Bidam: could you pls answer my question before i attend to urs? Thanks.

Gombs:

that is why i always say, thank God i Knew Christ...if not, i would have been somewhere typing what you just typed.
you can never understand Christianity with the senses, nor with your thoughts, that is why Christianity is not a religion. you dont see that macof dont see his god when he calls, yet believe him for protection and all, abi his god physically shows up in times of need?, yet u question why i believe Jesus?


And BTW, below is pastor Chris at 9

Wow! That's my pastor @9! #evercute I love it

Kenny4lyfe:

Wow! That's my pastor @9! #evercute I love it

Gombs:

Yes o!...his hairdo and white shirts never changed.....awesome aint it?

Gombs:

Yes o!...his hairdo and white shirts never changed.....awesome aint it?

Arcsniper:

thank God u know Christ.
thank God i don't know Christ.
U are going to heaven,am going to hell fire.

Pastor Chris. Pastor Chris life doesn't portrait the life of a Good xtian to me.so why showing me his pix.

I have never been to babalawo house for protection,why would i when am not a pastor/imam.i don't need powers to heal people.

The people claiming to know Jesus are the ones causing troubles,fornicating,theirs life is confusing.



Dead pastors preaching dead messages to dead souls in dead churches.

Hahahahahahahh.
Av heard about pastors committing suicide..watin do dem??

I don't think any xtian will make heaven.cos most of them don't know what to obey?

Emusan:

OK since you don't know let me tell you, I ssimply mean the sleepless night you have put yourself into.



The questions are;
Do you really believe in Jesus as you claimed or just a church goer?
Is your life in accordance with that path of Him?




I believe Orunmila didn't show up just like that, you need to follow some step(s) so do Jesus. But why Orunmila didn't reveal himself to the world except only you?



Why not you can;
Thank God that I'm deluded but remember the way Orunmila revealled Himself to you Jesus Christ has also revealed Himself to me....so if I'm deluded so be you....

Gombs:

Yes o!...his hairdo and white shirts never changed.....awesome aint it?

YesooooOo! Make haters go dance Skelewu on top transformer lolz! . My pastor ROCKS!

Kenny4lyfe:


YesooooOo! Make haters go dance Skelewu on top transformer lolz! . My pastor ROCKS!

macof:

u don't know me and how I was 3years ago. I was a devote Christian who worked as I knew the Christian Christ.
You cannot claim someone to be a better Christian than another Christian, u don't know wat they do privately.

Orunmila actually manifested himself just like that. The whole world is blessed by Orunmila. But I didn't know.
The first step to knowing Orunmila as I do now was when I started reading the Bible unbiased

Second step was when I went to my home town to visit after a long time, then I read a news paper article about Ifa and the Orisha, then I ask old folks who preached to me about Yoruba spirituality

Third was getting my Ori checked by an Iyanifa- it was revealed that Orunmila claimed my Ori, and in order to grow I had to work as Orunmila would.

Then the one that convinced me was when I attended Osun ceremony, and a seemingly ordinary river water healed people and personally I got relieved from a severe headache in seconds

From then on I've been trying to work in line with Orunmila.
Orunmila has been the Orisha of not only my family but the entire state of Ekiti. I got to learn more about Yoruba spirituality and I devoted myself to the patron God of my ancestors, who had already chosen me from birth.
I would soon get initiated and probably learn how to dafa(use Ifa)

Orunmila reveals himself to everybody, all the gods reveal themselves to everybody. But u don't know.

When u see lightening, that's Sango revealing himself

Jesus is not known to reveal anything to anybody. Orunmila however hasn't revealed himself to only me. we all have been blessed by Orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence.

Bros abeg, if indeed you've been blessed by orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence;
1. » How come the europeans and americans are ahead of the indigenous yorubas technology wise?
2. » What is your purpose for living (why/how did orunmila brought you into existence) ?
3. » What does orunmila have to offer in our world of today?

I need answers with proof please! Thanks!

Kenny4lyfe:


YesooooOo! Make haters go dance Skelewu on top transformer lolz! . My pastor ROCKS!

Arcsniper:
Mr.man who talked about hating pastor Chris.

Lol.i remembered when i went to Christ embassy,at first glance i tot i was in a club,.seriously speaking i love ur pastor,he has that swaggs.u know

He iz my role model when it comes to fashion.

