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Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 5:29pm On Sep 02, 2013
Frosbel, in one of the thread you mentioned something intriguing which i quote

frosbel:

Heb 1:9


How can GOD have a GOD ?
https://www.nairaland.com/1341369/anti-deity-yahshua-please-kindly-frosbel/1#16572882

I went over what you wrote, and the more i think about what you wrote up there, this question came up....but before i ask the question...

What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being


Your answer to the above can help us proceed from there...thanks
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 5:39pm On Sep 02, 2013
@op.

Almighty God can NEVER NEVER have a God.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 6:47pm On Sep 02, 2013
GOD IS DEAD, PERIOD!!!!
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 7:04pm On Sep 02, 2013
JMAN05: @op.

Almighty God can NEVER NEVER have a God.
ok now could you answer this
What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?
1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being
make your choice?
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Ajibam: 7:06pm On Sep 02, 2013
God don't have GOd...God is just a divine person in 3 dispensation

1.GOD
2.Jesus-God in man,,a man with the total fullness of God in him...
3.Holy spirit,,God is a spirit,,,that spirit dwell in you...
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 7:07pm On Sep 02, 2013
satanist: GOD IS DEAD, PERIOD!!!!
get thee behind me satan!
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 7:10pm On Sep 02, 2013
Ajibam: God don't have GOd...God is just a divine person in 3 dispensation

1.GOD
2.Jesus-God in man,,a man with the total fullness of God in him...
3.Holy spirit,,God is a spirit,,,that spirit dwell in you...

thanks but i have not given the main course yet, we are still on the appetiser. When the question above is answered then the main course will be presented grin
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 8:12pm On Sep 02, 2013
hisblud: ok now could you answer this make your choice?

The word spirit can be an impersonal force, a being, an impelling force etc.

but how does this question relate to my comment above
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 3:50pm On Sep 03, 2013
JMAN05:

The word spirit can be an impersonal force, a being, an impelling force etc.

but how does this question relate to my comment above
thanks for replying. In order words, 'spirit' can mean any of the above depending on context abi?
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 3:57pm On Sep 03, 2013
Bro, i've been following this thread. Spill this out na.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Emusan(m): 4:44pm On Sep 03, 2013
hisblud: thanks for replying. In order words, 'spirit' can mean any of the above depending on context abi?

@Hisblud you've tried enough to tell this people the truth. I marvelled when Frosbel & co open their mouth and says Jesus didn't pre-exist His birth. Only God Himself will save we christians this day.


Shalom!

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Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:23pm On Sep 03, 2013
hisblud: get thee behind me satan!

Are you in anyway refering to Saint Peter on which Jesus church was built?
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by FOLYKAZE(m): 8:24pm On Sep 03, 2013
I think when God is defined.....this whole show we conclusively end in a short time
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 9:41pm On Sep 03, 2013
hisblud: thanks for replying. In order words, 'spirit' can mean any of the above depending on context abi?

ya.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 9:44pm On Sep 03, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

Are you in anyway refering to Saint Peter on which Jesus church was built?

the church was never built on Peter.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:53pm On Sep 03, 2013
JMAN05:

the church was never built on Peter.

Christians sha

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Church was build on who there?

The same people was called satan in :

verse 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Freksy(m): 11:56pm On Sep 03, 2013
hisblud:

What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being


Your answer to the above can help us proceed from there...thanks


Contextually, the word, "spirit", can mean all of the above.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 12:43am On Sep 04, 2013
FOLYKAZE:

Christians sha

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Church was build on who there?

The same people was called satan in :

verse 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of
the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this
was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father
in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[ b ] and on this
rock
I will build my church, and the gates of Hades [c ] will not
overcome it.

On the rock which Peter has mentioned he will build the church, namely he, the Messiah. the discussion was on identitying whom Jesus is, whether he was the messiah spoken of. after which Jesus stated that the church would be built on that which Peter has mentioned.

Peter said:

" Jesus is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone". acts 4:11
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 2:24pm On Sep 04, 2013
What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being


Your answer to the above can help us proceed from there...thanks
JMAN05:

ya.

