phantom: on the first point, i agree completely with you.anyone can head the hospital with a course in administration.i meant the doctors head the health team as regards management of patients.it must be respected otherwise i as a doctor can say a wound must be opened only after five days and a nurse who feels we are all equal would decide otherwise and say the wound should be opened after two weeks.as regards the second issue, who is a consultant? A consultant is the go- to guy or expert in a particular area.because of the different areas in medicine, it became imperative that doctors had to choose specific areas to specialise in post mbbs.after undergoing extra training in a particular field and passing the required exams, you become an expert or consultant in that field.people CONSULT you for help in that particular area.now bros please tell me what extra training nurses and other health workers have under gone in their profession to warrant being called consultants? Look this whole thing to them is a competition.its all about them trying to rub shoulders with the doctor.qed.dont be hoodwinked.

phantom:

Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, or in Latin: Medicinae Baccalaureus, Baccalaureus Chirurgiae (abbreviated in various ways, viz. MBBS or MBChB, MB BS, MB BChir, BM BCh, MB BCh, MB ChB, BM BS, BM, BMed etc.), are the two first professional undergraduate degrees awarded upon graduation from medical school in medicine and surgery by universities in various countries that follow the tradition of the United Kingdom. The naming suggests that they are two separate degrees; however, in practice, they are usually treated as one and awarded together. In countries that follow the tradition of the United States, the degree is awarded as M.D. or D.O., which is a professional doctorate degree.[1]

Doctor, as a title, originates from the Latin word of the same spelling and meaning.[1] The word is originally an agentive noun of the Latin verb docēre [dɔˈkeːrɛ] 'to teach'. It has been used as an honored academic title for over a millennium in Europe, where it dates back to the rise of the first universities. This use spread to the Americas, former European colonies, and is now prevalent in most of the world. [b]Contracted "Dr" or "Dr.", it is used as a designation for a person who has obtained a doctorate-level degree. Doctorates may be research doctorates or professional doctorates[/b]. When addressing several people, each of whom holds a doctoral title, one may use the plural contraction "Drs" (or "Drs." in American English) – or in some languages (for example, German) "Dres." may be used – for example, instead of Dr Miller and Dr Rubinstein: Drs Miller and Rubinstein. When referring to relatives with the same surname the form "The Doctors Smith" can be used. The abbreviation Drs. can also mean doctorandus, a Dutch academic title.

source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Medicine,_Bachelor_of_Surgery
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_%28title%29

Samgreguc:
and you forgot to read where it is written that the M.D is a senior degree to the MBBS? If I may ask, havn't u seen a Doctor with Ph. D?

phantom: he has a basic medical degree but went ahead to do masters and a phD in another feild.stop looking for way where there is no way.it makes you come off as being grossly unintelligent

Samgreguc:
and you forgot to read where it is written that the M.D is a senior degree to the MBBS? If I may ask, havn't u seen a Doctor with Ph. D?

Samgreguc:
hope u knw that in most of those countries where u mentioned, u r not given M. D with just ur basic medical degree, u gat more 4 years to spend and even more.

Samgreguc: Now, you are trying to say an MBBS graduate can teach in the Uni?

phantom: NO!

Samgreguc:
then what are we saying? If you can't teach with the Mbbs, then it isn't equivalent to Msc.

nouveaux: Wonder why its difficult for some people to learn. I think its general, they know it all, who are you to tutor them?
Phantom, PhD is not a pre-requisite for professorship, do your research with open-mindedness.
Also, only Medicine has sub speciality shey? Smh
nonsenstical ego

onomeasike: Unlike ASUU members who don't have their own private universities, the doctors have their own private hospitals that they will divert all their patients to and they start making money especially patients that can afford their private fees.Then when strike is called off, they claim to have been on strike!! They better stop deluding themselves by comparing themselves to Phd holders lecturers.There is difference between capital V and cowleg.

tuoyoojo: @ revolt. Thank u sir for the points u raised. I was rather disappointed wen I came to the part wen u said u were not in a medical doctor. So it wud be right for me to infer u do not have a 1st hand experience of the points I wanted to bring up.

