i think using the word desecration for what recently happened to the grave of hujr ibn adi. a companion of the prophet is incorrect, much more deceptive. Mind you, i regard myself just as a muslim and not either a sunni or shia.
What i believed happened was a group of knowledgeable brothers, seeing as the site has taken on a somewhat over the top religious significance where some make pilgrimage to, decided to remove the remains and rebury it at an unmarked location. How was the grave then descrated in the light of this noble intention?
I hereby express my desire to see this happen to every grave that has been taken as a pilgrimage destination. whether it be Rumi, Bulala, Niyass etc

It is a real shame that the grave sites of these men have been taken as places of worship.

Hujr ibn adi according to many accounts was a Taba'ein not a sahaba and he is revered by the shia.

Most muslims are 'sunni' even if they do not use the name.

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you are both pieces of confusion.

I thought the Shia are said to "hate" the companions? how come they are all of a sudden "worshipping" a companion or even a tabi'ee? you see the dishonesty of sunnis this incident exposed?

Hujr Ibn Adi (ra) was a companion of the Prophet (sa) that was killed by Muawiya.and the Shia love and respect this companion.i have all along been saying that abu bakr and umar do not represent the word "sahaba".the shia having problems with particular companions,does not translate to the shia hating "the companions" (a generalization).

as for Hujr Ibn Adi (ra),he was not a tabi'ee Mr.Tbaba.you don't have to lie,do you? go and check your favorite Ibn Kathir and other sources held in high esteem by Wahhabis (and not just by sunnis).Hujr (ra) was a companion.

and besides,there is news today that the burial site of Ja'far al-Tayyar (ra),a cousin and companion of the Prophet (sa),was set ablaze by salafists/Wahhabis in Jordan.are they doing that too to prevent people from "grave worship"?

I don't need to justify to you that we Shia do not worship graves,and we don't worship holy figures,and we only worship Allah,the Lord of the worlds.

but if at all,this incident in Syria that your sunni extremist friends perpetrated against a companion,goes to prove that the Shia do not hate "all" the companions,as sunnis like to claim to scare uninformed sunnis about the shia.

exhuming the body of a dead man (let alone a companion) to eliminate his memory and to prevent people from visiting his grave is un-Islamic.such an act would perpetuate harm in the muslim ummah.if you think the shia would fold their hands and watch takfiri salafist/Wahhabi sunnis impose their shallow minds and narrow views on other muslims,you are wrong.the shia are ready to fight till the last drop of blood to protect the heroes of islam,be they members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) or Shia companions of the Prophet (sa) loyal to Imam Ali (as).the shia from Iraq,lebanon,iran and Syria (and may be elsewhere too) have formed a brigade in Damascus (with approval from the Syrian government) to protect the shrine of Sayyida Zainab (as),grand-daughter of the Prophet (sa),against salafist/Wahhabi takfiri terrorists.and if it would take more brigades to protect the symbols of Islam and the memory of the righteous servants of Allah (swt),the shia would form them.one thing is for certain,takfiri enemies of humanity would be the ultimately losers in this world and the hereafter.

tbaba1234: It is a real shame that the grave sites of these men have been taken as places of worship.

Hujr ibn adi according to many accounts was a Taba'ein not a sahaba and he is revered by the shia.

Most muslims are 'sunni' even if they do not use the name.

the below verse in the Quran,where righteous servants of Allah (swt) approved of by Allah (swt) in the Holy Quran,erecting masjid over the graves of righteous servants of Allah (swt),must also be a "shame" in your view.to us Shia,we have no phobia about shirk because we worship Allah (swt) alone and He has protected us from that,right from Imam Ali (as),who sunnis honor with a saying of "may Allah glorify his face" because he worshipped no idol,unlike the likes of abu bakr and umar who are the all time sunni heroes.we take the Quran as our standard and we don't let emotions be the judge to determine what is shirk or shame.however when you describe an act the Quran does not condemn as "shame",then you must be the shame and not what is found in the Quran.

Holy Quran 18:21
"And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allah is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure. Their Lord is most knowing about them." Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid."

so after all building a masjid in the burial site of a mu'meen (believer in Islam,and righteous servant of Allah) is not shirk as Wahhabis want us to believe.heck,in and around the holy Ka'ba (the holiest mosque in Islam) which muslims face as prayer direction contains grvaes of holy Islamic figures.so are muslims committing "shirk" five times a day for facing the Qiblah? or does that too translate to "grave worship"? you should know that he who worships Allah (swt) with his heart,regardless of where he prays and where he faces,that person will only glorify Allah (swt) and no one else.

