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| Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 5:05pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
[size=18pt]Nairaland Interschool Debate: Elimination Stage[/size] Ladies and gentlemen, the educational aficionados, the cerebral analysts and pundits, respected Nairaland intelligentsia and commentariat, observers and watchers all well respected Nigerian students both in Nigeria and Abroad, it's our pleasure to welcome you to the First phase and the Elimination round of the First edition of the NAIRALAND INTERSCHOOL DEBATE between the gladiators of Osun State University  And that of Ahmadu Bello University Zaria  [size=28pt]ABU Zaria (supporting.) VS [color=#00009] UNIOSUN(opposing.)[/size][/color] [size=18pt]ABU ZARIA (supporting.)VS UNIOSUN (opposing.) Topic: Does Nigeria really need Civilian rule [or democracy] to develop? [/size] www.nairaland.com/attachments/1413625_abu_zaria_jpgb006152fb3c126c5cd0e0eaf1cd71766 CHIEF COORDINATOR Olawalebabs Fynestboi Richiez COORDINATORS (mr and miss) BOAY ALICIA KEYS HONEYDEAR ABU MIKEY KESSY MISCALLENOUS ONWORDI AGROVICK WILL007 Cordinators Incharge: [url=https://www.nairaland.com/abu%20mikey]Abu Mikey[/url] and Honeydear Judges: Maclutunji Aluta Continua Date: Friday 13th December 2013. Time: 1pm-4pm No African time   Venue: Nairaland Education Section For those who have not been following, you may go through the history here: NAIRALAND UNDERGRADUATES PLANNING THREAD Kindly click on here for other fixtures of this elimination round. fixtures |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 5:06pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
PROCEDURES 12:55 -- Debaters and judges take seats, register presence 1:00 -- Coordinators Boay and agrovick declare the debate open 1:00 - 1:20 -- Debaters post their arguements within 15 minutes, its advisable debaters use less than 750 words to make it easier for the judges to read, there is no harm in having more than 750 words but the arguements must not exceed 850 words 1:20 – 2:20pm - A debater takes on his opponent, attempts to puncture his opponent’s points. This a debater does by quoting, highlighting the area to puncture and countering it i.e regular way to reply on Nairaland. While this is going on the judges can take their time to go through the write ups by the debaters. And also Debaters respond to punctured areas in his earlier arguments. He may buttress further. At this time frame. 2:20 – 2:40pm – Judges post questions to debaters either based on what the debater has posted or just reasonable question within the theme. Judges should be specific as to who they are posting the questions to. E.g “Mr ...., could you expatiate what you meant by so so so? or ...., pls give examples of your claim that xxxx”. This is not compulsory. A judge that doesn’t have question to post to the debaters need not do so. 2:40 – 3:00pm – Debaters respond to questions raised by judges 3:00 – 03:20pm – 2 Questions will be entertained from the audience i.e viewers. This will be based on ‘fastest hand’. The coordinators will announce ‘audience, you may now ask your questions’. After the 2 questions have been posted, any other viewer-post will be hidden. NOTE: -The judges and audience can throw their questions without quotations but the contestants should answer with quotations and separated for each questions. 3:20 – 3:30 – Debaters respond to audience questions and concludes their arguments. Debaters who were not asked any questions can still conclude his/her arguments. 3:30 – 3:40 – Judges compile the scores and mail to coordinators: ************** 3:40 – 4: 00pm Coordinators announce results. Thread thrown open for regular Nairaland discussion. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 5:06pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
JUDGING CRITERIA (5 marks each) 1. Presentation (opening, flow, closing, response to judges questions, audience questions and contestants rebuttals) 2. Logic of arguments 3. Strength of facts, examples, cases. 4. Persuasiveness 5. Demonstration of knowledge and understanding of the subject |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 5:07pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
RULES 1.) Two contestants representing their school in this Interschool Debate Elimination stage will have to confirm their availability for the debate a day before the debate proper. Failure to do so will result in the defaulter been disqualify and the opposing or supporting side that duely declare availabily will automatically be declare as the winner. 2.) The recommended font size is the default size (size 8.) and the colour is GREEN for the supporting side and BLUE for the opposing side. Please note that you are to use the designated colour all through the debate period. 3.) The essay should be min. 750 max. 1000 words . 4.) The use of SMS language and abbreviations are strictly forbidden. 5.) All materials used should be properly referenced at the end of the essay. 6.) All essays, responses and conclusion must be submitted within the stipulated time frame stated in the time schedule as posted by the coordinator |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 5:10pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Please while the debate is going, only the debaters, judges, coordinators, Supermods(if need be) can post. It is only at the audience question window that a viewer can post on this thread. Pls let's comply, default attracts 3 hours ban(duration of the debate). You can however comment simultaneously at thePlanning thread Thank you. Debate starts by 1:00pm on FRIDAY. Come and witness the mother of all e-debates on the biggest section of the biggest online forum in Africa. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Fynestboi: 5:13pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Judges and debaters please register your presence on the planning thread The debate is hereby declared open  |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:56pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
