 Land Cruiser Vehicles.
7] Anti Aircraft Guns.
8] sophisticated IED materials that triggered fire.

Chibok01: U people shouldnt be sentimental, i am presently leaving in borno state. This terrorist deserves no mercy, hardly wil a day passed without them killing more than ten people and mind u, these pple are defenselles simply because there are Xtians. They ensure that u most leave the business u are in2 and the worst part of the incidence is that these pple are being backed by the state government and the so called elders of the state. This issue of BH is far beyong any other one in nigeria. Presently there are in absolute contro of over nine local governments and if u touch them the government will say u av done genocide.

[b]Fellow Nigerians did u read this U see how wicked those bornu elders are? Every day Christians are being wasted in maiduguri but they all look the other way and now because the JTF has turned the heat on them, they are shouting 'Genocide.' All the while, churches and luxury buses were being blasted these bornu elders never condemned the sect members only to turn round to request withdrawal of the JTF forgetting that if the JTF should leave maiduguri, it would only take a matter of days for boko haram to erase all the Christians. Imagine, NINE LGAs UNDER THE CONTROL OF BOKO HARAM!!!! The JTF should give a one-week notice for 'innocent' women & children to vacate those nine LGAs thereafter, invite the Air force and artillery units to bomb those LGAs out of existence. U don't allow terrorists control even one KM of land. The Americans have driven the taliban in afghanistan into the deserts from where they manage to try to operate and the Pakistan has done same. Algeria also employed brutal fire power to deal with terrorism.[/b]

No differnce. And it could be any one of us caught in the crossfire tomorrow

991: Those killed in kano car park bombing are innocent too!
Those killed in madala church bombing are innocent too!
Soldiers who die in this fight against terrorism are humans too!
This is a war against terrorism and casualties are certain.
RIP to the dead.

one way or the other there must be a lasting solution to this nonsense bombing all over the country.

long live Federal republic of Nigeria.

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Good point bro.

So sad that these happen and painful to read but also more sorrowful that these type of incident may not be the last in the north because unlike us down here the people ( majority of them ) see nothing wrong in the activities of the boko haram and those who among them who held a different opinion are too afraid to voice out for fear of their life. Believe me this is not a matter that amnesty can solve or building of infrastructure and other amenities that aids increase in the quality of life.

I have live and school in the north and I know what am posting. Until they are ready to accept that this nigeria belong to every tribe and religion that make up this nation, until the youth stop taking and believing every bullshit being dole out to them by their leader and elder and beginning to ask question, demand answer and do what is right then and then things like boko haram will have no place in their society but all hope is not lost because there still some who think and act different and one day they will be in control.

My brothers and sisters this is a battle that is deeply rooted in ideology.

Let the north come out and give us information on boko haram members and this massacres will stop. @OP if you fault this solution then what do you offer as a solution to end the menace of boko haram seeing that they have rejected amnesty don't just join the criticizing group who don't have any solution to this menace. In the case of ODI and co OBJ acted too fast but GEJ was patience enough waiting for boko haram to come to the table and you guys complained he is slow now he is acting you guys are also complaining. Give us solutions and don't just make noise.

The problem of odi started on November 4 and OBJ invaded them on November 20 How many years has boko haram killed innocent people, DID the gangs at ODI kill innocent women and women they attacked only military personals who are armed like them and not boko haram who are busy killing unarmed civilians.

