clans:
first of all, no catholic bows down to Mary quote me, what we do is call genuflecting the same you do to your obas and you chiefs and even the average elderly Yoruba man or woman you see on the street. as for Mary being the way the truth and the life you said so yourself NO catholic has ever said that, because we are sinners and have [b]fallen short of the glory of God we go through his mother [/b]to INTERCEDE for us on our behalf. Mary was specially conceived without original sin you and i was born with, she was specially designed as the vessel to bring the savior into this world, as for the name Mary, you are right it could as well be Martha or even chrissy3, but it wasn't . and if you say she was just a human, y weren't YOU chosen to bring the savior into the world. i beg of you change you ideology about all this things. ignorance is bliss they say but it is stupid when you base your arguments on them.. have a nice day

Umeadi09:

catholics don't worship mary, point of correction

fabulousdame: i wud advise all catholics to stop arguing wit these people before they cause u to commit sin against the holy spirit..as for those saying catholics worship mary, i expect to hear dat from five yr olds not adults...
honour is dif from worship, we genuflet and all that buh we honour our parents, elders en leaders the same way...
sacred heart of Jesus-have mercy on us
immaculate hrt of mary-pray for us.
do u see the diff?
mother mary intercedes for us.
even our mothers at home do the same for us.
so pls believe watever u want buh do not criticize or condemn the church of God.
peace be wit y'all

gratieao:
Like all Christians, Catholics believe in life after death. Those who have lived good lives and died in the faith of Christ will, as the Bible tells us, share in his resurrection. While we live together on earth as Christians, we are in communion, or unity, with one another. But that communion doesn’t end when one of us dies. We believe that Christians in heaven, the saints, remain in communion with those of us on earth. So, just as we might ask a friend or family member to pray for us, we can approach a saint with our prayers, too.

Ken_Jak: Though the catholics are not worshipping God, they're worshipping Mary... It's not for him or anyone to judge except God cos God says in the bible, Judge not for you not to be judged.
He's wrong with his preaching.

