Thank you sir. Children of God must walk in his word. The bible says the spirit and the word agree(1 john 5:. Therefore any vision or revelation the holy spirit gives must agree with Gods word. But i need you to clarify me on some issues. You wrote that no one else will go to heaven except jesus. What of revelation 7:9?

Chibuebem: Thank you sir. Children of God must walk in his word. The bible says the spirit and the word agree(1 john 5:. Therefore any vision or revelation the holy spirit gives must agree with Gods word. But i need you to clarify me on some issues. You wrote that no one else will go to heaven except jesus. What of revelation 7:9?

Only Jesus has ascended into Heaven, Heaven is GOD's throne, we who are his, if indeed we are his , will inherit a new heaven ( sky ) and new earth.

Rev 7:9 can be tied into Revelations 22:1-5.

But before you go there read : Revelation 21:1 , Isaiah 65:17 , Isaiah 66:22 and Romans 8:21


Remember , Peter never said he was looking to go to heaven where GOD dwells, this is what he said :

2 Peter 3:13 - But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.


As Jesus said :

"Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the earth."

This means the saints will inherit a newly restored earth which is paradise.


But what will happen to the wicked on this earth ?

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 13:41

The wicked will be destroyed in the lake of fire which is the second death , nothing to do with everlasting torment or torture.

frosbel:

Only Jesus has ascended into Heaven, Heaven is GOD's throne, we who are his, if indeed we are his , will inherit a new heaven ( sky ) and new earth.

Rev 7:9 can be tied into Revelations 22:1-5.

But before you go there read : Revelation 21:1 , Isaiah 65:17 , Isaiah 66:22 and Romans 8:21


Remember , Peter never said he was looking to go to heaven where GOD dwells, this is what he said :

2 Peter 3:13 - But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.


As Jesus said :

"Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the earth."

This means the saints will inherit a newly restored earth which is paradise.


But what will happen to the wicked on this earth ?

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 13:41

The wicked will be destroyed in the lake of fire which is the second death , nothing to do with everlasting torment or torture.

hmmm. I know we shall inherit a new heaven and a new earth. But from your other comments on other threads(i might be wrong), you say hell is a place of destruction that the unsaved go to after their death?

Chibuebem: hmmm. I know we shall inherit a new heaven and a new earth. But from your other comments on other threads(i might be wrong), you say hell is a place of destruction that the unsaved go to after their death?

There is only ONE Judgement and that is the white throne judgement which happens after the resurrection from the dead and not before.

The bible does not support 2 hells and 2 judgements , Luke 16 is a Parable.

Hebrews 9:27
King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Jesus said :

John 5:28-29
English Standard Version (ESV)
28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

After the judgement of the dead, then those whose names are not in the book of life will be destroyted in the lake of fire - Rev 20:14

Death itself will be defeated and destroyed forever as God himself says Isaiah 25:8 , that he will swallow up death forever and Paul corroborates this 1 Corinthians 15:54.

So there are 2 choices and 2 resurrections.

1st choice - Jesus To give allegiance to God through Jesus Christ means you gain the gift of eternal life and no more death , but an eternal state of paradise with God. This happens after the resurrection , then we who are still alive will be caught up to be with the Lord forever and ever with new immortal bodies just like that of JESUS.

2nd choice - Satan To give allegiance to the devil and his ruler-ship of this world, will earn any of us death and this death happens after the great white throne judgement by destruction in the lake of fire.


May I kindly add that GOD is not an eternal torture or sadist, the wages of sin remains death and the gift of God eternal life.

frosbel:

There is only ONE Judgement and that is the white throne judgement which happens after the resurrection from the dead and not before.

The bible does not support 2 hells and 2 judgements , Luke 16 is a Parable.

Hebrews 9:27
King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Jesus said :

John 5:28-29
English Standard Version (ESV)
28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

After the judgement of the dead, then those whose names are not in the book of life will be destroyted in the lake of fire - Rev 20:14

Death itself will be defeated and destroyed forever as God himself says Isaiah 25:8 , that he will swallow up death forever and Paul corroborates this 1 Corinthians 15:54.

So there are 2 choices and 2 resurrections.

