L+G,
In response to lucabrasi's question as per why the Igbos have not won any Nobel Prize in Enginnering, I wish to point out some basic facts, firstly
-There is no Nobel Prize for Engineering.
-In Sciences, We have the brains. The highest scientific award a Nigerian has ever received is The Gordon Bell Prize for SuperComputing by Phillip Emeagwali. To win a nobel prize for Physicsor Chemistry requires a lot of research facilities that our Universities do not have. That factor is not in our control.
As for those who asked why the Igbos are not doing well like the Jews, I wish to point out that in most areas, the highest achievements have been recorded by igbos

1) The (probably) Highest international position held by a Nigerian was held by an Igbo - Emeka Anyaouku (Secretary General of the Commonwealth). Remember that asides the UN, the common wealth may be seen as the largest union of nations across the continents.
At the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting at Kuala Lumpur in 1989, Anyaoku was elected the third Commonwealth Secretary-General. He was re-elected at the 1993 Limassol CHOGM for a second five-year term, beginning in July 1995 - WIkipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emeka_Anyaoku

2)The probably highest position held in the World Bank is also held by an Igbo - Okonjo-Iweala -Managing Director of the World bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngozi_Okonjo-Iweala

3)The highest scientific award a Nigerian has ever received is The Gordon Bell Prize for SuperComputing by Phillip Emeagwali

4)The probable highest banking (and probably economic) award received by a Nigerian was received by an Igbo - Our one and Only Professor Chukwuma Soludo!
He won the World/African Banker of the Year Award,
Central Bank Governor of the year Award and many others
At the 2005 Annual Meetings of the IMF/World Bank in Washington, DC the publishers of the Annual Meetings Daily and African Economy Magazine awarded him "The Global Central Bank Governor of the Year, 2005" , citing the result of his financial sector reforms as unprecedented anywhere within such a short period of time.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5245825/Soludo-scoops-highest-award-the.html
http://www.cenbank.org/OUT/PUBLICATIONS/PRESSRELEASE/GOV/2006/PR%2012A-1-06.PDF
http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/appointment/article11/120607

5)The Most succesful footballer in Nigerian History is Igbo - Kanu Nwankwo

6)The Only footballer listed on Pele's prestigious list of All-Time football legends was Igbo - Okocha. . . commonly referred to as The Legend of African Football

7)You may also want to know that about Professor Bath Nnaji -  a force in robotics and the first man to build an indigenous energy plant. He was one of the inventors of the concept of e-design.

Finally, if you a deep reader, you may know Olaudah Equiano (c. 1745 – 31 March 1797), the first political leader of Britain's black community who was Igbo.
You really need to read about him. He was one of the first people who championed the abolition of the slave trade. There are reports that he may be the first literate Nigerian.  Can anyone produce a written work of any other Nigerian or maybe even a black person before 1800?

Read his history and you will see how an Igbo man in 17th Century was sold as a slave and managed to buy his freedom, travel round the world as far back as the 1700s and end up a multi-millionaire in UK (in todays terms 23 Million Naira) in a time when slave trade was still booming business. Many freed blacks till date may not be as fulfilled as he was back in the days . .
. . .Later, Olaudah Equiano was sold on the island of Montserrat in the Caribbean Leeward Islands. Equiano's literacy and seamanship skills made him too valuable for plantation labour. It also made him less desirable to some slave traders. Equiano was too well educated for some and the fact that he knew how to navigate a ship scared many away from him. He was acquired by Robert King, a Quaker merchant from Philadelphia who traded in the Caribbean. King set Equiano to work on his shipping routes and in his stores. In 1765 King promised that for forty pounds, the price he had paid for Equiano, Equiano could buy his freedom. King taught him to read and write more fluently, educated him in the Christian faith, and allowed Equiano to engage in his own profitable trading as well as on his master's behalf, enabling Equiano to come by the forty pounds honestly. In his early twenties, Equiano succeeded in buying his freedom.
Meaning that he could sail a ship probably even before he was 20.
Read this
. . . . Soon after, the elder daughter died, aged four years old, leaving Joanna to inherit Equiano's estate, which was valued at £950: a considerable sum, worth approximately £100,000 today. . . . . . .23 Million naira in a foreign land where you arrived as a slave and may be the only black man in the neighbourhood. Guess that was why he had to own the estate he lived in.
This is a clear example of how the God-given gift in the Igbos makes them come out of obscurity to build a life and excel beyond their equals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaudah_Equiano
Read His Book too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interesting_Narrative_of_the_Life_of_Olaudah_Equiano

Don't forget o[b]ne of the Greatest Black Mathematicians - Professor Chike Obi who solved a 361 mathematical equation by Fermat.[/b]
http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/PEEPS/obi-chike-fermat.html

Who else there says that Igbos are not naturally gifted people considering that some of these people's families were given only N20 after the war to start a new life.


yours in the struggle for our freedom ,  Biafra must come to pass!

African Tribes vs. European Nations

Colonial ideologists in Africa did not just hypothesize; they acted on their theories as well. For example, since Africans were deemed incapable of forming nations, it followed that African tribes however large in population, and whether or not they had a common history, culture, occupied a contiguous territory etc. could be amalgamated with other tribes to form new “nations”. These new nations were then expected to embark on the project of nation-building with the expectation that at some unspecified future date, they would become true nations, a stage presumably attained in Europe eon years ago. This was how the Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba, some of the largest true nations of Africa became coerced in one unworkable nation-state called Nigeria.

