@ lanrexlan

Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12).

God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away.

Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14).

You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia?

I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil trick people into believing errors.

@ lanrexlan

Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12).

God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away.

Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14).

You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia?

I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil tricks people into believing errors.

truthman2012: @ lanrexlan

Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12).

God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away.

Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14).

You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia?

I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil tricks people into believing errors.

Brother,I don't want to give the full story about the building of the kabba in the hadith,but since you requested for it.This is it,in sahih bukhari,volume 004, Book 055, Hadith Number 583
Narated By Ibn Abbas: The first lady to use a girdle was the
mother of Ishmael.She used a girdle so that she might
hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son
Ishmael while she was suckling him,to a place near
the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam,at the highest
place in the mosque.During those days there was
nobody in Mecca nor was there any water So he made them sit
over there and placed near them a leather bag
containing some dates,and a small water-skin containing some
water and set out homeward.Ishmael's mother
followed him saying, "O Abraham!Where are you going, leaving
us in this valley where there is no person whose
company we may enjoy nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She
repeated that to him many times,but he did not look
back at her Then she asked him,"Has Allah ordered you to do
so?"He said,"Yes." She said, "Then He will not
neglect us,and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards,
and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not
see him,he faced the Ka'ba,and raising both hands, invoked Allah
saying the following prayers:
'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley
without cultivation,by Your Sacred House (Kaba at
Mecca)in order,O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly.
So fill some hearts among men with love towards
them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may
give thanks.' (Q14.37)Ishmael's mother went on
suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water(she had).
When the water in the water-skin had all been used up,she
became thirsty and her child also became thirsty.She
started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael)tossing in agony; She left him,
for she could not endure looking at him,and
found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her
on that land.She stood on it and started looking
at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody,but she
could not see anybody.Then she descended from
Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and
ran in the valley like a person in distress and
trouble,till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa
mountain where she stood and started looking,expecting
to see somebody,but she could not see anybody. She repeated
that (running between Safa and Marwa)seven
times."
The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking
of people between them (i.e.Safa and Marwa).
When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice
and she asked herself to be quiet and listened
attentively.She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you
may be)! You have made me hear your voice;
have you got something to help me?" And behold!She saw an
angel at the place of Zam-Zam,digging the earth
with his heel (or his wing),till water flowed from that place.She
started to make something like a basin around it,
using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with
water with her hands,and the water was flowing
out after she had scooped some of it."
The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's
mother!Had she let the Zam-Zam (flow without trying to
control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her
water-skin),Zam-Zam would have been a stream
flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added,
"Then she drank (water) and suckled her child.
The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is
the House of Allah which will be built by this boy
and his father,and Allah never neglects His people.' The House
(i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place
resembling a hillock,and when torrents came, they flowed to its
right and left. She lived in that way till some people
from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her
and her child,as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were
coming through the way of Kedar'.They landed in the lower part
of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit
of flying around water and not leaving it.They said, 'This bird
must be flying around water,though we know that
there is no water in this valley.'They sent one or two messengers
who discovered the source of water,and
returned to inform them of the water.So,they all came (towards
the water)."The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother
was sitting near the water.They asked her,'Do you allow us to
stay with you?" She replied,'Yes, but you will have
no right to possess the water.'They agreed to that." The Prophet
further said,"Ishmael's mother was pleased with
the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of
the people.So,they settled there,and later on
they sent for their families who came and settled with them so
that some families became permanent residents
there.The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from
them and (his virtues) caused them to love and
admire him as he grew up,and when he reached the age of
puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst
them.
To be continued

After Ishmael's mother had died,Abraham came after Ishmael's
marriage in order to see his family that he had left
before,but he did not find Ishmael there.When he asked
Ishmael's wife about him,she replied, 'He has gone in
search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of
living and their condition, and she replied,'We are
living in misery;we are living in hardship and destitution,'
complaining to him.He said, 'When your husband returns,
convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold
of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came,
he seemed to have felt something unusual,so he asked his wife,
'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an
old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you
and I informed him, and he asked about our state
of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and
poverty.'On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you
anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to
you and to tell you to change the threshold of
your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father and he has ordered
me to divorce you.Go back to your family.' So,
Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst
them (i.e. Jurhum).
Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as
Allah wished and called on them again but did not
find Ishmael.So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about
Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our
livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?'asking
her about their sustenance and living.She
replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything
in abundance).'Then she thanked Allah' Abraham
said,'What kind of food do you eat?'She said. 'Meat.' He said,
'What do you drink?'She said, 'Water." He said, "O
Allah!Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added,"At that
time they did not have grain,and if they had grain,
he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added,
"If somebody has only these two things as his
sustenance,his health and disposition will be badly affected,
unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then
Abraham said Ishmael's wife,"When your husband comes, give
my regards to him and tell him that he should keep
firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back,he
asked his wife,'Did anyone call on you?' She replied,
'Yes,a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him
and added.'He asked about you, and I informed him,
and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a
good condition.'Ishmael asked her,'Did he give
you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes,he told me to give his
regards to you and ordered that you should keep
firm the threshold of your gate.'On that Ishmael said, 'It was my
father,and you are the threshold (of the gate).He
has ordered me to keep you with me.'
Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as
Allah wished and called on them afterwards.He saw
Ishmael under a tree near Zam-Zam,sharpening his arrows.
When he saw Abraham,he rose up to welcome him
(and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a
son does with his father).[b/]Abraham said, 'O
Ishmael!Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said,'Do what
your Lord has ordered you to do.'Abraham asked,
'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said,
Allah has ordered me to build a house here,'
pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it."The
Prophet added,"Then they raised the foundations of
the House (i.e. the Ka'ba)[b].Ishmael brought the stones and
Abraham was building, and when the walls became high,
Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood
over it and carried on building,while Ishmael was
handing him the stones, and both of them were saying,'O our
Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are
the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both
of them went on building and going round the
Ka'ba saying:O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us,Verily,
You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (Q2.127),Eod