Freksy:

Contextually, the word, "spirit", can mean all of the above.

Beautiful... Now lets bring in JUST one verse and i would like you to define the context that the word "spirit" is used in that verse...

John 4:21-25

21 Jesus saith to her, 'Woman, believe me, that there doth come an hour, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, shall ye worship the Father;

22 ye worship what ye have not known; we worship what we have known, because the salvation is of the Jews;

23 but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him;

24 God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.'

25 The woman saith to him, 'I have known that Messiah doth come, who is called Christ, when that one may come, he will tell us all things;'
YLT

Ok now Jman05 and fresky, can you give us the context in which the word "Spirit" is used in verse 24 of John 4....

is it

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being

thanks... note this is still the appetizer... the answer you give will determine the main course..... wink
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 10:43pm On Sep 04, 2013
hisblud: What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being


Your answer to the above can help us proceed from there...thanks




Beautiful... Now lets bring in JUST one verse and i would like you to define the context that the word "spirit" is used in that verse...



Ok now Jman05 and fresky, can you give us the context in which the word "Spirit" is used in verse 24 of John 4....

is it



thanks... note this is still the appetizer... the answer you give will determine the main course..... wink

the service of God is not confined to a physical location. it must be not only spirited but it must be guided by God's holy spirit. with the spirit's help some deeper truths in the bible could be tapped.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 10:49pm On Sep 04, 2013
hisblud: What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being


Your answer to the above can help us proceed from there...thanks




Beautiful... Now lets bring in JUST one verse and i would like you to define the context that the word "spirit" is used in that verse...



Ok now Jman05 and fresky, can you give us the context in which the word "Spirit" is used in verse 24 of John 4....

is it



thanks... note this is still the appetizer... the answer you give will determine the main course..... wink
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Freksy(m): 10:55pm On Sep 04, 2013
hisblud: What do you believe when the bible mention the Word "spirit"? Is it any of the following?

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being


Your answer to the above can help us proceed from there...thanks




Beautiful... Now lets bring in JUST one verse and i would like you to define the context that the word "spirit" is used in that verse...



Ok now Jman05 and fresky, can you give us the context in which the word "Spirit" is used in verse 24 of John 4....
is it
thanks... note this is still the appetizer... the answer you give will determine the main course..... wink

Spirit also mean that which is invisible to human sight. It can be a being, wind etc.
John 4:24 says "God is a spirit" .... Meaning, He is invisible to human sight.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 11:24pm On Sep 04, 2013
^
The wind is a spirit? Lol
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Freksy(m): 12:10am On Sep 05, 2013
idnoble135: ^
The wind is a spirit? Lol


The wind bloweth where it listeth , and thou hearest the sound thereof , but canst not tell whence it cometh , and whither it goeth : so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8 KJV

the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.' John 3:8 YLT

The Spirit breatheth where he will; and thou hearest his voice, but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:8 (DRB)
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 6:10pm On Sep 11, 2013
JMAN05:

the service of God is not confined to a physical location. it must be not only spirited but it must be guided by God's holy spirit. with the spirit's help some deeper truths in the bible could be tapped.

Freksy:

Spirit also mean that which is invisible to human sight. It can be a being, wind etc.
John 4:24 says "God is a spirit" .... Meaning, He is invisible to human sight.

Both of you should read what you said above... you agreed that the word "Spirit" can mean any of this...

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being

I brought forth a verse for you to give the context of the word used in Jn4:24, and all i get is some confusion
24 God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.

@Fresky, btw, the word "is" is not in the original and it reads thus
24 God a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.

So which one can we rightly divide accurately and contextually to be referred to as "Spirit"

1. an impersonal force (or)
2. a mental disposition (or)
3. an attitude (or)
4. a being

Should it be
a. God an impersonal force
b. God a mental disposition
c. God a (an) attitude
d. God a Being
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 6:20am On Sep 17, 2013
Appetiser served
Should it be
a. God an impersonal force
b. God a mental disposition
c. God a (an) attitude
d. God a Being
Waiter: Am waiting for the men on the table to finish eating the appetiser, before the main course is served.