Controversy: FALLACY OF SEED SOWING (2 TIMOTHY 3: 6, 4:3-4) We are in the heart of the last days and the prophecies of the scripture are being fulfilled in our very own eyes, daily. Today if you turn to virtually every corner of the city, you see a church or ministry as they are called now. Frankly, most believers in Christ misconstrue the meaning of church, ministry and denomination. That is a message for another time though. The Scripture says in 2 Timothy 3: 6-7, “For this sort are they which creep into houses, and led away captive silly women laden with sins, led away with diverse lusts, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” In 2 Timothy 4: 3-4 it says, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers with itching ears; “And they shall be turned unto fables.” In Micah 2: 11, the Scripture says, “If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying I will prophesy unto thee of wine and strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.” This scriptural verse agrees with 2 Timothy 4:3-4, all that most ‘followers of Christ’ want in these last days, are self- edifying sermons, not necessarily what God wants them to do. The reigning message is no longer, ‘seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all other things shall be added unto you,’ but sow seed in the church or ministry and whatever you want shall be added unto you, in the preacher’s declared measures. I think every believer with the spirit of discernment ought to know where this heretic doctrine comes from. Most Christians are very deficient and lazy in searching the scripture to listen to what God wants them to understand about His purpose for their lives, but run to places where all manner of teachings and doctrines are taught. We prefer to follow the easy way where multitudes are found while neglecting the caution that says ‘the path that leads destruction is broad and narrow is the way and strait is the gate that leads to eternal life’. The first time I heard of the sowing of seed was when I came to Jos newly. On 9th September 2001, the Sunday after the Friday 7th September 2001 Jos North ethno-religious crisis, I went to a church in Kufang. After the sermon, the pastor of the church said that there was need for us to pray so that we will have a peaceful week, which was good. But what troubled me was, when he asked who will sow seed of three thousand naira (N3000.00), two thousand naira (N2000.00) and one thousand (N1000.00) and so forth. I was wondering when the Lord has changed his principle of answering prayers by grace, to answering prayers by sowing of seeds. I was invited to a program in a church some few years back at FDA Road Dadin Kowa Jos; a pastor from a different church was invited to preach. He preached wonderfully about the last days and the maneuvers of Satan to destroy the church, but after the sermon he said that those who would want to escape the snares of the devil should sow seed of two thousand naira (N2000.00) to be prayed for. And if they didn’t have the cash on them at the moment, they should make pledges. Those pastors are cunning with words and intimidate their congregation into sowing seeds; otherwise, their prayers will not be answered. In fact that same pastor gave a testimony, where he said in his church the Lord told them to bring plastic chair each, but a lady refused. So one day when she was preparing for her wedding, he met her and reminded her about the chair, but she didn’t take heed. On her way to the village he said, a car lost control and drove straight to where she sat in a bus, and hit it hard and she died. According to him, she died because she refused to bring a plastic chair to his church, by implication, it can be said that she went to hell because she refused to bring a plastic chair to a church. Candidly, only Satan can do that and not Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible. When has God dropped faith to embrace material things as a condition for inheriting his promises? His word says, “Without faith it is impossible to please Him.” (Hebrews 11: 6). In James 1: 5-6 it is written, “If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally and up braideth not; and it shall be given him. “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea driven with wind and tossed.” When Peter met the lame man at the Gate called Beautiful, the man did not sow seed before Christ healed him through Peter, but his faith. The woman with the issue of blood was not healed by Christ because she sowed seed, but her faith. I can go on and on. The people that believe such pastors don’t have the spirit of God. The spirit of God is not the author of confusion, and is full of knowledge and wisdom. I want those that sow seeds for prayers by their pastors to tell me, the prayers they do before eating their food, their morning devotion, before embarking on a journey and so on, to whom do they sow seeds to? Are they not the prayers of faith? If you believe that praying at night before going to bed will move God to protect your family, why would you believe that sowing seed is prerequisite for God to answer your prayers on other issues?. What is it that you have that has not been given to you by God? And what will you give to God to bless you and how much do you worth to buy His blessings? He said, “The Heaven is my throne and the earth my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? And where is my place of rest? “For all these things had mine hand made, and all those things have been saidth the LORD: but to this will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit and trembleth at my word.” Isaiah 66: 1-2. To prove further that God is more interested in our hearts, Jesus Christ said that if you bring your offering to the alter, and remember that someone has something against you, leave your gift at the alter and go and reconcile first. With these how can someone tell you that it is the seed, and you believe? Apostle Paul through the spirit of God said, “Let us come with boldness unto the throne of grace to obtain help in time of need.” In Hebrews 4: 16 Jesus said, “He that comes to me in no wise will I cast him away.” Why is it that you cannot go to the throne of grace with boldness so much that you have to sow seed for someone to pray on your behalf? Is there fire at the throne of grace? Has God cast you away? Why fall prey to these Sooth Sayers that pose as servants of God? Christ said, “Come unto me ye that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest, do you exclude yourself from this call? Matthew 11: 28. Christ wants you to come to him directly, he is not a terrorist. How many seeds did you sow, that made God sent Him to die for you and I? If his death was free, where did God say you must sow seeds for Him to hear your prayers? God cannot be bribed. God spoke through the Psalmist saying, “I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he-goats out of thy folds. For every beast of the forest are mine and the cattle upon thousand hills. “I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee; for the world is mine, and the fullness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats? “Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the Most High: And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.” Psalm 50: 9-15 Brothers and sisters God wants us to ask in faith and not sow seed for our prayers to be answered. Christ paid the supreme sacrifice; all that He wants from us is to reach out to Him in faith.

nyabingi: Im not fronting for Pastor Christ, I believe that we must always exhibit love when we want to correct others, the pastor went the xtreem way, but i advice nairalanders especialy youths who are in the catholic church to get down with their bibles and suncerely ask the Holy Spirit for inspirations and insights, thry'd understand why they urgently need to leave the church. Its just the grace of God thats still working in the church, that same grace that alows the rain to fall and sun to shine so that both the wicked and rightous ones eat their daily bread.

Here are some facts some catholics dont know:

The knite of Mulumba is a cult (attend the burial of a member then come back and thank me)
Most money ritualiist and ocult members especially from Igbo land hide under the church
The Papalcy is political and they do a lot of things the "jolly go lucky" catholics dont have a clue of
Most of ur reverend fathers have kids and are established business men (pls watch The Bogias...google pls)
In latin America there's different kinds of anual rituals done to honour madona (mary) sometimes involving the spil of human blood (pls google)

manny4life:

You just had to call "IGBO" didn't you? You tribal bigotry just could STOP, you hand to bring it into a religious discussion, is it ONLY Igbos that are Catholics in Nigeria? Rephrase your comment if you want an answer..

clans:
first of all, no catholic bows down to Mary quote me, what we do is call genuflecting the same you do to your obas and you chiefs and even the average elderly Yoruba man or woman you see on the street. as for Mary being the way the truth and the life you said so yourself NO catholic has ever said that, because we are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God we go through his mother to INTERCEDE for us on our behalf. Mary was specially conceived without original sin you and i was born with, she was specially designed as the vessel to bring the savior into this world, as for the name Mary, you are right it could as well be Martha or even chrissy3, but it wasn't . and if you say she was just a human, y weren't YOU chosen to bring the savior into the world. i beg of you change you ideology about all this things. ignorance is bliss they say but it is stupid when you base your arguments on them.. have a nice day

chrissy3: so honouring mary means you have to go against God's command not to make image of anything in heaven,earth and beneath the sea,you must not bow? Now mary is now 'the way the truth and the life,no one comes to the father except through her? Funny I thought that was suppose to be jesus? Listen jesus christ had to be born as human so he must be born by a human and mary was picked for reasons know to God but the name mary can easily be Martha if someone else was picked .if I ask you catholics why mary was picked you can't say and your saying honouring mary.yes you would give her respect but she has no teaching of the bible and was a vessel for the birth of christ,she is just human nothing more.

