The matrix and belief in God.
The matrix is a film about humans fighting robots who now control the world. The robots have most humans in a coma-like state in capsules from which they (the robots) suck energy from. In short, the robots use unconscious humans as an energy source. The humans in this coma are fed a delusion that they are in the real word and living a normal life. The few humans who are not in the hands of the robots are in an undergorund city called Zion.

These few humans in Zion can enter this false "real world" that the robots feed the capsuled humans in a state of coma. The humans in Zion know that the "real world" is fake but the humans in a coma believe that it is real. Only a few humans in the state of a coma come to realise that they are in a fake world. Even at that, some of the capsuled humans in a coma that realise that they are in a fake world still prefer to live in a delusion because they cant handle the reality.

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There are two ways to relate this to a belief in God;


1) The matrix movie asks very deep philosophical questions-

"how do you know that you are in the real world?"

"how are you sure that you are not just a brain in some lab forced to simulate reality?"

"how are you sure that you truly exist?"



These questions are problematic for theism or a belief in god because it is not possible to know for sure that you arent a cyborg or organic matter in some lab that is programmed to simulate this reality that we call life. If it is possible that everything in this world is a delusion, then it is possible that God is a delusion. If there is no certainty about living in this world then one can not be certain that there is a God.

Seriously, how do you go about proving that this reality is not just an illusion and we are all lab rats in the lab of aliens or robots or robot aliens? That is the beauty of the matrix- one can not step outside his or her mind to assess reality. We are imprisoned in our minds and if someone or something programmed our minds before we were conscious, there is hardly any way we would know that we are just a programmed simulation. There is no certainty and therefore no way one can be certain that there is a god.


Now people can argue that it was God who programmed this illusion of reality but then, the matrix highlights another problem with God;
-a physical process must always come from another physical process. Humans created robots and robots created the simulation. life comes from life. To say that we came from a supernatural being is contrary to commonsense, logic and evidence. This is because life comes from life as we have constantly observed here on earth. A programmer or creator will always share certain limitations and similarities with his creations. God must have some physical properties or limitations if he created physical beings. Unfortuantely, most religious gods do not have a shred of physicality to them.




2) Just like most deluded people in a coma in the matrix, most people suffer from this God delusion. Just like there are a few humans who live in Zion outside the delusion created by robots, there are a few atheists/agnostics who live outside the God delusion.

Just like there are some people who learned that they are in a computer simulation but dont want to face reality that they are in a simulation, there are some people who know that there is no valid reason to believe that there is a god but they dont want to accept the reality.

LB u knw say your head no correct??.....

ijawkid: LB u knw say your head no correct??.....

Stop derailing because you dont understand.........

@Logicboy, you might be interested in looking up the philosopher Nick Bostrom and The Simulation Hypothesis



By the way, it is really amusing to me how you could draw the parallels you drew in your argument.

Mr anony: @Logicboy, you might be interested in looking up the philosopher Nick Bostrom and The Simulation Hypothesis

Will do that! I will check it out because I know that you have some good philosophy stuff.

Anyway, please comment on your thoughts about the op

Logicboy03:
Will do that! I will check it out because I know that you have some good philosophy stuff.

Anyway, please comment on your thoughts about the op

There's nothing really to comment other than the Matrix as an analogy actually makes a better case for theism than it does for atheism. I find it funny you would try to draw the parallels you drew.

Mr anony:
There's nothing really to comment other than the Matrix as an analogy actually makes a better case for theism than it does for atheism. I find it funny you would try to draw the parallels you drew.

That is what this thread is for....explain why the matrix philosophy is more for theism.....why?

o boy, dis is 2 far-fetched.

Logicboy03:
That is what this thread is for....explain why the matrix philosophy is more for theism.....why?

Oh that's very simple.

Let's assume that you and I were living in the matrix and you were trying to convince me that this universe is not all there is and there is a place outside the universe called Zion where our true selves live. What if you told me of robots that control our minds yet we cannot see or touch them. Should I believe you? Or would I call you deluded?

Mr anony:
Oh that's very simple.

Let's assume that you and I were living in the matrix and you were trying to convince me that this universe is not all there is and there is a place outside the universe called Zion where our true selves live. What if you told me of robots that control our minds yet we cannot see or touch them. Should I believe you? Or would I call you deluded?

Fail



The robots in the matrix were very physical. Neo was shown physical proof. Try again



However, this is a hypothetical situation. I do not believe that we are controlled by robots. The point is that we can not disprove that we are humans in capsules that are fed delusions by robots to believe that we are in the real world

olire: o boy, dis is 2 far-fetched.

Calm down.....it is a hypothetical situation. This is not scientology babble

funny and interesting post

Shawnmayor: funny and interesting post

Is that all?

Logicboy03:
However, this is a hypothetical situation. I do not believe that we are controlled by robots. The point is that we can not disprove that we are humans in capsules that are fed delusions by robots to believe that we are in the real world

Lb, I don't understand.

Reyginus: Lb, I don't understand.

You again?


What is hard there?

-There is no way to be certain that you are not living in a delusion and your real body is in a machine capsule feeding you the delusions straight into you brain.....

