italo:

Acting the fool still...

You need the gift of discernment. Do you want me to implore Satan on your behalf?

Alfa Seltzer:

You need the gift of discernment. Do you want me to implore Satan on your behalf?

Acting the fool still...

Alfa Seltzer:

Luckily for us, Egyptian pharaohs were not catholics or we would have had a shitload of Arabic saints to add to the white ones currently plaguing our villages.

Egyptians were mummified artificially.

St. Zita and many incorruptibles were not.

That's why I said READ. You just comment without knowing a thing.

italo:

Egyptians were mummified artificially.

St. Zita and many incorruptibles were not.

That's why I said READ. You just comment without knowing a thing.

How do you know the bolded?

italo:

Acting the fool still...

It's not too late to start using your brain.

Alfa Seltzer:

How do you know the bolded?

Scientists testified after examining the bodies, years, decades or sometimes centuries after their deaths.

That's why I said READ.

Alfa Seltzer:

It's not too late to start using your brain.

I'm not the one acting the fool naa.. its you. Thats what you said.

italo:

I'm not the one acting the fool naa.. its you. Thats what you said.

It is necessary for me to come to your level in order to be understood, thus the acting. However a spirit of discernment will really help you out. Satan is still open to requests.

Peter had one wish,to meet the Pope.he probably had envisoned his healing through the Pope.anybody working with God could have healed him.to all those still in doubt unless u believe u would not recieve.it has to come from you!

italo:

A miracle is an occurrence that defies the laws of nature through God's intervention.

E.g: the bodies of saints remaining without decomposition after centuries of their deaths.

What century are living in? Did get caught in some kind of time warp phenomenom?

italo:

Scientists testified after examining the bodies, years, decades or sometimes centuries after their deaths.

That's why I said READ.

Pls offer us a reference so that we can read it up. If what you say is true fact, the publication should be easily available.
I am eagerly waiting.

italo:

Independent scientists with 'high IQs' have confirmed many miracles.

You havent read that far, have you?

References pls!

Dastim: pope benedict xvi is a man inded nt even ordinary man bt a servant of God indeed

All the pedo.phil.e. priests were also servants of god. Not so?

italo:

What sources are you reading from?

Enemies of the Church, I'm sure.

For only an enemy will dubiously exaggerate the bad things we have done, lie that we did things we didnt do and refuse to acknowledge that we are the largest providers of charity in the world. No one els e comes close.

What have you done for the good of the world?

Are you denying al the allegations?
Allegations that the catholic church accepts as part of their shameful past, and much of which they have apologized

Alfa Seltzer:

It is necessary for me to come to your level in order to be understood, thus the acting. However a spirit of discernment will really help you out. Satan is still open to requests.

Still acting the fool, right?

papie123:
so am usually not some one to comment on religion but i really need to chip in some thing here, technology can be explained....miracles CANT!!.. i think the other guy calling you satan is really harsh...

To early humans who understood nothing about their environment, everything would have been a miracle. To my grandmother, the mobile phone is miraculous thing, skype is the ultimate witchcraft, organ transplant is divine work.
When we. Know and adapt, the it becomes part of our catalogue of knowledge.
The fact Italo and other religious people are so desperate fore miracles, once again, shows that they are conflicted in their minds, and so desperately need myths, fairy tales and contrived miracles to shore up their ever waning and doubtful faith.
Faith=Doubt
This is what I been screaming from the rooftop.

plaetton:

Are you denying al the allegations?
Allegations that the catholic church accepts as part of their shameful past, and much of which they have apologized

Are you denying that lies have been told against the Catholic Church and its bad deeds exaggerated while its good deeds ignored?

Note: that one apologizes doesnt mean that one is guilty of evil. Even where one is guilty, it doesnt mean that the event could not have been exaggerated.

italo:

Still acting the fool, right?

How else would you understand me?

plaetton:

References pls!

Start with the reference to the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe I gave earlier.

Alfa Seltzer:

How else would you understand me?

I dont know anyone who understands you, whether you are acting a fool or not.

Maybe you are the only human with high IQ.

Or maybe you're the only one with low IQ.

italo:

I dont know anyone who understands you, whether you are acting a fool or not.

Maybe you are the only human with high IQ.

Or maybe you're the only one with low IQ.

Even after stooping so low you have a problem understanding me, I just wonder how low your your intelligence is. You really need Satan.

