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Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 8:43pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: You seem to misunderstand. I have, and had, absolutely no intention of indulging in your chocolate flavored $hit. Get to your point. And, um, the f*&k do I care if you're annoyed? That's your prerogative, it's a free world. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 8:43pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
mazaje: Okay, given the fact that you are referring only to a particular religious construct of God, I withdraw my statement and seek forgiveness for being for rude. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by mazaje(m): 8:46pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Image123: You are a joke. . Pls re-read the verse again. . .Here it is. . . 1Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen Where in this verse does it can that god can not be detected?. . .The verse only talks about god who is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. It does not say he is undetectable. . .Where does the bible say that god is undetectable any where? A god that is said to speak to humans and be in a personal relationship with them?. . .Where does it say that god is undetectable. . .Seems you read your own bible upside down as always. . . |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 8:46pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
wiegraf: I am not annoyed, I can only smile at a coward. I see you are scared sh1tless and cant address the simple and short questions. It thus makes sense to pretend that I never asked the questions and also pretend that the point is not obvious within the questions - by asking me to get to my point. I had credited you with better than this. Whenever you are ready, be it tomorrow, next week, next month, next month, or even when we are all six feet under, the questions are there. You can go back to them and answer them. Good evening, kind, noble and gracious sir. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 8:48pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Did you have a point? |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 8:52pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
wiegraf: Its been almost 30 minutes since I posted those questions and you have made several replies. I would have thought it wise and honest to simply invest that time (which of course you do not have) into answering the very simple and short questions directly. Anything less is just plain dodgy my friend, and you must per force agree that you are by now being absolutely dodgy. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by mazaje(m): 8:54pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: How can I say that I know it is designed without knowing what it is designed for? In the same way I can know that this was designed without knowing what it was designed for. You know it was designed ONLY because it is a human product. . .You keep assuming that nature and the universe at large is a human society as such it must be designed. . .Humans always design things. . .All things that humans do are as a result of design, because humans design things does NOT mean that nature must also design things. . .You know that your TV, car, clothes, painting etc were designed because they are all human products. . .Pls tell me just one human product that you know of that was not designed. . .Now tell me if natural things like mount Everest and the Sahara desert were designed. . .What about a hurricane, was it designed?. . .Rain bow nko?. . .Was it designed?. . .What about volcanic mountains, mudslides and earthquakes?. . .Were they designed?. . . chance has no laws that can make behavior predictable You haven't show this to be true in any way. . . Try Occam's razor. There is no need to multiply causes beyond necessity It is not unnecessary since you are basing your entire premise on how things function in the human society. . .Complex things and structures here most times require more than one designer. . . |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 8:54pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: So you have one? Can you get to it pls? |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 8:56pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
chance has no laws that can make behavior predictable Mazaje: [size=32pt]CHEI! ! ! ! ! ! ! ![/size] |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 8:58pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
wiegraf: Aite. That's it. I see you won't answer the questions coz of fear. I am happy that the questions are there. Posterity and the reading public will judge for themselves the following - 1. The questions 2. If the point was made already in the questions 3. Your refusal to address them squarely. I'm on my second Big stout, I need to sleep early today, stop wasting my time, Good night, kind noble and gracious sir. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by chukkynwob(m): 8:59pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
@Deepsight you have been around for so long to recall that weigraf only specialises in abuse and ad hominem. Engaging him I must warn is not only futile but might dent your image in this section as an intellectual. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 9:01pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: And you as well, good ser. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 9:03pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
chukkynwob: @Deepsight you have been around for so long to recall that weigraf only specialises in abuse and ad hominem. That's some butthurt, did I perchance jizz in your break fast my good intellectual? |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 9:05pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
wiegraf: Fvcking hell, lolz. You dis guy, you dey on sometin i swear! That brought a laugh! |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by thehomer: 9:06pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Mr anony: Read this 4 times. It still doesn't make sense. Let me make things more explicit then. The speed of light in a vacuum is a constant approximately 3E6 m/s. This doesn't change even when the speed of a photon changes to 6 m/s. Basically, a constant doesn't change. You on the other hand, seem to think it can so, is your own idea of chaos physically possible? Mr anony: I never said it did. What I said was that the universe had chaos (the conception I presented) inbuilt into it. Mr anony: You do because you claimed that I made a concession. If I made this concession, you should show it otherwise one can conclude that you were lying against me. Mr anony: And you have once again shown that you don't understand the difference between a logical possibility and a physical possibility. Saying that since it is logically possible therefore it is physically possible means you have no idea of what you're talking about. Please examine those concepts again. Mr anony: Nairaland cannot represent the universe because it relies on other tools itself. That is why your analogy is not accurate. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by thehomer: 9:11pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Image123: Maybe there are but don't you think that as a Christian, you shouldn't be bearing false witness? What you've said amounts to lying against me. The way for you to show that you're not lying is for you to back up your slander with evidence. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 9:14pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Well, it was a bit confusing. Not saying I'm not an a$$, but it still comes of as silly, my opinion. We'll deal with our issues another day good ser, I really shouldn't be procrastinating and I'm fairly sure we'll reach a pointless impasse. I will open a thread when I'm in the mood, and whenever you could, you could then indulge me at your discretion. But yes, most of those are (for the most part, I'll have to look at them) abstract. My point being materialists do not deny the existence of the abstract, and I already mentioned that hence I see no need to answer to the questions. Materialist POV is simply that they rely on the physical, the physical being the base. Also, I view thoughts simply as computations, like any PC can do. Only thing they miss are emotions, the ability to feel, etc, so I don't consider them anything special. Anyhoo, enjoy the stouts. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 9:14pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
