Bidam:
. Atleast vooks aka shdemidemi was correct. The jewish christians still practiced child dedication long after Jesus had left the scene.

na wa for you o.

looku and laafu thingz

shdemidemi:


na wa for you o.

looku and laafu thingz

God don catch you, oya make you tell vooks to answer sharp sharp na..why use one monicker before switching to another...see time lapse.

Bidam:
God don catch you, oya make you tell vooks to answer sharp sharp na..why use one monicker before switching to another...see time lapse.

You suppose know say I no go join you for this kind discussion any more. I believe you should have outgrown this kind matter na. You just dey fall my hand everyday.

shdemidemi:


You suppose know say I no go join you for this kind discussion any more. I believe you should have outgrown this kind matter na. You just dey fall my hand everyday.

which kin matter? Who are the first primitve church? The jews? Or gentiles? Choose one.

Bidam:
which kin matter? Who are the first primitve church? The jews? Or gentiles? Choose one.

I believe we have talked about the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God.

I also believe we have talked about the messianic church of the jews and the church which represent the mystical body of Christ.

You should know the difference between a jewish temple and an assembly of believers.

The earthly and the heavenly.

Find your answer, its right there.

Primitive Church refers to First century believers whether Jews,proselytes or Gentiles. Primitive refers to early or old not derogatory for backward

Can you see that Torah was kept by Jewish Christians while care was taken not to impose any of it on Gentiles (you and vooks)other than the four essential things mentioned in Acts 15?

If your basis for child dedication is Jewish Christians keeping it, please don't stop at that, circumcise too,take Nazirite vows, observe the Feasts, Passover,Tabernacles, offer sacrifices as well.

These people whom God entrusted with inspiration of New Testament never imposed Torah on Gentiles regardless of whatever spiritual significance it's rites and practices carried. They certainly NEVER had child dedication among Gentiles in the first century. It was not until hundreds of years later that Catholicism introduced infant baptism as a Christisn parallel to Torah baby dedication. This makes dedication a tradition, a late tradition just like tithing.

I noticed you are too embarrassed to admit dedication is a LATE Christian tradition. You are an angry and now dishonest. Please remember that God resists the proud, humble yourself and accept the Truth. It is very liberating. Shalom

Bidam:
Who are the first century primitive christians Jews or gentiles.

shdemidemi:


I believe we have talked about the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God.

I also believe we have talked about the messianic church of the jews and the church which represent the mystical body of Christ.

You should know the difference between a jewish temple and an assembly of believers.

The earthly and the heavenly.

Find your answer, its right there.

SMH!

Welcome back from your sabbatical. Pls do save your write up for the gullible. You asked a question and i answered. Pls could you answer mine in all honesty? Who are the first converts at pentecost you called primitive christians? Is it jews or is it gentiles? Who are the FIRST to partake of the LORD'S TABLE.?

vooks:
Primitive Church refers to First century believers whether Jews,proselytes or Gentiles. Primitive refers to early or old not derogatory for backward

Can you see that Torah was kept by Jewish Christians while care was taken not to impose any of it on Gentiles (you and vooks)other than the four essential things mentioned in Acts 15?

If your basis for child dedication is Jewish Christians keeping it, please don't stop at that, circumcise too,take Nazirite vows, observe the Feasts, Passover,Tabernacles, offer sacrifices as well.

These people whom God entrusted with inspiration of New Testament never imposed Torah on Gentiles regardless of whatever spiritual significance it's rites and practices carried. They certainly NEVER had child dedication among Gentiles in the first century. It was not until hundreds of years later that Catholicism introduced infant baptism as a Christisn parallel to Torah baby dedication. This makes dedication a tradition, a late tradition just like tithing.

I noticed you are too embarrassed to admit dedication is a LATE Christian tradition. You are an angry and now dishonest. Please remember that God resists the proud, humble yourself and accept the Truth. It is very liberating. Shalom

I have answered your question but I will gladly do it again
primitive Christians were Jews,Gentiles and proselytes believers of the first century

I humbly request you my brother to refute ANY of what I have stated

Bidam:
Welcome back from your sabbatical. Pls do save your write up for the gullible. You asked a question and i answered. Pls could you answer mine in all honesty? Who are the first converts at pentecost you called primitive christians? Is it jews or is it gentiles? Who are the FIRST to partake of the LORD'S TABLE.?

No, you did not, you are being dishonest and wayward here, it actually took quite A LENGTH OF PERIOD before gentiles came into the fold and that is in Acts 10. Now the question Mr.vooks which you started and are deliberately dodging in all your gimmicks to trap me is...WHO ARE THE FIRST CONVERTS you called "primitive christians" after pentecost?

vooks:
I have answered your question but I will gladly do it again
primitive Christians were Jews,Gentiles and proselytes believers of the first century

I humbly request you my brother to refute ANY of what I have stated

Sir I beg to differ, there were Gentiles in Christ long before Cornelius. A good example is the Ethiopian Eunuch. Do you also recall the Hellenists who murmured that jews neglected their widows?

