Msgamble: who was the revelation of their condition(beign in hell) revealed to? Better b careful of who to blieve..@op n catholics, Peter, leader of d Disciples? Is there any proof in d Scriptures? Although he was very close to Christ accding to history st. Thomas went to today iraq,st. Mark to egpty etc so he didn't lead d disciples at any point..don't b suprised @ catholic reasoning since they av 2-holy book The Holy Bible n Dodgma, shm

FredAuto:

Moses was talking to God directly not to Abraham, he never said Abraham pray for us. Although they are alive in the Lord. Now we are all saints through Christ our Lord doesn't mean I'll call my Late pastor to pray for me.

Enigma: @Pebcak

You might find another post I made earlier helpful.

Note a major difference between Roman Catholics and others --- others even including Eastern Orthodox. These others believe that the Apocrypha is not part of the canon even though its books can be useful secondarily. On the other hand Roman Catholics say anyone that does not accept the Apocrypha as part of the canon is ---- anathema! (Roman Catholics too like to dey swear for people, I tell you!)

So, here is that one I made earlier .........

1. Jerome ('church father'), Gregory ('pope'), Cajetan ('cardinal') --- all Roman Catholics; all major Roman Catholics (all speaking before the Roman Catholics finally set their own canon) ---- all AGREE with the so-called "Protestants" about the books of the canon!

2. To clarify further, the King James version (originally and for a long time and still in some editions) took the same approach as Jerome, Gregory I, Cajetan as well as Athanasius that the books of the Apocrypha are not in the canon but can be useful in a secondary role. Thus the KJV used to include the Apocrypha but place them in a different part to mark their distinction from the main canonical books.

A further note of interest, even today, there are still "protestants" who use books of the Apocrypha in this secondary role.

The Roman Catholics like to muddy the waters, throw confusion and hope people will not notice their lies if they are not familiar with or clear on the history and development of the canon (or even canons) of the Bible.

Reptyle:

Bros with all due respect, the answer to your question is irrelevant to the context.

Jesus Christ while here on earth never invoked any saint to intercede on his behalf. He prayed to God directly. He also taught his disciples to pray in a specific way...directly to God.

It was never recorded anywhere that the early Christians invoked the name of Peter, Paul, Mary or any of the other apostles to intercede on their behalf. Where then did this doctrine originate from? Is the catholic church a custodian of some secret body of knowledge outside that taught by Christ? It is recorded that some of these saints rebuked Christians who tried to direct worship at them while they were alive describing themselves as "mere men." They died and went to their rest. Stop invoking familiar spirits in the name of "Saints"

Honor your saints. But stop asking them to intercede on your behalf to God or to Jesus. They do not currently have that ability. Stop deifying mere men. Stop praying prayers that only make you feel good and holy but are largely ineffectual.

frodobee: St Peter, pray for us.
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DanladiFred: You don't need any mediator except Christ to intercede on your behave, nor honour them. I need a scripture to convince me that I need(them). They were mere brethren like us. Except if you guys are telling me a have a more better position of office in heaven..
We seem to find it difficult to accept the fact that peter and the other apostles are long dead, and cannot help us. Only the Holy spirit can help us. Guys, you need to study your Bibles and ask God to give you the understanding, not man!

idomalord: the bones was displayed to show to some idiots that he is really dead. no need to pray to him again. he cant even help himself, he had to God. same as mary , john etc. if only those people can read their bible, they wud c that wat they are doing is outside wat the bible are saying. even recent revelations show that pope john paul, micheal jackson, whitney houston, bimbo odukoya are in hell. what the bible is saying is Christ 1st then holiness. but its just sad that today christains dont know wat we ought to believe in.

chukwudi44:

Oga mod so you cannot understand a simple bible passage? Did that passage forbid us from praying for one another? Do your pastors who pray for you violate this passage? The same way you and your pastors pray for one another is the same way Mary and other saints pray for us

We do not pray in Mary's ,Peter's or anyother person name but all our prayers are directed to Jesus wo is the mediator.Mary ,the Apostles and other saints pray to Jesus for us same way your pastors pray to Jesus for you

Evanisgud: No mata what any1/thing thinks 4 al i care no religion on earth can surpass d Roman Catholic church.

Ogeam:

Yet Peter can't still pray for you, only Christ can do that! No other person has that ministry but Christ, not mary, not peter, not paul or any other mortal that lived. There is only one mediator between God and man [bold] the man Christ Jesus[/bold]. No man takes this honour (of priesthood) on himself except him that is called. Heb 5:4.

anochuko01: when Jesus ressurected, all the SAINTS who died b4 him all arose together with Him.
Matthew 27:52-53
"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
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while those who died after the resurection of Christ will all ARISE only at His second coming.

1thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise
first"
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So, mary, paul and all other souls are all in HADES or SHEOL (where souls await the second coming of Christ).
However, Jesus is the FIRST BORN AMONG THE DEAD. HE'S ALIVE AND HE'S THE ONLY MEDIATOR BTW MEN AND GOD.

Solozzo: The bible is a collection of coverless books, most of which we're authored by unknown persons and no titles to the books. The books included in the so called canon, were the ones that met the agenda and beliefs of the catholic and Protestant churches. Simple.

Now to the topic. How did the Catholic Church know that the bones in their care are really those of St. Peter? Was the first bishop of Rome really the St. Peter of the gospels?

Msgamble: who was the revelation of their condition(beign in hell) revealed to? Better b careful of who to blieve..@op n catholics, Peter, leader of d Disciples? Is there any proof in d Scriptures? Although he was very close to Christ accding to history st. Thomas went to today iraq,st. Mark to egpty etc so he didn't lead d disciples at any point..don't b suprised @ catholic reasoning since they av 2-holy book The Holy Bible n Dodgma, shm

Ubenedictus: please where can i find the 2nd holy book? The 'dodgma'?

whyom09:

Wow! I can see that your bible is awesome. Your bible just gave you the revelation of some people found in hell. If you are a "bible only" believer, I wonder how you easily believe some of these revelations even when they are full of controversies.

chukwudi44:
BROS ARE YOU SERIOUSLY KIIDING ME? THE DEUTERECANONS ARE HISTORICAL AND NOT FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS.

THE STORY OF JUDAS MACABEES AND HIS BROTHERS ARE HISTORICAL FACT AND IS ATTESTED BY EVEN JEWS TODAY IN EXISTENCE.THE FEAST OF HANNUKAH ONE OF TODAY'S FOREMOST JEWISH FEATS EVEN DESCRIBED IN JOHN 10:22 WAS INSTITUTED BY JUDAS MACABEEES

Syncan: ^^^hahaha, good teacher, how can they be dead, when they know what's happening to us. or don't they?

Cyberbaze: MY DEAR,STOP BEEN HYPOCRITICAL, YOU CAN'T HONOUR VIRGIN MARY NOR THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN BUT YOU DEAR HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL AND ADDRESS THE RICH SKILLED MEN AS HONOURABLE? AND GO AND REREAD YOUR BIBLE, ON THE FIRST MIRACLE JESUS DID ON EARTH IF NOT FOR THE INTERCESSION OF VIRGIN MARY, JESUS WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE MIRACLE FOR HE EXCLAIMED THAT,THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME HE HAS SCHEDULE FOR HIS SELF-REVELATION BUT YET HE, CONSIDERING HER WORD AS A MOTHER HE WENT ON AND DID THE MIRACLE..THAT SIMPLY SHOWING HOW VIRGIN MARY CAN INTERCEDE FOR US IN HEAVEN EVEN WHEN CHRIST HAS NOT DECIDED TO DO SO. OK YOU SAYING SOMEONE CANNOT PRAY FOR YOU,EVEN ANGELS AND SAINTS IN HEAVEN THEN Y DO U MEET YOUR PASTORS WHO ARE ON EARTH TO PRAY FOR YOU WHOSE LIFE ARE JUSTIFIED AT THE END OF THERE LIFE? GO AND STUDY ABOUT THE LIFE OF ST MONICA HOW SHE PRAYED FOR HER SON WHO LATER BECAME A SAINT ALSO(ST AUGUSTINE )..AT THE END,CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS CHOSEN TO PRAY TO GOD DIRECT OR RATHER, PRAYING THROUGH THE SAINTS WHO ARE IN HEAVEN.

idomalord:
simple, when u join d catholic cult. And u have increased in the confusion they call knowledge

Ubenedictus: i am in the Catholic Church, and i have increase in grace and knowledge and yet there is no such book as 'dodgma'.

Msgamble: no such bk as dogma? Then u're a kid in catholicsm better ask ur priest,sisters or google what 'dogma' is..dogma is a set of principles laid down by d church authority,some catholic refers to it as (church-) traditions..when Pope visit brazil few mnth back gving sermon he only qoute Bible verses few tyms buh always pointin n qouting dogma as church stance against homo,abortion etc

Ubenedictus: your friend said there is a book called dodgma, i stand on my words, there is no sacred book in catholicism called dodgma. If you have the book please tell. It is only arrogance or ignorance that will make you presume that i am a kid in catholicism.