Have u eva watched a child die because there was no oxygen to give

Have u even done surgery with a touch light

Have u even attended to a patient on d bare floor because beds were insufficient

Have u have given your money to patients who couldn't feed let along buy drugs

Do u have an idea wat it feels like to AMBU bag on a neonate non stop for 8hours

Do u know the price doctors have to pay to assist a dying health system

I believe u read the number of times d assoc met wit govt to beta the health sector n how dey were ignored.

Sir with all due respect health and wellbeing is not cheap and I don't see why it shud be an issue wen we ask for beta renumeration and improved working conditions.

If those people calling doctors greedy wud work in a typical general hospital for one week then u would change ur story

If nothing is done patients would keep dying needlessly all in a name of we are trying to manage.I believe that this "let us manage it" mentality got us into the mess we are in now

In the end, its the masses who would be beta for it. If strike is d only music the govt responses to, then by all means let's give it to them in full blast

onomeasike: Unlike ASUU members who don't have their own private universities, the doctors have their own private hospitals that they will divert all their patients to and they start making money especially patients that can afford their private fees.Then when strike is called off, they claim to have been on strike!! They better stop deluding themselves by comparing themselves to Phd holders lecturers.There is difference between capital V and cowleg.

onomeasike: Other healthcare professionals are waiting and watching to see what government will give the doctors and they will demand their own or proceed on strike to press for equal welfare treatment. The healthcare is not like university where the dominant and most influential group are the lecturers.it is a team of professionals. Gej government is in trouble unless he reverts to the era when hospital administration is in the hands of neutral professional hospital administrators

revolt: truth be told, these ASUU nma etc are greedy people.

if their strike would affect, the aristocrats, I'd understand.

lecturers have kept our children at home for 6months, not minding they're destroying phrase future generation, if they'd experienced these sort of strikes during their school days, I'm sure most of them wouldnt be lecturers.

revolt: now these doctors have private hospitals, (which is the sole reason our medical sector is camatose), they'd prefer to nurture these capitalist ventures to the detriment of the govt hospitals.

revolt: I've read somewhere that not everybody with good grades in US , can study medicine, Cos they go through a series of psychological tests, to know if they're psychological built for medical profession. medicine isn't capitalism or profit making, it's philanthropy. irrespective of the fact that renumeration could Foster motivation, this discipline isn't a profit venture, same with education.

revolt: it's immoral and irresponsible for doctors to say they're not working Cos they want a raise. so let the people die.

so in a conflict situation, these guys can't operate, ie war or crises, they'd probably be asking for raise then.

revolt: I've come to realise why the blackman never invents or improves on anything, his values are warped.

revolt: These doctors even with their good paypackages hardly research or improve in medical practices,

revolt: (if not explain to me why people travel to poor India to get better services @ far Cheaper rates). All they want is money, money

revolt: Beastly human beings

eaglechild:
What do you mean by PhD lecturers, MBBS alone is equivalent to PhD not to add fellowship in a speciality.

phantom: you must be stoned! Do you know what an mri machine is?do you know what a ct scan machine is? Do you know what a defibrillator is? Please go round the nation and find out how many of these machines are in government hospitals.i work with radiation in my department.do you know how much my hazard allowance is? 5000 naira.no jokes and it is the same for other doctors including those who handle hiv/hepatitis infected blood in the labs.bros what manner of wickedness is that? Am i not a human being like you? Wont my kids go to school? Wont i and my family eat? Do i send my kids to substandard schools because i am a Doctor?If i didnt go to school at all and earning what i am earning i wouldnt mind.but i went to school to get a highly specialist training and are you are asking me to be charitable.do you know that health care is expensive anywhere in the world and serious governments fund it? What was the issue that led to the recent us govt shutdown? I dont have a private clinic and there are many like me so what is this issue about private clinics? My brother please dont talk about what you dont know.

