Dibiachukwu: But guess who is going down forever

Obadiah 1

1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have
heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen,
Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly
despised.
3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the
clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who
shall bring me down to the ground?
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among
the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would
they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee,
would they not leave some grapes?
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought
up!
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the
men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against
thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none
understanding in him.
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of
Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one
of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and
thou shalt be cut off for ever.

Rome (Edom) (The great red dragon) is going down for ever

Obi1kenobi: People can post all they want about ancient Egyptian civilization thousands of years ago. The fact remains since the turn of the post-AD era, Africa and the black race are several generations behind the rest of the world. We're a conquered, colonized people who were feeble in the face of European and Arab conquest. They arrived here with barely a few footsoldiers with blazing guns and we capitulated to their might and even sold our people to slavery. Western culture is a dynamic one that always looks to evolve and improve itself. Always looking to explore. Always looking to innovate. African culture is a stagnant, naive, insular culture. It's why the colonial powers caught us napping in our mud huts, oblivious to the rest of the world - unable to even explore the world with our dug canoes. All we can do is cry about how the evil Europeans subdued and subjugated us. Even though we're just as evil. We just lacked their firepower, ingenuity, resourcefullness and boundless ambition.

I don't have all the facts as to who is smarter. It also isn't that important to me cos ultimately, every human being is an individual unto himself. There are smart and dumb people in every race. But you do have to ask yourself why every single white nation on earth all across the globe is more advanced in every measurable indices of development and living than the black nations all around the world from Africa to Haiti. And why the few decent black nations have a white economic and industrial ruling class.

And as a matter of fact, all around Europe and America, standardized IQ tests ALWAYS show the same trends. Asians (especially Japanese, Koreans and Chinese) tend to narrowly edge the Whites with Blacks always being at the bottom (below Latinos, South East Asians, Native Americans etc). I don't believe it's some kind of conspiracy. Afterall, Asians rather than Caucasians usually top the list when the Caucasians could have put themselves top.

Many would call my ramblings "inferiority complex" but I choose not to be in denial. Their being smarter or not smarter ultimately affects little whether you agree or not cos individually, it makes no difference to how smart you are.

Obi1kenobi:
Again, who has done the discrediting? This is not a hard physical science like chemistry. Social experiments and deductions made from them always have their detractors. Some dissenting voices doesn't mean anything is discredited. Not even in economics would you get people to come to any unanimous agreement on anything. And the study doesn't show anyone is sub-human. I suspect those who reason like that would have no problem with studies showing the inherent athletic superiority of blacks over other races. Being more intelligent than someone doesn't make you more human. There is such a thing as emotional intelligence which IQ tests don't measure. It's actually more practical in realistic impressions of intelligence and some people with IQ's in the genius scale can almost appear ret.arded and very socially awkward.

Those are manipulative stats regarding India. It has a much bigger population than the whole of Africa combined so of course there are more poor people there.

I stand corrected. They are about 4% of the population - a little less than half the proportion of South African caucasians. Never being to a place doesn't make one a "social and geographical illiterate".

More rabid fits. I never argued about the justice or otherwise of Zimbabwe seizing their land from the colonizing white minority. Merely the clear rot in the sector on the land being handed over. It wasn't simply due to Western sanctions. That has been an effecive cloak for the failures of the Mugabe regime.

You talk of slavery but Zimbabweans are still under enslavement by their very own. An incomptent clown with a messianic complex. What's the difference?

And while Zimbabwe is witnessing some progress, it's far fro the robust image you're painting. It has easily one of the worst living standards on the planet, a shocking collapse from once being one of the more prosperous African countries.

And Michael Manley took over till '92. If you're going to be an arrogant brat, at least be certain of all your facts.

Never suggested that you need whites to make progress. Merely sought to point out the glaring failures of the black race everywhere on the planet.

At least, relative to the indisputable prosperity of the white race everywhere round the globe they find themselves, from Alaska and the Artic circle down to the lower reaches of Oceania and South Africa in the Souther Hemisphere.

Blacks didn't build America. That's a laughable assertion.

Yeah, yeah....Uncle Tom..blah, blah... funny how those quickest to mention the Uncle Tom carp tend to be the most insecure blacks on the planet. Often those irritant types who love to play the race card incessantly and trivialize real racism experienced by many.

No, it wasn't. Other than Northern West Africa who learned to read and write Arabic after they were conquered by more Northerly tribes

the overwhelming majority of West African tribes (and other African tribes) were illiterate, many with no conception whatsoever about any calligraphic system of encoding messages.

I don't buy the excuses of the bolded. Europe itself was in a perpetual state of flux and social and political upheaval. So were civilizations like China who were perpetually at war.

