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Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by az77zy(m): 1:21pm On Dec 12, 2013 |
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Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by adsonstone: 1:46pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Of course, when truth shows up, Lies and fraud fly out (through) the window. Lies (and fraud) like: Paul suffered for the redemption of mankind, completing Christ's suffering for redemption. Men are mediators between God and men.....note, men are also co-redeemers. *Use of graven images in worship is a holy thing, infact, it is inspired* God WILL save people outside Christ....especially the Muslims. The 1000-year reign of Christ in which satan will have no power/influence (stated in revelation).....has started and it is still on . ...and the greatest of all lies: the RCC is infallible (cannot teach error) ....but it taught all these things above. ....and many more lies (and fraud) that the RCC has been peddling. These things show that the teaching that the RCC itself is infallible (cannot teach errors)....is a LIE. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Ubenedictus(m): 11:27am On Dec 16, 2013 |
italo and try please go and read the gospel reading of today's morning mass, please paste it here. Not everyone should get answers |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by try69: 12:40pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Spot on Gospel reading - 16th Dec' 13: 1 Like |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 1:12am On Dec 17, 2013 |
try69: Oh I also forgot, Mr bernimoore is a "THING" .... On earth On the issue of worship or reverence of Mary. Christ outrightly forbade it here. Luke 11:27-28: 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" 28 But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!" On the other hand. How do you believe that saints in Heaven are able to hear you? How do you think Mary knows what's happening here on earth? God only has the power to hear prayers. If you believe dead people are aware of happenings here on earth, then you're no better than pagans who believe their dead relatives monitor them; who call on their ancestors. You've heard of necromancy? Deuteronomy 18:10-12: 10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Whenever you call on dead person whether a saint or not, to help you, you're no more than a necromancer! Remember Saul how he consulted a witch to raise up Samuel! And how God was very angry with him for that? What's different when catholics consult "Mary" (supposedly), and she manifests through apparitions? Free yourselves brothers. Eternity is nothing to joke with. Why don't we follow God's laid down principles from the Bible. At least since God never asked us to venerate Mary, He will not hold us guilty if we do not. But it'll be a sorry story to discover He hates whatever we defend and hold unto here as a tradition that He never commands us. We cannot even stand to defend ourselves. Finally Galatians 1:8-10: [...] 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. 1 Like |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 4:03am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Yes. The oldest way to argue against Catholic teaching is to argue against your own version of Catholic teaching. adsonstone: Of course, when truth shows up, Lies and fraud fly out (through) the window. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 4:06am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Catholic teaching or your version of it? adsonstone: ...and of course, there are still many more teachings/doctrines RCC reps still have to defend. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by try69: 8:06am On Dec 17, 2013 |
kennedyugo:If you take those to mean christ was rebuking his mother, then I'd only pray for you .: Saints don't die..they are alive in heaven |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 8:28am On Dec 17, 2013 |
try69: The woman was not the mother, but she was blessing the mother, then Jesus corrected her. To show the mother is no special or should not be taken as to be revered specially! Saints don't die yes, but they don't have the power to know what's happening here on earth, just like you can't know what's happening in somewhere in America when you're not there. Only God has the power. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 8:39am On Dec 17, 2013 |
Still on this issue. Do you know satan is the accuser of the brethren? Now if you reach the gate of Heaven and satan accuses you that you practice idolatry by worshiping Mary, how can you defend yourself? Is it with these flimsy reasons you putting forward here? Maybe you'll quote your catholic doctrine or what pope said? Remember when satan tempted Jesus? Jesus overcame by the word of God. My friend, if you don't have word of God to back up yourself, you're g gone! You think satan is a small boy? He is older than any human ever lived. You''d better follow simple principles of God laid down for salvation, rather than inventing your own. Eternity is more serious than we think. Without holiness, no man shall see God. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 11:09am On Dec 17, 2013 |
