Fulaman198:

Those are Fulani

But they call themselves Wodaabe - or is it the same thing?

Efemena_xy:

Yep, exactly!

Are these tribes the same as the ones being discussed by the thread starter? And do we have any of these tribes in Northern Nigeria? Are they completely different to the Fulanis?

No no, this thread is about Wolof people who live in Senegal and the Gambia

Efemena_xy:

But they call themselves Wodaabe - or is it the same thing?

There are about 100 Fulani sub groups. In Fulfulde language Wodaabe means people who do things that are taboo or bad. Woda means taboo or bad in Fulani language.

thiendella:
No no, this thread is about Wolof people who live in Senegal and the Gambia

Sorry Thiendella, did not mean to compromise your thread

Fulaman198:

Sorry Thiendella, did not mean to compromise your thread

Oh it's ok

Nuru Kane of Senegal, Wolof musician

Arrgghhh!!

This is so confusing! I'm going to need you guys to break this down in bits for me, abeg...

Okay, so we have the Fulani tribe - but it's diverse and there are many variants of them (if I understood this correctly)

The Wodaabe are not the same as the Wolof people who live in Senegal / Gambia

Mbororo is another variant of the Fulani tribe, found mostly in Niger, Nigeria, Cameroon and the Chad republic.

Question though: Why would they call themselves people who do taboo or bad things? Is that what they call themselves or what others call them? And if so, why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeCDlYxwPBU&

thiendella:
No no, this thread is about Wolof people who live in Senegal and the Gambia

Ah! Okay.

Don't laugh, but I've just got to ask this - The Wolof people, are they neighbours with the Mandika tribe?

I read Alex Haley's famous story, Roots, about his ancestor - Kunta Kinte who was of Mandika origin.

Fulaman198:

Nuru Kane of Senegal, Wolof musician

I think he is toucouleur

Efemena_xy: Arrgghhh!!

This is so confusing! I'm going to need you guys to break this down in bit for me, abeg...

Okay, so we have the Fulani tribe - but it's diverse and there are many variants of them (if I understood this correctly)

The Wodaabe are not the same as the Wolof people who live in Senegal / Gambia

Mbororo is another variant of the Fulani tribe, found mostly in Niger, Nigeria, Cameroon and the Chad republic.

Question though: Why would they call themselves people who do taboo or bad things? Is that what they call themselves or what others call them? And if so, why?

It was other Fulani that called them Wodaabe because they practice things not related to Islam, like Gerewol. Yes, like every ethnic group in West Africa, Fulani people are diverse and have several groups. Mbororo'en are nomadic Fulani. The Wodaabe Fulani are still nomadic. They are not the only nomadic Fulani group though. Therefore, the Wodaabe are one of the 20 or so Fulani groups that are Mbororo'en.

thiendella:
I think he is toucouleur

He can speak Fulfulde/Pular, but in that interview, he said his mother tongue is wolof.

Fulaman198:

It was other Fulani that called them Wodaabe because they practice things not related to Islam, like Gerewol. Yes, like every ethnic group in West Africa, Fulani people are diverse and have several groups. Mbororo'en are nomadic Fulani. The Wodaabe Fulani are still nomadic. They are not the only nomadic Fulani group though. Therefore, the Wodaabe are one of the 20 or so Fulani groups that are Mbororo'en.

Ah! I see.

But what's Gerewol?

Efemena_xy:

Ah! Okay.

Don't laugh, but I've just got to ask this - The Wolof people, are they neighbours with the Mandika tribe?

I read Alex Haley's famous story, Roots, about his ancestor - Kunta Kinte who was of Mandika origin.

Lol there's nothing to laugh about . Wolof and Mandinka are neighbours, wolofs live to the noth from the centre while the mandinkas live a little more in the south , from the Gambia to Bissau Guinea, in KaaBu kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaabu

Efemena_xy:

Ah! I see.

But what's Gerewol?

If you would like to know, you can PM me, it's very detailed

Efemena_xy:

Ah! I see.

But what's Gerewol?

in islam a woman cant chose her husband.

However in Fulani (Mbororo culture) , young men literally auction themselves for women in the Gerhewol Ceremony.

The women then chose the man of their choice and they either go into the bush and "have fun", OR they marry.