Not building sturdy buildings had little to do with the fear of invason. They simply knew little about the use of concrete, marbles etc and the science of engineering involved to build such sturdy structures.

They simply knew little about the use of concrete, marbles etc and the science of engineering involved to build such sturdy structures.

Nigeria IQ = 69, say researchers

https://www.nairaland.com/1085723/average-iq-nigeria-69

ba7man: @Rossike. The question we should be asking now is......."What happened to the Black Race that slowed our progress as a civillzation"??

If we had continued at the rate we were in the past, we would have been the ones dishing out reports on "IQ" levels around the world.

As long as we have some of the most valuable Natural resources abundant in the World but we can't effectively use it to better the lives of the populace.

Our leaders would rather embezzle it to buy luxury products (While the masses support nd fight for them over crumbs they'll receive), fight and kill ourselves over it, we give them permission to insult us.

ROSSIKE:

It took me all of 2 minutes to find this damning critique of your ''IQ tests'':

Excerpts:



The Intelligence Fraud

''If IQ studies are flawed in their scientific method, a much more fundamental flaw is the basic assumption that inspires them. This is the notion that intelligence is a natural attribute, a fixed quantity, marginally affected by the social environment but essentially unchangeable. In fact such a view is rejected nowadays by most serious psychologists. 'As quaint as the archaic belief in the four humours that control human temperament,' is how Michael Howe, psychology don at Exeter University, describes it.

Most scientists studying the way human minds work now agree that intelligence and human thought processes are multi-faceted and complex phenomena. It has been demonstrated that there is no automatic connection between ability in one area and another. And undermining the IQ testers' claims to measure general intelligence, recent research shows that children can easily be trained in the skills needed to score high marks.''

Of course it would be madness to say there is no such thing as natural ability. But the truth is that such abilities are dramatically shaped by the social environment. An ordinary primary school student today can correctly add a column of figures vastly more quickly than the most intelligent Ancient Roman mathematician, who had to struggle with cumbersome Xs, Vs and Is.''

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr196/parrington.htm

TRANSLATION MR Obi1kenobi: ''IQ TESTS'' ARE QUACKERY and fake PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC HORSE MANURE.

A 'much bigger population than the whole of Aftica"? Geographical illiterate. Here is Africa's population:

African Population:

1.033 billion

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?tab=ww&ei=xeWLUriWGsWH0AXNp4GYCQ&ved=0CBgQ1S4#q=africa+population

India Population:

1.237 billion

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?tab=ww&ei=xeWLUriWGsWH0AXNp4GYCQ&ved=0CBgQ1S4#q=india+population


54 nation Africa is just approximately one more 'Nigeria' short of being the exact population as India, and you call that ''much more populated than Africa''? Where did you go to school?

By the way, your 'high population' EXCUSE for India holds no water:

Excerpts from the latest research on India being poorer than Africa IN NUMBER AND IN INTENSITY


Africa is poor but India is poorer. Africans are poor people but Indians are poorer than Africans. Africa is a poor continent but India as a country is far poorer than the poorest African countries combined and that, poverty is worse in India not just in number but also in intensity.

Recent studies show that Africa is far better than India in terms of economic and social development. Recent Studies show that taking the population size, Human development, poverty levels, education, and everything else into consideration, there are more poor people in India than in Africa and that the poverty of the poor in India is far greater than the poverty of the poor in Africa. To put it in simple terms, recent studies show that Life in Africa is far better than Life in India and that Indians are living in worse conditions than Africans, which means that Indians are poorer than Africans not only in the number but also in intensity.

According to a new study more people live in poverty in eight Indian states than in 26 of sub-Saharan Africa's poorest countries combined. The creators of the new study said the level of poverty in South Asia compared to Africa was a surprising discovery.

The Multidimensional Poverty Index takes into account issues such as health and education and whether or not people have access to clean water and electricity.

Sabina Alkire is director of the Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative and she co-created the new index.

"One striking feature is that most of the poor people live in South Asia – 51 percent of the 1.7 billion people that we have identified as poor are resident in that continent," says Alkire. "And it is not only the number, but also the intensity."
She says about one-quarter of the world's poor live in Africa, according to the MPI.

"When we compare the 26 poorest countries of Africa with states in India that have the same intensity of deprivation, we find there are more poor people with this intensity of deprivation in India than in sub-Saharan Africa. And that is quite striking," Alkire adds.


What is your next excuse, Uncle Tom?

Explain the above in the light of your 'theory'..

