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Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(m): 8:54pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Here comes my sincere heart to my dearest brother Frosbel in your recent fight against the Holy Spirit. I believe we should be silent on issue of the Kingdom we don't fully comprehend yet. It's not everything topic of the Bible I understand myself but certainly not like that Trinity. It is true and fact that the word "Trinity" doesn't occur in the bible but it is a word used to explain the concept of The father, Son and Holy Spirit being called God and these three are distinct but one in unity and purpose of redemption. To say that the Holy Spirit don't exist is great error. All I have seen you believe in rescent time is that, God have a bodily form which makes him have a spirit and therefore there is nothing like the Holy Spirit but the spirit of God because God, the Father has a bodily form. Now, if the Father is called God, the Son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God, what then is hard to comprehend about Trinity? I don't see anything difficult therein. The bible teaches that God is Spirit and if a Spirit CANNOT have or possess another Spirit, it will therefore mean that Holy Spirit exist on its own as a distinct being. My heart goes out to you brother Frosbel to please take more time to study the concept of Trinity. If you don't fully comprehend it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What you end up doing with this new fight against the reality of the Holy Spirit is to divide the body and also attempt to put the Holy Spirit into extinction which is dangerous. I can understand the teaching of Trinity is confusing as some teachers make it look but it is not when we actually take time with the one who inspires the word of God, then we get a better understanding. I hope this helps. Thank you and God bless you. 4 Likes |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 9:05pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
[quote author=Goshen360]Here comes my sincere heart to my dearest brother Frosbel in your recent fight against the Holy Spirit. I believe we should be silent on issue of the Kingdom we don't fully comprehend yet. It's not everything topic of the Bible I understand myself but certainly not like that Trinity. It is true and fact that the word "Trinity" doesn't occur in the bible but it is a word used to explain the concept of The father, Son and Holy Spirit being called God and these three are distinct but one in unity and purpose of redemption. Distinct indeed but in what sense. To say that the Holy Spirit don't exist is great error Did I say this Wow !! All I have seen you believe in rescent time is that, God have a bodily form which makes him have a spirit I said God is a Spirit and therefore there is nothing like the Holy Spirit but the spirit of God because God, the Father has a bodily form. Now, if the Father is called God, the Son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God, what then is hard to comprehend about Trinity? I don't see anything difficult therein. Because ONLY Yahweh is the ONE GOD. Let us hear what our Lord Jesus Christ said about GOD, because you seem to be going against his teachings. Mark 12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. So if our Lord is saying that God is ONE, where are you getting these your 3 GODs from. What meant Jesus by the following statement. "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." - John 14:28 The bible teaches that God is Spirit and if a Spirit CANNOT have or possess another Spirit, it will therefore mean that Holy Spirit exist on its own as a distinct being. Wrong. God is Spirit and he pours out his Spirit on us who are his children. It is this outpouring of his Spirit that is called the Holy Spirit. My heart goes out to you brother Frosbel to please take more time to study the concept of Trinity. If you don't fully comprehend it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thanks Bro, but if I do not fully comprehend it, then there is a real problem. The Jews say God is one, and this is their tradition , do you know more than them What you end up doing with this new fight against the reality of the Holy Spirit is to divide the body and also attempt to put the Holy Spirit into extinction which is dangerous. How can God's Spirit be put into extinction Brother be careful before you blaspheme. I can understand the teaching of Trinity is confusing as some teachers make it look but it is not when we actually take time with the one who inspires the word of God, then we get a better understanding. I hope this helps. Thank you and God bless you. 1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version (KJV) 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 2 Likes |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 9:05pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
