Why would someone be proud of being something about which they had no choice? No-one had a choice about their skin-colour, nationality, tribe, gender or sexual orientation. None of these are attributes are earned by the endeavours of the individual. So why should one be proud of these attributes that are not the result of one's own endeavours?

The notion of "proud to be" should be rightly associated with one's achievements. For instance, I am proud to be a good and diligent employee, a good friend, a good husband, a good father, a good sportsman, a good citizen. These are my achievements and am very proud of them. I am not proud to be African, no more than an Englishman should be proud of being English, a Frenchman proud of being French.

What personal successes are you proud to have achieved?

Let's perform the following thought experiment;

1) Which of the following peoples should be proud of themselves and why ?

a) French
b) Japanese
c) Namibians
d) Nigerians
e) Native Australians
f) Native South Americans
g) Icelanders
h) Egyptians


2) Which of the following peoples should NOT be proud of themselves and why ?

a) French
b) Japanese
c) Namibians
d) Nigerians
e) Native Australians
f) Native South Americans
g) Icelanders
h) Egyptians

3) Are you proud to a man instead of a woman? Or are you proud to be a woman instead of a man?



4) Should George W Bush, the President of the USA, make a comment to the effect of "I am white and proud of it"? How do you think that statement would go down in US?

5) Should Barack Obama make a comment to the effect "I am black and proud of it"? How would that be taken in the US political field?

I'm proud not to be white.

huxley:

Why would someone be proud of being something about which they had no choice? No-one had a choice about their skin-colour, nationality or tribe. None of these are attributes are earned by the endeavours of the individual. So why should one be proud of these attributes that are not the result of one's own endeavours?

The notion of "proud to be" should be rightly associated with one's achievements. For instance, I am proud to be a good and diligent employee, a good friend, a good husband, a good father, a good sportsman, a good citizen. These are my achievements and am very proud of them. I am not proud to be African, no more than an Englishman should be proud of being English, a Frenchman proud of being French.

What personal successes are you proud to have achieved?

Well shit you're right. I recently had a discussion about this. I still stick with the opinion that it is a natural phenomenon.

YOUR culture is WHO YOU ARE!!!

There are some THINGS about it that is very GALLANT!

of course, there are some things about your culture - you detest.

However, to detest WHOM you are and your lineage - is an abomination.

LET'S GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT!!!!

Nobody CHOSE to be here and nobody CHOSE their family and Ethnicity.

However, we do CHOSE our friends, livelihood, lifestyle and mental state. Obviously, you think your current state is submissive and regressive.

That's unfortunate - you'll walk around thinking OTHERS are more superior to you.

AND THAT IS SLAVE MENTALITY

well it seems like you obviously dont no the definition of "proud". let me fix that.

Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth

now let me give you the definition of "quality"

an essential or distinctive characteristic, property, or attribute

Well to sum this up i have "satisfaction" of the "quality" of my "distinctive characteristic".

In the words of the late, great James Brown,

SAY IT LOUD, I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD!!!

well it seems like you obviously don't no the definition of "proud". let me fix that.

Feeling pleasurable satisfaction over an act, possession, quality, or relationship by which one measures one's stature or self-worth

now let me give you the definition of "quality"

an essential or distinctive characteristic, property, or attribute

Well to sum this up i have "satisfaction" of the "quality" of my "distinctive characteristic".

In the words of the late, great James Brown,

SAY IT LOUD, I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD!!!

You tell em girlie.


YOU NO SELL-OUT!

Poster, are you even proud to be a human being. I bet you wish you were a bird, a lion or even a dog!!

Im so proud of my colour. . . . . . .Very Proud!!!

Looks like a lot of people are not getting exactly the main thrust of my post. I repeat, at best the attributes cited by some poster are neutral. If they are neutral, why the fuzz about them. Let's perform the following thought experiment;

1) Which of the following peoples should be proud of themselves and why ?

a) French
b) Japanese
c) Namibians
d) Nigerians
e) Native Australians
f) Native South Americans
g) Icelanders
h) Egyptians


2) Which of the following people should NOT be proud of themselves and why ?

a) French
b) Japanese
c) Namibians
d) Nigerians
e) Native Australians
f) Native South Americans
g) Icelanders
h) Egyptians

3) Are you proud to a man instead of a woman? Or are you proud to be a woman instead of a man?

Rubbish thread. What a silly question.

im most probably the proudest south african zulu on earth. no matter what.

Hero:

Rubbish thread. What a silly question.

It cannot have been silly, can it. Because we know where you stand. How about your earlier response. given below?

Hero:

I'm proud not to be white.

So you have answered my question implicitly. ha dimwit. See where failure of thinking leads you?

@ huxley

did you even read my post?? because i pretty much answered your initial question.

onyinye2:

@ huxley

did you even read my post?? because i pretty much answered your initial question.