Of course this was a sharp contrast to what obtained in Europe. As shown in Tables 2 and 3 every European nation however tiny had a right to self-determination, a seat in the UN etc. For example, whereas, Luxemburg with 0.04 million population is a fully independent state, over 40 million Igbo, one of the largest true nations of Africa have been denied these rights and coerced into an uneasy alliance with Mohammedans, feudalists etc. in an unworkable  contraption called the Nigerian state. Within our own lifetime, more tiny European nations-states have emerged (e.g. Croatia, Slovania, Georgia, Bosnia etc.) and the high heavens have not fallen.

Table 2:  European Nations

Group Name Location Population Designation Current Status
Luxemburg Europe 0.04million Nation Independent state
Ireland Europe 3million Nation Independent  state
Sweden Europe 5million Nation Independent state
Denmark Europe 5 million Nation Independent state
Iceland Europe 0.3 million Nation Independent state
Liechtenstein Europe 0.03 million Nation Independent state
Norway Europe 4.million Nation Independent state
Portugal Europe 9 million Nation Independent state
Finland Europe 5 million Nation Independent state

Table 3: African Tribes

Group Name Location Population Designation Current Status
Igbo Africa 45 million Tribe Part of  failed state Nigeria
Yoruba Africa 35 million Tribe Part of  failed state Nigeria
Zulu Africa 4 million Tribe Part of South Africa
Hausa Africa 38 million Tribe Part of  failed state Nigeria

The rise and Collapse of Pseudo-Federations in Africa

Kanu Nwankwo i scurrently the only footballer in the premiership to have won
-The Champions League
-Premiership
-UEFA Cup
-FA Cup and
-Carling Cup within his career

He is the only Nigerian that has won the African Footballer of the Year twice.
In The Medals table he is the highest in Nigeria with his olympic medal too.
Factually, he is officially the most successful Nigerian Footballer.

All You Niger-Deltans that believe that the Igbo man is your problem (when the Yorubas who have colonized Shell, Mobil, Agip etc in your very eyes are really your problem) should also read about King Jaja of Opobo
You'll see a similarity in King Jaja of Opobo's exploits with that of Olaudah Equiano that i posted above.
It's synonymous with how Jews progress.
They arrive a place as refugees or slaves. They start growing in strength and wealth and in a short while they are controlling the economy. That was what made the Native Germans jealous that they started killing the Jews during the holocaust, similar to what we have in Nigeria. The Jews fled to the US in their numbers as refugees and today they control the economy of the US. At the end they have their own country now and we will have ours too. . . .Biafra.

Read about the Inborn Gift of every Igbo Person . . . .here we are looking at Jaja of Opobo who entered Niger Delta (Bonny) as a slave and became a King!

[b]Jaja of Opobo (1821–1891) (full name: Jubo Jubogha) was a Nigerian merchant prince and the founder of Opobo city-state. Born in Amaigbo in Igboland and sold at about age twelve as a slave in Bonny. Jubo Jubogha later took the name "Jaja" for his dealings with the British.
Jaja proved his aptitude for business at an early age, earning his way out of slavery, was acculturated according to Ijaw (Ibani) rituals and eventually established himself as head of the Anna Pepple House. Under Jaja's leadership, Anna Pepple soon absorbed a number of Bonny's other trade houses until internal divisions forced Jaja to break away as Opobo city-state in 1867.
Opobo soon came to dominate the region's lucrative palm oil trade, and was soon home to fourteen of what were formerly Bonny's eighteen trade houses. Jaja also moved to block the access of British merchants to the interior, giving him an effective monopoly; at times, Opobo even shipped palm oil directly to Liverpool, independent of British middlemen.
At the 1884 Berlin Conference, however, the other European powers designated Opobo as British territory, and the British soon moved to claim it. When Jaja refused to cease taxing British traders, Henry Hamilton Johnston, a British vice consul, invited Jaja to negotiations in 1887. When Jaja arrived, the British arrested him and tried him in Accra in the Gold Coast then exiled him to Saint Vincent in the West Indies.
In 1891, Jaja was granted permission to return to Nigeria, but died en route. Following his exile and death, the power of the Opobo state rapidly declined.[/b]

@ellyptical
mr ellyptical,why are you doing this to yourself?why have you let your hatred of other tribes beclouded your reasoning and beng objective?
first of all,the factors are not in anybody's control both hausa,yoruba,mid belt,south south e.t.c we r all suffering under the politicians
second,dont let me start on the phillip emegwalli,yes he got the award but dont forget the many controversies trailing him concerning his assertions,just google it and you ll see lol

1)yes we know about emeka anyaoku,how r bout bola ajibola who was heading the international court of justice and has been honoured all round the world.
2)as for okonjo iweala,you should go do your research and discover a yoruba man obasanjo pulled the strings to have her there as compensation

3)go google the controversies surrounding phillip emegwali pls,even on nairaland and before you say its hausa or yoruba you can try the worl wide web
4)chuckuma soludo!hasnt it occured to you by now that  your number 1 to4 is more of politics than merit??
the same soludo that has aided and abetted money laundering and got off his recent investigation by the skin of his teeth, if he is your own idea of an exemplary citizen then by all means you can have him in biafra and put him in charge of your biafran central bank and see what ll happen before a year runs out