Go and read about Zidera:


''In 2001 America passed the Zimbabwe Democracy and Recovery Act (ZIDERA). ZIDERA instructs America’s executive director to each international financial institution to oppose and vote against any extension by the respective institution of any loan, credit, or guarantee to the Government of Zimbabwe; and any cancellation or reduction of indebtedness owed by the Government of Zimbabwe to the United States or any international financial institution''. - See more at: http://www.davidcoltart.com/2012/06/sanctions-against-zimbabwe-have-failed/#sthash.PK0koFtO.dpuf

If the above is not enough to cripple any modern economy, what is?

It was WESTERN SANCTIONS that led to Zimbabwe's economic crisis. If you cannot get that into your skull, then it's even thicker than I imagined.

The MAJORITY of Zimbabweans LOVE Bob Mugabe, regardless of the evil anti-Mugabe propaganda engineered by the western media, led by Britain. That is why he keeps getting elected and re-elected (despite baseless allegations of rigging by who else? Britain), and is why he has the full support of the Zimbabwean military. You know why he is loved? Because he returned the land to the people. You've got a problem with that? GO DASH A WHITE MAN YOUR LAND.

Michael Manley WAS NOT WHITE YOU IGNORANT BOMBOCLAT with nothing upstairs.

Millions of suffering Europeans beg to disagree with your fairytale hallucinations:


Europe:
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Greece:



I guess you can blame their ''low IQ'' for their stark poverty, no?

Again, more of your lunacy debunked right here:


''Blacks were desired so badly by White Europeans that they were willing to build thousands of ships over hundreds of years to sail thousands of miles over treacherous ocean to start wars with those Black people to capture them, bring them back thousands of miles to enslave them forever, to serve Whites forever. Blacks had built civilizations on the African continent that Whites hoped to build in America. A close reading of the newspaper advertisements placed by American slave dealers and slave traders shows that Blacks were skilled artisans and craftsmen at the highest level. It is easy to find ads by White people selling engineers, carpenters, mechanics, brick masons, nurses, blacksmiths, seamstresses, and bakers.

Blacks so dominated the building trades that after the so-called emancipation of 1863, it was said that if a White man were seen doing ANY of this kind of work, it would draw a crowd of gawking onlookers. Black slaves were on loan to build the “President’s House” and the Capitol; Black slaves built the mansions that grace Southern plantations. Black slave laborers built America’s infrastructure, including its buildings, roads, bridges, and railways. Blacks built America—just as they built the pyramids in Egypt—and then gave civilization to the new man on earth, the European.''

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_9564.shtml




You are not only an Uncle Tom. You are a pathetic, redneck racist who thinks blacks are ''naturally'' intellectually inferior to other races. Your lies and dubious, discredited nonsense are being debunked with every word I post. It's obvious you're not enjoying it.

Obi1kenobi:

Again, you brain dead cretin, alternative views in a social science doesn't equate to being discredited. 2 Nobel Laurate economists could plausibly have vastly differing economic theories. It doesn't mean any of them discredit the other. There are a lot of opinions about the validity of IQ's or how to accurately measure them and factors that can influence the results. Opposing views do not necessarily invalidate each other by ny objective standard. This is not mathematics or chemistry. Can that ever percolate through your thick skull?



More brain dead idiocy. I'm 6ft 4inches tall. Someone of 5ft 4inches (less than 20% shorter) would look much shorter than me. India have over 200 million people more than Africa combined: over 20% greater in population. How the hell does that not count as being much bigger in population, you handicapped clown?



So America and a couple of EU countries are Zimbabwe's only trading partners? I never said Zimbabwe wasn't affected by Western sanctions but you've always had comprehension problems when throwing your usual rabid fits. It's clear the ineptitude of the Zimbabwean government and the collapse in agricultural output were also massive inhibitors. Iran faced crippling Western sanctions for it's nuclear ambitions but didn't collapse so suddenly and to such an astonishing degree.



So you believe everything coming from the Zimbabwean tyrranical regime but everything coming from those evil British is "baseless allegation"? And you know this for a fact, don't you? You see what a deeply etched inferiority complex does to people?



Anybody who is of three-quarter white heritage and actually looks caucasian counts as white in my book, considering even people with half-white heritage often still get called "black".


I'd love to know where I stated there were no poor Europeans or caucasians. You really aren't very bright, are you?



So if I wanted to build a skyscraper of towers and consulted a team of architects and engineers to design and implement the project, so the "builders" to you are the bricklayers and masons, plumbers and oter artisans who labour on the project? So all those impoverished immigrants to Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar etc who form cheap labour for the sprawling new cities are "the builders". Interesting viewpoint which may be technically correct by the rules of grammar but those certainly don't count as the builders for me. Those who conceptualize the vision for cities, machines and all sorts of projects are the builders - not their labourers.


Could go on all day but I can't be bothered with the energy to "debate" the rest of your delusional fantasies with all the dubious links you dig up from every garbage web page. I could at least attempt to if they were not so dam.n long and tedious.