My esteemed Judges, illustrious co-ordinators, fellow co-debaters, learned audience, all other protocols duly observed. I'm Larride [chief speaker representing Uniosun] and I'm indeed honoured to oppose the motion that states: Does Nigeria really need Civilian rule [or democracy] to develop? Firstly, what is democracy? According to the Oxford dictionary "Democracy is a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives." Democracy is meant to be a government of the people by the people and for the people, but here in Nigeria, democracy has been a government of the elite by the elite and for the elite. Nigeria is home to various tribes and religion and when democracy is just an election to decide which tribe wins the spoils in a grab for power and wealth, it will fail. Democracy has to provide guarantees of individual rights, and must have some sense of shared destiny among the varied groups voting if it is to be a success. Nigeria is a country that is blessed with lots of natural resources even more than some countries in the world but our development seems to be crawling when infact we should be developing faster than we are currently given the resources at our disposal. Yes, our democracy is still young but since we returned back to civilian rule in 1999 till date, we haven't actually made much progress. Thus the question "Does Nigeria really needs civilian rule (democracy) to develop"? The answer is absolutely NO. let's check fuel price during the military and civilian regime: History of fuel price increases in Nigeria Gowon, 1973: 6k to 8.45k (40.8%) Murtala, 1976: 8.45k to 9k (0.59%) Obasanjo, October 1, 1978: 9k to 15.3k (70%) Shagari, April 20, 1982: 15.3k to 20k (30.71%) Babangida, March 31 1986: 20k to 39.5k (97.5%) Babangida, April 10 1988: 39.5k to 42k (6.33%) Babangida, January 1, 1989: 42k to 60k Private vehicles. Babangida, December 19, 1989: moved to uniform price of 60k (42.86%) Babangida, March 6, 1991: 60k to 70k (16.67%) Shonekan, November 8, 1993: 70k to N5 (614%) Abacha, November 22,1993: petrol price drops from N5 to N3.25k (-35%) Abacha, October 2,1994: N3.25k to N15 (361.54%) Abacha, October 4,1994: price drops from N15 to N11(-26.67%) Abubakar, December, 20, 1998: N11 to N25 (127.27%) Abubakar, January 6,1999: N25 to N20 (-20%) Obasanjo, June 1, 2000: N20 to N30 (50%) Obasanjo, June 8, 2000: Petrol price reduced to N22 (-10%) Obasanjo, January 1, 2002: N22 to N26 (18.18%) Obasanjo, June to October, 2003: N26 to N42 (23.08% Obasanjo, May 29, 2004: N50 (19.05%) Obasanjo, August 25, 2004: N65 (30%) Obasanjo, May 27, 2007: N75 (15.38%) Yar’Adua, June 2007: N65 (-15.38%) Jonathan, January 1, 2012: between N138 to N250 (112.31 to 284.62%) With the above, we can say that during the military era, the fuel price was relatively stable and reasonable unlike when we returned back to the civilian rule, The general notion is that things will get better, but it actually got worse. The military left fuel price at #20 but today fuel sells for #95, yet we are not seeing any benefits of the increment in fuel price. Civilian rule was meant to bring in a better living condition for the populace and not compound our misery. Even during Abacha maximum dictatorship, he was able to set up the Petroleum Trust Fund to warehouse subsidy funds for special interventionist engagements. Let's look at the life of Muammar Gaddafi, The late de factor leader of Libya. On economic reforms: With crude oil as the country's primary export, Gaddafi sought to improve Libya's oil sector. In October 1969, he proclaimed the current trade terms unfair, benefiting foreign corporations more than the Libyan state, and by threatening to reduce production, in December Jalloud successfully increased the price of Libyan oil. In 1970, other OPEC states followed suit, leading to a global increase in the price of crude oil. The RCC followed with the Tripoli Agreement, in which they secured income tax, back-payments and better pricing from the oil corporations; these measures brought Libya an estimated $1 billion in additional revenues in its first year.Increasing state control over the oil sector, the RCC began a program of nationalization, starting with the expropriation of British Petroleum's share of the British Petroleum-N.B. Hunt Sahir Field in December 1971. In September 1973, it was announced that all foreign oil producers active in Libya were to be nationalized. For Gaddafi, this was an important step towards socialism. It proved an economic success; while gross domestic product had been $3.8 billion in 1969, it had risen to $13.7 billion in 1974, and $24.5 billion in 1979. In turn, the Libyans' standard of life greatly improved over the first decade of Gaddafi's administration, and by 1979 the average per-capita income was at $8,170, up from $40 in 1951; this was above the average of many industrialized countries like Italy and the U.K. Despite being a dictator like everyone claimed, Gaddafi actually improved the life of Libyan and whatever libya was/is today was partly because of him. When Gaddafi was thumped by rebels in 2011, look at the