@truthman,so brother if you read that story with great care,you should realised Allah ordered abraham to settle hajar and ismael in the arabian peninsula,not abandon.According to the glorious quran,Allah said in surah Al-imran 3;65-67-''O people of the scriptures(Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about abraham(pbuh),while the torah and injeel were not revealed after him? Have you no sense?''
67)Abraham(pbuh)was neither a jew nor a christian,but he was a true muslim hanifa(he worshipped none but one true God-Allah).''

I can conclude abraham(pbuh)and his son ismael(pbuh)built the kabba,abraham(pbuh) didn't live in arabia peninsula,but he do visit his son and wife,he didn't abandon them.....Peace

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

Hagar was not Abraham's wife, she was a maid. Other women (including Hagar) who bore children for Abraham were not wives but concubines (Genesis 25:5-6). Concubine means man living with a woman not lawfully married to. Abraham sent all other children away except Isaac, the son from his legitimate wife.So Hagar was not Abraham's legitimate wife.

Abraham was from Mesopotamia (Genesis 24:10). That was his town where he sent his eldest servant to go and get wife for Isaac (Genesis 24:1-4). He lived in Canaan (Gen. 24:3). Sarah lived in Canaan (Gen. 23:2). This shows Abraham was living with his legitimate wife in Israel.

Therefore it is not true that the black stone was sent to Abraham in Arabia. He was not there. The black stone was a 'marker' of the Arabian 'god' - Abdulai's and Muhammad's Allah.

Abraham was a Jew. The Jews are his descendants (seeds) practising his religion (John 8:31-33, John 8:37).





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Gen 11:31
And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

So abraham who was born in Ur of Chaldes could not have been a jew.

Firstly, because Ur of Chaldes was in Mesopotamia, which is now a part of Iraq. He was then more arab than jews.

Secondly the name jew came after the existence of judah, the great-granson of Abraham. Read further, gen 12:4-5.

So abraham emigrated to Canaan at the age of 75 and Bible clearly mentioned that he was there a stranger in
Gen 17:8
 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Read Gen 14:13
And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

How can u call Abraham a Jew, read gen 32:28 what happened to the name of Jacob after wrestling with angel.

Gen 32:28
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The descendants of Jacob were Isrealites consisting of the 12 tribes. Judah was nicknamed "jew" so that only Judah's descendant were called Jews originally.

To know who Moses really was, Read Exodus 6:16-20

So Moses was not a Jew because he was not descendant from Judah but a Levite. Moses was the "law-giver" (Torah is law) to the children of Isreal.

We are using Holy Quran as a standard. You can explain the Bible and correct the Jewish and Christian prejudice with context of the Quran. It is the last revealed Book which has never been corrupted or adulterated. Its contents has been guaranteed by Allah in
Surah 2:2
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;

and also Q15:9
We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

In Surah 3:65
Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?

And in Q3:67
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

and Q2:140
Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!


Of course they were not jews or Christians as the name Jews came after Judah and the name Christians came long after Jesus had left.

truthman2012: @ lanrexlan

Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12).

God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away.

Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14).

You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia?

I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil tricks people into believing errors.

How could such a great prophet as Abraham have an illegal wife and a son out of wedlock!

Genesis 16:3: "... and [Sarah] gave her [Hager] to her husband Abram to be his wife."

If the marriage was legal, how could their offspring be illegal? Is a marriage between two foreigners, a Chaldean and an Egyptian, not more legal than a marriage between a man with a daughter of his father?

Whether it was a lie of Abraham or not, it is stated in Genesis 20:12: "And yet indeed she [Sarah] is my sister, she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

The name Ishmael was also chosen by Allah Himself: Genesis 16:11: "And the Angel of the Lord said unto her [Hager]: 'Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael, because the Lord hath heard thy affliction."' Ishmael means "God hears."