In islam this is haram.


The Mbororo (Woodabe) are almost completely devoid of foreign/islamic influence.

Fulaman198:

He can speak Fulfulde/Pular, but in that interview, he said his mother tongue is wolof.

Hmm his mom gotta be wolof so, I also noticed Toucouleurs from Podor speak wolof in everyday life or mix the 2 languages while the ones from Matam only speak Pular.

PAGAN 9JA:


in islam a woman cant chose her husband.

However in Fulani (Mbororo culture) , young men literally auction themselves for women in the Gerhewol Ceremony.

The women then chose the man of their choice and they either go into the bush and "have fun", OR they marry.


In islam this is haram.


The Mbororo (Woodabe) are almost completely devoid of foreign/islamic influence.

Lol let's not bring your paganism into this :-)

thiendella:
Hmm his mom gotta be wolof so, I also noticed Toucouleurs from Podor speak wolof in everyday life or mix the 2 languages while the ones from Matam only speak Pular

That's very nice information, did you watch the video?

PAGAN 9JA:


in islam a woman cant chose her husband.

However in Fulani (Mbororo culture) , young men literally auction themselves for women in the Gerhewol Ceremony.

The women then chose the man of their choice and they either go into the bush and "have fun", OR they marry.


In islam this is haram.


The Mbororo (Woodabe) are almost completely devoid of foreign/islamic influence.

Yeah, this is more like it!

I watched a video online about this Gerhewol ceremony. I think it's unique and not enough reason to castigate an entire tribe for. Love that culture...but the men look a bit creepy with the whites of their eyes protruding that way - no offence intended here though.

Efemena_xy:

Yeah, this is more like it!

I watched a video online about this Gerhewol ceremony. I think it's unique and not enough reason to castigate an entire tribe for. Love that culture...but the men look a bit creepy with the whites of their eyes protruding that way - no offence intended here though.

It is all about perspective friend.

thiendella:
Lol there's nothing to laugh about . Wolof and Mandinka are neighbours, wolofs live to the noth from the centre while the mandinkas live a little more in the south , from the Gambia to Bissau Guinea, in KaaBu kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaabu

Okay, understood - thanks

Efemena_xy:

Yeah, this is more like it!

I watched a video online about this Gerhewol ceremony. I think it's unique and not enough reason to castigate an entire tribe for. Love that culture...but the men look a bit creepy with the whites of their eyes protruding that way - no offence intended here though.

It is spelled as gerewol, there is no 'he' pronunciation in Fulani language

Hey Fulaman check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAnhY5V8Txk

Fulaman198:

It is spelled as gerewol, there is no 'he' pronunciation in Fulani language

Okay, gerewol

I know very little about the Fulani culture as it's so far from mine, but the little I know sounds intriguing. Would like to watch a clip of you guys' folk songs / music. Have you got any to share?

Or better still, any home videos based on the (Nigerian) Fulani culture?

Efemena_xy:

Okay, gerewol

I know very little about the Fulani culture as it's so far from mine, but the little I know sounds intriguing. Would like to watch a clip of you guys' folk songs / music. Have you got any to share?

Or better still, any home videos based on the (Nigerian) Fulani culture?

what is your culture?

Fulaman198:

That's very nice information, did you watch the video?

Yes, he said his mom is malian and senegalese.

PAGAN 9JA:


It is all about perspective friend.

True that.

@ Thiendella, sorry to digress but I've just got to ask PAGAN 9JA this: What aspect of paganism do you practise? Is it Yoruba based?

Efemena_xy:

True that.

@ Thiendella, sorry to digress but I've just got to ask PAGAN 9JA this: What aspect of paganism do you practise? Is it Yoruba based?

No. Hausa.

PAGAN 9JA:


what is your culture?

Deep south - Delta - Isoko (similar to the Urhobos, Itsekeris and Ijaws)

PAGAN 9JA:


No. Hausa.

You guys still managed to maintain that??

I was under the impression that Islam doesn't condone it and being from up north, then that culture / religious practice will be hundreds thousands of years old! How d'you guys manage to retain it??

thiendella: Hey Fulaman check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAnhY5V8Txk

Wow, they started speaking fouta tooro Pular/fulfulde when discussing the dressing at 6:30