5)kanukeep dreaming o you ll soon wake up from lala land,kanu was in nnewi eating fufu and ogbono when them odegbami and co were making nigeria proud
6)so?pele having a likeness for okocha doesnt make him the best footballer,i have seen serious football pundits who have rated okocha less
7)while acknowleding your prof nnaji,i can reel out names of consultants in medecine from uk to the us who are yoruba and other tribes so whats your point

go and read your history books andyou ll realise bishop samuel ajayi crowther was also a great nigerian of the 1800s as well
go and read about king eyo of creek town who waseducated and there have been articles written by early white colonialists that calabar/efik were actually the first to be educated in the whole of nigeria if not black africa and a large percentage of the total slaves that left the shores of africa as a whole left from the efik area,i can find links for you if u want or a trip to tinapa museum ll suffice

as for your olaudah equino,while he has achieved a lot in his lifetime,so also have other tribes like bishop crowther and others who  can show online including hausas,so i seriously hope you r not hinging the igbo superiority on the equino man and the rest of the ibos you have listed on here

of course igbos are naturally gifted but i want you to prove to me that the are better than hausas,yorubas,south souths e.t.c that is my bone of contention
while i wont go into your table of contents line by line its funny you didnt include the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,united kingdom as for your so called tiny states at what cost?go and check out the bickerings and in fightings going on between these you have mentioned and compare their level of economic ,industrial e.t.c growth before they got to the stage,so you r now comparing yourself to luxembourg,ireland e.t.c pleasewake up from your slumber

Ellyptical:

All You Niger-Deltans that believe that the Igbo man is your problem (when the Yorubas who have colonized Shell, Mobil, Agip etc in your very eyes are really your problem) should also read about King Jaja of Opobo
You'll see a similarity in King Jaja of Opobo's exploits with that of Olaudah Equiano that i posted above.
It's synonymous with how Jews progress.
They arrive a place as refugees or slaves. They start growing in strength and wealth and in a short while they are controlling the economy. That was what made the Native Germans jealous that they started killing the Jews during the holocaust, similar to what we have in Nigeria. The Jews fled to the US in their numbers as refugees and today they control the economy of the US. At the end they have their own country now and we will have ours too. . . .Biafra.

Read about the Inborn Gift of every Igbo Person . . . .here we are looking at Jaja of Opobo who entered Niger Delta (Bonny) as a slave and became a King!

[b]Jaja of Opobo (1821–1891) (full name: Jubo Jubogha) was a Nigerian merchant prince and the founder of Opobo city-state. Born in Amaigbo in Igboland and sold at about age twelve as a slave in Bonny. Jubo Jubogha later took the name "Jaja" for his dealings with the British.
Jaja proved his aptitude for business at an early age, earning his way out of slavery, was acculturated according to Ijaw (Ibani) rituals and eventually established himself as head of the Anna Pepple House. Under Jaja's leadership, Anna Pepple soon absorbed a number of Bonny's other trade houses until internal divisions forced Jaja to break away as Opobo city-state in 1867.
Opobo soon came to dominate the region's lucrative palm oil trade, and was soon home to fourteen of what were formerly Bonny's eighteen trade houses. Jaja also moved to block the access of British merchants to the interior, giving him an effective monopoly; at times, Opobo even shipped palm oil directly to Liverpool, independent of British middlemen.
At the 1884 Berlin Conference, however, the other European powers designated Opobo as British territory, and the British soon moved to claim it. When Jaja refused to cease taxing British traders, Henry Hamilton Johnston, a British vice consul, invited Jaja to negotiations in 1887. When Jaja arrived, the British arrested him and tried him in Accra in the Gold Coast then exiled him to Saint Vincent in the West Indies.
In 1891, Jaja was granted permission to return to Nigeria, but died en route. Following his exile and death, the power of the Opobo state rapidly declined.[/b]

lol lol all because of oil you are so desperate to have these oil wells that you have retorted to divide and rule
i wish ken saro wiwa and tohers could see this from an ibo man

I dislike the way other Nigerians show obvious envy of igbos.if JAMB,waec,nysc and other reliable statistics had shown igbos to be less educated,it would have been a reference point for illiteracy by other Nigerians.it however shows otherwise.we should stop this unneccessary envy and give all Nigerians equal chances.i read where someone disputed Kanu's obvious achievements simply because he is igbo.they would soon say okocha is not igbo.why cant we celeberate our collective achievements and stop tribalising everything.

@ lucabrasi and Ellyptica

Cant you see how pointless this arguement is?? Neither of you is willing to give way so leave it at that.

shotster50:

@ lucabrasi  and  Ellyptica

can't you see how pointless this arguement is?? Neither of you is willing to give way so leave it at that.

I'm not arguing with anyone. I was just saying that Igbos were heading for technological independence if not the war and Lucabrasi asked me to show him that Igbos were doing well. I was just expressing my view (that staying in Nigeria has done more harm than good to us) and i was asked to prove that we would have done well if we had seceded.

lucabrasi:

@ellyptical
1)yes we know about emeka anyaoku,how r bout bola ajibola who was heading the international court of justice and has been honoured all round the world.