Where in the Bible is it written that Ishmael was an illegitimate son?

truthman2012: @ lanrexlan

Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael even though it didn't please him to do so. He had to obey Sarah because God supported her to send them away (Genesis 21:9-12).

God promised to make Ishmael great because of the love He had for Abraham afterall he was his seed but outside legitimate marriage. It was for illegitimate marriage between Abraham and Hagar that God sanctioned their sending away.

Correction - it was not Abraham who settled Hagar and Ishmael in Paran, Arabia. Abraham only prepared them for the journey and sent them away (Gen. 21:14).

You said when Abraham wanted to lay the foundation of Kaaba, he visited Ishmael and told him his mission. Although there is no authoritative source of this statement but if it is true it further confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together in Arabia. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia?

I pray God will give you understanding to see how the Devil trick people into believing errors.

According to the Islamic version, Abraham took Ishmael and Hagar and made a new settlement in Makkah, called Paran in the Bible (Genesis 21:21), because of a divine instruction given to Abraham as a part of God's plan.

Hagar ran seven times between two hills, Safa and Marwa, looking for water. This is the origin of one of the rituals that is performed during the pilgrimage to Makkah. The well of water mentioned in Genesis 21:19 is still present and is known as called Zamzam.

Both Abraham and Ishmael later built the Ka'bah in Makkah. The spot where Abraham used to perform prayers near the Ka'bah is still present and is known as the Maqam Ibrahim, i.e., the Station of Abraham. During the pilgrimage, pilgrims in Makkah and Muslims all over the world commemorate the offering of Abraham and Ishmael by slaughtering cattle.

According to Islamic view;
Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father).

Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it.

" The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying,

'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127)  

(Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"


This is islamic view on story of Abraham and his son, if you don't have any contrary view about the story please just accept it or bring Authoritative references to against it.

@truthman2012

Going through my explanation about Abraham, do you accept that;
1. Abraham was not a jew

2. Where in the Bible is it written that Ishmael was an illegitimate son?

3. Bring an authoritative references against the story how Abraham and his son built Kaaba?


I need ur response. Thks

ayenny02: @truthman2012

Going through my explanation about Abraham, do you accept that;
1. Abraham was not a jew

2. Where in the Bible is it written that Ishmael was an illegitimate son?

3. Bring an authoritative references against the story how Abraham and his son built Kaaba?


I need ur response. Thks

This argument appears endless and that is why I got disinterested talking further.

The Jews told Jesus that they were Abraham descendants. Jesus agreed with them (John 8:31-37). If this is not enough for you to believe Abraham was a jew, leave it.

You said Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to marry, did that make her his legal wife? Was Sarah the mother of Hagar to give her out in marriage?

If Hagar was Abraham's legal wife, would Sarah as a wife herself have the gut to ask her to leave the house? Why would God support Hagar being sent away if a legal wife?

If you will answer those questions objectively, you will get my message.

If you are now settled with the questions of illegitimate marriage, then there are yet two more questions and they are;

(1) Why would God choose to build His house with the illegitimate family, which He supported their being sent away and not with the legitimate family? Pls note that Ishmael was not the child God promised Abraham. Why would God leave Isaac, the child He promised and build house with Ishmael?

(2) From your writing, there is no argument that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together because you said Abraham went on a visit to Ishmael. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia as a mark or pointer of the location of Kaaba?

I rest my case here.

truthman2012:

This argument appears endless and that is why I got disinterested talking further.

The Jews told Jesus that they were Abraham descendants. Jesus agreed with them (John 8:31-37). If this is not enough for you to believe Abraham was a jew, leave it.

You said Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to marry, did that make her his legal wife? Was Sarah the mother of Hagar to give her out in marriage?

If Hagar was Abraham's legal wife, would Sarah as a wife herself have the gut to ask her to leave the house? Why would God support Hagar being sent away if a legal wife?

If you will answer those questions objectively, you will get my message.

If you are now settled with the questions of illegitimate marriage, then there are yet two more questions and they are;

(1) Why would God choose to build His house with the illegitimate family, which He supported their being sent away and not with the legitimate family? Pls note that Ishmael was not the child God promised Abraham. Why would God leave Isaac, the child He promised and build house with Ishmael?

(2) From your writing, there is no argument that Abraham and Ishmael were not living together because you said Abraham went on a visit to Ishmael. How then was the black stone sent to both of them in Arabia as a mark or pointer of the location of Kaaba?

I rest my case here.

See how you failed woefully, you better leave ur misguided religion and come to religion which God will accept from mankind.

I asked to produce proof how Abraham was a jews and come here with rubbish, go back to my explaination how judah was named jews as nick name. The quran says the truth abt Abraham;

And in Q3:67
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

Also I asked you to give authoritative references where Bible called ismael an illegitimate son but come here with empty head without any proof.