With due respect, you did not. You simply shouted that you were proud of being black, and provided some word definitions.

Why don't you apply your pseudo-answer to my thought-experiment?

very nice post, will comment as soon as i get back.

Huxley is a SELF-HATER

with inner-gnawing feelings of innate inferiority toward other cultures.

He simply cannot be helped.

Why try

thando:

im most probably the proudest south african zulu on earth. no matter what.

Damn, I've met lots of various types of South African ethnic groups, but oddly I've yet to knowingly encounter a Zulu. Odd. I've even met white and Asian South Africans, but a Zulu I've not. You all aren't going extinct, are you?  

Hero:

Damn, I've met lots of various types of South African ethnic groups, but oddly I've yet to knowingly encounter a Zulu. Odd. I've even met white and Asian South Africans, but a Zulu I've not. You all aren't going extinct, are you?

Trick question.
Name the largest ethnic group in South Africa.

Yeah, im so proud to be 100% black, and to be made in Nigeria.

huxley:

Looks like a lot of people are not getting exactly the main thrust of my post. I repeat, at best the attributes cited by some poster are neutral. If they are neutral, why the fuzz about them. Let's perform the following thought experiment;

1) Which of the following peoples should be proud of themselves and why ?

a) French
b) Japanese
c) Namibians
d) Nigerians
e) Native Australians
f) Native South Americans
g) Icelanders
h) Egyptians


2) Which of the following people should NOT be proud of themselves and why ?

a) French
b) Japanese
c) Namibians
d) Nigerians
e) Native Australians
f) Native South Americans
g) Icelanders
h) Egyptians

Don't midn them. They're dull-brained.

im most probably the proudest south african zulu on earth. no matter what.  

Almost every AA I know WISHED their blood was ZULU.

It must be the Name and that warrioring spirit.

I'm glad/happy that  I'm Black and would never want to be another colour, race or ethnicity ( Igbo). If I could have chosen, thats what I have chosen for myself.

However, I am proud of the person I am, I'm truthful, strong, forgiving, loving, wise and all that good stuff. Those are character traits which I had to nurture, safeguard in a decided way even though some of it is in  my nature.


Being Black is not an achievement you can be proud of in the simple sense of the word. I look at it as a blessing, which I did not bestow upon myself, but am mighty thankful that it was. In other words, I am proud of who have become, but thankful for what I am.

Why would someone be proud of being something about which they had no choice? No-one had a choice about their skin-colour, nationality or tribe.

So i guess your trying to tell us that your ashamed of the colour of your skin, nationality tribe etc

Why would someone be proud of being something about which they had no choice? No-one had a choice about their skin-colour, nationality or tribe. None of these are attributes are earned by the endeavours of the individual. So why should one be proud of these attributes that are not the result of one's own endeavours?

So what are you trying to say? That i should i be ashamed of my tribal heritage because i couldn't chose my tribe or nationality before i was born?

As far as am concerned one has to be positive and you can link the word to be proud to being positive Nobody choses their identity but you should be proud of who you are

Very proud to be black and Nigerian.

OK, since you guys are not getting it, let me give another example:

Are you proud to a man instead of a woman? Or are you proud to be a woman instead of a man?

Why would someone be proud of being something about which they had no choice? No-one had a choice about their skin-colour, nationality or tribe. None of these are attributes are earned by the endeavours of the individual. So why should one be proud of these attributes that are not the result of one's own endeavours?

i don't think they understand the sentences above.

@POST
before i was born i didn't have a choice to fill in an application form and tick the box to whether i wanted to be male female black african black carribean caucasian, asian hispanic etc.

Likewise i couldn't tick the box on the application form and chose whether my mama was going to be Madonna and my papa Iron Mike Tyson

Nobody choses their Nationaltiy just have to be[b]positive[/b] therefore proud of where u come from

Yes, I am proud to be a man. I wouldn't want to be a woman; they have too much personal shit to deal with with their bodies that'll drive me nuts. I have mad respect for them though.

@huxley,

I think you've brought up an argument far above many of these fellows intellect.
They fail to properly read and understand your post. But instead choose to spout the usual "I'm proud(proudly) whatever". A statement which reeks of inferiority complex.

khai_khai:

@huxley,

I think you've brought up an argument far above many of these fellows intellect.
They fail to properly read and understand your post. But instead choose to spout the usual "I'm proud(proudly) whatever". A statement which reeks of inferiority complex.

no shit!

Huxley, is it wrong to be proud of my country?

@khai khai

khai_khai:

@huxley,

I think you've brought up an argument far above many of these fellows intellect.
They fail to properly read and understand your post. But instead choose to spout the usual "I'm proud(proudly) whatever". A statement which reeks of inferiority complex.

so what about you khai khai? I'd like to hear your own opinion on the topic?