Promhize:

Did you just say Ooni of Ife is stupid? May it never be well with you. Free your mind. Your king is stu.pid just like every other human

4Wilywily: Oyo people are the real and Superior of all other Yoruba , Alaafin of Oyo is more superior than ordinary village head from ile ife call Oni

PAGAN 9JA:
[size=24pt]THNX BE TO THE GODS!

KABIYESI OONI IFE!!!!!!!


I HOPE THIS WILL PUT THE FOOLISH DISCUSSIONS TO END ON NAIRLANAD, REGARDING THE DITORTION OF YORUBA ORIGIN!


NO ONE CAN DESPUTE THE OONI!

HE SPEAKS FOR THE GODS!
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macof:

You are back

Jazzgreen: my bible said STUBBORN ANGELS aka demons were chased down from heaven, Yorubas said ODUDUWA fell from heaven, hmmmm, hope something is not similar here

ngozievergreen: so, whats the original story and what exactly was distorted?

macof:

Do u realize that Ife was once a colony of Oyo?
And the Ooni must have payed homage to Alaafin as his head

Back to Oranmiyan, he is was c
Heir to Ile-Ife and most honored in Ile-Oodua after Oduduwa's death.

He personally established Oyo to be superior to Ife, and all taxes collected from his siblings were put into Oyo's development.

I think Alaafin is superior in matters outside spirituality and traditions

Konmight:
Bros, that chain is still at Enuwa up till now, it's a sacred land and has been fenced. Some years back(I don't know when precisely) some Oyinbos came to steel the chain(I don't know what they do with the stolen artifacts) with the help of some corrupt locals, they wanted to dig the chain out with payloader/excavator(I have not entered so I haven't seen the machine) but they were unsuccessful as the machine stopped working and stucked while some of the thieves were attacked by a particular spirit(I don't know his name ooooo) and couldn't make it out alive. That was why they fenced the land. I'm not disputing the fact that those deities(401 deities) truly exist in Ife, my problem is the various twisted histories that I've read about Yoruba origin and some events like Kiriji War, Oyo Empire War, Modakeke Ife War etc. They should desist from causing confusions. Success.

Konmight:
Bros, that chain is still at Enuwa up till now, it's a sacred land and has been fenced. Some years back(I don't know when precisely) some Oyinbos came to steel the chain(I don't know what they do with the stolen artifacts) with the help of some corrupt locals, they wanted to dig the chain out with payloader/excavator(I have not entered so I haven't seen the machine) but they were unsuccessful as the machine stopped working and stucked while some of the thieves were attacked by a particular spirit(I don't know his name ooooo) and couldn't make it out alive. That was why they fenced the land. I'm not disputing the fact that those deities(401 deities) truly exist in Ife, my problem is the various twisted histories that I've read about Yoruba origin and some events like Kiriji War, Oyo Empire War, Modakeke Ife War etc. They should desist from causing confusions. Success.

Praktikals: your post betrayed your as a hybrid bastard

aventura:

HRH, Sir Prophet Dr Brig Sijuade





Are u now okay?

saxywale:
he personally created oyo to be superior... really?
yet he later returned to ife(your less superior-the colony) to rule as a king not even as the first king like he was in oyo.. why is that?

niyiadewoy: Oga op or moderator.please edit your post. Traditional kings. Oba and chiefs are not addressed as 'Mr' as u have consistently used in or write-up to describe the OONIRISA .please amend unless there us no respect for culture and heritage where u are from.

mikeapollo:

Please, keep quiet if you dont lnow Yoruba history.. The Ooni is far far ahead of Alaafin. Hostorically and culturally, several Yoruba tradtional rulers were originally far senior and ahead of Alaafin.

Alaafin was only given more prominence and relevance by the British colonial masters because Oyo had the strongest military might among the Yoruba at the tme coupled with well organised administration....

Oyo Kingdom was established by Oranmiyan, who left Ife to Benin, and later to Oyo. Even after he died....Oranmiyan's corpse was returned to Ife for burial and his mystical staff(Opa Oranmiyan) still stands in Ife till date.

Alaafin's re;evance is a creation of politics....Ooni is the spiritual leader and numero-uno among the Yoruba Obas.

Jazzgreen: my bible said STUBBORN ANGELS aka demons were chased down from heaven, Yorubas said ODUDUWA fell from heaven, hmmmm, hope something is not similar here

FOLYKAZE:

People are mixing the spiritual and historical dimension of Oduduwa up.

Dark Energy was what the Yoruba people personalified as Oduduwa. If you could remember in the creation story, Obatala got drunk and Oduduwa took up his task from where he stopped.

- Obatala (deity of white clothes or light) here is the light particle which modern science said it kickstart how the universe came about. This is the major reason Obatala is said to be omnipresent because light spread to the end of the universe which produces space and time. The drunk state Obatala was represent the cooling state of those light particles.