I will advice to leave that false you are in and accept true and accepted religion

ayenny02:
See how you failed woefully, you better leave ur misguided religion and come to religion which God will accept from mankind.

I asked to produce proof how Abraham was a jews and come here with rubbish, go back to my explaination how judah was named jews as nick name. The quran says the truth abt Abraham;

And in Q3:67
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.

Also I asked you to give authoritative references where Bible called ismael an illegitimate son but come here with empty head without any proof.

I will advice to leave that false you are in and accept true and accepted religion

I don't trust the words of the quran, which you call your proof. They were revealed to Muhammad by a violent spirit, which could not have come from the true God.

I realise the spirit of islam (violence) is already working inside you, going by your harsh words. Thank you.

truthman2012:

I don't trust the words of the quran, which you call your proof. They were revealed to Muhammad by a violent spirit, which could not have come from the true God.

I realise the spirit of islam (violence) is already working inside you, going by your harsh words. Thank you.

You don't trust Quran but you disagreed with ur Bible after the clear envidence from your Bible. Don't worry continue with ur disbelief and your conscience will be telling you that you are not on a right path.

ayenny02:
You don't trust Quran but you disagreed with ur Bible after the clear envidence from your Bible. Don't worry continue with ur disbelief and your conscience will be telling you that you are not on a right path.

You shall know the truth and it will set you free. Who is the truth? Jesus (John 14:6) Sura 3:55

You know the truth only if you wish to know. I qouted the quran because that is what you believe in. Even Allah recorgnises Jesus and His followers better than the muslims. Thank you.

truthman2012:

You shall know the truth and it will set you free. Who is the truth? Jesus (John 14:6) Sura 3:55

You know the truth only if you wish to know. I qouted the quran because that is what you believe in. Even Allah recorgnises Jesus and His followers better than the muslims. Thank you.

Thank God that you have known the truth and accepted that Jesus Christ was not crucified and not killed. Small Small now you go accept that Christianity is falsehood.

Q3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

ayenny02:

Thank God that you have known the truth and accepted that Jesus Christ was not crucified and not killed. Small Small now you go accept that Christianity is falsehood.

Q3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Quran 3:55
.....''O Jesus I will take thee and raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah (if God) take people from the earth? Is it not through death?

''O Jesus I will raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah raise the living to Himself? Only the dead is raised to life. You don't raise the living, you raise the dead.


Therefore the correct interpretation of Quran 3:55 is:

O Jesus I will take (kill) you and raise you to Myself... Unless Allah would say something and mean another thing.

Jesus was killed and was raised.

truthman2012:

Quran 3:55
.....''O Jesus I will take thee and raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah (if God) take people from the earth? Is it not through death?

''O Jesus I will raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah raise the living to Himself? Only the dead is raised to life. You don't raise the living, you raise the dead.


Therefore the correct interpretation of Quran 3:55 is:

O Jesus I will take (kill) you and raise you to Myself... Unless Allah would say something and mean another thing.

Jesus was killed and was raised.

Mr man dont deceive yourself, Quran will never support your falsehood, let me explain it very well from Arabic quran from Q3:54 - 55

وَمَكَرُوۡا وَمَكَرَاللّٰهُ ‌ وَاللّٰهُ خَيۡرُ الۡمَاكِرِيۡنَ
and they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill jesus) and Allah plotted too. And Allah is the best of those who plot.
Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.

(3:55) (And it was part of His scheme) when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will recall you and raise you up to Me and will purify you (of the company) of those who disbelieve, and will set your followers above the unbelievers till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me you shall return, and I will judge between you regarding what you differed.

EXPLANATION:
The verse indicates one of the glad tiding that Allah had already informed Jesus (peace be upon him) about. In this verse, Allah is informing Jesus of the Jews' firm intension to have him crucified and that He will save him and raise him to the Heavens. Allah is also informing him that he will return at the end of time clear of the harms and calumnies that the Jews had intended for him. Allah says: “…and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who disbelieve.”

Allah now clarified it the Quran 4:157-158
Surah 4, Verses 157 & 158:
“and their saying : we killed Christ Jesus, son of Mary, The messenger of Allah - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so; and those who disagree concerning it are full of doubts; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; For surely they killed him not; but Allah took him up unto Himself; and Allah is ever mighty, wise.


I CAN NOW SEE THAT YOU HAVE BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS NOT CRUCIFIED AND KILLED, PLEASE LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD AND ACCEPT ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF GOD

truthman2012:

Quran 3:55
.....''O Jesus I will take thee and raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah (if God) take people from the earth? Is it not through death?

''O Jesus I will raise thee to Myself.....''

How does Allah raise the living to Himself? Only the dead is raised to life. You don't raise the living, you raise the dead.


Therefore the correct interpretation of Quran 3:55 is:

O Jesus I will take (kill) you and raise you to Myself... Unless Allah would say something and mean another thing.

Jesus was killed and was raised.

IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS RAISED TO HEAVEN, I AM SURE YOU WILL BELIEVE THE ELIJAH HOW GOD RAISED HIM TO HEAVEN

2 Kings 2:11
And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

DO YOU BELIEVE NOW THAT GOD WHO RAISED ELIJAH TO HEAVEN, HE WAS THE ONE WHO RAISED JESUS TOO. SO,JUST ACCEPT ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF GOD NOT THE MAN MADE AND FALSEHOOD RELIGION YOU ARE IN.
PLEASE MY BROTHER IF JESUS COMES TODAY, HE WILL DENY YOU (CHRISTIANS) BECAUSE HE DID NOT KNOW THE RELIGION CALLED CHRISTIANITY. IT WAS AFTER THE JESUS HAS GONE THAT PAUL INTRODUCE THE CHRISTIANITY, EVEN THOSE DISCIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST DID NOT KNOW THE RELIGION.

Elijah was not raised to heaven because he didn't die, he WENT up to heaven by whilwind. Read the passage very well. I have been saying it often that you misinterpret the Bible because of your zeal in defending islam.

It is good to have zeal for God but not in ignorance. Your case is like that of Paul (your enemy), he was very zealous for God, defending Judaism, thinking he was working for God.You know what, he was a learned lawyer in Jewish law, he was so sure (as you are) of what he was defending.. God saw the sincerity of his heart and converted him to truth. God will also have mercy on you.

Jesus said ''I will build my church and the gate of Hell will not prevail against it'' (Mat. 16:18). The church (for christians) was in the plan of Jesus, which His disciples executed. It was not Paul's idea.

Christianity simply means 'Christ-like'. It was in Antioch that people saw and studied the disciples and christened them 'christians'. They were behaving like Chris - gentle, holy. loving. peaceful.

truthman2012: Elijah was not raised to heaven because he didn't die, he WENT up to heaven by whilwind. Read the passage very well. I have been saying it often that you misinterpret the Bible because of your zeal in defending islam.

It is good to have zeal for God but not in ignorance. Your case is like that of Paul (your enemy), he was very zealous for God, defending Judaism, thinking he was working for God.You know what, he was a learned lawyer in Jewish law, he was so sure (as you are) of what he was defending.. God saw the sincerity of his heart and converted him to truth. God will also have mercy on you.

Jesus said ''I will build my church and the gate of Hell will not prevail against it'' (Mat. 16:18). The church (for christians) was in the plan of Jesus, which His disciples executed. It was not Paul's idea.

Christianity simply means 'Christ-like'. It was in Antioch that people saw and studied the disciples and christened them 'christians'. They were behaving like Chris - gentle, holy. loving. peaceful.

Was it after or before Jesus that Christianity was established

Was Jesus asked them to formed the Christianity and why jesus not formed it before he departed?

Matthew 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. JESUS BUILT CHURCH NOT FORMED CHRISTIANITY


Why Paul doctrines contradict the teaching of Jesus?

ayenny02:
Was it after or before Jesus that Christianity was established

Was Jesus asked them to formed the Christianity and why jesus not formed it before he departed?

Matthew 16:18
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. JESUS BUILT CHURCH NOT FORMED CHRISTIANITY


Why Paul doctrines contradict the teaching of Jesus?

Jesus built church for who?

Was it Paul who first mentioned 'christianity'? I told you it was the people of Antioch who christened them 'christians'.

Why do you love/hate Paul that much?

truthman2012:

Jesus built church for who?

Was it Paul who first mentioned 'christianity'? I told you it was the people of Antioch who christened them 'christians'.

Why do you love/hate Paul that much?

So, you don't believe that the doctrine of Paul was contradict the teaching of Jesus

ayenny02:
So, you don't believe that the doctrine of Paul was contradict the teaching of Jesus

How? When? Where? Which?

truthman2012:

How? When? Where? Which?

TO FOLLOW OR NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS
Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works".


Paul Says:

Romans 7:9-10
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me".

1 Corinthians 15:14
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."

Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross";


ON THE DESTINY OF THE LAW AND PROPHETS
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished


ON THE SACRIFICE
Paul says:
1Cor.5:7- For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5:2- And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


SALVATION

According to Jesus:  The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments ,  If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples.

According to Paul:  “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS)

Which is it?  Obeying the commandments of God and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord?

MY BROTHER JUST LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IT WILL NOT PROFIT YOU IN HEAVEN BECOS PAUL WAS NOT AMONG THE. DISCIPLES OF JESUS

truthman2012:

How? When? Where? Which?

TO FOLLOW OR NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS
Jesus Says:
Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 16:27
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works".


Paul Says:

Romans 7:9-10
"I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died; the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me".

1 Corinthians 15:14
"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."

Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross";


ON THE DESTINY OF THE LAW AND PROPHETS
Paul says:
Rom.10
[4] For Christ is the end of the law, that every one who has faith may be justified.