1st choice - Jesus To give allegiance to God through Jesus Christ means you gain the gift of eternal life and no more death , but an eternal state of paradise with God. This happens after the resurrection , then we who are still alive will be caught up to be with the Lord forever and ever with new immortal bodies just like that of JESUS.

2nd choice - Satan To give allegiance to the devil and his ruler-ship of this world, will earn any of us death and this death happens after the great white throne judgement by destruction in the lake of fire.


May I kindly add that GOD is not an eternal torture or sadist, the wages of sin remains death and the gift of God eternal life.

the bible says we are saved from the wrath of God(1 thessalonians 5:9), which is told of in revelation. The bible also says that jesus's second coming will be with the armies of heaven, the saints. Then those who were killed for refusing to accept the mark of the beast will resurrect, and reign with christ for 1000 years, etc, etc. Do you agree with what i have just said?? If not clarify me sir. Do u believe in the 'rapture'? If not, i want to know where you stand sir.

EVALUATING MANY OF THE CLAIMS TO HEAVEN AND HELL

Thus far we have examined specific, current, and popular accounts of people claiming to have been to Heaven and to Hell. With these specific accounts still in view, we will now look at some of the broader challenges, both logical and theological, confronting anyone claiming to have made such journeys.

There is a logical problem with these accounts that is so glaring, it is hard to understand why more people do not take note of it; namely, these various accounts often contradict one another. The three individuals examined in this article only scratch the surface of those claiming to have been to the other side. Mary Baxter (who claimed she went to both Heaven and Hell), Betty Malz, Roberts Liardon, Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth Hagin, Richard Eby, Todd Bentley, etc. also would have you believe they were given a sneak peek into the afterlife. It takes only a cursory reading of these stories to realize that they all contradict one another – and often even contradict themselves! Colton Burpo reports that everyone in heaven, even God Himself, had wings. Piper saw many people in heaven but they apparently did not have wings. Some report that heaven is completely urban whereas Duplantis says he saw homes out in the country. Some saw God on His throne, others did not see Him at all, and some, like Don Piper, can’t seem to remember whether they saw Him or not. Colton claims that those in Heaven show no signs of age, yet Piper claims that his grandfather, Joe Kulbeth, still had his “shock of white hair.”

Some heavenly tourists say that Jesus has brown hair, others say it is blond. Some report Jesus as having a purple sash about his waist, others say it is blue. Benny Hinn claims to see Jesus often and can even describe what He is wearing from day to day. Some, like Colton Burpo, say Jesus’ eyes are blue, others say they are brown. One thing that all of the supposed accounts of Heaven have in common is a minimized description of the glory of Christ. Rather than a description like that in Revelation 1:14: “His chest was girded with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire,” these accounts describe Jesus as being rather ordinary and non-glorious. God would never be the source of a vision which downplays the glory of His Son.
The list of contradictions is almost endless. The obvious point is that these accounts cannot all be true. In all likelihood, none of them are.

Now let’s turn to the theological issues with all of these accounts. Though with varying degrees of specificity, all who have been to the hereafter and have returned describe people as having physical bodies. They report that the heavenly residents are perfect in every way showing no signs of sickness, disease, arthritis, handicaps, etc. They describe these glorified bodies as beautiful in appearance and perfect in function. There is only one problem with this: the redeemed in Heaven do not yet have their glorified bodies. This statement will likely surprise many readers and, unfortunately, the theological nuances are too involved to fully address here. It is, however, sufficient to note that the Bible teaches that those presently in Heaven are not yet in possession of their permanent, glorified bodies. In fact, Heaven itself is not yet in its perfected, eternal state. Those events will not transpire until the timing of Revelation 21. At present, Heaven is in its “intermediate” state, if you will, and the redeemed there are also in an intermediate state. In Revelation 6:9-11 and 20:4, John saw the “souls of those who had been slain because of the Word of God” and the “souls of those who had been beheaded” respectively. Those that John saw were not in possession of physical bodies but rather were in a non-corporeal state. The redeemed will be given glorified bodies at the rapture or Christ’s return to earth (Parousia). Therefore, the reports of people in the intermediate Heaven as possessing glorified bodies must be rejected.