[quote author=Goshen360]Here comes my sincere heart to my dearest brother Frosbel in your recent fight against the Holy Spirit. I believe we should be silent on issue of the Kingdom we don't fully comprehend yet. It's not everything topic of the Bible I understand myself but certainly not like that Trinity. It is true and fact that the word "Trinity" doesn't occur in the bible but it is a word used to explain the concept of The father, Son and Holy Spirit being called God and these three are distinct but one in unity and purpose of redemption. Distinct indeed but in what sense. To say that the Holy Spirit don't exist is great error Did I say this Wow !! All I have seen you believe in rescent time is that, God have a bodily form which makes him have a spirit I said God is a Spirit and therefore there is nothing like the Holy Spirit but the spirit of God because God, the Father has a bodily form. Now, if the Father is called God, the Son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God, what then is hard to comprehend about Trinity? I don't see anything difficult therein. Because ONLY Yahweh is the ONE GOD. Let us hear what our Lord Jesus Christ said about GOD, because you seem to be going against his teachings. Mark 12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. So if our Lord is saying that God is ONE, where are you getting this your 3 GODs from. What meant Jesus by the following statement. "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." - John 14:28 The bible teaches that God is Spirit and if a Spirit CANNOT have or possess another Spirit, it will therefore mean that Holy Spirit exist on its own as a distinct being. Wrong. God is Spirit and he pours out his Spirit on us who are his children. It is this outpouring of his Spirit that is called the Holy Spirit. My heart goes out to you brother Frosbel to please take more time to study the concept of Trinity. If you don't fully comprehend it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Thanks Bro, but if I do not fully comprehend it, then there is a real problem. The Jews say God is one, and this is their tradition , do you know more than them What you end up doing with this new fight against the reality of the Holy Spirit is to divide the body and also attempt to put the Holy Spirit into extinction which is dangerous. How can God's Spirit be put into extinction Brother be careful before you blaspheme. I can understand the teaching of Trinity is confusing as some teachers make it look but it is not when we actually take time with the one who inspires the word of God, then we get a better understanding. I hope this helps. Thank you and God bless you. 1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version (KJV) 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 9:09pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
The Shema says, "the LORD our God, the LORD is one." In this passage, Jesus quotes the Shema. And then the scribe responds by saying, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that he is one, and there is no other but he." Jesus responds to him by saying he spoke wisely. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(m): 9:33pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
My brother Frosbel, What I witnessed you saying and responding in other threads is that, Holy Spirit is God's Spirit because God has a BODILY FORM. Hence the Holy Spirit is NOT distinct from God. Is that not what you are saying? |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 9:53pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Goshen360: My brother Frosbel, But how can God be in a bodily form when he is a Spirit I think we should end this matter, let God witness to the hearts of the faithful about the truth. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 10:41pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
An Appeal to Trinitarians from gospel truth As a former Trinitarian of many years, I would like to make an appeal to Trinitarians regarding personal integrity. Is your creedal tradition more important to you than the facts and the truth? It is obvious to me, and should be obvious to you, precisely WHO Jesus and this Jewish scribe are talking about: God the Father. The Scriptural evidence is crystal clear and tells us quite plainly that the "HE" in question is the Father, He who spoke out of the fire to Israel and promised to raise up the prophet Jesus, His servant and His Son. And this fact demonstrates that the God of Jesus is the God of Israel, and is the God of Christians, the Father alone, "there is no other but HE." Seek not the approval of men but the approval of God. 3 Likes |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 10:45pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
At times the claims of Trinitarian apologists are downright ridiculous. 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(m): 10:46pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
