@Sly
Well this incident happened a month ago in front of 135 passengers yet we have only had a tickle of information through which is strange. Where are the other accounts? There was one dodgy account by some bloke called Dion or other on the travel section but then again this person claims that BA delivered a Deportee stone cold dead to Abuja just a week before, yet where are the news reports on that?

I really do think Omotade said more than he is admitting and I suppose we will find out in the court case if there is once ot if this case escalates any further than the farce it is already.

Sky Blue:

@Kobo, i better understood where you were coming from with you second to last post but you honestly need to stop using Naomi Cambell. Why on earth did everyone tell her to shut up? Because she assaulted staff. From what this guy has said even though it is one part of the story, did he assault anyone? How on earth does Naomi Campbell who has been in trouble a few times and even been to court about assaulting people compare with someone enquiring and then being thrown off? I really don't think it helps your argument at all.

I don’t understand why you continue to try to push her case aside. Is she not human even though she did wrong and BA confirmed it as well as those around and she herself?? It actually works for this case cause she is black and English, just as the man, omotade is black and English. Only problem is, we have continued to hear his side of the story but have yet to hear the other side of the story. So I believe it applies.

Also, you might be guilty of what you accused me of (i.e trying to read your mind). Did i ever say it was a race issue? Really? When did i say such? I said i was intrigued because it seemed that you found the very thought that it might be a race issue simply impossible and you further explained yourself. I am not trying to read your mind but trying to understand what you are trying to say or where you are coming from after all we are having what i hope is a civil discussion without any insults because i don't do that. I also said i agree about not playing the race card at every turn.

Well here is what I see you doing in your posts so far. You confirm that there is no evidence that this is in any way racially motivated then you ask me for instances of the same happening to white English people ( race implied). You then follow it with racial analogies. Sort of like we are debating Lions and the rat Family here. We both agree that there is no evidence that Lions are of the rat family but you continue to bring up rat family in the whole, don’t you think that implies you still are somewhat still pushing the Lions maybe in the rat Family idea??

The thing is that people perceive it as more than that, it is about citizenry. Whenever a british citizen is in trouble in another country you hear it on the news. A couple of english students died in a bus crash in South America and it was on the news. Were they the only ones that died? But because they were british citzens there was that feeling of a government that cared about them and more importantly a government that looks after the interest of its citizenry. There are many more examples of such and you know it. I raise this issue because you were talking about earning respect. So did these people earn respect by virtue of just being born british?

OMOTADE IS A BRITISH CITIZEN IN BRITAIN, according to most all the posts I have read on this!!

The point i am trying to make is that western countries do not necessarily earn respect like the chinese and co have done but there is a feeling of, I am british and respect is demanded so they do demand respect don't they? I actually rather we worked and stopped focusing so much on others but worked to develop ourselves and make ourselves respectable as a nation, but don't speak as if western countries don't demand respect because they do.

I disagree, I believe western countries have spent so much time earning the respect of the rest of the world and that is why even with so many cases where the world does not agree with them on issues, the average resident of planet earth still has great respect for them. we now see the same sort of respect being given the Chinese and the Indians cause they have shown they deserve it, from achievements both at home and abroad. Before now, it was not enough that indians were good in many fields outside of their homeland. Same was the case for the chinese. As soon as they realized this and started building their homeland as well, things changed.

In my opinion, this continued cries of racism is beginning to not tearing apart those in the black community here but also becoming a big problem. I remember the feminist movement and how at first it was about imposing on the men and the rest of society. Then it started to backfire as companies made it harder for women to come in so they did not have to deal with law suits. People were forced to cover up their anti-feminism ideas and before you knew it, more and more crimes against women outside of places where companies and governments can legislate against these things. But fortunately, women got smart and learned they did not necessarily need more laws but needed to prove that they were equal. It is still the case that many women do not get paid as much as their male counterparts but you rarely see people crying inequality but you see more and more of them move to create a more condusive atmosphere for women to be treated more equally and it has worked tremendously.