Men@table:...silent
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 4:21pm On Sep 20, 2013
How can God have a God?
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Freksy(m): 1:29am On Sep 21, 2013
hisblud:

Both of you should read what you said above... you agreed that the word "Spirit" can mean any of this...

Yes, the word "spirit" can be translated to mean any of those four things you listed.



I brought forth a verse for you to give the context of the word used in Jn4:24, and all i get is some confusion

I would say you are rather the one confused, for you make it appears spirit means just four things.


@Fresky, btw, the word "is" is not in the original and it reads thus


So which one can we rightly divide accurately and contextually to be referred to as "Spirit"

Should it be
a. God an impersonal force
b. God a mental disposition
c. God a (an) attitude
d. God a Being

None of the above

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth". John 4:24 KJV

To know the context in which the word "spirit" is used, we must answer the following questions.
1. What lead to Jesus' statement at John 4:24?
2. What does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?

I repeat, spirit can also mean: that which is invisible to human sight
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 5:03pm On Sep 21, 2013
Freksy:

Yes, the word "spirit" can be translated to mean any of those four things you listed.


Add to the list, such as ....

Freksy:
I would say you are rather the one confused, for you make it appears spirit means just four things.


oops,

Freksy:
None of the above

I now see grin !

Freksy:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth". John 4:24 KJV

To know the context in which the word "spirit" is used, we must answer the following questions.
1. What lead to Jesus' statement at John 4:24?
2. What does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?

1...Be my guest and fill in the blank spaces...

2. we are not trying to understand the manner of worship , but we want to know WHO God is?

Freksy:

I repeat, spirit can also mean: that which is invisible to human sight



Ok, this is one of the addition to your statement above....

so now..
Should it be
a. God an impersonal force
b. God a mental disposition
c. God a (an) attitude
d. God a Being
e. God a wind
f. God "that [which] is invisible to human sight"
?

which best fits the context...?
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Freksy(m): 5:23pm On Sep 21, 2013
hisblud:

Add to the list, such as ....



oops,



I now see grin !



1...Be my guest and fill in the blank spaces...

2. we are not trying to understand the manner of worship , but we want to know WHO God is?

Lol..., you forget we were talking about contextual meaning.


Ok, this is one of the addition to your statement above....

so now..
?

which best fits the context...?

Option f

God is a spirit = He is invisible to human sight.
Re: Frosbel: How Can God Have A God? by Nobody: 8:58am On Sep 23, 2013
To know the context in which the word "spirit" is used, we must answer the following questions.
1. What lead to Jesus' statement at John 4:24?
2. What does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?

I you to be y guess and you skipped 1, could you show what lead to the Jn 4:24

Lol..., you forget we were talking about contextual meaning.

you are putting the cart before the horse... lets understand the WHO [God a Spirit] before we understand HOW and WHAT [in spirit and truth]

Option f

God is a spirit = He is invisible to human sight.

Ok this is interesting...

First of all you agreed that "Spirit" can mean any of this contextually here

https://www.nairaland.com/1422575/frosbel-how-god-god#17876502

Contextually, the word, "spirit", can mean all of the above.

then you said later

Spirit also mean that which is invisible to human sight. It can be a being, wind etc.
John 4:24 says "God is a spirit" .... Meaning, He is invisible to human sight.
https://www.nairaland.com/1422575/frosbel-how-god-god#17899404

then later on to this,

Should it be
a. God an impersonal force
b. God a mental disposition
c. God a (an) attitude
d. God a Being

you said
None of the above
grin
https://www.nairaland.com/1422575/frosbel-how-god-god#18261067

then you finally added this

I repeat, spirit can also mean: that which is invisible to human sight


Dear fresky, you are agreeing that contextually, the word "spirit" in jn 4:24 cannot be any of these
Should it be
a. God an impersonal force
b. God a mental disposition
c. God a (an) attitude
d. God a Being

but this
I repeat, spirit can also mean: that which is invisible to human sight
Option f

God is a spirit = He is invisible to human sight.

?

In addition, remember, the word "is" is not in the original greek, its
24 God a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.

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