When you want to pull out points, do your research well and make sure that you do not go where it will never favour you. I am telling you that the Igbos developed very far ahead of you guys long time ago and you are arguing by presenting Bola Ajibola who was the ICJ judge from 1991-1994 whereas Charles Onyeama was the First Nigerian Judge @ the ICJ from 1967 to 1976.
You need to read more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judges_of_the_International_Court_of_Justice

Do you also know that the first Nigerian VC of the first Nigerian University was Professor Kenneth Dike, an Igbo guy?
. . . Kenneth Dike (1917-1983) was a Nigerian historian and the first Nigerian Vice Chancellor of the nation's premier college, the University of Ibadan. During the Nigerian civil war, he moved to Harvard University, Boston . . .
As for Odegbami, he was good no doubt. Same for Yekini, etc. But Kanu is the Most Successful Nigerian Footballer.
Mr Lucabrasi. There is a video on youtube that has an insert on it from BBC coverage of the war. It was said by the BBC correspondent that the Igbos were highly educated as far back as during the independence. The bulk of the freedom-fighters were Igbo. I'm not playing down on how good other Nigerians are but I put it to you that if we had seceded, we would have been far far far ahead of where this country is now and where most other fragments of the failed Nigerians would have been. That is what gives us the courage to want to secede.
Are all these coincidences?
Where were other tribes when we were developing our God-given talents far back? When we now wanted to secede they were quick to try to hold us back. . . .lol

The UNIDO (the arm of the UN that is responsible for Industrial development) flagged Nnewi as a potential Industrial city because of their natural swiftness with anything automobile, mechanical stuff, engines, motor spare parts etc . They also flagged Aba for leather works. If we had a working government, they would quickly use those UNIDO reports to solicit for grants (thats if there is not enough money) to build maybe an auto plants or something . . they just need to look to japan, china taiwan and repeat what they did in Nnewi so as to harness the potentials.
The Nigerian Nation is a failure believe it or not.

lucabrasi:

@ellyptical
while i wont go into your table of contents line by line its funny you didnt include the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,united kingdom  . . .

You also refer to US but forget that shortly after the American Civil war, the defeated south was re-integrated into government. Again, the war was caused because lincoln wanted to abolish slavery. the south had a lot of manpower from slaves and wanted it to continue. I see it as a war fought out of selfish motives.
The war is long over. How well has the south-east been re-integrated into government.
As for the United Kingdom. How many times Do you  hear that because a cartoonist drew Mohammed, Scottish people started shooting sporadically at the Brits?

Did you not read this post?

[b]Let me qoute a recent event, saturday 29th February 2006 in maiduguri, Bornu state, hausas attacked the igbos and christians living in the city because of a cartoon printed in Denmark. Many people who died on that day didnt even know where Denmark was but they were killed because they were Igbos and properties worth millions were destroyed and nothing was done to stop the killings. I was in maiduguri then and i survived the killings.
I'm a man of peace, but what i saw that day brought tears to my eyes and hardened my heart that few of us igbos decided to mobilise others and start a counter attack to save others even if it meant dying in the act.
that was when the police decided to come out with teargas to stop us from retaliating. what kind of justice do you call that? hmm?
the attack on igbos started about 9am and we began mobilising for counter offensive around 4pm, the hausas fled and the police showed up to disperse us with tear gas!!!  thats Nigeria for you. why didnt the hausas go to the danish embassy in Abuja instead of attacking Igbos
[/b]
Can you believe that such barbaric and cannibalistic acts still happen in this present day as recent as 2006?
Don't forget that European nations do not need as much as the above occurence for them to  split. They don't take thrash.
You are quick to point peaceful nations to me when Igbos are being killed in the North @ the slightest provocation. Point out previously conflicting nations to me and i will show you how they have seceded.
Does it not occur to you that Hausas have an internal hatred for Igbos that makes them to look for the slightest provocation to start killing Igbos like chickens?
Are we co-existing as peacefully as the Uk and the present day US?
Is Brown Not from scotland and yet he is the PM. Has any Igbo been president since after the war?
I may be tempted to point out that you are not too good in analyzing issues with points to drive your idea home.

Since I love to be iinvestigative and read wide i refer to Lucabrasi's quotes
there have been articles written by early white colonialists that calabar/efik were actually the first to be educated in the whole of nigeria if not black africa and a large percentage of the total slaves that left the shores of africa as a whole left from the efik area,i can find links for you if u want or a trip to tinapa museum ll suffice

I need you to find links. There is no knowledge that is a waste.

Meanwhile i wish to point out that your statement that the efiks were the first to be educated and the largest group to leave the shores may be false. From the information i have, the Igbo gene is the most frequent in Black American. Just so that you know, A lot of research has been going into the origin of black americans and they have traced A LOT of them to the Igbo race.
It is speculated the 60% of Black Americans are of Igbo ancestry.

Facts?
Look at these extracts
More and more I'm coming across site in where African-Americans who have taken the time to think and study openly into the ancestral descent of we African-Americans, have come to the blatantly obvious and historically documentively proven conclusion of that we African-Americans are a vastly majority Igbo descended people by about at least a 60% margin.


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In the deep south (Georgia, South Carolina) there were massive coastal plantations known as the Gullah Estates in which were maned by upwards of a 80-85% Igbo majority, and in the Chesapeake region of the nation, especially Virgina, the Igbo made up such a large portion of both the free and slave population of the region that it was nicknamed by the blacks in the area New Eboland (Igboland), as mentioned in an unrelated documentary published in the early 1800's.