clans:
mister you just judged too. i rather u keep quiet than say things u aint sure off. biko!!! its called HONORING Mary not Worshipping

chukwudi44:

You must be very studi for trying to tribalize this thread.Olorubruku ode

dejilg:

Now show me where anyone(Christian) in the Bible prayed to Mary or ask any saints to pray for them!

Moreso did u read the Book of Revelations? Wht did it say about those that died in Christ Jesus?

fabulousdame:
pls where in d bible did Jesus give u d authority to condemn people to hell? u said i know noting en i need the holy spirit(i agree, everyone does) buh u clearly need serious intervention of the holy spirit... people who claim to know it all re the ones that end up knowing nothing at all..
i'm done arguing wit u. u re free to believe watever u want buh i must warn u my friend, matters of the holy spirit are delicate and u shudn't answer dem with wat u tink or ur mis-interpretation of the holy bible..just pray u re on the right track
God bless u.

daraj: its a pity how people argue blindly without proof,and abuse a man of God with impunity,the fact that he is human and has weakness and thus fall in certain circumstances does not give anybody the right to insult who God has called and whether you believe it or not as far as he is representing the Almighty God he has the annointing of God upon his life so you people should be very careful in your choice of words particularly when it has to do with a man of God.if you are a good bible scholar you could recall in the bible when saul was after Davids life and he (david) has the opportunity to kill saul he refused and said how can he touch the anointed of God or do him harm,not only by our hands can we do harm but also by our words,i am not an advocate of pastor okotie i just want to bring to light the dangers of our words when its directed to a man of GOD.In reference to the above topic if catholics really want to know if they are serving the true JESUS of the bible i would like to recommend that they read this book PREPARE FOR WAR by Rebecca Brown MD.

Beezally: history of the station of the cross
After the death and resurrection of jesus at about 32/33ad,many people began to reflect upon his passion and death. These people, especially those who believed in him were convinced that the death of jesus was different. From other deaths. the fact that jesus did not remain in the grave made his death much more wonderful and exceptional . These early Christians began to make visits to jerusalem so as to physically walk in jesus footsteps in a prayerful mood these christians would walk along the way remembering what happened to jesus on those spots. That street that jesus walked on is still called VIA DOLOROSA marked the important places on the street so that those who came after them could follow and make their devotions. The visitors became known as pilgrims. Hope this helps u

litetias: The day you show me another woman that was impregnated by the Holy Spirit while still a virgin and who gave birth to the saviour of the world I'll stop giving honour to Mary. When common Patience's (my fellow widows) mother was buried didn't the cream of our society go to honour her? These pastor-worshipping pentecostals that call themselves christians. Mtcheew.

Adaobi12: So we shuld close our eyes an watch him mislead his congregation? 4 me,his calling is questionable. Nothing in him shows,that he is a believer,let alone a pastor.

lacum:
david was a king in israel n d old testament held him in high regard. catholics does not despise him but we give mary dat honour for her role in our salvation history.

ur even going too far y not talk about joseph n i will tell u dat we honour him too.

kallat: I was born a CATHOLIC and will die one by God's grace.. So I beg on all CATHOLICS and christians in general to please stop arguing... We have been told the way of GOD is a mystery to man.. We shouldn't blasphame against the holy spirit for that is an unforgiveable sin..... This arguements and querells are brought by vices against christianity to cause division and from the way I see it they ar succeeding... We should stop promoting ther course... Let's all live good lives and gain the mercy and favour of GOD ALMIGHTY so that he may open the gates of heaven to us!!!! AMEN!!

Omo_Tier1:
Can I ask why you have to 'Honour' Mary and 'pray' to Her? Where in all of old testament revelations by Gods spirit of Gods redemptive plan did He say we should 'Honour' Mary?

Why do you pray to Mary to pray for you? Why do you pray with the Rosary? When Jesus was on earth, did He pray to Mary His earthly mother to pray for Him? Time after time, the bible recorded, Jesus went to a solitary place to pray to His father.

So why do you pray to Mary?

dionysius: Catholic church is the first ever. Even the bible you read was put together by a council of catholic bishops thru Gods guidance. This church has stood the test of time with all that has happened good or bad. Please leave catholics alone and develop ur own church.