So you are saying that this person was not respectable enough or he did not earn enough respect Again, when did i use the term white? I used the term english to push forward an idea of citizenry. Do you know wether the man is only english or he has dual nationality? I read thesame piece and got the idea the man probably has very strong ties to Nigeria, i mean the name alone. You keep using Naomi Cambell and i keep saying yes they are both black and have strong ties to England but we can see why Naomi Cambell was banned and in this case from what this guy has said, people don't believe he did anything to warrant this treatment, is that so hard to see?? Really??
If you are finding it hard to understand where i am coming from then this is it simply. I am not saying this is a racism (more in terms of nationality) issue because we do not have enough information and i am not saying we should pull out the race card at every turn. I am however aknowledging that such is quite possible and not improbable especially with the current condition in England as to not shoot people down (which you seem to do) who might genuinely from experience believe discrimination might have something to do with it. I do really believe i might be repeating myself over and over again.

Sky Blue:

So you are saying that this person was not respectable enough or he did not earn enough respect Again, when did i use the term white? I used the term english to push forward an idea of citizenry. Do you know wether the man is only english or he has dual nationality? I read the same piece and got the idea the man probably has very strong ties to Nigeria, i mean the name alone.

I don’t know how you can sum that the man has strong ties to Nigeria cause of his last name. We might as well assume that everyone with a Nigerian last name has strong ties to Nigeria. Dual or not, the man is a British Citizen. Even Naomi Campbell is one ( if I am not mistaken). She is actually an islander who is now a British Citizen.

You keep using Naomi Cambell and i keep saying yes they are both black and have strong ties to England but we can see why Naomi Cambell was banned and in this case from what this guy has said, people don't believe he did anything to warrant this treatment, is that so hard to see?? Really??

Should we basically judge this case wholly on just what this man has said?? Cause I get the feeling you almost seem to believe he has said it all and so there can not be more. Naomi’s story I keep using and in her case we all judge her guilty cause WE HAVE HEARD THE STORY FROM BOTH SIDES. I keep stressing that over and over here. BOTH SIDES are needed here. We have only one side. We continue to have only ONE SIDE. That is not ENOUGH.

If you are finding it hard to understand where i am coming from then this is it simply. I am not saying this is a racism (more in terms of nationality) issue because we do not have enough information and i am not saying we should pull out the race card at every turn. I am however acknowledging that such is quite possible and not improbable especially with the current condition in England as to not shoot people down (which you seem to do) who might genuinely from experience believe discrimination might have something to do with it. I do really believe i might be repeating myself over and over again.

Even if you want to argue for citizenship being the problem. Fact remains, you do not have evidence to support this claim as it is clear that this man is an IT specialist in BRITAIN who happens to be a BRITISH CITIZEN. So Unless he was waving his Nigerian Passport in the face of the Police, I am not sure how you could make such as case as the one you are trying to make with this either. Pulling out the citizenship card is not going to work cause the man himself did not see fit to pull that one but went straight to race. There are millions of Nigerians who travel to Nigeria using their Nigerian passports and have had no such treatment on the same airline. Millions more Africans do same with their passports each year on the same airline. Is BA in this case singling out Nigerians?? We can go on a “POSSIBLE AND PROBABLE” spree all we want but at the end of the day, we need to come down from the clouds and face what is real. There has to be some evidence, circumstantial in the least to support such claims. We can not go around throwing around the Race Card or Citizenship card willy nilly just cause we know of a few cases that have been as a result of racial prejudice or some other form of discrimination.

Yes both sides of the story are needed and i really don't remember Naomi Cambell ever giving her side of the story (feel free to prove me wrong) because she knows what she did and has done one quite a few occasions of note when she loses her temper. Was he using a Nigerian passport? The bottom line is we don't have enough information (BA did not see it fit to turn up to any summons and have still not given their side of the story even with so much intervention). I have asked for more info in my previous posts but i don't seem to remember you doing thesame and are you not then jumping to conclusions that he conducted himself in a manner that might have warranted this treatment as your posts seem to propose? We seem to be going around in circles (i do feel like i am anyway) without me further understanding where you are coming from or seeing what you are trying to show so i will just leave this. Have a nice day and God bless.

