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Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 12:35pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/4641
http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/4641 |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 12:37pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
I wonder what's happening here. I posted this before and couldn't find it. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 12:41pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
This article is very insightful and shows the true intentions of the neocons: "to replace the Cold War with a world order that includes no rivals large or small". |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 12:44pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
A very important excerpt: "Iran has not attacked another country in more than two centuries, and it developed powerful missiles only after the US banned the sale of air force jets to Iran by all suppliers. Harsh rhetoric aside, Iran spends less per capita on its military than most countries in the region do. It can not possibly challenge the legendary military superiority of Israel, which fears US-Iranian reconciliation would diminish its strategic value to Washington and therefore make the occupation of Palestinian lands politically untenable." |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by Afam(m): 4:50pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
RichyBlacK: Trust me this will become common practice as the Politics Section now have a moderator (Kobojunkie) - someone that has a clear and unambiguous hatred for anything Arab or Islam and total support for anything US and Israel. So, do not be surprised if every single thread that does not expressly support the West begins to disappear from this section. Meanwhile the article is based on facts that we have known all along. Lies don't last, they crumble like pack of cards. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by doyin13(m): 6:12pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Are you people seriously putting Iran on a pedestal? Criticising American foreign policy is one thing, but doing so and consecrating Iran in the process is pretty disingenuous. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by 4Him1(m): 6:16pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
RichyBlacK: Of more importance is Iran's covert support of terror. It is an open secret that hezbollah is the foreign arm of Iran's revolutionary guards. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 6:27pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
doyin13: Yeah right! Iran, like many nations has her ugly sides, but the way the Western media has portrayed Iran to their audience is what is "disingenuous". Iran's foreign policy is more peaceful than that of the United States. While you may point to Hamas and Hezbollah as consequences of Iran's foreign policy, America's demons span the globe. US support for the Mujahadeens against the Soviets in Afghanistan established today's Taliban. Their policy in the Korean peninsular established the tyrant in North Korea. Their policies in Africa and South America led to many civil unrests, civil wars, and the entrenchment of dictators like Pinochet (Chile) and Mobutu Seseseko (DRC). Paranoia over Is.lam and the growing popularity of the Ayatollah in Iran saw America supporting the late Saddam Hussein to the point of instigating war against Iran. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 6:29pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
4 Him: Do you want a list of the "covert support of terror" by the United States? The list is very long indeed! |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by Afam(m): 6:30pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
4 Him: Foreign arm of Iran's revolutionary guards? I need a cold bottle of fanta, where is Nollywood? We have wonderful movie scripts on this forum. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by 4Him1(m): 6:31pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
RichyBlacK: Well if you have a list of terror organisations propped up by the US primarily to disrupt foreign governments then let us know. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by doyin13(m): 6:31pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Dude. . . .they stone people to death in Iran. For an habitual adulterer like me. . . .that is bad news but seriously. . . . . . . Like i said. criticising American foreign policy is all well and good, and God knows, it is flawed in many respects. But the regime in Iran is a misnomer considering where the world is. Their method and instruments of rule are outdated by about two or three centuries. It is barbaric and wicked. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by bawomolo(m): 6:32pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Iran's foreign policy is more peaceful than that of the United States. oh really. supporting shia militia's in iraq and hezbollah in the middle east doesn't seem peaceful to me. since when did the US become the standard for pacifism anyway?? US support for the Mujahadeens against the Soviets in Afghanistan established today's Taliban. US provided funds to the ISI of pakistan. it was the ISI that determined where the funds went too. no one would have guessed the taliban would sprung from this. Their policy in the Korean peninsular established the tyrant in North Korea hmm was it france or the US that colonized korea. was it japan or the US that occupied korea. funny how u conveniently removed communist soviet union from this.