phantom: reference my earlier posts especially about the professor of surgery.my brother the arguement initially was that mbbs was equivalent to a PHd. To which you disagreed.i went ahead to post links showing that they are both doctorate level degrees.the latter is a research doctorate while the former is a professional doctorate.

fkaz:
If the lecturers don't have good leaders then, they won't be lecturers today and if the young once continue to have somebody like gej as president they can not become lecturers in future

phantom: my teaching hospital has only ONE functional ultraround machine as i type this.i use that machine and scan up to 60 people everyday.we even have to turn back some people because if i have to use that machine to scan everyone that comes, i would be there till 11 at night.one machine! The mri machine in the same hospital is 0.2 tesla (this value indicates the strenght of the magnet in it and the quality of images you get).abroad they use more than 7 tesla machines.see the difference! How much is an mri machine? About 300million naira.what is this amount to the nigerian govt.cant they afford to put at least two of such machines in EACH teaching hospital? Yet nigerians sit in their houses and wonder why people fly to india.

phantom:

Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, or in Latin: Medicinae Baccalaureus, Baccalaureus Chirurgiae (abbreviated in various ways, viz. MBBS or MBChB, MB BS, MB BChir, BM BCh, MB BCh, MB ChB, BM BS, BM, BMed etc.), are the two first professional undergraduate degrees awarded upon graduation from medical school in medicine and surgery by universities in various countries that follow the tradition of the United Kingdom. The naming suggests that they are two separate degrees; however, in practice, they are usually treated as one and awarded together. In countries that follow the tradition of the United States, the degree is awarded as M.D. or D.O., which is a professional doctorate degree.[1]

Doctor, as a title, originates from the Latin word of the same spelling and meaning.[1] The word is originally an agentive noun of the Latin verb docēre [dɔˈkeːrɛ] 'to teach'. It has been used as an honored academic title for over a millennium in Europe, where it dates back to the rise of the first universities. This use spread to the Americas, former European colonies, and is now prevalent in most of the world. [b]Contracted "Dr" or "Dr.", it is used as a designation for a person who has obtained a doctorate-level degree. Doctorates may be research doctorates or professional doctorates[/b]. When addressing several people, each of whom holds a doctoral title, one may use the plural contraction "Drs" (or "Drs." in American English) – or in some languages (for example, German) "Dres." may be used – for example, instead of Dr Miller and Dr Rubinstein: Drs Miller and Rubinstein. When referring to relatives with the same surname the form "The Doctors Smith" can be used. The abbreviation Drs. can also mean doctorandus, a Dutch academic title.

source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Medicine,_Bachelor_of_Surgery
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_%28title%29

tuoyoojo: @ revolt. Sir I have worked in a couple of places mostly in the north and western part of the country and my experience there informed my opnion.granted one bad egg decided to mismanage funds in benin, does that automatically mean all d medical directors are not prudent when it comes to managing scarce resources. Your inference would tantamount to giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it. I hav seen this rot in most of the hospitals I have worked and I make bold to say we are tired of managing.

Give us want we want and if after a couple of years u don't see any visible changes in d health sector then u could go to town castigating us

Does it make sense for a govt to promise to do something and blatantly renege on its promises

It is an offense to seek to do the right thing. When would this country stop "managing" and act like the gaint we claim to be

By the way,are we only asking for increase in salary? Are we not asking for improved conditions also. If you go to a hospital and things are not working properly, wud u not shout to high heavens blaming the doctors.

It never ceases to amaze me why people hate doctors.

We tie people leg mak dem nor go read "meresine"

revolt: hmnm based wa! let the masses die Cos doctors don't feel remunerated accordingly. let's use the scandal at Benin general hospital as a case study infact I'll leave y'all to go investigate what happened there. the funds no matter how minimal haven't been managed well, if your hospitals hve no beds and lights then blame the chief consultant

Samgreguc:
then what are we saying? If you can't teach with the Mbbs, then it isn't equivalent to Msc.