Jesus says:
Matt.5
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished


ON THE SACRIFICE
Paul says:
1Cor.5:7- For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
Eph.5:2- And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.


Jesus says:
Matt.9
[13] Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.'


SALVATION

According to Jesus:  The rich young ruler asked Jesus how he could find salvation. Jesus answered, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments ,  If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matt 19:16-21, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 18:18-22, KJV) In other words, obey Torah, and follow Jesus' examples.

According to Paul:  “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Rom 10:9-10, NAS)

Which is it?  Obeying the commandments of God and following Jesus, or merely believing in Jesus’ resurrection and confessing him as Lord?

MY BROTHER JUST LEAVE YOUR FALSEHOOD IT WILL NOT PROFIT YOU IN HEAVEN BECOS PAUL WAS NOT AMONG THE. DISCIPLES OF JESUS

@ ayenny02

I don't know how and where to start. It is like trying to give a lecture meant for a university student to a primary school puipil. You know it is a very difficult task.

Anyway let me begin this way: there is a difference between the Law of the Flesh and the Law of the Spirit, i.e. the Dispensation of Grace. The law of the flesh is the law written on paper, which Mose received, the ten commandments.

These ten commandment were later expanded to many laws in the Book of Leviticus. People try to keep all the laws but it was very difficult for them. God is a Spirit, not man.

If humans were spirits, it would have been easy for them to keep God's laws because God is a Spirits. Angels don't have problem keeping God's law because they are spirit beings. Many people were killed for breaking the laws.

Man's imperfection in keeping the law necesitated the coming of Jesus. He came to transform the Law of the Flesh to the Law of the Spirit. That is why He says unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Then He went further by saying unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-6).

That is to say by trying to keep the laws as on paper with one's own ability, nobody can attain perfection to qualify him to enter God's kingdom, because there is no way anybody can keep all the laws in the power of the flesh , i.e. by human ability without breaking any. Your nature must change from carnal to spiritual before you can have the power to keep all the laws to please God. You must be posessed of God's Spirit, which is possible ONLY by accepting Jesus.

All these Paul was trying to explain about the law but as a learned lawyer, he was speaking in ways difficult to understand, especially to those who just read the Bible on the surface of it.

By TRULY believing and confessing Jesus, and being born of the Spirit, it is automatic you obey the Laws of God without struggling.

Let me tell you the truth, if you are born of the Spirit, you will struggle to commit sin because it will not be easy for you. For those who are not born of the Spirit, they struggle to obey God's law but easy for them to commit sin.

In His capacity as the Son of God, Jesus aborlished some laws in the OT because He deemed them unnecessary. e.g free divorcement, forbiding eating of whatever you like if not poisonous. He said what defies a man is not what he takes in but what comes of him etc.

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

I don't know how and where to start. It is like trying to give a lecture meant for a university student to a primary school puipil. You know it is a very difficult task.

Anyway let me begin this way: there is a difference between the Law of the Flesh and the Law of the Spirit, i.e. the Dispensation of Grace. The law of the flesh is the law written on paper, which Mose received, the ten commandments.

These ten commandment were later expanded to many laws in the Book of Leviticus. People try to keep all the laws but it was very difficult for them. God is a Spirit, not man.

If humans were spirits, it would have been easy for them to keep God's laws because God is a Spirits. Angels don't have problem keeping God's law because they are spirit beings. Many people were killed for breaking the laws.

Man's imperfection in keeping the law necesitated the coming of Jesus. He came to transform the Law of the Flesh to the Law of the Spirit. That is why He says unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Then He went further by saying unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-6).

That is to say by trying to keep the laws as on paper with one's own ability, nobody can attain perfection to qualify him to enter God's kingdom, because there is no way anybody can keep all the laws in the power of the flesh , i.e. by human ability without breaking any. Your nature must change from carnal to spiritual before you can have the power to keep all the laws to please God. You must be posessed of God's Spirit, which is possible ONLY by accepting Jesus.

All these Paul was trying to explain about the law but as a learned lawyer, he was speaking in ways difficult to understand, especially to those who just read the Bible on the surface of it.

By TRULY believing and confessing Jesus, and being born of the Spirit, it is automatic you obey the Laws of God without struggling.

Let me tell you the truth, if you are born of the Spirit, you will struggle to commit sin because it will not be easy for you. For those who are not born of the Spirit, they struggle to obey God's law but easy for them to commit sin.

In His capacity as the Son of God, Jesus aborlished some laws in the OT because He deemed them unnecessary. e.g free divorcement, eating of whatever you like if not poisonous. He said what defies a man is not what he takes in but what comes of him etc.

Infact, I dey pity you after the truth has cleared to you and you are still refusing to accept the truth and to leave that falsehood alone.

Let me show you another lies of Apostle paul maybe you will see that clearly,

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

truthman2012: @ ayenny02

I don't know how and where to start. It is like trying to give a lecture meant for a university student to a primary school puipil. You know it is a very difficult task.