Acts 6:1,5 English Standard Version (ESV)
Now in these days when the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint by the Hellenists[a] arose against the Hebrews because their widows were being neglected in the daily distribution.

5 And what they said pleased the whole gathering, and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolaus, a proselyte of Antioch.

Proselytes are Gentiles who had converted to Judaism and had been circumcised. They kept the Torah as much as any Jew. We see a sizeable number of them now converting to Christianity LONG before Cornelius.

To answer your question, the FIRST converts were Jews and Gentile proselytes or those who followed Judaism/Torah. I would say the proselytes were fewer than the jews among the first converts.

My brother, I am not the devil, I have no intention of ensnaring you. Please allow scriptures to minister to you

Bidam:
No, you did not, you are being dishonest and wayward here, it actually took quite A LENGTH OF PERIOD before gentiles came into the fold and that is in Acts 10. Now the question Mr.vooks which you started and are deliberately dodging in all your gimmicks to trap me is...WHO ARE THE FIRST CONVERTS you called "primitive christians" after pentecost?

You just love to dribble sha. A yes or no would have done this home work na.SMH!

vooks:
Sir I beg to differ, there were Gentiles in Christ long before Cornelius. A good example is the Ethiopian Eunuch. Do you also recall the Hellenists who murmured that jews neglected their widows?

Acts 6:1,5 English Standard Version (ESV)
Now in these days when the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint by the Hellenists[a] arose against the Hebrews because their widows were being neglected in the daily distribution.

5 And what they said pleased the whole gathering, and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolaus, a proselyte of Antioch.

Proselytes are Gentiles who had converted to Judaism and had been circumcised. They kept the Torah as much as any Jew. We see a sizeable number of them now converting to Christianity LONG before Cornelius.

The scripture is clear as noon day that cornelius house is the starting place in which the gentiles came in.All other inferences you made concerning hellenistic jews and ethopians are your opinions.Scriptures did not call them gentiles.

To answer your question, the FIRST converts were Jews and Gentile proselytes or those who followed Judaism/Torah. I would say the proselytes were fewer than the jews among the first converts.

Scriptures did not say Jews and gentiles. You did. I am surprised that as an advocate of dispensation and replacement theology you will be writing this. Paul was clear " He said THE JEWS FIRST then THE GENTILES"( Rom 1 :16).

My brother, I am not the devil, I have no intention of ensnaring you. Please allow scriptures to minister to you

Stop being sanctimonius on my thread. Folks who don't know you in other threads would assume that. I am not taken in by your outward show of piety.

My brother,
Why are you always angry?

The reason a YES/NO would not do is because those are not the ONLY options and you are forcing me into a false dilemma.
Scriptures don't say Hellenistic Jews but Hellenists which means Greeks. But granted that I may be wrong and that the Ethiopian was a Jew and the Hellenists were also Jew, what do you have to say about Nicolaus the proselyte who was as Spirit filled as Stephen?

What happened in Cornelius was the Spirit FIRST came upon Gentiles who were not following Mosaic law. This is why Peter was surprised. He had seen Nicolaus among others Gentiles operating in the GIfts but they were proselytes/ 'Jews'

What Romans 1:16 says MUST be interpreted in the light of Acts. We go to Acts and find Jews coming to Christ, we also find proselytes before Gentiles proper come to Christ. So Paul is saying the gospel came to those UNDER Moses first and then those not UNDER Moses

You can disregard my 'outward piety' and stick to scriptures. forget my name as well. Stick to scriptures.

Bidam:
You just love to dribble sha. A yes or no would have done this home work na.SMH! The scripture is clear as noon day that cornelius house is the starting place in which the gentiles came in.All other inferences you made concerning hellenistic jews and ethopians are your opinions.Scriptures did not call them gentiles.
Scriptures did not say Jews and gentiles. You did. I am surprised that as an advocate of dispensation and replacement theology you will be writing this. Paul was clear " He said THE JEWS FIRST then THE GENTILES"( Rom 1 :16).
Stop being sanctimonius on my thread. Folks who don't know you in other threads would assume that. I am not taken in by your outward show of piety.

vooks:
My brother,
Why are you always angry?

i wonder what gave you such impressions This is the fourth time you are making such unfounded allegations. I may be irritated by your write ups but why should i be angry? What for?

The reason a YES/NO would not do is because those are not the ONLY options and you are forcing me into a false dilemma.

They are your ONLY options, as far as scripture is concerned.