economic state of Libya and you will understand and come to appreciate the man called Gaddafi. Let's take a closer look at Egypt, they haven't known any form of rest when Mubarak was ousted because they claim he was a maximum dictator but they forgot that he actually brought a lot of economic reforms and brought them stability. Which one would you prefer, A stable Egypt with Mubarak as their leader that keeps making progress or the now chaotic Egypt, Your guess is as good as mine. What we need as a nation to develop are selfless leaders, leaders who are visionary, determined and have the courage to walk the long walk. Whether democracy or autocratic doesn't change a thing once we still parade the same set of leaders who are only concerned about looting the treasury. We need a leader that will stand tall, a fearless leader who can harness all our strength together to make us stand tall among other respectable countries among the world, Democracy has failed us. Thank You!! REFERENCES: http://www.vanguardngr.com /2011/10/subsidy-removal- a-history/ http://www.vanguardngr.com /2012/01/fuel-or-fraud- subsidy-war-nigeria-loses- n2trn-in-six-days/ http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi 1 Like |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Fynestboi: 2:03pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Go ahead sapientia. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by sapientia1(m): 6:28pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
Good afternoon Mr. Chairman, moderators, panel of judges, time keeper, co-debaters and informed ladies and gentlemen. My name is sapientia and i'll be opposing the topic which is: "DOES NIGERIA REALLY NEED CIVILIAN RULE OR (DEMOCRACY) TO DEVELOP? First and foremost, military rule is a form of government wherein the politics and power of the nation reside with the military. The military as we all know often has more cohersion and institutional structure than most civilian institutions of society. They are coherse in the sense that they maintain absolute discipline within every aspect of governance. Looking at the things our democratic leaders are doing all in the name of immunity clause, one will begin to consider military regime as the best option for NIgerians. In the military era, there was a total rule of law and respect to national duties. No government employee wants to joke with his/her national duties, military men have and carry guns, yes but it doesnt make any difference. It's not like they roam about the streets and kill innocent civilians. During the military era of General Yakubu Gowon, Nigeria achieved alot of success and developments....from the aviation sector to education and to security, thus enhancing and improving rapid developments. There were foreign investors in every nook and cranny of the nation, nobody was scared to do business in the country. But sadly, nowadays we witness a poor government, we have issues when legislators fight and chase each others with maze sticks, we now have a democratic government where terrorists boasts and threaten the nation, a government where politicians term elections as a "do or die" affair, a democratic government where lecturers go on strike for six months, a democratic government where corruption is the order of the day and even extended to admission into education institutes, i can go on and on. I can say boldly that this democratic governance we're witnessing in this country is by far cheating and depriving us of our rights. During the military rule, we had diligent and trained rulers who were committed to development of the nation as nearly 80% of developments in present day Nigeria came from that time. I just cant imagine Nigeria sweating over the boko haram sect for the past years without a permanent solution yet, its pathetic because tourists find it very dangerous to take a tour to our ancient nothern cities. This is a mere peice of cake for the military rulers, i could remember my dad reminiscing and telling me about how we once had a serious and good government then. But what we now have is a total confused and greedy government. We as a nation have lost our dignities and pride among other nations in the diaspora, wenve had enough of these people who are not even afraid of anything....they term themselves as demigods. Its hightime we wake up and embrace a strict government rather than sleep and watch these Politicians ruin everything the military achieved. It's hightime we woke up from our slum and embrace the right people....people who are trained and educated, not spoilt "children" from abroad. THANKS |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Fynestboi: 6:36pm On Dec 11, 2013 |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Mhyke: 7:43am On Dec 12, 2013 |