-There is no certainty in reality and so how can one have a belief in god with 100% certainty?

Logicboy03:


Fail



The robots in the matrix were very physical. Neo was shown physical proof. Try again



However, this is a hypothetical situation. I do not believe that we are controlled by robots. The point is that we can not disprove that we are humans in capsules that are fed delusions by robots to believe that we are in the real world

Lol, oh well, some things never change. I won't drag a long argument with you. My point has been made here. Check out Nick Bostrom when you have time.

Mr anony:
Lol, oh well, some things never change. I won't drag a long argument with you. My point has been made here. Check out Nick Bostrom when you have time.

Have checked it out.


By the way, I know you dont have any chance to spin any counterarguments here

Logicboy03:


You again?


What is hard there?

-There is no way to be certain that you are not living in a delusion and your real body is in a machine capsule feeding you the delusions straight into you brain.....

-There is no certainty in reality and so how can one have a belief in god with 100% certainty?

I don't think I get the point you're trying to pass across. If there is no way to be certain, so what?

Reyginus: I don't think I get the point you're trying to pass across. If there is no way to be certain, so what?

I have tried....some brain juice is needed for you

Logicboy03:


I have tried....some brain juice is needed for you

What brand of brain juice do you recommend?

Reyginus: What brand of brain juice do you recommend?

ganja

Logicboy03:


You again?


What is hard there?

-There is no way to be certain that you are not living in a delusion and your real body is in a machine capsule feeding you the delusions straight into you brain.....

-There is no certainty in reality and so how can one have a belief in god with 100% certainty?

Thank God its a movie.........

As you can see there is certainty in reality and so God exists.....just take this thread to the dust bin..........

Logicboy03:


ganja

Their is none like.
But on a serious note, what exactly are you about? Let's get serious.

Logicboy03: Have checked it out.


By the way, I know you dont have any chance to spin any counterarguments here

Lol nah, I just can't be bothered

If this world is a delusion, then you can take solace in the fact that at death, you become free from this delusion. Just try to live a good life while you are stuck in this delusion.

logicboy once again kills logic. A null hypothesis (such as the one you trumpet) is assumed proven (until disproven) due to inference from demonstrated facts. Your inference is based on fictional work (The Matrix trilogy). Stop killing logic.

Uyi Iredia: logicboy once again kills logic. A null hypothesis (such as the one you trumpet) is assumed proven (until disproven) due to inference from demonstrated facts. Your inference is based on fictional work (The Matrix trilogy). Stop killing logic.

In trying to sound smart, you have actually made the most foolish comment on this thread. Stop throwing words and terminology that you dont understand to sound smart.


The matrix only helps to explain a point;

YOU CAN NOT VERIFY REALITY OUTSIDE YOUR MIND. YOUR PERCEPTION OF REALITY IS BASED ON YOUR MIND.

See the meathead ! State how it is foolish.

Logicboy03:


In trying to sound smart, you have actually made the most foolish comment on this thread. Stop throwing words and terminology that you dont understand to sound smart.


The matrix only helps to explain a point;

YOU CAN NOT VERIFY REALITY OUTSIDE YOUR MIND. YOUR PERCEPTION OF REALITY IS BASED ON YOUR MIND.

The perception of reality is indeed based on the mind. You claim that we cannot disprove we are in a simulated reality. What are the FACTS which support that ?

Uyi Iredia: See the meathead ! State how it is foolish.



The perception of reality is indeed based on the mind. You claim that we cannot disprove we are in a simulated reality. What are the FACTS which support that ?

If you are still asking this question by now, you are not intelligent enough to handle the discourse

Even in the film Neo witnessed anomalies which must have convinced him of Morpheus' claims. He saw trinity leap an otherwise impossible distance, he saw her disappear before atrailer smashed the booth she was in to go back to the real world, the Smiths came after him and 'miraculously' took away his speech ability then inserted a tracer which was deactivated. Facts within the movie to convince Neo. This olodo called logicfoolishboy is now using fiction to try and convince us we are in a matrix.

foolishboy, did you hear me ? Olodo !

Did Morpheus use film to make an analogy to Neo in the Matrix or didn't Neo see actual miracles like the ones I've mentioned not to talk of the matrix simulations of the humans.

Get a life dude !

Uyi Iredia: Even in the film Neo witnessed anomalies which must have convinced him of Morpheus' claims. He saw trinity leap an otherwise impossible distance, he saw her disappear before atrailer smashed the booth she was in to go back to the real world, the Smiths came after him and 'miraculously' took away his speech ability then inserted a tracer which was deactivated. Facts within the movie to convince Neo. This olodo called logicfoolishboy is now using fiction to try and convince us we are in a matrix.

foolishboy, did you hear me ? Olodo !

Did Morpheus use film to make an analogy to Neo in the Matrix or didn't Neo see actual miracles like the ones I've mentioned not to talk of the matrix simulations of the humans.

Get a life dude !

Is this guy foolish or what?



Neo couldnt explain the anomalies himself. Just as we humans cant explain de ja vu. Neo would never have left the simulated world on his own

You can not perceive reality outside your mind. So when you see something you cant explain, you are going to use the little you know to explain it........