frosbel: Oh okay. I was asking you the same question about this because this came up from the quote you gave in the other thread. For you to say God's Spirit is the same as Holy Spirit and it is not distinct from the Holy Spirit in the Godhead means you admit God having a BODILY FORM and the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, not a third being of the Godhead. I went further to ask you, If the Holy Spirit wasn't distinct from God who is a Spirit, how then do you deny the existence of the third being of the Godhead? I will also like you to end this matter and that is why I opened this thread......your recent articles against trinity does nothing other than to divide the body of Christ especially here on this forum. Being apologetics doesn't divide the body but explains the reasons for our believe. Maybe you need to sit and relax and take another look at most of your thread about this trinity stuff being discussed recently. I trust God to strengthen you the more in the Lord. God bless you brother. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 10:48pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
At times the claims of Trinitarian apologists are downright ridiculous. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(m): 10:54pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
frosbel: An Appeal to Trinitarians from gospel truth Maybe I'm not a FULL Trinitarian. What I believe from the word of God is that, the Father being referred to as the "THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE" is in reference to the father. But my understand is since the Bible also calls the Son God and the Holy Spirit also God, then I have no problem with that and that is where my believe in Trinity stand and these three is ONE or in Unity is terms of purpose and redemption. I rather hold on to the truth rather than traditions as you called us/me unto. I pray God help us all. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 11:09pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
[quote author=Goshen360] What I believe from the word of God is that, the Father being referred to as the "THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE" Correct But my understand is since the Bible also calls the Son God Where ? and the Holy Spirit also God Where ? then I have no problem with that and that is where my believe in Trinity stand and these three is ONE or in Unity is terms of purpose and redemption. I rather hold on to the truth rather than traditions as you called us/me unto. I pray God help us all. But the 'truth' you are holding unto is the tradition of the catholic church. Brother do not fear Men but GOD. There are some false teachers here on Nairaland who will try to bully you into silence , well no one can bully me, if it is not scripture it is out, whether it has been the tradition for 1000 years I could care less. After all the bible right from the early church warned us of false teachers and a great falling away which started in the 4th century by the catholic church and is getting worse by the day. Read you bible and ask for wisdom. Do not be afraid of false teachers. Those that hold unto the truth are always in the minority with the majority hunting them down. Do you know that Christians who begged to differ with the pagan rome church were burnt alive, tortured, murdered, jailed and in may cases exiled. Be part of that few that really want to defend the faith. Majority is not always right. 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(m): 11:28pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Okay.....you have always know me for the truth. Okay. We don't have problem with the Father being called God right Okay, let's where the bible calls the Son God..... What do you think of this scripture: And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28 Kjv How do you see this? |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by OmoAlata(f): 11:35pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Yo Frosbel. I haven't read all the replies on here as I'm sleepy but before I head off to my warm duvet, talk against God, talk against Jesus (they'll forgive you) but don't talk against the holy spirit Good night. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 11:38pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Goshen360: Okay.....you have always know me for the truth. Okay. We don't have problem with the Father being called God right My Lord Jesus Christ My God - Yahweh |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Goshen360(m): 11:40pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
frosbel: Brother Frosbel......was Jesus called God in this verse or NOT? Yes or NO? Don't start game with me now....Am just starting here....I will show you and truthislight that is doing gra-gra on the other thread that the bible also calls the Holy Spirit God.......Answer my first kweshion first: Was Jesus called God in this verse or NOT? 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 11:46pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Wow Goshen360: |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Fr0sbel: 11:52pm On Sep 06, 2012 |
Goshen360: Too late to start typing essays , but please read the comment below and follow the link. Good night and God bless.