U are also free to dance skelewu inside d church.he will love it.

I didn't see myself mention anyone's name or is the word "haters" synonymous with your name?
Abeg free me jarreee make I see front!

Gombs: Macof, Bidam simply asked how your god came to be, and you are just dodging him.

I wanna add, where does your god stay, did he create the universe? And how? Did he create man? Does he...

Answer the above first

Kenny4lyfe:

Bros abeg, if indeed you've been blessed by orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence;
1. » How come the europeans and americans are ahead of the indigenous yorubas technology wise?
2. » What is your purpose for living (why/how did orunmila brought you into existence) ?
3. » What does orunmila have to offer in our world of today?

I need answers with proof please! Thanks!

Kenny4lyfe:

I didn't see myself mention anyone's name or is the word "haters" synonymous with your name?
Abeg free me jarreee make I see front!

macof:

1. Orunmila is not about Yoruba people, he is about all race of humans and all there is to the universe. So many Africans do not understand Orunmila that is why we are not properly blessed by him.

Orunmila isn't about technology, technology is Ogun's duty. However Orunmila plays an important role in everything, Yoruba people are not leading the world in technology because most of us don't have the interest, how many Africans actually encourage kids who have such skills to develop? It's not about the gods to invent for us, we can only use their elements to invent. But our failure to do this isn't their fault, it's we. However upon all this, Africans have advanced science(known to most as juju) which other parts of the world have lost. The thing is this skills are not being encouraged, mostly due to christianity and Westernized mentality. We think copying them is the best, when we can develop ours.

1. »Ehhhh eh? So, Ogun is the god of technology? But we were told he was a hunter and warrior. What has that got to do with innovation and technology?

2. »As for JuJu, where has it taken the yorubas to? If you indeed use the elements created by orunmila (who has given you wisdom, knowledge and intelligence) to invent stuff, why not come up with a JuJu power plant to solve our energy needs or better still, create a cure for cancer?
3. »What are those areas of science that Africans have advanced which others have lost? And don't mention aircraft witchcraft please!

3. »Why are the skills not being encouraged even from the beginning of the yoruba race and what makes christianity and westernization pose such a threat? Is there something missing in orunmila's wisdom, knowlege and inteligence that yoruba people seems to have found in christianity?

2. Only Ifa and Ori(in Yoruba spirituality) can reveal ur destiny and ur purpose in life. And that's personal matters, no one should know that, it's always best to grow in Ori and Ori would guide u to ur destiny.
Orunmila doesn't bring anyone into existence .
The life process is:
Olodumare forms the soul.
Ori chooses the destiny of the coming life.
The soul is granted exit from the spiritual realm by Esu
The body which contains the soul is created by Obatala
The fruit of the womb of the mother is granted by Osun
The period during pregnancy and the time of birth is monitored by Yemoja
The journey of life is guided by Ori, and any devoted Orisha

Ok, maybe I was a little personal with that question so, let me rephrase it;
1. »What is the purpose of MANKIND on planet earth according to orunmila?


2. »If I get you correctly you said orunmila (the custodian of all wisdom, knowledge and inteligence) does not bring anyone into existence! Ok! You also said, the soul is granted permission to exit the spiritual realm by Esu (Satan) ?
That doesn't add up 'cause the yoruba tradition potrays Esu as the adversary of mankind an accuser and slanderer aka Devil!
3. »How can the very being that hate you be give you permission to exist physically?

Please desolve my doubts on this issue because, I'm Yoruba by blood and Christian by origin. I don't have a reason to acknowledge man's tradition unless convinced to do otherwise.

3. Orunmila offers wisdom and knowledge, Orunmila supports Ori better than Almost all other Orisha, Orunmila drives men to realize wat the consequence of wrong decisions and right decisions are, Orunmila through Ifa can help make the right decision at all times, Orunmila reveals secrets and lies to those who seek him.

You said orunmila gives the understanding of right and wrong through Ifa and it reveals truths and lies to those who seek it! Ok, make him answer this question through you;
1. » What is the answer to all the cries of humanity?
2. » Where was he when the same traditional rulers who are custodians of the yoruba tradition wedge war against their brothers, caught them and sold them to white men in exchange for dry gin, gun powder and other valuables?
I want thesquestions answered with reference to authentic sources. Thank you!