Igbo accounted for about 1.3 million of the 1.7 million people exported from
the Bight of Biafra during the era of the Atlantic slave trade. Out of a total of 37,000 Africans that arrived in Virginia from Calabar in the 1700s, 30,000 were Igbo

You may also want to note that the Gullahs in the US are predominatly igbo and the Black Americans wit Igbo origin are becoming a large community. I'm not talking of people that travelled to the US from Nigeria, i am talking of people like
Bishop T.D Jakes
Ne-Yo the Musician
Forest Whitaker. They have been genetically traced to The Igbo race. They even have the Gullah-Igbos and the GeeChee-Igbos in the US.
In contrast to your post that the majority of the slaves were efik,
if you go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people
You'll see that there are about 5 Million Black American Igbos. That is about the highest concentration of any African tribe in American Blacks. Remember I am not referring to Immigrants. I'm talking about those that left as slaves far back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American
http://www.nathanielturner.com/igbosinvirginia.htm
http://africanamerican-igbojewsnet.4t.com/
http://www.saintsimons.com/ebolanding/
http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TNTGIHD5TE7O93KOU

Please give me facts to confirm your point.

My brothers and sisters, please enough of the name callings and attacks on each others tribe. you guys are beginning to sound like mccain(always attacking Obama)
we are all gifted, igbo, hausa, yoruba, kanuri, shuwa, fulani, ijaw, itshekiri, margi, minshika, (too many tribes to mention)etc, please, its high time we stop attacking each other and unite to move forward.
believe me, the reason this country has failed is because of tribal sentiments. giving people positions not because of merit but because of tribe or religion.
after independence, we bagan fighting each other for political offices, trying to marginalise every office. the unfortunate coup happened and it was also tribalised, then the SHIT hit the fan!
now, we've not learnt anything from our history.
Any student of history and government will tell you that "one man's hero is another man's villian"
Hitler was a hero to the nazis, the world and the jews in particular call him a villian and monster. some call him a coward for killing himself
Saddam Hussien, hero to many and villian to the west.( nigerians called him mumu for allowing himself to be captured). some called him coward for hiding.
Napoleon was seen as a hero by france, villian and coward by europe
USA is seen as a world power but many call them cowards, and villians by using smart bombs to target their enemies
IBB was seen as a coward by the military for handing over to Shonekan when the pressure was high
the list is endless
the question should not be who is a coward, but how do we move forward in this Country called Nigeria. We sent Ghanaians packing in the 80s, now look at them. Rawlings repaired Ghana and they are moving forward, muslims and christians alike, no body accuses or discriminates because of the region one comes from or religion.
we should emulate them. they've got very good security, electricity, fantastic roads etc.
i once picked up a Nigerian movie star from Ghana airport last year and he told me he was ashamed of Nigeria and seeing the solar powered street lights and neat roads.
please, we should come together and make changes so as to move forward.
Udo ga achi na Nigeria

@lucabrasi

Because of how objective and unbiased you use to be, i never got to know your tribe until this topic came along. . . . . good to know that anyway.

@posters

The good thing about nairaland is that it has shown us that nigeria may never work. It's a shame we have been wasting so much time and en clamouring for one nigeria when deep down in our hearts, we hate each other with passion.
I want to use this opportunity to thank and encourage the few ones who have kept their hatred in moderation and "reasonable".

nuzo:

@lucabrasi

Because of how objective and unbiased you use to be, i never got to know your tribe until this topic came along. . . . . good to know that anyway.

@posters

The good thing about nairaland is that it has shown us that nigeria may never work. It's a shame we have been wasting so much time and en clamouring for one nigeria when deep down in our hearts, we hate each other with passion.
I want to use this opportunity to thank and encourage the few ones who have [b]kept their hatred in moderation [/b]and "reasonable".

Like You

savanaha:

Like You

My friend, we dont have to keep pretending that tribalism and racism will disappear soon. It will always be part of our being, but we must make sure that it does not consume us. . . . . oops, it has already consumed nigeria.

@ nuzo
Nice one. For that little faith many still have about Nigeria I should think soon we all will exploit that which we have in common and find strength in that. For our well known differences that will be difficult to change but I think we can manage it.

@ many

I think the topic is about the Ikemba role during the war and how he discharged his duty. And the opinion should be on whether we can Judge him a hero or not. Definitely divergent views will be expected.

On the war itself from its genesis to the end, am sure every person will try and justify the roletheir section of the country played at one time or the other. War like chess is a game. Unfortunately we all are pawns and victims the tension built by the politicians and men at the corridors of power with alot of intrigues led to the war.

Unfortunately the scar of the war is still visible.

Hey what is all this shout about My father's house is bigger than your's?
Can we try I am bigger than you?

All this stories of my kins achievement helps no one, because those we take pride in trying to be associated with see quite less of our persons in most case(with few exceptions).

So please let us analyse the topic :Is Ojukwu A War Hero Or A Coward ?

nuzo:

@lucabrasi

Because of how objective and unbiased you use to be, i never got to know your tribe until this topic came along. . . . . good to know that anyway.