Sky Blue:

Yes both sides of the story are needed and i really don't remember Naomi Cambell ever giving her side of the story (feel free to prove me wrong) because she knows what she did and has done one quite a few occasions of note when she loses her temper. Was he using a Nigerian passport?

Yes, Naomi tried to tell her story claiming it was all racially motivated but was booed and told to shut up. She actually had plans to sue but I am not sure if she will be sane to pursue it.

Apparently, this man did not see his passport as being important to this case at all so I suggest we stop trying to make it what the man himself does not see fit to consider it being about. For all we know, he may have actually used a British passport and so his reason for playing the race card as in his being black.

The bottom line is we don't have enough information (BA did not see it fit to turn up to any summons and have still not given their side of the story even with so much intervention). I have asked for more info in my previous posts but i don't seem to remember you doing the same and are you not then jumping to conclusions that he conducted himself in a manner that might have warranted this treatment as your posts seem to propose?

All I have proposed so far is that this be handled as a customer service issue and not a race issue since the man himself fails to provide substantial evidence to support his claim that this was all racially motivated, something even you agree with. So what is wrong with my proposing this considering the limited evidence we have now Just cause BA has yet to say anything does not mean BA is guilty.

We seem to be going around in circles (i do feel like i am anyway) without me further understanding where you are coming from or seeing what you are trying to show so i will just leave this. Have a nice day and God bless.

Here is an angle no one seems to be considering in this case. BA is just a carrier and so even though it’s plane is being used to transport a deportee, BA has no say in how the law handles it’s business as I believe they are subject to the same sort of laws, the average passenger is too. If these policemen saw fit to take the passenger off the plane for obstruction of justice ( whatever interpretation that applies in that case), then it is the police officers and not BA that did that. We have not actually focused some attention on investigating the rules and laws that may have been broken here, if any, but we see people already judging BA based on the story of one man and just one man. Does that scream fair judgment to you We did not even consider the country the deportee is actually being transported from. Information which we are not supplied with here. Seriously, there are so many holes in this that we have yet to figure and so, I still remain that if he can not provide evidence for race, he should pursue customer service and fight his fight there instead of dragging a whole nation into a situation that we know little of at the moment.

I say we try be more objective in our dealings with the world than continue being subjective and creating more problems than we need. Again, this is fast working against us. We already see the result of these sort of experiements out here in the USA where a whole people are rarely taken seriously while others are respected even under the same.

Kobo, have you called or contacted NCADC?

BTW, it is not and has never been a criminal to complain about the way an individual is being treated. Not in the UK anyway. Maybe it's an offence to speak out against brutality in America, I'll be suprised if it is.

As much as I agree with you that there is no proof that this is a racially motivated incident, I have witnessed Britons protesting against deportations on flights and no such action has ever been taken against them.

Imagine being told to prove that such an amout of money is not the proceed of crime. The police have searched me before and found a few thousands of pounds on me without asking me to prove that it is not the proceed of crime. It's absolutely nonsensical

Blatant:

Kobo, have you called or contacted NCADC?

BTW, it is not and has never been a criminal to complain about the way an individual is being treated. Not in the UK anyway. Maybe it's an offence to speak out against brutality in America, I'll be suprised if it is

1) This has absolutely nothing to do with brutality of any kind.

2) It has nothing to do with how someone is actually being treated.

If you spent time reading and listening to the video the Omotade man himself put out, you would understand that the man was not being mistreated but was screaming to get attention, like a brat and this man said he felt to tell the police what to do or not do. What we have is his side of the story and by the way, the NCADC have not confirmed your story that it is ok to confront the police men on planes when it comes to the issue of deportation. So, can you please help with what you know that they do not seem willing to reveal then??

I have not listened to the man's video but from all I've read so far, the man protested about the treatment of a fellow Nigerian (who was being deported) on a flight.