Anyway let me begin this way: there is a difference between the Law of the Flesh and the Law of the Spirit, i.e. the Dispensation of Grace. The law of the flesh is the law written on paper, which Mose received, the ten commandments.

These ten commandment were later expanded to many laws in the Book of Leviticus. People try to keep all the laws but it was very difficult for them. God is a Spirit, not man.

If humans were spirits, it would have been easy for them to keep God's laws because God is a Spirits. Angels don't have problem keeping God's law because they are spirit beings. Many people were killed for breaking the laws.

Man's imperfection in keeping the law necesitated the coming of Jesus. He came to transform the Law of the Flesh to the Law of the Spirit. That is why He says unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom. Then He went further by saying unless a man is born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God (John 3:1-6).

That is to say by trying to keep the laws as on paper with one's own ability, nobody can attain perfection to qualify him to enter God's kingdom, because there is no way anybody can keep all the laws in the power of the flesh , i.e. by human ability without breaking any. Your nature must change from carnal to spiritual before you can have the power to keep all the laws to please God. You must be posessed of God's Spirit, which is possible ONLY by accepting Jesus.

All these Paul was trying to explain about the law but as a learned lawyer, he was speaking in ways difficult to understand, especially to those who just read the Bible on the surface of it.

By TRULY believing and confessing Jesus, and being born of the Spirit, it is automatic you obey the Laws of God without struggling.

Let me tell you the truth, if you are born of the Spirit, you will struggle to commit sin because it will not be easy for you. For those who are not born of the Spirit, they struggle to obey God's law but easy for them to commit sin.

In His capacity as the Son of God, Jesus aborlished some laws in the OT because He deemed them unnecessary. e.g free divorcement, eating of whatever you like if not poisonous. He said what defies a man is not what he takes in but what comes of him etc.

Infact, I dey pity you after the truth has cleared to you and you are still refusing to accept the truth and to leave that ur falsehood alone.

Let me show you another lies of Apostle paul maybe you will see that clearly,

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

ayenny02:
Infact, I dey pity you after the truth has cleared to you and you are still refusing to accept the truth and to leave that ur falsehood alone.

Let me show you another lies of Apostle paul maybe you will see that clearly,

ANOTHER PAUL LIES

Acts 22:9
9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they HEARD NOT THE VOICE of him that spake to me.

Act 9:7
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, but seeing no man


QUESTION---(HEARD NOT THE VOICE OR HEARING A VOICE)

Romans 3:7
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

Philippians 1:18
18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

These are enough for you to believe that your religion was full of falsehood.

Paul was not a liar as you have wrongly asserted. His critics, especially the muslims are only ignorant of the situations or circumstances he made the statements they call lies.
He was a strong faithful of Jewish religion - Judaism and his conversion must have caused serious uproars. It is like a muslim cleric converting to Christianity. What do you think will happen?

Romans 3:7
Nobody, talk less of a man of God would say he is lying. How would he expect people to believe his messages? What happened was that he was being judged on his message by the Jews who became his enemies because of his conversion. He was speaking against those things he once believed and they called him a liar. He was trying to make them know that he was pleased to be called a liar rather than making God a liar. His motive was better false preaching the Gospel of Jesus than have a right motive practicing Judaism he left.

Acts 9:7
This was not a statement made by Paul. It was a reported speech and this is shown by the letter 'he' not 'I' as in verse 6 and in verse 8, 'Saul' not 'I'. The Yoruba people say "if a reported speech is not more, it will be less than what actually happened". Don't condemn him for lying here.

Acts 22:9
This was a statement made by Paul himself. Here he gave the true account of what happened to him.

The Bible is not a 'perfected' Book like the Quran. It says things as they really are, good or bad, holy or unholy, no hiding. In the Quran many revelations were replaced to correct the errors made by Allah:

[Pickthal 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not

What is the need replacing a revelation if not for error? Can the true God commit errors.

Again the Quran says:

[Pickthal 5:3].........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Quran has been perfected after removing and replacing vital information. Yet the job was not completely done as we can find many blunders.

truthman2012:

Paul was not a liar as you have wrongly asserted. His critics, especially the muslims are only ignorant of the situations or circumstances he made the statements they call lies.
He was a strong faithful of Jewish religion - Judaism and his conversion must have caused serious uproars. It is like a muslim cleric converting to Christianity. What do you think will happen?

Romans 3:7
Nobody, talk less of a man of God would say he is lying. How would he expect people to believe his messages? What happened was that he was being judged on his message by the Jews who became his enemies because of his conversion. He was speaking against those things he once believed and they called him a liar. He was trying to make them know that he was pleased to be called a liar rather than making God a liar. His motive was better false preaching the Gospel of Jesus than have a right motive practicing Judaism he left.