@posters

The good thing about nairaland is that it has shown us that nigeria may never work. It's a shame we have been wasting so much time and en clamouring for one nigeria when deep down in our hearts, we hate each other with passion.
I want to use this opportunity to thank and encourage the few ones who have kept their hatred in moderation and "reasonable".

my comments are not a reflection of what tribe im from,what im just pointing out to ellyptical and others is that rather than the tribal/ethnic supremacy which i have likened to adolf hitler's aryan race and claiming that they are better than others ellyptical quota and the others should direct their arsenal and weapons at our collective enemies namely the politicians who are both yoruba,ibo and hausa.
the reason i was countering his arguments with either yoruba ,or south south is to show him that not only ibos have achieved but hausas hence my mention of uthman danfodia,yoruba a crowther ,b ajibola and south south natural resources e.st
the reason nigeria is not working so far is not because of tribal hatred and distrust as the likes of ellyptical ,quota and co will have us believe but because of the politicians of all three tribes who are sucking the nation dry and they should be the one receiving attacks not saying ibo is better than hausa or yoruba or calling south south derogatory names, thats my stance for reasons of clarity in the discourse
example look at the ogun state governor who just received a chieftaincy title somewhere in iboland?with other senators,house of reps hausa,ibo,yoruba present, shows they r all criminals irrespective of their tribe

shotster50:

@ lucabrasi and Ellyptica

can't you see how pointless this arguement is?? Neither of you is willing to give way so leave it at that.

i totally agree with you and point taken
@ellyptical
while i do not mind being educated on stuffs i know nothing about,i can safely say your total references are flawed at best,dont take my word for it but ask anybody even a secondary student and you ll discover wikipedia is not a verifiable source for anything whatsoever neither is it a basis for sound literary reference,please ask anybody if this is true,
as for the barbaric attacks that happened with the hausas killing the ibos,that is part of my argument with you,how come you only mentioned the ibos that were killed?what of the other tribes that were killed?
theres a friend of mine here that his father's mattress and cushion factory was razed to the ground and his houses and cars burnt ,all running into tens of millions of naira and he is yoruba,i know of same thing that happened to a woman from calabar,even benue state would you believe,
lets not take issues from the top but actually look at the root causes,the same thing happening there is happening in iraq,afghanistan e.t.c
hausas do not naturally hate ibos,its a few rich hausas who are paying the miscreats/almanjiris to ferment trouble you and i know that for sure so lets not pretend
the imams brainwash them into doing these stuffs
i can name not one or two prominent hausa fulani boys i know here who are going out with proper ibo girls and a friend of mine who is here with me with his gf who is the daughter of an eze smwhere in anambra and the dad knows without any objection
yorubas,hausas,south south e.t.c who constitute majority of the 140smthn million are all suffering under politicians from ibo,hausa,yoruba,south south so secession will not change that,will secession change people like the andy ,chris uba family?even if there is a biafra they will still use their money to bring corruption to the nation ,same as other corrupt politicians that is my stance here,and i will still reiterate that show me an unbiased, verifiable and reliable literary source apart from wikipedia and we r in business and not only ibos have achieved but yorubas,hausas,south south,even middle belt(the afonja worriors,nupe e.t.c)

nuzo:

My friend, we don't have to keep pretending that tribalism and racism will disappear soon. It will always be part of our being, but we must make sure that it does not consume us. . . . . oops, it has already consumed nigeria.

it will and cannot consume us if we do not allow the same thing the colonialist did again in our country namely divide and conquer,
you will note its the same thing used to hold slaves in america and the carribean in perpetual slavery making a few white people and few weapons rule over millions of able bodied slaves classifying them into house slaves,field slaves,light skinned,dark skinned e.t.c
look at the welsh in uk,they have a distinct identity and language but they still proudly carry their red passport though they have their distinct identity,look at the scottish too,while they want to control their natural resource they still hold their passport proudly

nuzo:

The good thing about nairaland is that it has shown us that nigeria may never work. It's a shame we have been wasting so much time [size=13pt]and en clamouring for one nigeria when deep down in our hearts, we hate each other with passion. [/size] I want to use this opportunity to thank and encourage the few ones who have kept their hatred in moderation and "reasonable".

Amazing. .  . huh??

I used to think that the problem with Nigeria was just the "Abuja tribe", but experiences on ground and the things shamelessly voiced here on NL has proved otherwise. what with people like Bily goat getting up and just dust his ass and stretch and start calling Ojukwu  a coward ?, or Luca and kiwi that champion the retrogressive motion that Ndigbo ever wronged the NDs and are still their problem today.

I have asked them  a question :
at what time did Ndigbo force NDs to join in the Biafran struggle - None has answered
was is not both NDs and Ndigbo that were being massacred in the north - None has answered
if NDs did not want to be part of Biafra initially , why not declare a parallel republic of ND from the onset - None has answered
The only thing kiwi could do is to give more details of how NDs sabotaged Biafra and trying to cover up with the very silly claim that Ndigbo planned to exterminate his people . if your people were co-operating with the enemy as you said , thereby causing the Biafarans to evacuate your town (in order to defend that post properly without interference by you rats) how does it help your arguement . iberibe is a killer o o !!!
Luca instead of answering my question "what has NDs got apart from hostages? "is busy covering up with yoruba professionals, and swerving from one side of issue to the other like a veritable pendulum- do you think that you are deciving anybody that you speak for one Nigeria?. Biafra was meant to give every citizen of it (Ndigbo and NDs alike) freedom from the northern oppresors and NDs stupidly sabotaged it- eat the bitter pill dude !!

Honestly i'm so surprised that you guys want us to take you serious in this forum, the way you argue agaisnt your own point.