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Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 3:54pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
I will keep fighting against the TRINITY. 4 Likes |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by tevinsolt: 4:07pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
frosbel: I will keep fighting against the TRINITY. because u are not a true believer in christ, historical evidence shows clearly that the apostles believed he was God your here 2000+ years later saying you will keep fighting against trinity.....what makes you different from Muhammadians? |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 4:12pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
tevinsolt: show me where the apostles thought Jesus was GOD. Just 2 verses should suffice. Let me show you 2 of mine with more to come if you want. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ - Romans 5:17 "Brothers, listen! We are here to proclaim that through this man Jesus there is forgiveness for your sins - Acts 13:8 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - 1 Timothy 2:5 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by PastorKun(m): 4:14pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
tevinsolt: The above bolded is a blatant lie the apostles never believed Jesus was God, they clearly knew he was the son of God which makes him a divine being but he is not the same person as God the father. 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Enigma(m): 4:22pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
Historical evidence certainly shows that the apostles believed Jesus Christ to be God. First, they said so themselves in the Bible; second, the people who were taught by the apostles e.g. Polycarp also reflected this in their own writings; third, even secular (non-Christian) writers reflected this e.g. Pliny the younger saying the early Christians sang hymns to Jesus as to a God. 2 Likes |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by tevinsolt: 4:22pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
frosbel: 1. The Apostle Thomas called Jesus God. [John 20:27-29: Then He [Jesus] said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 2. The Apostle Peter called Jesus God. Peter 1:1: “Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ 3. The Apostle Paul called Jesus God. Titus 2:12b-14: “...we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.” 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by tevinsolt: 4:26pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
4. The Apostle John called Jesus God. John 1:1-3, 14: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” See verse 14 for confirmation that this reference to the "Word" is a reference to Jesus. 5. God the Father called Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8: “But to the Son He [God the Father] says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.’” 6. Isaiah the Prophet said the Messiah would be God. Isaiah 9:6: “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” God the Father, in the Old Testament, is also called “Mighty God” in Isaiah 10:21, the same title that can be ascribed to the Son of God, Jesus Christ. 7. The Jews who crucified Jesus understood Him to be saying that He was equal with God. John 5:18: “Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.” John 10:33: “The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by tevinsolt: 4:27pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
8. Jesus called Himself “I AM”, the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14). John 8:58-59: “Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.” 9. Jesus calls Himself “the Alpha and Omega,” the title of Almighty God. Revelation 22:12-13: “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 1:8: “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” 10. Like God (Gen. 1:1) Jesus created. Colossians 1:16-17: “For by Him [See context. This is speaking of Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” John 1:3: “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” Yet God says in Isaiah 44:24, “I am the LORD, who makes all things, who stretches out the heavens all alone, who spreads abroad the earth by Myself” |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 4:27pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
tevinsolt: He did not call him Yahweh, though , no ? The Apostle Peter called Jesus God. 2 seperate people here. Otherwise why do we need the operandi AND to make a clear demarcation between GOD and Christ. 3 The Apostle Paul called Jesus God. again, our Great GOD AND. Jesus Christ. Besides God's name is not Jesus Christ but Yahweh. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by tevinsolt: 4:30pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
11. Like God, Jesus forgives sin. Mark 2:5-7, 10-11: “When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.” And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” “...But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”--He said to the paralytic, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go your way to your house.” 12. Like God, Jesus gives eternal life. John 10:27-28: “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.” 13. Like God, Jesus received, receives and will receive worship. Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.” (also see Matthew 28:9, 17, John 9:37-38) Revelation 5:13: “And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Hebrews 1:6: “But when He again brings the firstborn [JESUS] into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” Jesus never rebuked any of His followers for worshiping Him and yet worship of anything or anyone other than God is absolutely forbidden in the Bible . . . Luke 4:8: “And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’” |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by tevinsolt: 4:33pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
Philippians 2:5-11 New International Version (NIV) 5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature[b] of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 4:36pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
tevinsolt: 11. Like God, Jesus forgives sin. Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself ; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does - John 5:19 John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. John 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own.Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work It is plain to ALL , that everything JESUS did was because of the Power of the Father which is his Spirit that resided in Christ without measure. "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him." - Acts 10:38 Tell us , if Jesus was GOD why did he have to be anointed with Power from GOD. |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Enigma(m): 6:28pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
tevinsolt: He has indeed been getting quite some support from a range of 'Muhammadians' on his various threads although, if you notice, the vast majority of his supporters are actually Jehovah's Witnesses with further support coming from misguided professing Christians and some non-Christians with an axe to grind. 1 Like |
Re: Brother Frosbel, Please Stop This Fight Against Trinity by Nobody: 7:08pm On Oct 06, 2012 |
^^^ true that. And he's reveling in their support. |
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