BTW, did all the other passengers also fight the police?

I cant give you any information with regards to protests when people are being deported. You may be fortunate enough to witness one of such sometime. And what about being told to prove that his money is not 'proceeds of crime'? It sounds like the NPF telling you to produce the reciept for the watch you have on your wrist

Blatant:

I have not listened to the man's video but from all I've read so far, the man protested about the treatment of a fellow Nigerian (who was being deported) on a flight.

BTW, did all the other passengers also fight the police?

I can't give you any information with regards to protests when people are being deported. You may be fortunate enough to witness one of such sometime. And what about being told to prove that his money is not 'proceeds of crime'? It sounds like the NPF telling you to produce the reciept for the watch you have on your wrist

Since you have read the reports by the man himself. Here is a question for you. What was the particular treatment he protested against What did he see the policemen ACTUALLY doing to the deportee that he felt was wrong and he needed to protest against?

We are working off the story of one man here. He has successfully sent his own side of the story far and wide but we still need to hear from other sides of the argument. The Money that was taken from him, I don't know, was that actually BA doing that or the police

Kobojunkie:

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Since you have read the reports by the man himself. Here is a question for you. What was the particular treatment he protested against What did he see the policemen ACTUALLY doing to the deportee that he felt was wrong and he needed to protest against?

We are working off the story of one man here. He has successfully sent his own side of the story far and wide but we still need to hear from other sides of the argument. The Money that was taken from him, I don't know, was that actually BA doing that or the police

As I have stated earlier, my reactions and sentiments are based on what I have read. If BA has a contrary story, I hope they present it at some point and then perhaps they will find something to make me change my opinion. What about all the other people who were taken off the flight?

Blatant:

As I have stated earlier, my reactions and sentiments are based on what I have read. If BA has a contrary story, I hope they present it at some point and then perhaps they will find something to make me change my opinion. What about all the other people who were taken off the flight?

For the very fact that

1) it is not against BA policy for pilot to order passengers off the plane, should he feel there was need for such as move

2) Not all the passengers that were taken off the plane were Nigerians, 

one still can not argue for race being the reason for his ordering them off the plane. 

Considering the story the man continues to tell, it seems clear by now that he did not see the policemen ACTUALLY mistreating the passenger. I posted a link earlier to a video by the same man and if you read his video and the many posts online about this from his side, he does not indicate that the man was being pummelled or even being harrassed in any way. However it is clear the man was screaming, which, as we know could also simply his way of trying to get attention.

I respect the way people on this thread have put their opinions across, very intelligently and matured. I have always wondered why people use abusive and disrespectful language when putting their message across. Kobojunkie I like the way you have handled yourself and stuck to your opinion. Well done peops.

Finally, the BA has released it's own statement and side of the story and as it turns out. What we may have heard was the one side of the story and not all of what happened. If this goes to court, we may definitely get more.


Now can we please have someone tell omotade to come tell us if BA is lying in this case?? And why he decided to sue BA instead of the police for the treatment he got??

[size=13pt]Nigeria: Why We Offloaded Passengers - British Airways[/size]

http://allafrica.com/stories/200805020026.html


British Airways, yesterday, rationalised the offloading of Nigerian passengers on board BA75 flight to Lagos last month.

It said the decision was taken in consultation with the United Kingdom Police in order to ensure safety of the said aircraft and passengers.

In a statement made available to THISDAY, the airline said the "disruption" on board the aircraft required the presence of policemen to contain the situation which it said was regretable.

"We regret the upset that the events onboard the BA75 to Lagos on 27th March have caused in Nigeria. We have made it clear that the decision to offload passengers was made in consultation with and on the advice of the UK police, and the sole aim of this decision was to ensure the safety of our passengers, aircraft and crew.

"Offloading passengers is not a decision that is taken lightly and is a rare occurrence. However the disturbance on board the BA75 service to Lagos on Thursday 27th March was a very serious incident which required the presence of 20 uniformed police officers to regain control of the situation" the statement said.