oh ok, we get it. u hate america blah blah bla. now tell us what good iran has brought to the world |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by 4Him1(m): 6:33pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Afam: No, you actually need to grab a history textbook and read about Hezbollah's birth in 1982. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by bawomolo(m): 6:34pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Foreign arm of Iran's revolutionary guards? hezbollah was given 100 million dollars by iran after the war with israel. where did those fajr-5 rockets come from. your papa's backyard?? |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by doyin13(m): 6:38pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
I don't know why such debates on this forum often pit people at extreme ends. Critiquing American foreign policy and the Iranian equivalent are not mutually exclusive. I happen to find both highly flawed. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 6:39pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Afam: Yeah, I see that. Unfortunately, Seun has appointed a biased person as moderator for the politics section. I hope she does not bring in her slanted ideology in moderating this section. Let her not interfere with our rights as members of this forum to express our opinion - even if she disagrees with us. I find almost all her political views ludicrous and I'm highly disappointed that such a person has been given the authority to moderate this section. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 6:46pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
@bawomolo, 4Him You mention Hamas and Hezbollah, I submit this: [size=14pt]The two-faced West[/size] Governments in the rich world are keen to export the notion of civil and political rights. But this cause is weakened by their past hypocrisy in dealing with the human-rights records of their allies — and their opponents. NICARAGUA (1980s) Human-rights record The Sandinista regime’s punishment of people assisting the contra guerillas causes some concern, as does the harassment of opposition-party and trade-union members. Around 2,500 prisoners are held for offences committed under the Somoza dictatorship. The press is subject to some censorship. Treatment of Miskito Indians is brutal at first but improves later. Western response The US trains and finances the contra rebels, who in 1986 alone receive $100 million in military aid. Covert funding for them is revealed in the Irangate scandal. Human-rights abuses by contras are common. The US also strangles Nicaragua’s economy by a trade-and-aid blockade. In 1990, tired of war and hardship, Nicaraguans vote in an opposition coalition but the US refuses to renew aid, claiming the new government is still too far left. EL SALVADOR (1980s) Human-rights record Between 1979 and 1985 45,000 unarmed civilians are murdered by government troops and right-wing death squads operating under military control. The late 1980s are only slightly less grim: death squads continue to operate; torture and arbitrary arrest remain routine. The guilt of the military and the Government is confirmed in a UN report published in March 1993. Western response In the 1980s the US gives six billion dollars in aid to the Salvadoran Government. US advisers train the military in the latest counter-insurgency techniques and suggest ways for the Government to improve its image abroad. The Reagan Administration withholds information from US Congress about the worst human-rights abuses. ANGOLA (1974 – present) Human-rights record The Marxist MPLA Government allows no opposition parties through the 1970s and 1980s; it fights a civil war against foreign-backed UNITA guerillas. Government opponents are detained without trial for long periods and prisoners are tortured. But the 1990s sees a sea change: 3,000 political prisoners are released in 1990, a multi-party system and human-rights guarantees introduced in 1991 and free elections held in 1992. The Government wins the election fairly but UNITA disregards the result and renews the civil war. Western response The US and South Africa support UNITA from independence in 1974 – joint CIA-South African forces try to capture the capital but are routed by the MPLA's Cuban allies. Further CIA involvement in Angola is outlawed, though in 1986 the Reagan Administration is found to be channeling $15 million of covert aid for UNITA through Zaire. Western countries, led by the US, maintain a trade-and-aid embargo. The US embargo remains in place despite the free elections: President Clinton has this ‘under review’. ZAIRE (1965 – present) Human-rights record Former army commander Mobutu Sese Seko rules Zaire with an iron fist from 1965. Torture, detention without trial and imprisonment of political opponents prevail throughout his rule. In 1990 Mobutu promises free elections but later changes his mind, wishing 'to preserve his authority without exposing himself to criticism'. Student protests calling for his resignation are brutally put down, with at least 100 students murdered. Today Mobutu still faces