Arcsniper: If i start asking questions about xtianity.you won't even answer me correctly,cos you will start quoting verses from that ur incomplete book.

Kenny4lyfe:

If you can't attempt to desolve my doubts as to the issues at hand with proofs, why do you assume that I wount be able to answer your questions correctly? Because I have a proof (which you've accused of being incomplete)?

FYI: I'm not here to convince anyone of their personal convictions as far as the issues of creation is concerned. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! All I want to make sure you guys understand is you can't just show up here and assert the supiriority of what you think is The Truth about Creation over Mine! So shut it!

Arcsniper:

who told you am a believer of what mcof is saying.


Av been a xtian for so long,even uptill now.what you call ur 'proof'
is what i read everyday,sometimes force myself to believe what's inside d bible.

So what will i gain from asking you questions.cos i know what you are actually going to say.

You can't answer my questions correctly..when u talk about born again xtian.i was Once in that category

macof: Mr Kenny.

since u need authentic sources and not internet links, I advice u go to a Babalawo to show u Orunmila. The Babalawo would ask Ifa on ur behalf anything that troubles u and give u solutions. Ifa never fails, Orunmila is ever potent.
Orunmila is here till infinity

If I start typing long yarns now, it would just b a waste of time to people like u who see knowledge but reject it.

So visit a Babalawo, let him check ur ori, or simply test the power of Orunmila. Most Babalawo would let u test them since it's in order of Orunmila

I'm gonna have to renege on your advice, since you can't waste your time to convince with proof!
Visit a babalawo? Uh uhn! I've all the answers I need to every question you can imagine or think of! Thanks!

macof:
Third was getting my Ori checked by an Iyanifa- it was revealed that Orunmila claimed my Ori, and in order to grow I had to work as Orunmila would.

Orunmila reveals himself to everybody, all the gods reveal themselves to everybody. [size=14pt]But u don't know.[/size]

When u see lightening, that's Sango revealing himself

Jesus is not known to reveal anything to anybody. Orunmila however hasn't revealed himself to only me. we all have been blessed by Orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence.

macof: Mr Kenny.

since u need authentic sources and not internet links, I advice u go to a Babalawo to show u Orunmila. The Babalawo would ask Ifa on ur behalf anything that troubles u and give u solutions. Ifa never fails, Orunmila is ever potent.
Orunmila is here till infinity

If I start typing long yarns now, it would just b a waste of time to people like u who see knowledge but reject it.

So visit a Babalawo, let him check ur ori, or simply test the power of Orunmila. Most Babalawo would let u test them since it's in order of Orunmila

Emusan:

These are the steps to know Orunmila right!
When you are still reading Bible what are the things Jesus ask you to do in other to see His manifestation....Evidence of the Holyspirit......?
At bold did type it or Orunmila pushed you toto?
Why lightening doesn't happen in dry season? I guess sango is on vacation!



He promised Holy spirit as an evident to those who believed because lightening, thunder, speed of light e.t.c are the works of His hand....[]Which is the title of this thread "Christ at Creation"[
How will you know this? Allow the word of Christ to dwell in you.

Kenny4lyfe:

I'm gonna have to renege on your advice, since you can't waste your time to convince with proof!
Visit a babalawo? Uh uhn! I've all the answers I need to every question you can imagine or think of! Thanks!

Emusan:

These are the steps to know Orunmila right!
When you are still reading Bible what are the things Jesus ask you to do in other to see His manifestation....Evidence of the Holyspirit......?




At bold did type it or Orunmila pushed you toto?



Why lightening doesn't happen in dry season? I guess sango is on vacation!



He promised Holy spirit as an evident to those who believed because lightening, thunder, speed of light e.t.c are the works of His hand....Which is the title of this thread "Christ at Creation"
How will you know this? Allow the word of Christ to dwell in you.

macof:

I already know where it wud lead. U asking for authentic evidence. The best authentic evidence u can get is A visit to a Babalawo.

If you want me to answer ur questions, I would answer them honestly, whereas ur authentic evidence can only be provided by internet articles

Kenny4lyfe:

I ask you for evidence because the wisdom bestowed on me by the Holy Ghost demands that, In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established- 2 Corinthians 13:1

Kenny4lyfe:
And what might be your reason for swerving off the christian race, if I may ask?