2 - SECOND The second theological problem is one which plagues all the books in the “I’ve been to Heaven and/or Hell” genre; they are all an attack on the sufficiency of Scripture. Even if an account does not directly contradict the Bible per se (and most do), these accounts propose to add to biblical revelation. In these accounts, for example, we learn that hell is 3,700 miles below the surface of the earth, that it is inhabited by ghastly creatures and giant spiders, the pit of fire is shaped like a giant human or maybe it’s one mile in diameter (depending on whose account you read) and is ruled by demons – none of which can be found in the Bible. Likewise, Heaven apparently has suburbs, the flowers turn themselves to watch you as you pass by, the fruit is copper colored, individual homes are furnished with ball and claw Queen Anne furniture, people have wings or they don’t (again, depending on the particular account), and the souls of babies fly around God on His throne. None of this is biblically supported.

All of this information is unbiblical at worst and extra-biblical at best. This leads us to the issue of new divine revelation knowledge. Is God giving certain individuals new revelation and speaking to them apart from and in addition to the Bible? If any of these accounts are even partly true, then the inescapable conclusion is “yes.”

The implications of new revelation are huge. If it is necessary for us to know this information, why has God delayed nearly 2,000 years in giving it to us? Did the saints of previous generations have inadequate revelation of Heaven? Did they not have a sufficient supply of God’s truth? If they did, then these and all other accounts of visiting the other side are entirely unnecessary and of no profit to the church.

Whatever God reveals and says to these individuals (most of these individuals quote God directly) should carry with it the very same authority as any verse of Scripture since God cannot speak less authoritatively on one occasion than He does on another. In other words, God cannot speak to us in the Bible and “really, really mean it” but when He speaks to individuals outside of the Bible whether in a dream, vision, audible voice, or trip to Heaven still mean it, but somehow mean it less so than He did in the Bible. It is illogical. It is an untenable position. If God is speaking, then God is speaking. If God is indeed speaking to people outside of Scripture then these communications would add to the Bible. Carried to its logical conclusion we are left with an open canon of Scripture. If the canon of Scripture is still open, then anything goes. Consider how many false religions have begun by an individual claiming to have received new revelation from God. Almost every false religion was begun by an individual saying, ‘God has spoken to me. Let me tell you what He has to say.’ Most notable: Mormonism and Islam. Both Joseph Smith and Mohammed, respectively, reported that an entity claiming to speak for God appeared to them and gave them new divine revelation knowledge. Interestingly, both of these men initially believed the entity to be malevolent, but, over time, became convinced that it was from God. From these eerily similar encounters in which extra-biblical revelation was given, two huge false religions were born. The canon of Scripture is complete and it is closed – for good reason.

All who claim to have been to Heaven or Hell report that God the Father or God the Son brought them there for the purpose of allowing them to go back to earth and let people know that these places are real. For example, Wiese quotes Jesus as saying, “Go and tell them about this place. It is not my desire that any should go there.”
Jesse Duplantis quotes Jesus as saying, “Go tell My people I’m coming.”

Replied Duplantis, “They know that.”

Jesus supposedly answered, “No they don’t know that. Go tell My people I’m coming! I brought you here to tell them I’m coming!”

Duplantis is wrong. God’s people do, in fact, “know that” because the Bible states it clearly. We do not need anyone to go to Heaven or Hell to tell us these places are real. Scripture reveals this information for us. If such excursions are necessary to give us this information (or at least impress upon us the urgency of it) then the inescapable conclusion is that the Bible is insufficient in and of itself to do so.

Most of these individuals would at least give verbal ascent to the Bible as God’s inerrant Word, but they clearly do not believe in its sufficiency. If they had such a high view of Scripture they would quickly see that these trips are completely unnecessary. Recall Abraham’s words to the rich man in the lake of fire upon the latter’s request to send the deceased Lazarus back to earth to warn his five brothers to repent while they still had time: “If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets (the Bible), they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead (Luke 16:19-31).” There is an inherent power in the Word of God that no miracle, no sign, no alleged visit to Heaven or Hell can boast. If people will not believe the Bible, then neither will they be persuaded by stories such as these.

