Beorn:


I don't think so.
Deadpool and Suicide Squad are anti-hero movies.

newjosboy:


What do you guys mean by "anti-hero"? In my own lay man's mind, I am thinking it is a "villain". Hope I am right.

newjosboy:


What do you guys mean by "anti-hero"? In my own lay man's mind, I am thinking it is a "villain". Hope I am right.

JeromeBlack:


Anti-hero simply means that the hero is not actually a good guy (but has some redeeming qualities).


For instance, the heroes that save the world in suicide squad are all criminals- Harley Quinn, Deadshot, Killer croc etc

In Venom, neither Eddie Brock nor Venom are good guys despite being the heroes of the film. Eddie Brock is a douchebag reporter that got his girlfriend fired by hacking her laptop to get info about a shady business man. Venom himself does not mind killing or eating people.

KoiceReloaded:


Oh, it's super easy to poke holes in his assertions using his number 3 definition as my foothold, but I sensed that he just wanted to argue for argument sake, and I wasn't in the mood.

I have a busy day tomorrow, so I'll try to make this as brief as possible

First, what is science fiction? It's not something you can give a straightforward definition to - it has several layers to it like multiple major (and minor) subgenres and themes. There is hard science fiction, there is science fiction fantasy, and speculative fiction. You can google all these, I'm not making it up.

Now, let's take them one after the other:
- Hard Science fiction: This is a science that is sound and well researched, with emphasis on scientific law accuracy. It can be futuristic like Interstellar, or contemporary like Children of Men.
- Science Fiction Fantasy: A very popular genre that blends science fiction with fantasy. It contains elements which violates the scientific laws of the real word. Notable examples of science fiction fantasy movies are the Star Wars franchise, and The Matrix trilogy.
- Speculative fiction: It's pretty much like science fantasy, but on crack. It encompasses several genres like dystopia, superhero, horror, apocalyptic, supernatural fiction, etc. Notable movies are Deadpool and The Exorcist

From the above analysis, it's obvious that science fiction is a very broad genre, and most certainly cannot be quantified by mere three completely-devoid-of-context definitions picked from the internet (no offense, Jeromeblack). To define sci-fi, you have to first understand the cogs and torques and pistons that drive the engine.

Beorn:


I don't think so.
Deadpool and Suicide Squad are anti-hero movies.

omoowhe:
Just re-watch sicario 1 and mennnnn that shit was awesome.. .....completely trilled once again
8/10

SAMBHOSS:


I mean in the MCU....
And Deadpool is a conflicted individual....

JeromeBlack:




cc Beorn.


Koice is on some next level bullshite


1) There is no genre called "contemporary science fiction". Contemporary in this case means "new". If you google "contemporary science fiction", you will get different types of science fiction novels that exist from 2000.

JeromeBlack:

2) There is contemporary fiction though. But this relates to realistic fiction that focuses on themes of growing up and confronting personal and social problems. This genre portrays characters coming to understand themselves and others. This is very different from science fiction and it remains a separate genre.

JeromeBlack:

3) Hard science fiction simply means that the science or technology is scientifically accurate. There is specific attention to scientific accuracy. For instance, "Interstellar" is hard science fiction. The point here is that in hard science fiction, the story can be futuristic or speculative as long as it doesnt contradict modern scientific theories.

JeromeBlack:

4) If "searching" is science fiction, then all modern FBI/police movies are science fiction. The FBI uses social media in the same way to get info about suspects. All hacking movies are now science fiction. You can see the slippery slope that koicereloaded is falling into with his point of view.

5) My third defintion still disqualifies "searching" as science fiction as there is nothing "highly imaginative" or "fantastic" about using social media to track people-

"-fiction of a highly imaginative or fantastic kind, typically involving some actual or projected scientific phenomenon"

JeromeBlack:

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Koice is mistaken if he thinks that this is an argument. No, this is a correction. I am correcting him with evidence. Every single point I made is backed up with facts. This is why I use proper definitions to back my statements. Anyone can google. Unlike him, I am not making up things from nowhere.

troubleseller:
Unfriended: Dark Web. This one does not come near to the prequel at all.

I don't agree that Searching is sci-fi cos there is nothing scientifically fictional about it. All that was done in the movie can be done right now as we speak and that totally disqualifies it. That brings me to the question, is James Bond scifi?

troubleseller:
Unfriended: Dark Web. This one does not come near to the prequel at all.

I don't agree that Searching is sci-fi cos there is nothing scientifically fictional about it. All that was done in the movie can be done right now as we speak and that totally disqualifies it. That brings me to the question, is James Bond scifi?

newjosboy:


People wey sabi analyze movies make una answer this one oh.
Me I come to get movie titles in this house and run to download and come back to give my rating.

newjosboy:


People wey sabi analyze movies make una answer this one oh.
Me I come to get movie titles in this house and run to download and come back to give my rating.

Kaycee7:
There's no anti-hero in the MCU.

SAMBHOSS:


Venom is ?