Bleat all you want about some Western conspiracy to trample and subjugate the poor, black folk. The reality of the situation is most of the problems of blacks all over the planet are self-inflicted. The greatest shame is that the victim mentality played by many blacks is the reason they collectively accept little responsibility for their failures and the vicious cycle continues. The perpetual victims possess the truly acute inferiority complex. I choose not to bury my head in the sand.

daz_york:
You are utterly wrong and have been given an intellectual butt whipping.
At least have the decency to step away.

Obi1kenobi:
You wouldn't know what "intellectual" means if it stabbed you in the face. You can keep "liking" his comments without looking to recruit more ostriches to bury heads in the sand with you.

Aigbofa:


The Chinese are building aircraft carriers today, just a few decades ago no one will even think of that possibility.
This is why Africans need to wake up. Invest in science education, invest in knowledge based industries, invest in necessarily infrastructure to sustain it. Oyinbos are humans like you.
And lest I forget, stop buying $1.6 million armoured vehicles to feed your vanity, invest instead in the future of your people.

ba7man:
The phone you're using to type your write up was invented by a ....................,

The internet you're using to communicate with me regardless of my location was invented by a ............................,

Wristwatch on your arm was invented by a ........................,

The toilet bowl in your home was invented by a........................or u still use a pit??

The car you drive around in was invented by a ........................,

The plane you fly in was invented by a ........................

The blackman invented the broom, they took the concept and evolved it into roller brushes, later they realized that suction was more effective resulting in "The Vacum Cleaner".

The Electronics you used to decorate your home was invented by a ................................

The language you're communicating with me right now is the ................................'S Language.

The suit you wear to work is the .........................'S style of fashion.

The trains GEJ is currently refurbishing to aid the economy was invented by the ..................................

Look around you and count how many things was invented by a blackman.........I don't mean a copy of what the whites did.

They're finalizing the space-program to send another probe to mars while we're still struggling to put a satelite in orbit...........some thing they've been doing since the 60's.

Fill in the gaps yourself.

Truth be told, they apply more effort and research in their pursuits than the average African man.

Emulate the positives from them, leave out their negatives.............there's nothing wrong in someone being better than you, you can just keep improving yourself till you can beat them at their own game.................but for now, We put our heads down and improve ourselves...................not lie to ourselves.

Frankenstein:
2000 years ago, the Greeks were the smartest people on earth and they transported their knowledge all over Europe and the Near East during the Roman empire. After the fall of that empire only one thing united Europeans — Christianity. The various wars and competitions in Europe led to new innovations and inventions.
Africa is only underdeveloped because the Greeks didn't get to us and the Gospel came very late.

Ayomel:
this is so right……… thats why nigerians are always ahead of Africans in every where.

ba7man:
The phone you're using to type your write up was invented by a ....................,

The internet you're using to communicate with me regardless of my location was invented by a ............................,

Wristwatch on your arm was invented by a ........................,

The toilet bowl in your home was invented by a........................or u still use a pit??

The car you drive around in was invented by a ........................,

The plane you fly in was invented by a ........................

The blackman invented the broom, they took the concept and evolved it into roller brushes, later they realized that suction was more effective resulting in "The Vacum Cleaner".

The Electronics you used to decorate your home was invented by a ................................

The language you're communicating with me right now is the ................................'S Language.

The suit you wear to work is the .........................'S style of fashion.

The trains GEJ is currently refurbishing to aid the economy was invented by the ..................................

Look around you and count how many things was invented by a blackman.........I don't mean a copy of what the whites did.

They're finalizing the space-program to send another probe to mars while we're still struggling to put a satelite in orbit...........some thing they've been doing since the 60's.

Fill in the gaps yourself.

Truth be told, they apply more effort and research in their pursuits than the average African man.

Emulate the positives from them, leave out their negatives.............there's nothing wrong in someone being better than you, you can just keep improving yourself till you can beat them at their own game.................but for now, We put our heads down and improve ourselves...................not lie to ourselves.

ba7man:
@Rossike. The question we should be asking now is......."What happened to the Black Race that slowed our progress as a civillzation"??

If we had continued at the rate we were in the past, we would have been the ones dishing out reports on "IQ" levels around the world.

As long as we have some of the most valuable Natural resources abundant in the World but we can't effectively use it to better the lives of the populace.

Our leaders would rather embezzle it to buy luxury products (While the masses support nd fight for them over crumbs they'll receive), fight and kill ourselves over it, we give them permission to insult us.

BUSHIDO5:


Why do you let Europeans and Asians play you for a fool? So you mean that they have higher IQs than we Africans? Don't you see that it is their intention to make you view them as superior?