Some one said that  we should work together to move the nation forward; MOVE A FAKE NATION FORWARD  . This forum is just amazing, do you guys think that if people like Luca enter Aso Rock they will do any thing better than continue the Judas game?. seriouly , let me tell you the truth that hurts so bad, if we apply the "Rawlings remedy" to the "Abuja  tribe" as some people refer to them here, there are still millions of Luca Judases around to mess things up a second time. Luca b/4 you start your normal rave about oil again let me remind you again that before oil, there was coal,before coal there was palm, groundnut, and cocoa. open your mouth now and tell me that ND did not collect allocation from those either.  Stup !!!.

@scantless
all i am advocating for is one nigeria,im not holding brief for nds or yorubas or hausas
all kiwi was doing was rationalising the reason why the nds opted to support nigeria rather than biafra,you will agree that in a war situation a region has to make decisions that will favour their people either rightly or wrongly,same reason why ibos generally agree ojukwu is a hero irrespective of what non ibos think of him.

yes its the same nds and ndigbos massacered in the north,lso yorubas were massacared,kwara,kogi e.t.c were massacared its not because hausas hate them but because of the fifth columnists in the north,im not saying dangote was amongst them but i know of an incident in the 1990s where a dangte trailer was found loaded with weapons and explosives of all sorts,lets be honest here the almajris/miscreants are being brainwashed and teleguided to do these stuffs, that is my point here

from what i understand of the nd situation,they couldnt have done that then because they didnt have the wherewithal both financially and otherwise,their advocation for a seperate nation now is at best comical with ther so called mouth piece like dokubo and the rest blowing hot and cold

as for me entering aso rock,to be honest with you,omo i will chop money o so please dont even use me as a moral compass, me i like enjoyment o abeg
ill ask you some questions in return
who are the people sucking the nation dry?politicians of all tribes or only hausas?
like you said i wont mention oil so lets forget about oil for a second,lets assume biafra was a great sucess do you think the corruption malaise in nigeria will not infect them too with the likes of them ngige,ady uba,soludo,okereke e.t.c(btw im not being tribalistic here but im mentioning ibo nams because of the biafra point im making)
nd collected the allocation and messed up because they have corrupt politicians like ibori,odilli and co
yorubas collected allocation and messed up because of corrupt political leaders like adedibu,akala,tinubu and co
ibo collected allocation and messed up because of corrupt leaders like ngige,uba e.t.c
kwara,kogi collected and messed up because of the likes of saraki,lar e.t.c

the point im making here is that the problem of ibos and nigerians including yoruba,hausa,mid belt e.t.c are the politicians stealing,when they see all the tribes gathering together to condemn them,they start the divide and rule tactics and bring tribalism into verything, its worked so far, examples,
when ibori was charged to court for embezellment,instead of facing his charges,he brainwashed supporters into saying they r after him because he is a niger deltan,same thing with alamisgheha e.t.c i can reel out examples of politicians using tribal sentimnts to further their interests so lets open our eyes and not let ordinary politicians some of who bought their degree cerificates tell us whats what
hope i have made myself clearer

@ Lucabrasi about my references.
QUTOE BY LUCABRASI . . .while i do not mind being educated on stuffs i know nothing about,i can safely say your total references are flawed at best,don't take my word for it but ask anybody even a secondary student and you ll discover wikipedia is not a verifiable source for anything whatsoever neither is it a basis for sound literary reference,please ask anybody if this is true,

Please note that the fact that wikipedia is open source does not mean that its facts lack authenticity.
U have acknowledged liking to be tutored in ares that you do not know much in (like talking about US without knowing the root causes of the American civil war etc.) and I will butress on thet love of yours to be tutored to also tutor you on wikipedia.
Wikipedia is a reference of compiled references. What do i mean? I mean that the contributors to articles on wikipedia are expected to submit references from which the information they added can be verified.
Young man, you obviously appear not to be schooled in the art of public debate. When you are countered/disproved, you quickly shift focus and try to fault the source of the facts that were used to flaw your point. Did you take time to look at the bottom of the articles on Wikipedia to see if you could not trace any of the facts to research works and other older encyclopedias?
How can you come on an open thread like this and say "ask a secondary school child"? Is that factual? Is that how you ewould argue if you were in the UN assembly? You'll tell them to ask a secondary school child? Argue with the charisma of facts and sources.
I hereby challenge you to prove your statement and not to eat your word.
You have told Nairaland that Wikipedia facts are not a basis for sound literary reference. I challenge you before Nairaland to Prove it! DO NOT EAT YOUR WORD! PROVE IT!


Young Man, the person you are talking with has a valid sign-on with which he contributes to articles on wikipedia. While that may not be a big feat, it helps one to understand why wikipedia is the largest encyclopedia on earth. I'll leave the rest for you to find out for yourself . . . why it is the biggest and possibly the most accurate encylopedia on earth.
Just so that you know:-
Any article on wiki that has a disputable neutrality or verifiability issue is flagged openly! There are user teams (of whom i discovered are mostly professors) that watch wiki articles for vandalism. Vandalism is when a contributor tryies to inject false or overtly-biased information into wikipedia.

@all,

Listen, if Igbos says that Ojukwu is a HERO, then non Igbos must accept it.  I have never seen any Igbo soldier that fought in that war condemn Ojukwu.  All Biafran soldiers believe that Ojukwu is a hero because they witnessed what the man did.  So, why must non Igbos who did not see Ojukwu's effort (within Biafra's Camp) disagree with it?  I understand why non Igbos feel that Ojukwu is not a hero - just because Ojukwu proved that he was not a push-over.  He disturbed them during the war even when they thought that Ojukwu was about to surrender especially during the FG Operation OAU, Biafrans fought aggressively.  Ojukwu really disturbed FG.  The very reason they believed he is not a hero.  When your own people don't value you, you are finished.  Igbos value Ojukwu and he is happy that his own people appreciate what he did for them.  If other Nigerians like, let them go to hell, it's non of Ojukwu's business.