3 - THIRD - There is clearly a difference between the response of those inspired writers who were allowed to glimpse Heaven and those in our modern day who make the same claims. The New Testament records only three men who were allowed to see Heaven: Stephen just before he was stoned, John, and Paul. Interestingly all three of these men were very much alive when they were given glimpses into Heaven contrary to some, but not all, of our modern cases. Stephen’s glimpse was very brief and offers little detail other than seeing Jesus at the right hand of God. John’s account is by far the most detailed we have, was revealed to him personally by Christ Himself. That leaves us with the Apostle Paul. What do we know, though, of what he saw and heard in Heaven? Absolutely nothing. Paul writes, “I know a man in Christ who…was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.” We have no idea what he saw or what he heard. Why? Because what he saw was “inexpressible” and he was “not permitted” to speak it.
Ponder this for a moment. Here we have the man who wrote roughly one-third of the New Testament. Not only did he not give us any details of his rapturous visit to Heaven, but he did not even want to mention the experience at all. He did so only reluctantly because his apostleship was being questioned by some in Corinth; hence his reference to himself in the third person, “I know a man.” Paul was so humbled by his experience he would not even refer to himself in the first person. Even with that degree of humility, God still gave him a “thorn in the flesh” to humble him even further. Contrast Paul’s humility with the attitude of those making such claims today. In contrast to Paul who gave no details and only reluctantly mentioned it at all, people today who claim to have been to Heaven write books about it and go on national and global speaking tours. Some of these books sell millions and millions of copies. Spin-off books and courses complete with instructional DVDs often follow. Movies are even being made. Paul wouldn’t even speak of his vision while some today use their “revelations” to catapult them into stardom, celebrity status, and the New York Times Best Seller list. The contrast is stark, is it not?

Finally, it is worth observing what is mysteriously absent from most of these accounts: the Gospel. It is striking that so many of these people who claim to have been to Heaven and to have not only seen Jesus but spoken to Him do not mention the Gospel. For example, in Heaven is for Real, the closes thing to the Gospel is when Colton quotes Jesus as saying, “I had to die on the cross so that people on earth could come to see my Dad.” Granted, this is coming from a child, but the author of the book and father of the child, Todd Burpo, is a Pastor. If this experience helped make Heaven “real” for them, why is the Gospel never presented so the millions of readers can know how to get there?
The same can be said of Don Piper, another Pastor. He supposedly spent 90 minutes in Heaven and yet, save for a few clichés like “accepting Jesus” and “turning to Christ,” one will search his book in vain for the Gospel message. It’s just not there. There is no mention of the seriousness of sin or its eternal consequences. There is no mention of the wrath of God. There is no mention of the Deity of Jesus, the meaning of His sacrificial and substitutionary death, or His resurrection. There is no mention of repentance from sin and placing faith in His finished work. There is, in short, no Gospel.

To be fair, Bill Wiese is different. Wiese does give an excellent, complete, detailed and non-compromising Gospel presentation. I watched him do so on TBN and he did so very, very well. There was no fault to be found. However, what of Burpo and especially Piper? For the reasons already presented I do not believe that such visits to Heaven and Hell are even possible, but for the sake of argument let’s assume that something like that really happened to me. Let’s assume I had truly seen the majesties of Heaven and the glory of God, I would expect that I would be absolutely consumed with telling people about the Gospel. My preaching would not be characterized by waxing eloquent about how “good you’re gonna look in Heaven” but rather pleading with people to repent and escape the coming judgment. I would expect I would have the attitude of Peter and John who, when in response to warnings not to teach in the name of Jesus replied, “we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard.” I would expect I would share Paul’s desire to preach nothing but “Christ crucified.”

It is difficult to understand how the Gospel would not be central to any believer’s preaching or writing, but especially so for one claiming to have actually seen what for the rest of us is accepted by faith alone. Based on the authority of the complete and sufficient Word of God we are forced to reject all of these claims as valid.
This raises an obvious question which I have not yet addressed: are they lying? This is where my assessment must leave the objectivity of Scripture and delve into the subjective realm of people’s thoughts and intentions.
Some of these people I do believe are complete frauds. Some I have studied for years and believe they are motivated by money and fame and have been very successful in acquiring both. Others, however, I am not so sure.