KoiceReloaded:

Kaycee7:
Sony

Kaycee7:
Sony

troubleseller:
From your definition, cont. sci-fi deals with issues of today utilizing sci-fi. Now Searching deals with an issue of today but is it science fiction? I don't think so. It might be considered cont. fiction but including sci-fi means its scientific elements are imaginative and futuristic which they are not. A movie that could be termed cont. sci-fi is Children of Men or Avatar. If Searching is sci-fi, maybe Unfriended too can be considered cont. sci-fi

Beorn:
KoiceReloaded, having through read through a number of sites, I finally agree that JeromeBlack is right on this one. Searching is no sci-fi neither is James Bond movies and a lot of other movies that the involves the use of computers, science or technology. If that were to be case, that means TV series like Strike Back which also uses computers/technology will be classified as Sci-fi because there's nothing special used in Searching technology-wise that hasn't been used in Strike Back and a lot of other movies.

I also read on contemporary Sci-fi and from what I read, it wasn't under the subgenres of Sci-fi in movies category but rather in novels. None of the sites I read listed contemporary sci-fi as subgenre, but HARD Sci-fi was listed with Interstellar given as an example.

I even went further to Google 2018 sci-fi movies and none mentioned Searching in any way. Even one site listed sci-fi movies movies that are yet to drop this year and Searching was nowhere to be found.


Based on my thorough investigation, I agree with JeromeBlack and a host of every other sites that doesn't place Searching as a sci-fi.

Beorn:
KoiceReloaded, having throughly read through a number of sites, I finally agree that JeromeBlack is right on this one. Searching is no sci-fi neither are James Bond movies and a lot of other movies that the involves the use of computers, science or technology. If that were to be case, that means TV series like Strike Back which also uses computers/technology will be classified as Sci-fi because there's nothing special used in Searching technology-wise that hasn't been used in Strike Back and a lot of other movies.

I also read on contemporary Sci-fi and from what I read, it wasn't under the subgenres of Sci-fi in movies category but rather in novels. None of the sites I read listed contemporary sci-fi as subgenre, but HARD Sci-fi was listed with Interstellar given as an example.

I even went further to Google 2018 sci-fi movies and none mentioned Searching in any way. Even one site listed sci-fi movies that are yet to drop this year and Searching was nowhere to be found.


Based on my thorough investigation, I agree with JeromeBlack and a host of every other sites that doesn't place Searching as a sci-fi.

Beorn:

Sony partnered with MCU to produce Venom. Google it.

troubleseller:
Unfriended: Dark Web. This one does not come near to the prequel at all.

I don't agree that Searching is sci-fi cos there is nothing scientifically fictional about it. All that was done in the movie can be done right now as we speak and that totally disqualifies it. That brings me to the question, is James Bond scifi?

KoiceReloaded:


Contemporary science fiction a scientific study of human society and social relationship. Basically, it is social science. And social science encompasses a wide range of social elements like satire, cyberpunk and whatnot, with a commonality that the story been told doesn't violate the scientific laws of the real world.


Here is the best excerpt that explains this reasonably well:

Ursula LeGuin coined the term "social science fiction" to describe speculative fiction that explores social evolution, change, alternatives, and science impacts on human relationships, rather than the mechanics or physics of technology. It's a fuzzy definition, that would probably include "anthropological" science fiction, cyberpunk, post-apocalyptic narratives, and a number of other hard-to-pidgeonhole works set in alternative universes or on
alternative timelines

In Searching, a story was told entirely through a character's laptop screen, no? Don't tell me you didn't notice the significant role electronic devices (modern scientific technologies) played on the whole plot line. Heck, they were the foundation of the plot lines. The film is very technical without becoming outrageous. It certainly got it right on the contemporary science department - all true websites, technologies, and how modern technology plays quite an important role in our lives. It doesn't get more contemporary science fiction than Searching, buddy. The film ticked all the right boxes, and more.

I haven't watched Unfriended, but by the sound of it, I'm fairly certain it falls within the boundaries of contemporary sci-fi too.

JeromeBlack:



How market?

KoiceReloaded:


Lolz. It's not merely by looking, you gotta know what to look for and where to look. You ain't looking at the right places.

On 007, go through this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy-Fi_(subgenre)



On Searching, it's a contemporary sci-fi, buddy. You don't have to believe it. It is what it is. Maybe in about 5 to 10 years period, when you google it again, you will see it the IMBd sci-fi category lists. A lot of experts don't know much about it right now, as it's a relatively new movie.



My brother whom is into scriptwriting taught me all I know about genres. I wish there's a way I can get him to come school y'all on this topic. Anyhoo, I'm done trying to explain. What you don't know, you don't know.



PS: FYI, contemporary science is better known as social science fiction. Like I said, it's not merely by looking, you gotta know what you're looking for.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Social_science_fiction_films

KoiceReloaded:
For those that are still doubting Searching has something to do with tech, or that tech didn't play any major role:


https://variety.com/2018/film/asia/sony-searching-rise-convention-john-cho-1202871254/

https://m.scmp.com/culture/film-tv/article/2168124/searching-film-review-john-cho-hi-tech-mystery-thriller?edition=international

https://m.gulfnews.com/leisure/movies/reviews/searching-film-review-a-riveting-and-enigmatic-tech-thriller-1.2282753

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/searching-is-a-technological-marvel-heres-how-they-made-it/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/movies/searching-movie-technology.html

https://nowtoronto.com/movies/reviews/searching-john-cho/


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