major popular uprisings but refuses to relinquish power. Western response From 1975 Mobutu is the West’s staunchest ally in the region and Zaire is the biggest recipient of US aid in sub-Saharan Africa. In 1979 Mobutu is saved from a major rebel offensive by French and Belgian paratroopers, with US logistical support. In 1993 the mounting popular pressure on Mobutu finally leads Western powers to take a tougher line: France, Belgium and the US decide they can no longer sustain him and press him to resign. IRAQ (August 1990 – present) Human-rights record Since the Gulf War Saddam’s regime has re-asserted its complete control over society. Virtually every important liberty is denied the Iraqi people. No political dissent, even of the mildest kind, is possible and fear of the mukhabarat, the ubiquitous secret police, pervades everyday life. Thousands of political prisoners are detained without charge and torture is still routine. Western response Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait the UN imposes a total economic and military blockade and a US-led alliance then bombs the major cities and routs Iraqi troops The blockade is still in place in 1993, justified partly by the human-rights abuses of the Saddam Hussein regime. The destruction of Iraq’s electricity, health-care, water and food-supply systems has caused hunger, disease and suffering for millions of ordinary people. Absolute poverty levels have soared and child mortality rates are four times what they were before the War. IRAQ (1979 – August 1990) Human-rights record US State Department Report, Feb 1990: ‘Human rights, as such, are not recognized in Iraq. As our report details, the ordinary Iraqi citizen knows no personal security against government violence. Disappearances, followed by secret executions, appear to be common, Torture is routine, for security offenses and ordinary crimes alike, and confessions extracted under torture are admissible in court, The regime is ruthless in its efforts to maintain absolute control over the population.’ Western response The West supports Saddam Hussein in his war with fundamentalist Iran between 1980 and 1988. The US shares CIA and Pentagon intelligence with Iraq and in 1987 US ships confront Iran directly. Other Western powers are outraged by the massacre of Kurds with chemical weapons. But the US remains aloof, exporting advanced technology with possible military use. On 1 August 1990, the day before Iraq invades Kuwait, the US approves the sale of $695 million worth of advanced data transmission devices. Sources: Amnesty International annual reports; Human Rights Watch World Report 1990; Third World Guide 93-94. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by 4Play(m): 6:47pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
RichyBlacK: Haven't I told RichyBlack to stop copying and pasting without scrutinizing his articles? You can't make claims lightly that Iran has never attacked anybody when Iran has continued to occupy Abu Musa and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs.Moreover,it has refused to allow the issue of sovereignty be considered by the ICJ. As for the US banning the sale of Air Force jets by all suppliers. . . . .did the US ban the sale of Russian jets to Iran? What kind of nonsense is that? |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 6:54pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
4 Play: Iran seized those territories because they've always been part of Iran. This is just another Western fabrication to make peaceful Iran look bad. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by 4Him1(m): 6:57pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
Richyblack, your report is tenous at best. It starts out with a title like "a two faced west" and ends up being simply another compilation of alleged US foreign policy crimes. Since when did the US become "the west"? RichyBlacK: Funny . . . Israel also siezed the westbank in a defensive war because prior to 1949 it had always been a part of Israel. Speaking from both sides of the mouth isnt an especially smart attribute. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by 4Play(m): 6:59pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
doyin13: Its more a case of warped reasoning than anything.You can't get any more a blatant example of a non-sequitur.Where the issue concerns malfeasance by the Iranian Govt,especially human rights abuses,someone in his wisdom or the lack of one,starts referring to the US as if one explains the other. How is the US to be blamed for Iran's maltreatment of Arabs,Kurds and women? Whether the debate concerns Zimbabwe,Iran or Cuba,their MO is to refer to the US.Let journalists,students and human rights activists rot in jail,we can always blame the Americans. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by Seun(m): 7:02pm On Apr 15, 2008 |
No source, no story. This topic will be unlocked when you provide a source. |
Re: Iran's Struggle For A More Equitable World Order by RichyBlacK(m): 8:13pm On Apr 16, 2008 |
The source has now been added. |
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