In watching many interviews of Todd Burpo it is obvious that he loves his son dearly. He certainly seems like a nice guy. The story he tells tugs at one’s heart strings to be sure. Don Piper undoubtedly had a devastating wreck and suffered excruciating pain. However, his claim of seeing God on His throne when he had previously denied this, and denied it quite thoroughly, is difficult to understand. Bill Wiese certainly presents the Gospel well and definitely warns people of coming judgment. I think it would be neither right nor fair to make such a serious charge of lying against any of these men. That having been said, neither is it possible to be completely confident of their truthfulness. I think it is entirely possible that some of these stories began with a vivid dream which, at the time, seemed quite real. Dreams often do seem very real. I would imagine that the dream was told to one or two people who then told it to others who in turn told it to others and on and on. Likely the reports grew and became more and more elaborate. A radio interview here, a newspaper report there, the story snowballs and before long it takes on a life of its own. To keep up with the hype and publicity the individuals must keep up the story and may even begin to believe it themselves to a degree. Publicity and the praise of men is an intoxicating elixir and it poses a threat to every preacher no matter how humble - this writer included.

However, our final authority is the Word of God. No matter how real an experience may seem to us, if it does not plumb with the Word of God then it is an illegitimate experience. Those who promote an illegitimate experience exceeded biblical parameters. They have begun to divorce themselves and those who listen to them from sole reliance upon the Scriptures.

Anything that is not of the truth is a lie. Whether the person telling the lie has malicious motives or not is irrelevant to the nature of the information being given. Colton Burpo may have the purest of motives in telling us that God has wings, but when his statement contradicts Scripture, it is not just a fresh perspective, it is a lie. Contradicting Scripture is the work of Satan, not God. Whether Burpo, Piper or Wiese intend to lie, contradict Scripture, or promote error, their reports end up doing that very thing.

The question about the sincerity or lack thereof of any of these individuals may be an interesting one to ponder, but, in the final analysis it does not matter. Whether someone is sincere in his promotion of error does not make the error any less harmful to those who believe it. Error is still error. Millions of unsuspecting people are slowly but surely being pulled away from the authority and sufficieny of Scripture and are instead turning to other sources of “truth” for their spiritual knowledge and nourishment. The dangers of this cannot be overstated.

These accounts are extra-biblical and often unbiblical. They divert attention away from the true power of God, the Gospel (Rom 1:16), and emphasize subjective experiences. They may be motivational in a superficial sense but they are not capable of convictinLg people of their sin and need of the Savior. In the words of hymn writer John Keith, “How firm a foundation ye saints of the Lord is laid for your faith in His excellent Word. What more can He say than to you He hath said? To you who for refuge to Jesus have fled?” What more can He say to us, dear friends, than what He has already said in His Word?

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http://so4j.com/false-visits-to-heaven-and-hell.php#hell_is_a_real_place

Chibuebem: hmmm. I know we shall inherit a new heaven and a new earth. But from your other comments on other threads(i might be wrong), you say hell is a place of destruction that the unsaved go to after their death?

Whatever answer that frosbel or anybody has given you pls don't take it as final. Still hear from others too and study everything prayerfully. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you properly into all truths. Remember, you are going to stand before God alone on the judgement day. None of us will stand for any of us. God bless you.

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Very correct. Let us walk in the reality of Gods word, by the power of God. Yes. We are born of God. Let us know him. Let us walk in the spirit, not as natural people who dont have any depth of life, but as spiritual people who are children of God and know him, who are saved from sin and walk in the power of God(ephesians 1:17-23). Let us abide in christ, and let his life shine forth as light. The church should be concerned with edification and evangelism. Let us trust in the power and authority of Gods word as we reach out to the world. Its the power of God that changes a man.(1 corinthians 2:1-4; 4:20) let us abide in the word, and walk in the reality of it. (hebrews 3:14 HCSB)

alexleo:

Whatever answer that frosbel or anybody has given you pls don't take it as final. Still hear from others too and study everything prayerfully. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you properly into all truths. Remember, you are going to stand before God alone on the judgement day. None of us will stand for any of us. God bless you.

thank you. Just wanted to find out what he professes.