It further noted that "Given the level of disruption on board the plane as it was preparing to depart, it was not possible to pinpoint which passengers were the most involved.[size=13pt] In addition our crew were subjected to both verbal abuse and physical assault which, in the confined space of an aircraft, can be a particularly serious issue.[/size] Hence the police decided, with the agreement of the Captain, that it would be unwise to let all the passengers travel on the aircraft as their behaviour could pose a safety risk".

The statement said that "Of the 133 passengers offloaded following the disturbance 64 re-boarded the flight before take-off. [size=13pt]Those offloaded were of various nationalities including British & American passengers. [/size] There was also a mix of nationalities among those who flew including Nigerian passengers".

On the arrest of one of the passengers, the airline stated that[b] [size=13pt]"The arrest and detention of one of the passengers involved was a police decision and is not something that British Airways can comment on.[/size][/b]

[size=13pt]The remaining offloaded passengers were offered overnight accommodation where appropriate and were rebooked on alternative flights".[/size]

British Airways has a long and proud history of serving Nigeria and its people.

For over 70 years the Airline has flown from the UK to Nigeria, connecting the country to the rest of the world. We are working with the Nigerian government to ensure we continue to provide our Nigerian passengers with the high standard of customer service British Airways is renowned for", it said.

"Thought you might want to read this".


Court Orders British Airways To Pay N2m Compensation To Nigerian
. As Another Sues For Being Handcuffed On Board

By Ibe Uwaleke and Cornelius Onuoha

THIS is not the best of times for British Airways as its Nigerian passengers are fighting back either to recover their lost luggages or to enforce their fundamental human rights against maltreatment or negligence by the airline.

For instance, a Federal High Court, Lagos has ordered the airline to pay £9, 000 to a Nigerian passenger, Mr. Emeka Ngige (SAN), being value of the contents of his luggage lost in transit aboard the airways while returning to Lagos from London.

This garnishee order was made by Justice Ibrahim Auta while dismissing the application brought by British Airways asking the court to stay the execution of the court's earlier judgement made in June 26, 2007 by Justice Oyindamola Olomojobi directing the airline to pay �9,000 to Ngige as judgement sum for the value of the contents of his suitcase lost by officials of the airline.

By this order, the airline is ordered to go and respect the Nigerian laws by complying with the judgement of a Federal High Court of Nigeria, which has directed it to pay the judgement sum to the Nigerian passenger for negligence.

In another development, a Nigerian, Ayo Omotade suing along with the President of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA) Mr. Olisa Agbokoba (SAN) and the association, has brought a suit against the airline to enforce his fundamental human right for being beaten, arrested, handcuffed and detained for several hours by the British Police aboard the airline.

His offence, according to his affidavit, was that he pleaded with the colonial police officers not to kill another Nigerian who was screaming in agony on board the aircraft because he was being deported.

The deportee, according to Omotade, was being tormented as his captors who were almost suffocating him to death in manacles chained him down.

His wailings, he further complained, attracted sympathy from him and other passengers prompting him to question the treatment being meted to the deportee.

Consequently he said, he was dragged from the aircraft by the officers and made to sit on the floor at the airport terminal after being handcuffed and slammed on the wall.

According to him, as stated in his affidavit, he was prevented from travelling with the aircraft, which he had already boarded to attend his brother's wedding.

No date has been fixed by the court to hear this matter.

In that same judgment made by Justice Olomojobi, she also ordered BA (British Airways) to pay the sum of N10, 000 to Ngige to offset the inconveniences he suffered and the cost of prosecuting the case against the airline.

The claimant (Ngige) in the suit filed in 1999 had contended that he on September 19, 1998 bought an air ticket from Lagos to London and back but on arrival back to Lagos from London on board the airline's flight No. BA2075, he could not find one of his three suitcases.

The issue of the missing suitcase, he further claimed was raised by him with the staff of the airline who promised him the luggage would arrive the following day as he was asked to fill a form in which he described the contents of the luggage to enable them track the luggage.