Scriptures don't say Hellenistic Jews but Hellenists which means Greeks. But granted that I may be wrong and that the Ethiopian was a Jew and the Hellenists were also Jew, what do you have to say about Nicolaus the proselyte who was as Spirit filled as Stephen?

Scripture NEVER called them gentiles either. Or why do you think they are divided into circumcision and uncircumcision group? Was Nicolaus not a circumcised jew?

What happened in Cornelius was the Spirit FIRST came upon Gentiles who were not following Mosaic law. This is why Peter was surprised. He had seen Nicolaus among others Gentiles operating in the GIfts but they were proselytes/ 'Jews'

Sorry these are your opinions. Nicolaus was a Jew, you do not know whether he had a Jewish father or Mother.

What Romans 1:16 says MUST be interpreted in the light of Acts. We go to Acts and find Jews coming to Christ, we also find proselytes before Gentiles proper come to Christ. So Paul is saying the gospel came to those UNDER Moses first and then those not UNDER Moses

You can disregard my 'outward piety' and stick to scriptures. forget my name as well. Stick to scriptures.

Ok, your opinions is duly noted.

You always make angry posts. Relax bro, this is not a matter of death and life

Please study the meaning of the word PROSELYTE here http://biblehub.com/greek/4339.htm . It means Gentiles converted to Judaism. You don't have Jewish proselytes sir. Hoping this verse will help with the understanding;

Matthew 23:15 English Standard Version (ESV)
15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell[a] as yourselves.

Now, the point is Mosaic practices were practiced by Jews obviously and after pentecost, we find Jews persisting in some of these practices.....going to the temple,Vows,Feasts,Sabbath and so forth. They were NEVER imposed on the Gentiles at any point and when some attempted, a Council was convened in Acts 15 to resolve this.

We can therefore conclude that NO Jewish/Mosaic practices were kept by Gentiles of the primitive church. Things like tithing and child dedication/baptism were introduced into Christianity hundreds of years after pentecost. It is not that they had them but they stopped, they never had them in the first place.

Whenever people say your opinion is noted, they are telling you to shut up. I have but I request you to examine any of my statements and disprove what am saying. Am free to learn from you sir as the Spirit reveals to you. I don't know everything.

Bidam:
i wonder what gave you such impressions This is the fourth time you are making such unfounded allegations. I may be irritated by your write ups but why should i be angry? What for?
They are your ONLY options, as far as scripture is concerned.
Scripture NEVER called them gentiles either. Or why do you think they are divided into circumcision and uncircumcision group? Was Nicolaus not a circumcised jew?
Sorry these are your opinions. Nicolaus was a Jew, you do not know whether he had a Jewish father or Mother.
Ok, your opinions is duly noted.

vooks:
You always make angry posts. Relax bro, this is not a matter of death and life

Are my forceful words stinging you like the prop you like the prophets of old? , You too should realx and stop making a false premise.

Please study the meaning of the word PROSELYTE here http://biblehub.com/greek/4339.htm . It means Gentiles converted to Judaism. You don't have Jewish proselytes sir. Hoping this verse will help with the understanding;

The issue is not about a proselyte, i know who a proselyte is. The issue is about acts 10 which you keep on shifting, going wide off the mark and quoting irrelevancies here.You must understand that the eunuch from Ethiopia was not considered a “Gentile” in the sense that Cornelius and his household were Gentiles (Acts 10:45). Cornelius and his household were uncircumcised Gentiles who were considered by the Jews to be unclean (Acts 10:28); proselytes, on the other hand, were granted fellowship by the Jews (i.e., they were not unclean; cf. Acts 2:10; 13:43). Following the conversion of Cornelius and his household, “the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. That is when gentiles came into the fold and not the other way round except you want to re- write another version of the bible.

Matthew 23:15 English Standard Version (ESV)
15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell[a] as yourselves.

Now, the point is Mosaic practices were practiced by Jews obviously and after pentecost, we find Jews persisting in some of these practices.....going to the temple,Vows,Feasts,Sabbath and so forth. They were NEVER imposed on the Gentiles at any point and when some attempted, a Council was convened in Acts 15 to resolve this.

Irrelevant and inconsequential to my question,

We can therefore conclude that NO Jewish/Mosaic practices were kept by Gentiles of the primitive church. Things like tithing and child dedication/baptism were introduced into Christianity hundreds of years after pentecost. It is not that they had them but they stopped, they never had them in the first place.

This is thrash and in no way answer the question i posed earlier.

Whenever people say your opinion is noted, they are telling you to shut up. I have but I request you to examine any of my statements and disprove what am saying. Am free to learn from you sir as the Spirit reveals to you. I don't know everything.

What do you expect me to say when you keep posting thrash and irrelevancies that in no way address my question posed to you after i answered yours.