- Oduduwa in the creation hypothesis took over the creation task from Obatala. This implies that the original explosion that created the universe produced massive quantities of light in the form of subatomic particles. As the universe cooled these particles joined together to form simple elements. The elements in turned joined together to form stars. In time, certain stars collapsed, forming black holes that imploded on themselves until they created a fission reaction. This sent huge clouds of complex elements throughout the universe. It was a cloud of complex elements that cooled to form the solor system, and within the solor system evolved the ecosystem that exists in earth. Oduduwa in the spiritual sense is the dark energy.

Western science teaches that all of Creation evolved from the light produced during the primal explosion at the beginning of time. Yoruba teaches that all Creation evolved from the White Cloth of Obatala.....a robe.
The chain used by Obatala to travel from the Realm of the Ancestors to Earth appears to be a symbolic representation of the structure used to transmit genetic information from one generation to the next. The genetic code that is used to form each species is passed through a biochemical substance called DNA. When DNA is viewed under a microscope it appears as a double helix, which is similar to the pattern of a chain.

Symbolic language are used to describe a series of evolutionary events that match closely with the theories of Creation that have been proposed by contemporary Western science. So you should be very careful when handling character in Yoruba spirituality.

Also in the Historical account of Oduduwa, Yoruba people were saying Oduduwa came from heaven which implies that the account provided by the Igodomigodo (bini) that the last Ogiso (king from the sky) son was the person who the yoruba people called Oduduwa.

- Ogiso means king from the sky. So they aint wrong and this got nothing to do with the story in the bible.

- Oduduwa was from the east as believed. Benin is in the east of Ife today.

Get your fact straight man.....when you forget your history, then you are worse than animal. Cheers

Jazzgreen: my bible said STUBBORN ANGELS aka demons were chased down from heaven, Yorubas said ODUDUWA fell from heaven, hmmmm, hope something is not similar here

Konmight:
Bros, that chain is still at Enuwa up till now, it's a sacred land and has been fenced. Some years back(I don't know when precisely) some Oyinbos came to steel the chain(I don't know what they do with the stolen artifacts) with the help of some corrupt locals, they wanted to dig the chain out with payloader/excavator(I have not entered so I haven't seen the machine) but they were unsuccessful as the machine stopped working and stucked while some of the thieves were attacked by a particular spirit(I don't know his name ooooo) and couldn't make it out alive. That was why they fenced the land. I'm not disputing the fact that those deities(401 deities) truly exist in Ife, my problem is the various twisted histories that I've read about Yoruba origin and some events like Kiriji War, Oyo Empire War, Modakeke Ife War etc. They should desist from causing confusions. Success.

macof:

[quote author=Okikiade]The History of Yoruba-Rev.Samuel Johnson is now being rubbish because of stating the superiority of the Alaafin of Oyo over any Oba in Yorubaland! When he wrote the book nobody challenges him of distorting history!Why should Ife people now calling him names now? Onirisa means what the deities owns! Because Oni is a priest son not the rightful heir to throne(Oranmiyan's absence caused it)read more from Samuel Johnson's.

macof:

One thing is Only Ife people claim Oranmiyan returned from Oyo

The Oyos say he was never king at Ife, but they agree he died at Ife

Okikiade: The History of Yoruba-Rev.Samuel Johnson is now being rubbish because of stating the superiority of the Alaafin of Oyo over any Oba in Yorubaland! When he wrote the book nobody challenges him of distorting history!Why should Ife people now calling him names now? Onirisa means what the deities owns! Because Oni is a priest son not the rightful heir to throne(Oranmiyan's absence caused it)read more from Samuel Johnson's.

FOLYKAZE:

This is exactly what the Ooni was saying. Religion has clouded your mentality and this made you to force your history with Arab nomadic.

Yoruba people are not from Mecca. Go and study your History before you start wander like a lost goat.

macof:

Yoruba history doesn't start from Oduduwa.
There were people living in Ile-Ife before Oduduwa.
Oduduwa's time on earth should be around the 10th century

Oduduwa didn't come from Mecca, He might have visited Mecca, but he was not Arab. It's much logical to believe he came from Igodomigodo(ancient bini) or Some other cities around the east of Ife notably Iwo

macof:

Do u realize that Ife was once a colony of Oyo?
And the Ooni must have payed homage to Alaafin as his head

Back to Oranmiyan, he is was c
Heir to Ile-Ife and most honored in Ile-Oodua after Oduduwa's death.

He personally established Oyo to be superior to Ife, and all taxes collected from his siblings were put into Oyo's development.

I think Alaafin is superior in matters outside spirituality and traditions

mikeapollo:

Who made Ife a colony of Oyo? Where did you get your history? Ooni of Ife had nou?
Before Oyo was established, there had been other Yoruba kings and kindoms. It is not as if Oyo came immediately after Ife.
Oyo was established much much later.
And if Oranmiyan's body was buried at Ife when he died.....what does that tell you?
Ooni of Ife is the undisputed numero-uno, the historical, spiritual and cultural head of the Yoruba....Alaafin became recognised by the British because of the military strenght of Oyo.At a time in ancient histroy, a new Alaafin was crowned by the Ooni.

If every kingdom in Yorubaland traces their roots to Ife, then only a drunk person would say the Alaafin is superior to the Ooni!

tpia@:


that was unnecessary, show some class.

you must not be yoruba, that was too uncouth.