The suit, according to Ngige, was instituted when the airline refused to release the luggage to him and wilfully withheld the luggage and instead kept advising him to collect a compensation to which he will be paid $120 dollars instead of £9,000 pounds said to be the actual value of the items in his luggage.

In the suit, he said, he sought a court order directing BA to deliver the suitcase with its contents or in the alternative, pay the sum of £9,000 being the rough estimate of the value of the said suitcase and its contents and any other sum of money as may be determined by the court as being reasonable and fair value of the inconveniences suffered by him.

In his defence, British Airways called no witness but argued that it took all necessary steps to locate the plaintiff luggage but to no avail.


http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/news/article04//indexn2_html?pdate=030508&ptitle=Court%20Orders%20British%20Airways%20To%20Pay%20N2m%20Compensation%20To%20Nigerian

Now the Nigerian Bar Association is trying to turn this into a case of a Nigerian who lost his luggage on BA?? LMAO!!!!! suddenly it is no more about racism against Nigerians but BA loosing Nigerian owned luggage?? Kai!!

so you are the mouthpiece of westerners.

Why don't you let the courts decide on the case before you start trying to laugh at people taking court action? you must be so knowledgeable about the law that you know so much more than the NBA

Whatever drives you, you need to calm down a little

anyway, next time terrorists or suicide bombers want to hijack a BA flight, all they have to do is look out for a diversion like this one, then make their move.

While Nigerians and BA officials are slugging it out over the level of animosity in someone's tone, the ever ready terrorists can seize the moment since all eyes and attention will be on the BA/Nigeria duel.

You mean the court going after BA for lost luggage is not what the court decided  I have to see things your way huhLMAO!!! FLY BA and stop the Racial and Hate insanity in the minds of People who are not willing to think Past their Skin Color for a change!!

Stop raising issues that make no sense so those who have LEGIT complaints can have their day in court and not be ridiculed cause of the mistakes of others before them.

Kobojunkie:

You mean the court going after BA for lost luggage is not what the court decided  I have to see things your way huhLMAO!!! FLY BA and stop the Racial and Hate insanity in the minds of People who are not willing to think Past their Skin Color for a change!!

Stop raising issues that make no sense so those who have LEGIT complaints can have their day in court and not be ridiculed cause of the mistakes of others before them.

so what's your idea of a legit complaint?

I thought you feel Nigerians always cry wolf when they have no right to do so.

Keep thinking, maybe one day soon, you will get past your santimonous self and actually figure out what others actually say as is injecting of continuing to inject your issues into every statement. Come to think of it, why not learn to ignore?? Or is that too much for you "Holier than thou" Nigerians to do??

Kobojunkie:

Keep thinking, maybe one day soon, you will get past your santimonous self and actually figure out what others actually say as is injecting of continuing to inject your issues into every statement. Come to think of it, why not learn to ignore?? Or is that too much for you "Holier than thou" Nigerians to do??

Just answer the question if that's possible.

What, to you, would be a legitimate complaint?

Since you're clearly of the opinion that all Nigerians must do is suffer and continue smiling.

if british airways action was carried out by say the defunct Nigerian airways , would we boycott it too for our so called brother ?

sosoliso airlines crashed and people died, people still flew with them. so in other words it is okay for us to Poo on each other within nigeria but not okay for people of the western world to Poo. on us?

my point is and has always been that this british airways affair is a consequence of an underlying problem that should be addressed

vicade:

if british airways action was carried out by say the defunct Nigerian airways , would we boycott it too for our so called brother ?

sosoliso airlines crashed and people died, people still flew with them. so in other words it is okay for us to Poo on each other within nigeria but not okay for people of the western world to Poo. on us?

my point is and has always been that this british airways affair is a consequence of an underlying problem that should be addressed

You are comparing apples and oranges here.

There are millions of Nigerians living in diaspora around the world. Internal affairs is different from External affairs and should not be addressed the same way. That's why there are different ministries for them.