Chibuebem: the bible says we are saved from the wrath of God(1 thessalonians 5:9), which is told of in revelation. The bible also says that jesus's second coming will be with the armies of heaven, the saints. Then those who were killed for refusing to accept the mark of the beast will resurrect, and reign with christ for 1000 years, etc, etc. Do you agree with what i have just said?? If not clarify me sir. Do u believe in the 'rapture'? If not, i want to know where you stand sir.

My dear many have been killed over 2000 years for rejecting the mark of the beast which is simply a spiritual mark denoting those who do not have the seal of God on their fore heads. Try reading the Fox book of Martyrs.

Secondly the coming of Jesus will be a very loud event, not some silent, secret event, he will appear with the shout of the arch angel and as he is coming, the dead are raised to life, we who are alive are caught up in the air and we come back with him to judge the world. It never ever suggests in scripture that when he comes we will follow him back to heaven and come back again, no, he comes back the second time ONCE and then the world is judged and God's wrath is poured out on the wicked who will be destroyed.

Jehovah witness things...

^^^

Nope I am not JW.

But the JWs are miles ahead of the so called holy Pentecostals.

frosbel:

My dear many have been killed over 2000 years for rejecting the mark of the beast which is simply a spiritual mark denoting those who do not have the seal of God on their fore heads. Try reading the Fox book of Martyrs.

Secondly the coming of Jesus will be a very loud event, not some silent, secret event, he will appear with the shout of the arch angel and as he is coming, the dead are raised to life, we who are alive are caught up in the air and we come back with him to judge the world. It never ever suggests in scripture that when he comes we will follow him back to heaven and come back again, no, he comes back the second time ONCE and then the world is judged and God's wrath is poured out on the wicked who will be destroyed.

i dont agree with you sir. I have read the foxes book of matyrs. It talks about the persecution of the church. What you just said doesnt agree with Gods word. But please let us not start an argument, at least not here and now.

Chibuebem: i dont agree with you sir. I have read the foxes book of matyrs. It talks about the persecution of the church. What you just said doesnt agree with Gods word. But please let us not start an argument, at least not here and now.

The antichrists and antichrist has been around for ages, the man of sin who imo is the pope has been around for over a 1000 years, Christians have died in their millions at the hands of the Roman empire, catholic church , Islam etc. The tribulation started 2000 years ago, what are you waiting for ? Nuclear war ?

In fact, Jesus is coming as a thief in the night at a time when people will be at ease, when iniquity will abound, when scoffers and mockers will be saying " why has he not returned after 2000 years ? ", this is the time in which we live, a time of false teachers and false prophets, lying wonders of Satan in churches and in visions and dreams, anyone who does not hold onto the word of God and prayerfully seeks after GOD only will be deceived.

Jesus can come now , are we ready ?

And when you say what I say does not agree with God's word, I think what you meant to say is it does not agree with the doctrines you have been fed by your churches.

frosbel:

The antichrists and antichrist has been around for ages, the man of sin who imo is the pope has been around for over a 1000 years, Christians have died in their millions at the hands of the Roman empire, catholic church , Islam etc. The tribulation started 2000 years ago, what are you waiting for ? Nuclear war ?

In fact, Jesus is coming as a thief in the night at a time when people will be at ease, when iniquity will abound, when scoffers and mockers will be saying " why has he not returned after 2000 years ? ", this is the time in which we live, a time of false teachers and false prophets, lying wonders of Satan in churches and in visions and dreams, anyone who does not hold onto the word of God and prayerfully seeks after GOD only will be deceived.

Jesus can come now , are we ready ?

And when you say what I say does not agree with God's word, I think what you meant to say is it does not agree with the doctrines you have been fed by your churches.

ok sir. My life is not based on any doctrine of any church, its based on Gods word. I'll contact you later sir.

frosbel: ^^^

Nope I am not JW.

But the JWs are miles ahead of the so called holy Pentecostals.

That's your passmark to JW but what matters most is not our passmark but God"s passmark. Even if all of us approve JW teachings and God does not approve it then its of no use. Likewise the teachings of any individual or churches.