The notion is 'does nigeria really need a civilian rule to develop?i am here to say 'yes' in support to this but first things first. Greetings to the judges,chief coordinator,coordinators and those who took their time to follow this. Democracy is a system of government whose power is vested in the people and is exercised by them or via elected agents(by the people,for the people and to the people) Development in a country is defined and rated using the standard of living of the people as a major parameter which is dependent the technological and economical status of country. u will agree with me that development doesn't just happen,it is dependent on some factors.stay with me and see how the democratic government favours these conditions. Firstly,the first step to development in a country is the existence of a good relationship between its leader and its people.The system of voting the democratic shows a good sign to that The people are allowed to vote a leader that suit their choices into power none just comes out of the blue and start exercising a dictatorship government over them(against their wish). The government is two sided-the leader and the people,not the leader alone. Furthermore,the government administration contributes to the development of a country and a democratic government is in favour of that. The people have the right to speak,express their mind and make their desire known to the government without the fear of being assaulted. For instance,ASUU embarked on strike with the aim of coercing the government into improving the educational standard of the country(which is 1 property of a developed country),the government resulted into reasoning with them and negotiating with them.They ended up reaching an agreement and are resuming next week. Now the future leaders of the country can have the hope of a standard education as in DEVELOPED countries whereas in an autocratic(authoritative) goverenment, there is hardly any such thing as negotiation.The people can even question the government about how the country's resources and funds are administered but a case where all decisions are made by the leader, irrespective of the interest of his people with the people denied the freedom to speech(with a penalty of death or luckily 'jail) can't lead to development of the country. Also,the stability of the government in the democratic improves development, the leader has an allocated time to reign and execute his plan for the economy before being replaced by another leader with another agenda. This gives the people the option of making another choice if the former leader doesn't suit them.They are not faced with the problem of different leaders lording over them at sudden times, all with different plans for the economy as a result of 'coup de tat'. In addition,a democratic government is more liable to experience economical peace which motivates foreign investors to invest in such country but most military governments are accompanied by rebels that exhibit their rebellion by devastating buildings and prominent infastructures which discourages foreign investment thus posing a huge hinderance to economical development. Moreover,taking a trip down the memory lane,we'll attribute the current state of the Nigerian economy to the administration of past military leaders(giving most of the credits to general sanni abacha and Babaginda).These two have ruled against the popular belive that only democratic government engage in embezzlement by almost embezzling the country itself. Conclusively, using the world leading countries in economical development and technology as case studies,we will credit the larger part of the success to the system of democracy employed in those countries, while many of the countries under a dictatorship government will have a sad tale to tell.Anexample is The republic of Congo whose government was once referred to as prototypical kleptocracy- "rule by thieves". The relationship in democracy can be likened to that of a leader and his followers while that of the military can be compared to that between a boss nd his servant. Which relationship is more liable to enhance development? In other words,democracy spells out 'Freedom' while dictatorship government emphasizes 'SOPHISTICATED SLAVERY'. I'm sure these points i portrayed will confirm the thoughts of the reader that 'Nigeria needs a civilian rule to develop'. I rest my case http://wiki.answers.com /Q/What_are_some_disadvan tages_and_advantages_of_Di ctatorship |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Fynestboi: 7:50am On Dec 12, 2013 |
resxul: Good afternoon bevy of judges, honour to the chief coordinators ,coordinator and homage to other officials and fellow viewers. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:00pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
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| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Fynestboi: 1:06pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Debaters go thorugh your argument for 10mins before we move to the next stage.... |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 1:22pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Debaters can now puncture and take on their opponent's arguments. You also need to respond to your opponent's questions. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by sapientia1(m): 1:29pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Mhyke was talking about free interactions between the citizenry and the government, you'll never get that in a democratic NIgerian society, that's totally out of point. I'll like you to shed more light on this please and perharps an example |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 1:33pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
sapientia1: Mhyke was talking about free interactions between the citizenry and the government, you'll never get that in a democratic NIgerian society, that's totally out of point. I'll like you to shed more light on this please and perharps an example Mhyke , please answer this question,as posted to You from Sapientia1  |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 1:39pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