Nigerians living abroad are subject to the laws of the country they live in, and what many of you are advocating here is for Nigerians abroad to be treated like second class citizens just because they're Nigerian and things are handled differently back home. What kind of logic is that?

In that case, should Nigerians resident abroad also have their water switched off, electricity delivered sporadically, and the roads to their homes and workplaces bombed full of potholes just because a lot of places in Nigeria operate that way? Should stores refuse to sell them washing machines and similar products since in Nigeria it's more common to wash clothes manually and hang them out to dry?



Most of them are paying taxes just like everyone else in their countries of residence, and struggling hard to feed their families as well as send money home to help others.

vicade:

if british airways action was carried out by say the defunct Nigerian airways , would we boycott it too for our so called brother ?

Considering it is well known that there was alway commotion at the airport related to that airline on a daily basis, yet people continued to fly the now defunct Nigerian Airways with so many not even batting an eyelid, I think you should maybe do your research before  you choose your examples next time.

sosoliso airlines crashed and people died, people still flew with them. so in other words it is okay for us to Poo on each other within nigeria but not okay for people of the western world to Poo. on us?

Cars crash and people die, I don't see people boycotting cars.

my point is and has always been that this british airways affair is a consequence of an underlying problem that should be addressed

What exactly is this underlying affair?? People's need to tag everything they can with the RACE CARD even when evidence point to the contrary Or people's continued assumption that ALL GOOD NIGERIANS must think gloom and doom as they do, even when logic says it should not be so This is not a call for the west to maltreat. This is a case that is no different from cases that you see all over the world daily but is being blown way out of proportion by people with personal issues and being made a National issue when evidence upon evidence point to it being otherwise. Those who continue to make it a National issue do not consider that there are many amongst their own who do not see it the way they do and would appreciate it if we would handle issues more maturedly and in more civilized manner so those who actually have serious complaints with evidence to back up their claims can get a fair hearing in the future.

another term paper

tpia:

You are comparing apples and oranges here.

There are millions of Nigerians living in diaspora around the world. Internal affairs is different from External affairs and should not be addressed the same way. That's why there are different ministries for them.

Nigerians living abroad are subject to the laws of the country they live in, and what many of you are advocating here is for Nigerians abroad to be treated like second class citizens just because they're Nigerian and things are handled differently back home. What kind of logic is that?

In that case, should Nigerians resident abroad also have their water switched off, electricity delivered sporadically, and the roads to their homes and workplaces bombed full of potholes just because a lot of places in Nigeria operate that way? Should stores refuse to sell them washing machines and similar products since in Nigeria it's more common to wash clothes manually and hang them out to dry?



Most of them are paying taxes just like everyone else in their countries of residence, and struggling hard to feed their families as well as send money home to help others.

internal or external, a nigerian is a nigerian. first, let us consider how many nigerians get deported every year
how many nigerians are living illegally in the u.k.
if the man was not deported, will our so called brother be maltreated
British airways claimed that the decision was taking in conjuction with a directive from british police of scotland yard conveyed to the pilot.our so called brother was manhandled by the police not wholly  by the directive of the british airways. so why dont we petition the british government too for maltreatment

p.s. if you want to know what i am saying try and google  THE WORD nigeria in the google bar everyday and see the kind of latest news that appear. That is the way we are percieved in the western world. there are some things you just have to deal with. it is like racism:RACISM IS VERY MUCH ALIVE BUT IS JUST BEING CONCEALED.

I know Kobojunkie isnt calling himself a GOOD NIGERIAN.

hehehe.

vicade:

internal or external, a nigerian is a nigerian. first, let us consider how many nigerians get deported every year
how many nigerians are living illegally in the u.k.
if the man was not deported, will our so called brother be maltreated

British airways claimed that the decision was taking in conjuction with a directive from british police of scotland yard conveyed to the pilot.our so called brother was manhandled by the police not wholly by the directive of the british airways. so why don't we petition the british government too for maltreatment

p.s. if you want to know what i am saying try and google THE WORD nigeria in the google bar everyday and see the kind of latest news that appear. That is the way we are percieved in the western world. there are some things you just have to deal with. it is like racism:RACISM IS VERY MUCH ALIVE BUT IS JUST BEING CONCEALED.

tell them, tell them oooo!!!! They feel it is the same AGBERO justice that we continue to throw around in Nigeria that should also apply outside of Nigeria.