My brother,
A few facts you want to ponder;
1. Jewish Christians in the first century practiced Torah to varying extents
2. They were careful not to impose any of these practices on their fellow Christian Gentiles
3. Mosaic Baby dedications was modified into infant baptism among Christians hundreds of years AFTER Pentecost

If you have anything else to add, or if you want to dispute please reply otherwise we are done here.

Thank you for your time and accept my apologies for any offence caused by my posts here on NL. Cheers bro

Bidam:
Are my forceful words stinging you like the prop you like the prophets of old? , You too should realx and stop making a false premise.
The issue is not about a proselyte, i know who a proselyte is. The issue is about acts 10 which you keep on shifting, going wide off the mark and quoting irrelevancies here.You must understand that the eunuch from Ethiopia was not considered a “Gentile” in the sense that Cornelius and his household were Gentiles (Acts 10:45). Cornelius and his household were uncircumcised Gentiles who were considered by the Jews to be unclean (Acts 10:28); proselytes, on the other hand, were granted fellowship by the Jews (i.e., they were not unclean; cf. Acts 2:10; 13:43). Following the conversion of Cornelius and his household, “the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. That is when gentiles came into the fold and not the other way round except you want to re- write another version of the bible.
Irrelevant and inconsequential to my question,
This is thrash and in no way answer the question i posed earlier.
What do you expect me to say when you keep posting thrash and irrelevancies that in no way address my question posed to you after i answered yours.

vooks:
My brother,
A few facts you want to ponder;
1. Jewish Christians in the first century practiced Torah to varying extents
2. They were careful not to impose any of these practices on their fellow Christian Gentiles
3. Mosaic Baby dedications was modified into infant baptism among Christians hundreds of years AFTER Pentecost

If you have anything else to add, or if you want to dispute please reply otherwise we are done here.

Thank you for your time and accept my apologies for any offence caused by my posts here on NL. Cheers bro

Ok, thanks for your opinions once again. Not that i agree.

What dont you agree with and why?

Bidam:
Ok, thanks for your opinions once again. Not that i agree.

vooks:
What dont you agree with and why?

Ok, first do you agree that the folks you call primitive Christians were the first to partake at the Lord's table before the gentiles came on the scene?

Have it your way.
Which of my points do you disagree with?

Bidam:
Ok, first do you agree that the folks you call primitive Christians were the first to partake at the Lord's table before the gentiles came on the scene?

vooks:
Have it your way.
Which of my points do you disagree with?

If you do not agree, it destroys the foundation of your theology.

Thank you for taking your time to warn me about my theology foundations. You are one of a kind my brother.

Now, what statement don't you agree with?

Bidam:
If you do not agree, it destroys the foundation of your theology.

^^^ Never mind, i am tired of circular arguments.

You can only stretch illogic and puny wisdom as far

Bidam:
^^^ Never mind, i am tired of circular arguments.

vooks:
You can only stretch illogic and puny wisdom as far

Thanks and God bless you mr wisdom personified.

have a fabulous Weekend especially the Lord's Day my brother mrs sarcasm incarnate

Bidam:
Thanks and God bless you mr wisdom personified.

vooks:
have a fabulous Weekend especially the Lord's Day my brother mrs sarcasm incarnate

Thanks, Give it a rest will you? why are you following me like a female dog on heat?

We have moved from chauvinist jokes to dogs....SMH I call that Darwinian Evolution unraveling infront of my eyes

Bidam:
Thanks, Give it a rest will you? why are you following me like a female dog on heat?

SMH! Some folks just never learn.

vooks:
We have moved from chauvinist jokes to dogs....SMH I call that Darwinian Evolution unraveling infront of my eyes

Bidam:
Thanks, Give it a rest will you? why are you following me like a female dog on heat?

Bidam:
Don't be a pecksniffian and stop prevaricating issues here. It's quite silly of you to jump into the thread when it's best suit your fanciful agenda and to keep quiet when you have no reasonable thing to contribute since you are a troll and mischief maker. You brought my attention to this dead thread and here you are playing sanctimonioulsy to the gallery.

Unlike you vooks wasn't economical with the truth, he conceded the jewish christians did practice the mosaic law even after pentecost. The question he asked if you care to follow the discuss was whether primitive christians practised child dedication, initially i thought he was reffering to catholics not until later, i realise he was talking about the jews... Like peter,james and the rest.

Read that verse again without your prejudice learn. Atleast vooks aka shdemidemi was correct. The jewish christians still practiced child dedication long after Jesus had left the scene.

*in Vook's voice* why are you always angry?

christemmbassey:
*in Vook's voice* why are you always angry?

*in bidam's posts* why are you a copy cat? can't you be original for once?