For every unanswered question, loss of points follows. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:44pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Mhyke: [color=#006600]I think you contradict yourself with the above in bold. One thing that is certain in autocratic rule is consistency which is definitely lacking in our democracy, every elected official will abandon the work of his predecessors and want to make their own mark to the detriment of the people. Show me any successful/developed organization in the world that their leader's ain't autocratic in nature. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by AbuMikey(m): 1:45pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Mhyke: 1:46pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
larride: My esteemed Judges, illustrious co-ordinators, fellow co-debaters, learned audience, all other protocols duly observed. I'm Larride [chief speaker representing Uniosun] and I'm indeed honoured to oppose the motion that states: Does Nigeria really need Civilian rule [or democracy] to develop?Taking a look at the price list,we can consider the increase as somthing normal economically-u cant expect the price of somthing 30 years ago to remain d same till now nd futher,the first exorbitant change wuz made by obasanjo in 1978 while ruling a military government and the most exiorbitant increase in percentage wuz during babangida's military regim dont let us ignore that the first and Only decrease in price wuz made during obasanjo's civilian rule followed by yar'dua's. the increase intially proposed by jonathan wuz #144 bt because d government is democratic,we were able to cry out protest against it leading to it's reduction bt if the government had beenn military,all we cn do is to sit down and accept fate. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by sapientia1(m): 1:46pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Resxul said the military rulers doesnt treat protesters with smiling faces, well we all know the same applies to this democratic government in Nigeria. Last month, ASUU members were severally disturbed and stopped from protesting by the NIgerian police, can you explain some parts am missing from this @resxul? |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Mhyke: 1:51pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
larride:that is the general fallacy but il oppose that.gen murtala's government lasted 4 just 6 months without notice. a military leader can come up today and get killed tomorrow by another.tell me,how is this consistent |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Mhyke: 1:55pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
sapientia1: Resxul said the military rulers doesnt treat protesters with smiling faces, well we all know the same applies to this democratic government in Nigeria. Last month, ASUU members were severally disturbed and stopped from protesting by the NIgerian police, can you explain some parts am missing from this @resxul?luckily,the protestants were stopped not killed which would have been the case in a military government. They wouldnt have bothered to protest if it had been military and looking at the result of that stopped protest, ASUU is smiling right now |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 1:57pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Mhyke: I think you need to recheck those prices you quoted. Abacha was the first Head of State that decreased the price of fuel from #5 to #3.25K that's about 35% decrease in price after he took power from the interim government of shonekan. When OBJ resumes power as civilian president he hike fuel price from the uniform #20 to #30 before he later brought it back to #22. At the end of his tenure fuel sells for #75. All over the world right now oil sales is on the high side and still yet we are not feeling the increase in oil sales rather we are riddled with under-developed. Its on record that during the military era, things are quite okay for the average Nigerian, there's enough of food to eat, there constant power supply which is now crippled under the civilian government. If we are to put the military regime with that of civilian rule in Nigeria side by side, I'm sure you will agree with me that democracy has failed us. |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Mhyke: 1:59pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Abu Mikey:when talking about free interaction,im emphasizing the 'right to speech',the ability to present your opinion to the government. ASUU wuldnt have bothered to embark on that strike if they know the government wont react positively to it.they kept negotiating with them.how would they have been opportuned to negotiate if their is no co ordial relationship? |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by sapientia1(m): 2:00pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Mhyke:Are you trying to say there was never a protest in the military era? or you probably mean the military rulers killed every protesters during their rule? please explain |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by larride(m): 2:02pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Mhyke: You cannot claim a statement to be a general fallacy without providing fact to back it up. In your own words yourself you said Mhyke: [color=#006600]If you claim those words to be fallacy then i can claim that your write up are based on fallacy since the statement is made by you? |
| Re: Nairaland Inter-school Debate:Winner:::: ABU Zaria by Mhyke: 2:02pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
larride:did you say things were adequately okay  what happened to the first three refineries in oil producing Nigeria ?1 Like |
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