Acts 9:7
This was not a statement made by Paul. It was a reported speech and this is shown by the letter 'he' not 'I' as in verse 6 and in verse 8, 'Saul' not 'I'. The Yoruba people say "if a reported speech is not more, it will be less than what actually happened". Don't condemn him for lying here.

Acts 22:9
This was a statement made by Paul himself. Here he gave the true account of what happened to him.

The Bible is not a 'perfected' Book like the Quran. It says things as they really are, good or bad, holy or unholy, no hiding. In the Quran many revelations were replaced to correct the errors made by Allah:

[Pickthal 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not

What is the need replacing a revelation if not for error? Can the true God commit errors.

Again the Quran says:

[Pickthal 5:3].........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Quran has been perfected after removing and replacing vital information. Yet the job was not completely done as we can find many blunders.

Thank God that you confirmed from your mouth that "The Bible is not a 'perfected' Book like the Quran".

My question for you now is that WHY DO YOU FOLLOW THE RELIGION WHERE THE BOOK IS FULL OF ERRORS, MISGUIDANCE, CONTRADICTION, IMPERFECTION AND CORRUPTED. WHY!!!
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Explanation on Quran 16:101

Still another misunderstanding concerns the so-called doctrine or abrogation. Quran 16:101;

"When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not."

The Word AYAH in that verse from ARABIC QURAN means sign, message, or verses. So it is that many christians have imagined that some verses of the Quran were changed. Their difficulty is with language. They misunderstand the word cancel.

For example, the Quran commands one not to pray when drunk. As the Quran was revealed gradually over a period of 23yrs, a later verse forbade intoxicants. But this later verse does not cancel the earlier. Compare restricted drug laws in most countries. These are laws giving penalties for possession, but other laws penalizing those who sell these drugs. Yet the first kind of law does not cancel the second kind.

All charges of abrogation are applied to legal matters. However the verse of 16:101 refers to something that had already happened. Yet this verse was revealed in Mecca. All verses relating to legal matters were revealed later in Medina. There is no inconsistency in the Quran. Remember, this is claim of Q4:82-
"Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy"


The best explanation of the Quran is the Quran itself. The clarification of Q16:101 is found at Q2:106;
" None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things"

Here the same though is expressed but this time the context shows that the Jews were being addressed. The word AYAH refers then to previous message of the Prophets. In particular, some of the Jews law was supplanted by the Quran.
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Quran 5:3, I don't see anything wrong with it if you read it from beginning of verse you will understand very well that those foods that forbidden for us to eat ....... But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

...This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Can you bring the likes of that verses from the Bible that God has chosen Christianity as a religion?

@truthman
God created this world not for nothing. He has supplied you with organs of differentiate btw right and wrong. He has sent many prophets as warners. We created to worship Him alone:

Q3:191........"Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.

Surah 90:8-10
8:Have We not made for him (mankind) a pair of eyes?-
9: And a tongue, and a pair of lips?-
10:And shown him the two highways

Surah 51:56
I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.

Surah 18:7
That which is on earth we have made but as a glittering show for the earth, in order that We may test them (mankind) as to which of them are best in conduct.

I AM SURE U WILL BE CONVINCED OF THE AUTHENTICITY OF ISLAM AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED OUR DIFFERENCES

@ ayenny02

There is no way a reasonable person will accept the quran as revelations from the true God, unless the person is under satanic deception:

1. The manner Muhammad received the revelations was inconsistent with how God reveals His words. God is a God of justice and love. How come Gabriel tormented Muhammad three time for being unable to do what he could not do? Read. Read what? If you say 'Recite', recite what? Recite what has not been taught him or read what when he did not come with any written paper? Even if there a written paper, he knew he was illiterate. Then the next thing was press him to almost the point of death thrice.

2. Those who study demonology would easily understand that this is how evil spirits operate - forcing their victims to obey. Please note that Muhammad was not the first person to see Gabriel. Mary and Zacharia saw the true Gabriel before him and their was no report of torture or torment. None of them went home to say they saw evil spirit like Muhammad did. No doubt it was not God's Gabriel he saw. Tell me, why would he be punished to be sent good news.

What Satan simply did was pretend he was God (Allah) and that there was the real Satan somewhere. He talked about Satan to make them believe he was God. He capitalized on the ignorance of the Arabs then. He knew they had no much knowlege of the Gospel to detect his deceptions. They were idol worshipers.

He was changing his revelations by replacement as many times as the need for manipulations were arising. If Muhammad had not died, the quran would have changed many times over in the name of 'perfecting' the religion.

How could God say He was changing His revelations because He later had a better idea (Quran 2:106)? It was because Allah is not the All-knowing God. Satan.

How could God command His prophet to take the wife of anybody, talk less that of an adopted son and because of that changed the law of child adoption. It was this same Allah's prophet that was known for indecent acts with women. If God is a God of holiness, His prophet would not be that corrupt. Which prophet was as corrupt as him?

There so many things I would have exposed but for time. Gradually I will do, God willing.