Alfa Seltzer:

Even after stooping so low you have a problem understanding me, I just wonder how low your your intelligence is. You really need Satan.

It is ZERO.

Yet you have been talking to me all day.

italo:

It is ZERO.

Yet you have been talking to me all day.

I am selfless.

italo:

Start with the reference to the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe I gave earlier.

If you invoke science or scientists to substantiate a claim, you must give scientific reference in a peer reviewed scientific journal, not some crackpot religious website.

Only a very desperate religious doubter would offer reference to a religious body to substantiate a religious claim.
What a slowpoke

Na nna gi bu slowpoke >: better leave italo and stay out of catholic threads,u and alfa or wateva his silly name is are Foooooooooools

plaetton:

If you invoke science or scientists to substantiate a claim, you must give scientific reference in a peer reviewed scientific jourMay, not some crackpot religious website.

Only a very desperate religious doubter would offer reference to a religious body to substantiate a religious claim.
What a slowpoke

peppy luv: Na nna gi bu slowpoke >: better leave italo and stay out of catholic threads,u and alfa or wateva his silly name is are Foooooooooools

butthurt?

Alfa Seltzer:

butthurt?

Butthurt confirmed!

peppy luv: Na nna gi bu slowpoke >: better leave italo and stay out of catholic threads,u and alfa or wateva his silly name is are Foooooooooools

Nwanyi oma.
You wan look for my trouble?

Alfa Seltzer:

butthurt?

Italo and his gang are suffering from the benign, but sometimes serious ailment called Religilous Decoherence. A brain disease that effects those that attempt to use intellectual sophistry to wash away the contradictions of religious belief.

Definition:
Religious decoherence occurs when the carefully woven myths,lies and fraud of religion meets face to face with the brick firewalls of common sense, reason and critical thought.

When this happens, fabrics of religious myth loose their coherence, their stability and then begin to waver towards ill logic, and disjointed sophistry.
As the situation deteriorates, the sufferer slides into rants , babbles and then a final recourse to invoke the "Spiritual" card in an attempt to escape the stinging and burning rays of common sense and reason.

When that fails, the victim would ultimately resort to name calling and threats of eternal hellfire.

italo:

Miracles happen minute in the Catholic Church. It's just that we dont use them as a marketing tool.

Bless you for this. The Catholic Church makes no noise about the miracles. It's Christ doing the healing through his clerics.

plaetton:

If you invoke science or scientists to substantiate a claim, you must give scientific reference in a peer reviewed scientific journal, not some crackpot religious website.

Only a very desperate religious doubter would offer reference to a religious body to substantiate a religious claim.
What a slowpoke

www.enea.it/en/publications/abstract/Proceedings-of-the-International-Workshop-on-the-Scientific-Approach-to-the-Acheiropoietos-images

The Shroud of Turin, Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe and the Veil of Manoppello have been peer-reviewed, yet scientists cannot show that they are of human origin.

All these images are there for skeptics like you to examine. If you refuse to examine, how is that our problem?

Also read about the Lourdes Medical Bureau that rigorously examines every purported miracle at Lourdes through the intercession of Mary. All miracles are peer-reviewed and any doctor or scientist is welcome to join the bureau including Atheists. Even you can join (if you are a doctor).

You can start from wikipedia:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Medical_Bureau

When you are done reading, you will definitely bring up another excuse.

italo:

www.enea.it/en/publications/abstract/Proceedings-of-the-International-Workshop-on-the-Scientific-Approach-to-the-Acheiropoietos-images

The Shroud of Turin, Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe and the Veil of Manoppello have been peer-reviewed, yet scientists cannot show that they are of human origin.

All these images are there for skeptics like you to examine. If you refuse to examine, how is that our problem?

Also read about the Lourdes Medical Bureau that rigorously examines every purported miracle at Lourdes through the intercession of Mary. All miracles are peer-reviewed and any doctor or scientist is welcome to join the bureau including Atheists. Even you can join (if you are a doctor).

You can start from wikipedia:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Medical_Bureau

When you are done reading, you will definitely bring up another excuse.

The shroud of turin is dated to the medievel times after the death of Jesus. There is nothing miraculous about it.

What is the miracle? An 11th century man's image appeared on a piece of cloth? We all know that there is now way that is Jesus on there