Terrorist are fond of hiding on the midst of civilians and the best for the civilians is to vacate the area or provide information on them, during the era of isreal vs gaza did you see how they operate they will mouth their rocket launchers in schools and hospitals and will launch rockets against isreal so does that mean isreal shouldn't bomb the schools and hospitals. Mehn i believe in terror vs terror.

maasoap: And to imagine that people who want Obasanjo at ICC for genocide are the same set of people who today see the killing of 185 civilians as wiping out Boko Haram. Are they telling us that you can see a settlement that habour 185 boko haram? You people refer to the killing of children, women and defenceless men as collateral damage? Why do average Nigerian like and love to change sides at will? Why do they find it so convenient to condemn an act today and find justification for it tomorrow when another person commit the same offence? OBJ deployed soldiers to Odi and Zaki Biam, they condemned it, Jona's soldiers massacred 185 people, razed down an entire town including their market and food stores and the same set of people who once had and still have empathy for Odi and Zaki Biam people suddenly lost their conscience. My question to you people is 'what happened in Odi and Zaki Biam that didnt happen in Baga?' And this is happening few weeks after Mr Jonathan called OBJ action in Odi and Zaki Biam "genocide".

my frend fist of all I don't blame your likes becos u take advantage of the fact that gej is a tolerant man.dats why u pepl seize every oppurtunity to run to the media to redicle dis man but ur plans won't work.to ur question zaki ibiam obj sent sojas dia to engage d villagers dat killed nija sojas nd when they got dia their wasent any form of resistance,d same with odi obj sent dem with artilery to level a whole village.but d case of baga jtf came under attack frm bh using rpg nd using humans as cover so u expect sojas to fold dia arms nd wartch abi no be peason born soja?so mr op or wise man check ur difrence urself between self defence nd assult

The day you decide that EVERY means is necesary to fight evil, then you are not so diferent from the evil you fight

me_for_you: The difference is as clear as 7up. Tivs in zaki biam came killed 5 soldiers and disappeared and taraban armies came and levelled zaki biam. But in the case of baga, a boko haram sub-heaquaters, soldiers came and sorrounded a boko haram mosque, acting on distress calls from villagers whom boko are ravaging and killing. And what did the boko bastards do, they killed an army officer and brought out their ill-gotten arsenal including surface to air missiles and started shooting and killing. The army engaged them and killed d 25 bokos, while d bokos killed over 150 civillians in revenge mission. The difference is as clear as 7up unless u compare the senseless terrorists killings to those of somalia, islamabad and agfanistan

Shameless liar! So what did the JTF do when the BH boys were killing these 150 civilian and women and children ? Just stood and watched?

Krucifax:


The first answer to this is that in all three cases, there was terrible loss of innocent life. However do not try to condemn JTF with an underhanded dig in your write. The Baga siege,is more significant because Baga was a community which harbored a terrorist group that held the whole nation to ransom.

I do not in any fashion support the killing of women and children(that was a national disgrace)however you must also apportion blame proportionately. The JTF team got to Baga in the wee hours of the day,surrounded the village and asked any Boko Haram affiliates to surrender themselves. How did they respond to JTF? With AK47s and RPGs(Rocket Propelled Grenades)! What did you expect JTF to do? Respond with bad language or ask them to calm down??

They opened fire on a Nigerian military force and JTF simply returned the favour. The collateral damage is however regretable but it was unavoidable. So in summary i have no criticism of JTF under the circumstances,they did what they had to do!! Fact.

pls tell d hopless taitors in nairaland masqurading as humanist

Krucifax:


The first answer to this is that in all three cases, there was terrible loss of innocent life. However do not try to condemn JTF with an underhanded dig in your write. The Baga siege,is more significant because Baga was a community which harbored a terrorist group that held the whole nation to ransom.

I do not in any fashion support the killing of women and children(that was a national disgrace)however you must also apportion blame proportionately. The JTF team got to Baga in the wee hours of the day,surrounded the village and asked any Boko Haram affiliates to surrender themselves. How did they respond to JTF? With AK47s and RPGs(Rocket Propelled Grenades)! What did you expect JTF to do? Respond with bad language or ask them to calm down??

They opened fire on a Nigerian military force and JTF simply returned the favour. The collateral damage is however regretable but it was unavoidable. So in summary i have no criticism of JTF under the circumstances,they did what they had to do!! Fact.

pls tell d hopless taitors in nairaland masqurading as humanist