kennedyugo:Luke 1:41 - And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:[/b]42 - And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: [b]Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.43 - And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?44 - For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy.45 - And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord. That sounds like special reverence inspired by God the Holy Spirit. kennedyugo: Saints don't die yes, but they don't have the power to know what's happening here on earth, just like you can't know what's happening in somewhere in America when you're not there. Only God has the power. Oh! You mean angels are God... ...Luke 15:10 Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents. Rev 6:10 - And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (holy and true) dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Sounds like they know that God hasn't avenged against the wicked on earth. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 11:14am On Dec 17, 2013 |
kennedyugo: Still on this issue. Have you ever tried stand-up comedy? Seems you know how to make people laugh. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 11:31am On Dec 17, 2013 |
italo: Well angels are ministering spirit, and they can be sent anywhere on errand. There are angels working on earth here. Angels follow children of God most times. Saints are resting there. They're not ministering, at least Bible never told us so. But why assuming or inventing ideas that cannot be backed up with the Bible? Jesus never commanded us to revere Mary. Read that Luke 11:27,28 again. Jesus said himself is the only way to God. But you invented and attached Mary to it. Making her co-ruler with or queen or whatever to Jesus. That's absurd! Remember Mary is human. Jesus is son of God. Mary never died for man, Jesus did. Mary was never sinless, Jesus is. In fact I can't understand why you people are so attached to and can't do without praying to Mary. That shows there must be a force behind it, |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 11:34am On Dec 17, 2013 |
italo: Well you can laugh and mock. But you've not been able to defend your flawed doctrines before human convincingly, how much less before God! |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 12:02pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
kennedyugo: You said only God know what is happening on earth. You were wrong. You said Mary should not get special reverence. You were wrong. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 12:04pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
kennedyugo: Just like Jesus wasn't able to defend his 'flawed doctrines before humans.' He was convicted and executed...yet he was right. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 6:58pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
italo:Well, since you're deliberately shying away from the obvious. Everything will surely be made manifest soon. But I want to let you know there's no second chance then. I'm not sure you'll want to risk your eternity for the sake of your doctrines! I'm not here to win arguments but to state the obvious. 1 Timothy 2:5-6: 5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Philippians 2:9-11: [...] 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Acts 4:11-12: 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Galatians 1:8-9: 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Hebrews 1:3-8: 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 2:2-3: 2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard [him]; John 14:6: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Luke 8:20-21: 20 And it was told him [by certain] which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. 21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it. Luke 11:27-28: 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Exodus 20:4-5: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; Matthew 7:21: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Thanks for your audience! |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by italo: 9:34pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
^^^ All those verses are perfectly in line with Catholic doctrine...as is all of the Bible. Thank you for your jokes. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by try69: 7:31am On Dec 18, 2013 |
italo: ^^^ |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Syncan(m): 2:50pm On Dec 18, 2013 |
italo: ^^^ Wow, I think I've missed a lot of entertainment |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by adsonstone: 8:25pm On Dec 20, 2013 |
italo: Yes. The oldest way to argue against Catholic teaching is to argue against your own version of Catholic teaching. is any of what I stated untrue? If they are not, then why are you calling them my version of the RCC's teaching? ....these are simple facts about what you and the RCC teach that can be easily affirmed/verified. Anyone who has an iota of truth/honesty in Him knows these things are true....and not my version of your teaching. |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by adsonstone: 8:38pm On Dec 20, 2013 |
italo: Catholic teaching or your version of it? is this the (new) way you and the RCC have devised to shy away from what you teach? Calling your teaching and beliefs 'my version'..... Thats dishonesty. If you cant accept what you teach as yours, youre not worth calling on to defend them...as a matter of fact you dont even need to teach anything! |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by kennedyugo: 10:34pm On Dec 20, 2013 |
Look at what these people Vatican offers 'time off |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Syncan(m): 2:22pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
The entertainment is just getting better, go baby go, cry on. I know you missed me |
Re: Defend Catholic Teachings Here by Syncan(m): 2:27pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
Hahahaha, its getting louder...and more interesting. |
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