thehomer: There really are better things to do than worry about someone who regards himself as a stone. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 9:17pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: GADDAMIT |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 9:21pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
wiegraf: Contained in the above is your straightforward, manly attitude which is what makes me like your posting style. This is why I found your avoidance of my questions unusual and disturbing. We'll deal with our issues another day good ser, I really shouldn't be procrastinating and I'm fairly sure we'll reach a pointless impasse. I will open a thread when I'm in the mood, and whenever you could, you could then indulge me at your discretion. Dont worry, I am myself planning a big say-all; where I will say everything about why I think strict materialist atheism is siilly, and when I do that, you can b.ang me on the head with a baseball bat full of reasons why I am wrong. But yes, most of those are (for the most part, I'll have to look at them) abstract. My point being materialists do not deny the existence of the abstract, and I already mentioned that hence I see no need to answer to the questions. Materialist POV is simply that they rely on the physical, the physical being the base. Also, I view thoughts simply as computations, like any PC can do. Only thing they miss are emotions, the ability to feel, etc, so I don't consider them anything special. I did not ask if they are special. I asked if they are material. Anyhoo, enjoy the stouts. I tell ya, had to step down from whisky. . . . . . |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 9:37pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Manly? Well. Deep Sight: For the most part, no, abstract like I mentioned. I only mentioned the 'not special' bit to highlight I don't think consciousness is particularly special. You might be heading in other directions though. I'll defend my manly honor if you get around to opening a thread, or address these questions directly by opening another thread. Deep Sight: Looking forward to it oga.. Ah, I was supposed to have left. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 9:44pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
wiegraf: Manly? Well. O yes, I value the ability to be bllooddy staight up and direct in life more than anything else! I had perceived you as such, but you dey fall my hand na? The questions are there! For the most part, no, abstract like I mentioned. I only mentioned the 'not special' bit to highlight I don't think consciousness is particularly special. You might be heading in other directions though. End of story, you have shown that, after-all, you believe that non-physical things exist! I'll defend my manly honor if you get around to opening a thread, or address these questions directly by opening another thread. I will hold you to that; once I am done with my key assignments 2moro, I will start by going back to your old thread which I still have in mind. Forgot the title tho. Send it to me, you slave of mine, will, ya. Now! Looking forward to it oga.. Honestly, this addiction. Same here o, ought to be up early for important stuff. Instead I am nursing guiness stout and answering crazy materialists like you. One thought - Has it ever occurred to you how strange life is? |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by wiegraf: 10:51pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Deep Sight: I never said they don't! I doubt materialists do as well. See, getting into details requires considerable effort (especially against those skilled in the dark arts, like you) Deep Sight: It is, after all, about dogs. Known to be slavish https://www.nairaland.com/1229738/dog-breeds-banned Deep Sight: I am not strictly a materialist. I hold the heretical view that something can come from nothing *braces for $hitstorm*. For most intents and purposes though, I'm a materialist. As for strange, not really, no. Somewhat related, it may look like an orchestra, sometimes beautiful. But I certainly do not think it's conscious. I just think it's logic, and it can be enthralling to us. Can't find the exact quote, but here's a similar one about nature's laws (and its strangeness) from the 'one to quote when you want to sound smart' (though he probably was wrong about quite a few things) einstein: I suppose pointing towards your direction in that other thread, but a salient difference (from my perspective) would be; no gods. It could be that there couldn't be any other way, end of. And this may look beautiful, strange, etc to the undiscerning eye, but it's just logic. No grand purpose, just logic. Not saying the above is necessarily true though. How much time did I just kill by coming back here? Che... |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by Image123(m): 11:26pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
mazaje:wow, you're now going selective on your own statements? You said God is not undetectable or hidden anywhere. It seems the meaning is lost on you. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by Image123(m): 11:30pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
thehomer:i did not lie against you. i also thank God that there are other readers that see your fallacies oh king. You may keep living in denial as an unbelievaber. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by thehomer: 11:37pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Image123: If you weren't lying against me, then surely you should be able to show me these fallacies. So, where are they? |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by Image123(m): 11:46pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
thehomer:Going by experience on this thread and others, you have the defect of not being able to recognize one when shown. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by thehomer: 11:57pm On Jun 06, 2013 |
Image123: This is another slanderous claim that you'll have to demonstrate. Do you have evidence for this claim and the previous one? If you do, please present it. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by DeepSight(m): 8:58am On Jun 07, 2013 |
thehomer: No one has to demonstrate this. It is like asking people to demonstrate that the sun exists. It is self evident. In Latin -Res ipsa loquitor. The thing speaks for itself. EVERYONE, sees how dumbfoundingly THICK you are. By the by, I opened thread to ask if u have ever heard a good theistic argument. Did you see it or just ignore it? Your choice. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by mazaje(m): 10:15am On Jun 07, 2013 |
Image123: Where does it say that god is hidden or undetectable in the passage?. . .The passage only says your god dwells in a place no man can approach, it also says no man has seen him(its a contradiction since other passages have stated that some people have seen him e.g Moses). Seeing is NOT the only way an entity can be detected. . .There are many things that have been detected though other means than sight. . .The passage does NOT say the bible god can not be detected. . . |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by thehomer: 6:51pm On Jun 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: So much ignorance. So people shouldn't demonstrate their claims? People shouldn't show when questioned whether or not they've been lying? What is wrong with you? Do you practice jungle law or is it law as the inquisitors used to practice? Deep Sight: Still with the childish insults I see. I'm sending you to bed. No supper for you tonight. Tomorrow, I'll wash your mouth out with soap. |
Re: An Argument Against Any Reasonable Knowledge Of God. by Image123(m): 8:03pm On Jun 07, 2013 |
mazaje:i'm happy to read the bolded from you. It's what we have been telling you for ages as regards the spirit realm. |
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