Is that an instruction for muslims or a story??

There are clear instructions in the authentic narrations from the messenger that prohibit this kind of thing. The major things that separate the shia from us, is two: This issue of grave worship and placing your imams above prophets..

tbaba1234: Is that an instruction for muslims or a story??

so Allah (swt) is a "story-teller" who relates stories of "shirk" about men He praises for righteousness? are you ok?

There are clear instructions in the authentic narrations from the messenger that prohibit this kind of thing. The major things that separate the shia from us, is two: This issue of grave worship and placing your imams above prophets..

the hadiths prohibiting grave worship relate to the Christians who used to worship their saints even after their death and place their pictures over the graves,and bow and pray to those pictures.the shia carry out none of these.

as for the differences you stated,you are just stirring drama.it seems every sunni would have two things to state about what make them different.i have read a sunni stating the way and designs the shia use to build mosques as a difference.as for the 12 holy Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) being superior to prophets (with the exception of Prophet Muhammad),that at this stage is too complex for you to understand.

Go and read the story again and get the lessons from it.

In adam AS time brothers and sisters were allowed to get married, will you get married to your sister?

The sharia of the messenger forbids grave worship

The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) repeatedly condemned grave-worshipping in the authentic Hadith:

“Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.” (Sahih Muslim)

“May Allah’s curse be on the Jews for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creature in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them.” (Sahih Bukhari)

There are many problematic beliefs of the shia but those two are the most problematic.

tbaba1234: Go and read the story again and get the lessons from it.

In adam AS time brothers and sisters were allowed to get married, will you get married to your sister?

The sharia of the messenger forbids grave worship

The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) repeatedly condemned grave-worshipping in the authentic Hadith:

“Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.” (Sahih Muslim)

“May Allah’s curse be on the Jews for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creature in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them.” (Sahih Bukhari)

There are many problematic beliefs of the shia but those two are the most problematic.

first you got to define what "grave worship" is,so we don't go in circles.when you define what "grave worship" is then we can easily relate it to see if the Shia are guilty of the lies the Wahhabis/salafists attribute to the shia.

we do not believe at all,that the shariah of Adam (as) permitted ince$t between brothers and sisters.whatever is forbidden,Allah (swt) will never allow any of His prophets to permit or carry it out at whatever time or period.

as earlier explained,"those who preceded us" (meaning a group among the Christians) used to place a picture of their saint on the grave and offer worship by bowing to the picture of that saint.it is clearly clarified in the second hadith above,about how they would build places of worship over the graves and "place pictures in them" to "worship".these people have made the pictures/saints/graves as objects of worship,instead of worshipping Allah (swt).the Ka'ba contains graves of pious figures,but yet muslims who go to worship in Makkah,do not worship pictures of those figures or the figures.should the Ka'ba too be demolished by Wahhabis/salafists? only Allah (swt) should be worshipped anywhere even if a holy site (be it a grave site or mosque) is where the prayer is offered (to Allah).

further on,when the Shia visit these graves,do they face these graves to pray or sit on them? NO!!! no salat by the Shia is offered while facing any grave.any slight sight of the shia honoring the memory of the heroes of islam,is outrightly rejected by Wahhabis/salafists under the cloak of lies that "shirk" is performed.

when you keep repeating over every line you write that the belief of the shia is "problematic" it only exposes your desperation in trying to convince only yourself against the shia based on your own perceived problems.what you deem as "problematic" in shia belief,are in reality problematic aspects in your reasoning faculty and comprehension ability.

LagosShia: ^

you are both pieces of confusion.

I thought the Shia are said to "hate" the companions? how come they are all of a sudden "worshipping" a companion or even a tabi'ee? you see the dishonesty of sunnis this incident exposed?

Hujr Ibn Adi (ra) was a companion of the Prophet (sa) that was killed by Muawiya.and the Shia love and respect this companion.i have all along been saying that abu bakr and umar do not represent the word "sahaba".the shia having problems with particular companions,does not translate to the shia hating "the companions" (a generalization).

as for Hujr Ibn Adi (ra),he was not a tabi'ee Mr.Tbaba.you don't have to lie,do you? go and check your favorite Ibn Kathir and other sources held in high esteem by Wahhabis (and not just by sunnis).Hujr (ra) was a companion.

and besides,there is news today that the burial site of Ja'far al-Tayyar (ra),a cousin and companion of the Prophet (sa),was set ablaze by salafists/Wahhabis in Jordan.are they doing that too to prevent people from "grave worship"?