Kobojunkie:

Considering it is well known that there was alway commotion at the airport related to that airline on a daily basis, yet people continued to fly the now defunct Nigerian Airways with so many not even batting an eyelid, I think you should maybe do your research before  you choose your examples next time.

Cars crash and people die, I don't see people boycotting cars.

What exactly is this underlying affair?? People's need to tag everything they can with the RACE CARD even when evidence point to the contrary Or people's continued assumption that ALL GOOD NIGERIANS think gloom and doom as they do, even when logic says it should not be so This is not a call for the west to maltreat. This is a case that is no different from cases that you see all over the world daily but is being blown way out of proportion by people with personal issues and being made a National issue when evidence upon evidence point to it being otherwise. Those who continue to make it a National issue do not consider that there are many amongst their own who do not see it the way they do and would appreciate it if we would handle issues more maturedly and in more civilized manner so those who actually have serious complaints with evidence to back up their claims can get a fair hearing in the future.

Nigerian airways was an example. let us assume british airways was the nigerian national carrier, would you boycott? goveernment wont do shit and the nigerian police might torture our so called brother.

car accidents? well people get runover by hit and run, but i don't see people boycotting trekking? . why did sosoliso crash?  since you are good in research, you do your findings

THE POINT IS IF THE WEST PERCIEVE THAT THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT IS MALTREATING NIGERIANS WHICH THEY ARE, WHY SHOULD THEY NOT MALTREAT US THEMSELVES? I mean a guy spent 16 billion dollars on electricity and there is still no light and bola ige's killers are yet to be found and you are talking about respect from western world THIS IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR MALTREATMENT AND NEITHER IS IT A DRIVER FOR RESPECT?what it is, heaven only knows

why was the dude making commotion on the plane  even deported?

@Kobojunkie

You are really trying for Nigerians. Too bad. A prophet is without honor in his own country.

Please fellow Nigerians, let[b] us [/b] go to the hispanics world wide and plead with them to teach us how to carry out an effective "boycott".  I don't think the other Africans are even listening to us.   We can't even stage a successful boycott?


It has been like 6 weeks now and the "maltreatment" continues despite the "mega million" marches of Nigerians on the WWW via fake petition signing.

I just came back from Nigeria and not a sound about this so-called boycott oh.  Infact the British Airways terminal at MMA was buzzing with serious activities as Nigerians struggled to get on board to be "maltreated" even further. See people begging for economy tickets since the First/Busines are all sold out.

Go figure!

vicade:

Nigerian airways was an example. let us assume british airways was the nigerian national carrier, would you boycott? goveernment wont do shit and the nigerian police might torture our so called brother.

car accidents? well people get runover by hit and run, but i don't see people boycotting trekking? . why did sosoliso crash?  since you are good in research, you do your findings

THE POINT IS IF THE WEST PERCIEVE THAT THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT IS MALTREATING NIGERIANS WHICH THEY ARE, WHY SHOULD THEY NOT MALTREAT US THEMSELVES? I mean a guy spent 16 billion dollars on electricity and there is still no light and bola ige's killers are yet to be found and you are talking about respect from western world THIS IS NOT A JUSTIFICATION FOR MALTREATMENT AND NEITHER IS IT A DRIVER FOR RESPECT?what it is, heaven only knows

why was the dude making commotion on the plane  even deported?

The dude was causing the commotion because he hated being deported to the land of his birth which could end up being the land of his "death"   I would have shot myself before being deported.

Good questions you raised here.


As for the 16 billion Naira electricity project, I think we have written that off as a "bad debt".  Only God can give the punishment such wickedness deserves.