@ all... There's the genuine & counterfeit of everything.There are genuine heaven & hell visits & false ones just as there are genuine prophets,pastors,churches,christianity,teachers & false ones.satan counterfiets everything genuine that God does.We cannot just reject all the genuine stuffs as false just because there are false ones.This is one of frosbels methods and strategies that crowns him the number one false teacher on this forum.Wrong to say that all the multitudes since creation till now that testify of the afterlife encounter that agree with scriptures are telling lies.This is the method of the chief false teacher.

My dear don't deceive yourself, God shows mercy to wgom he wants to, many has visited heaven /hell, many died n ,god raised them to come and warn people like you, who says God doesn't punish people for what they wear, u can't be holy inside n out side is unholy, u can't say u r born again n still dress like prostitutes, don't deceive yourself n others,what you are not sure of don't write, go and seek Gods face, I didn't not expereince death, but God practical told me he doesn't like jewelery,trouser,make up, go and listen to linda ngaujahs testimony, magret amure from benun nigeria, divinerevelatiins.info, my dear no matter how preachibg of these days may sound,it doesn't tk people to heaven,if you like be a pastor especially d ladies,ur mk up, n dressing takes you to hell,

jefips: My dear don't deceive yourself, God shows mercy to wgom he wants to, many has visited heaven /hell, many died n ,god raised them to come and warn people like you, who says God doesn't punish people for what they wear, u can't be holy inside n out side is unholy, u can't say u r born again n still dress like prostitutes, don't deceive yourself n others,what you are not sure of don't write, go and seek Gods face, I didn't not expereince death, but God practical told me he doesn't like jewelery,trouser,make up, go and listen to linda ngaujahs testimony, magret amure from benun nigeria, divinerevelatiins.info, my dear no matter how preachibg of these days may sound,it doesn't tk people to heaven,if you like be a pastor especially d ladies,ur mk up, n dressing takes you to hell,

Throw away these silly myths and fables, focus on the word of GOD , do not be deceived by the lying wonders of SATAN.

For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

It did not say the WORD and Spirit ...so...your quote is a mis....

Chibuebem: Thank you sir. Children of God must walk in his word. The bible says the spirit and the word agree(1 john 5:. Therefore any vision or revelation the holy spirit gives must agree with Gods word. But i need you to clarify me on some issues. You wrote that no one else will go to heaven except jesus. What of revelation 7:9?

Ha.. if there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth" does this not mean they are "alive" to be "weeping" ( a living mechanism), thus does that not CONTRADICT what YOU say that there is destruction, not torture.. Is an act that results in one weeping and gnashing NOT torture? Explain

frosbel:

Only Jesus has ascended into Heaven, Heaven is GOD's throne, we who are his, if indeed we are his , will inherit a new heaven ( sky ) and new earth.

Rev 7:9 can be tied into Revelations 22:1-5.

But before you go there read : Revelation 21:1 , Isaiah 65:17 , Isaiah 66:22 and Romans 8:21


Remember , Peter never said he was looking to go to heaven where GOD dwells, this is what he said :

2 Peter 3:13 - But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.


As Jesus said :

"Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the earth."

This means the saints will inherit a newly restored earth which is paradise.


But what will happen to the wicked on this earth ?

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 13:41

The wicked will be destroyed in the lake of fire which is the second death , nothing to do with everlasting torment or torture.

bizmahn:

@all.There's the genuine & counterfeit of everything.There are genuine heaven & hell visits & false ones just as there are genuine prophets,pastors,churches,christianity,teachers & false ones.satan counterfiets everything genuine thing God does.We cannot just reject all the genuine stuffs as false just because there are false ones.This is one of frosbels methods and strategies that crowns him the number one false teacher on this forum.Wrong to say that all the multitudes since creation till now that testify of the afterlife encounter that agree with scripture are telling lies.This is the method of the chief false teacher.

God bless you.

ozo_emeka: Ha.. if there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth" does this not mean they are "alive" to be "weeping" ( a living mechanism), thus does that not CONTRADICT what YOU say that there is destruction, not torture.. Is an act that results in one weeping and gnashing NOT torture? Explain

Questions :

1. Do people only weep and gnash because of torture ? What does 'gnashing of teeth' mean anyway ? Let's see.

From the dictionary 'gnashing your teeth' means to show of anger or dismay.