I don't need to justify to you that we Shia do not worship graves,and we don't worship holy figures,and we only worship Allah,the Lord of the worlds.

but if at all,this incident in Syria that your sunni extremist friends perpetrated against a companion,goes to prove that the Shia do not hate "all" the companions,as sunnis like to claim to scare uninformed sunnis about the shia.

exhuming the body of a dead man (let alone a companion) to eliminate his memory and to prevent people from visiting his grave is un-Islamic.such an act would perpetuate harm in the muslim ummah.if you think the shia would fold their hands and watch takfiri salafist/Wahhabi sunnis impose their shallow minds and narrow views on other muslims,you are wrong.the shia are ready to fight till the last drop of blood to protect the heroes of islam,be they members of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) or Shia companions of the Prophet (sa) loyal to Imam Ali (as).the shia from Iraq,lebanon,iran and Syria (and may be elsewhere too) have formed a brigade in Damascus (with approval from the Syrian government) to protect the shrine of Sayyida Zainab (as),grand-daughter of the Prophet (sa),against salafist/Wahhabi takfiri terrorists.and if it would take more brigades to protect the symbols of Islam and the memory of the righteous servants of Allah (swt),the shia would form them.one thing is for certain,takfiri enemies of humanity would be the ultimately losers in this world and the hereafter.

what I stated earlier in the above (see last paragraph) can be witnessed in the below video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF9a-TwygwI

Al-Azhar condemned exhumation of the grave of Hojr-e-bin Odday in Syria by Al-Nasr terrorist group

Sheikh Mansour Mandoor, a member of Egypt’s Al-Azhar talking to Al-Alam Network condemned exhumation of the grave of the Hojr-e-bin Odday one of Prophet’s (PBUH) Sahabas in Syria by armed terrorist groups. He added that Al-Azhar’s position has always been clear regarding the respect for Prophet’s (PBUH) Sahabas. He said Al-Azhar is against such actions and consider it Haram (forbidden) especially in the case of Hojr-e-bin Odday who met the Prophet (PBUH) and his lofty position is known to all. Last Thursday armed terrorist elements belonging to Al-Nasr group affiliated to Al-Qaida accepted responsibility for exhuming the body of Hojr-e-bin Odday in Reef province of Syria and found the body the same as the day it was buried. The terrorists have taken the body with themselves to an unknown location.

http://en.shafaqna.com/shafaq/item/16411-shafaqna-exclusive-al-azhar-condemned-exhumation-of-the-grave-of-hojr-e-bin-odday-in-syria-by-al-nasr-terrorist-group.html

Iraqi Sunni Associations condemned exhumation of the grave of Hojr-e-bin Odday by Al-Nasr terrorist group

SHAFAQNA Exclusive: Iraqi Sunni Associations condemned exhumation of the grave of Hojr-e-bin Odday by Al-Nasr terrorist group

Khaled Abdulwahab Molla the Head of Iraqi Sunni Associations declared condemnation of all Iraqi Sunnis for barbaric actions of terrorist groups in Syria which led to exhumation of the grave of Hojr-e-bin Odday and asked all international organisations to support the sanctity and respect of all shrines and grave yards around the world. The statement issued by all Iraqi Sunnis said the serial attacks of the Islamic personalities by the infidels led to exhumation of the grave of Hojr-e-bin Odday, the respected Sahhabi of the Prophet (PBUH). This is one of the most indecent acts in order to insult highly respected Muslim personalities, said the statement.

The statement declared that the continuation of such deliberate acts is a sign of barbaric ways which are used by armed terrorist groups to combat Islamic teachings. The Iraqi Sunni asked all international organisations to act in order to support the sanctity and respect for all shrines and grave yards around the world. According to Kol-ol Iraq News Association, the Iraqi Sunnis warned Muslims to be aware of attacks by the Takfiri groups against the Islamic civilisation and culture and asked all Muslims to unite in order to defend Islam by opposing these groups.

http://en.shafaqna.com/shafaq/item/16412-shafaqna-exclusive-iraqi-sunni-associations-condemned-exhumation-of-the-grave-of-hojr-e-bin-odday-by-al-nasr-terrorist-group.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6P0T_gKbvo