So we can derive from this that there will indeed be weeping and gnashing of teeth on judgement day , when people realise that :

i. Jesus is indeed the Messiah
ii. They unwittingly rejected him
iii. There is no hope to eternal life
1v. They will be destroyed.
v. They will never again have the pleasure of seeing or enjoying the company of their relatives.


2. Try placing your hand over a burning fire for a minute or two. What was your experience, laughing or screaming for Joy ?

Deduction : The wicked will be thrown or destroyed in the lake of fire, hence a weeping and gnashing of teeth , until they are consumed for God is a consuming fire not non-consuming fire, to consume means to burn up or reduce to nothing.


Therefore contrary to tradition, weeping and gnashing of teeth does not mean eternal torment , it denotes a state of grief , coupled with a hopelessness of destiny prior to eternal and irreversible obliteration.

May this not be our destiny in Jesus name.

jefips:

My dear don't deceive yourself, God shows mercy to wgom he wants to, many has visited heaven /hell, many died n ,god raised them to come and warn people like you, who says God doesn't punish people for what they wear, u can't be holy inside n out side is unholy, u can't say u r born again n still dress like prostitutes, don't deceive yourself n others,what you are not sure of don't write, go and seek Gods face, I didn't not expereince death, but God practical told me he doesn't like jewelery,trouser,make up, go and listen to linda ngaujahs testimony, magret amure from benun nigeria, divinerevelatiins.info, my dear no matter how preachibg of these days may sound,it doesn't tk people to heaven,if you like be a pastor especially d ladies,ur mk up, n dressing takes you to hell,

God bless you indeed for these words of edification. The devil is terrified with these testimonies that is why he's sent his agents out to diffuse them.

OLAADEGBU:

God bless you indeed for these words of edification. The devil is terrified with these testimonies that is why he's sent his agents out to diffuse them.

The devil is not terrified , he is the one showing your friends these false visions to deceive false teachers like yourself who in turn deceive others.

2 Timothy 3:13
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

frosbel:

The devil is not terrified , he is the one showing your friends these false visions to deceive false teachers like yourself who in turn deceive others.

2 Timothy 3:13
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

Rather, the devil runs to and fro like a lion seeking for those Christians whom you've lured to sleep with your false sense of security.

bizmahn: @all.There's the genuine & counterfeit of everything.There are genuine heaven & hell visits & false ones just as there are genuine prophets,pastors,churches,christianity,teachers & false ones.satan counterfiets everything genuine thing God does.We cannot just reject all the genuine stuffs as false just because there are false ones.This is one of frosbels methods and strategies that crowns him the number one false teacher on this forum.Wrong to say that all the multitudes since creation till now that testify of the afterlife encounter that agree with scripture are telling lies.This is the method of the chief false teacher.

Yeah you are right. There can be no fake without the original. There are false vision/revelations and there are true ones. This is why we all need to ask for the Holy Spirit to dwell in us so as to guide us into all truths. With the Holy Spirit in us we will be able to discern between the the false vision/revelations (and avoid it) and the true ones. With the Holy Spirit in us we will be able to read the scriptures and see it the way God sees it, not as we want to see it. With the Holy Spirit in us we will be able to know when a preacher says the wrong thing and reject it in our hearts. It is not enough to read the bible or study the bible as some of us are hammering here. The most important thing in studying the bible is who powers your interpretation. Is it self or the Holy Spirit. If your bible study is not powered by the Holy Spirit then the outcome of the study will be as deadly as hell itself. The question remains: how many of us in this last days can devote time to pray and yield ourselves to the Holy Spirit for his total control. Can we really do that when we assume we already know the scriptures? Can we really do that when we are so occupied with the things of life? Can we really do that when we see bible as a book of logic? The Holy Spirit must always be our guide and he will only do so when we yield ourselves to him. Yielding ourselves to him is surrendering all that we think we know to him in absolute humility and sincerity in prayers. God will help us.

frosbel: ^^^

Nope I am not JW.

But the JWs are miles ahead of the so called holy Pentecostals.

if you're not JW which one are u? Seventh day adventist?