@ellyptical
i wasnt eating my words,i was only telling you that my opinion on verifiable and proper source to back up your claims , wikipedia is not one of them,as for the assertions you came out with,unless i am mistaken all you did was show some ibo s who have performed in their chosen field,i have equally name a few of other tribes who have equally performed either as good as the ibos or better so whats your point?
the reason why i didnt provide a rebuttal is because we r not getting anywhere with it and its derailing the thread also cause of various comments from ppl including nuzo,samparian e.t.c
and also because its degenerating into a subjective tribal tirade rather than an objective discourse, you can show me 10 ibo people who were masters in their field and i can show you 10 hausa,yoruba,nd who have equally excelled in their fields
in order to get this discourse in its proper perspective

in what specific ways are the ibos better than either the yoruba,hausa,nd,mid belt e.t.c?
if you say the ibos are better,what is the diffrence in that and the nazi racial supremacy?
assuming we agree that there is corruption in nigeria and its the bane of nigeria's full potential,who are the culprits,is it just hausas,yorubas,nd,mid belt without the ibo politicians or they r all included?

yes i am man enough to admit ignorance of what i do not know much or nothing about,is that a bad trait really?i only said you or someone who reeled of stats didnt mention us or uk i never said much more about us neither did you ask me about the root causes f us so what are we talking about here??

so as not to mix stuffs up,throw bullet points at me to answer so we wont be in danger of rambling on and on,as for wikipedia thank GOD you have just proven my point that anybody can contribute on wikipedia,while you pride yourself on being factual and all that,can you vouch for all the other tens of thousands who contribute on their?user teams will check for vandalism when they know about the contents,they wont dispute facts as being wrong or otherwise if they know nuifn about it, no one has a monopoly on knowledge
like i said earlier,i dont want to go into any specific tribal rants so as not to be labelled a tribalist,but throw specific questions at me and ill answer

@ poster
For the records, you are an impostor and a time waster.

You should know that once a man is acknowledged as a HERO at home, it will be of no significance what the opinions of people (traducers) outside are.

@Luca
I regret to inform you that you seem not have the capacity yet to engage in a public debate or argument

@youngies
i wont take your comments serious because the comment you made concerning the topic has shown your political/ethnic subjective leanings, i might not have the capacity to engae in public discourse but nobody has a monopoly on knowledge and certainly not yourself, debates,discourse is about learning from people and sharing your knowledge,not about schooling ppl without learning, hope u get it

hero.

Pastor PLC:

@all,

Listen, if Igbos says that Ojukwu is a HERO, then non Igbos must accept it.

Actually, I beg to differ. Not all ibos regard the man as a hero. So, no need to start making it an IBO VS NON-IBO debate. 

Pastor PLC:

I have never seen any Igbo soldier that fought in that war condemn Ojukwu.

I have. He lives in IL, USA. He fought in the war and does not regard him as highly as some do.

Pastor PLC:

All Biafran soldiers believe that Ojukwu is a hero because they witnessed what the man did.

Not ALL BIAFRAN EX-soldiers regard him in that way. Sorry!!

Pastor PLC:

So, why must non Igbos who did not see Ojukwu's effort (within Biafra's Camp) disagree with it?

Because they have a right to judge him as they choose. And so do ibos and all those in between.

Pastor PLC:

I understand why non Igbos feel that Ojukwu is not a hero - just because Ojukwu proved that he was not a push-over. He disturbed them during the war even when they thought that Ojukwu was about to surrender especially during the FG Operation OAU, Biafrans fought aggressively. Ojukwu really disturbed FG. The very reason they believed he is not a hero. When your own people don't value you, you are finished. Igbos value Ojukwu and he is happy that his own people appreciate what he did for them. If other Nigerians like, let them go to hell, it's non of Ojukwu's business.

I understand the need to UPLIFT the man and PUT DOWN those who do not see him through the same rosy goggles, but COME ON DUDE!!!

If you take time to go through most comments here, you will find out that both sides have been trying to shove their opinion down the throats of who they disagree with. Its not only those that agree that Ojukwu is a hero.

@post
Like i said before, Ojukwu is not seen as a hero by all Igbos, though from what ive seen so far; majority do see him in this light.
To other nigerians, i suppose they see him as a big time coward and people should respect their opinion just like how people should respect that of those that believe that he's a hero.

nuzo:

If you take time to go through most comments here, you will find out that both sides have been trying to shove their opinion down the throats of who they disagree with. Its not only those that agree that Ojukwu is a hero.

True, I just felt the tell the one I have yet to, cause most of the others, I do not feel can be saved from the spirit of " SHOVE YOUR OPINION DOWN MY THROAT AT ALL COST". I have come to accept it may be part of the NIGERIAN disease. If I can help the few who have not heard there is salvation, I will roflmao!!!

nuzo:

@post
Like i said before, Ojukwu is not seen as a hero by all Igbos, though from what ive seen so far; majority do see him in this light.
To other nigerians, i suppose they see him as a big time coward and people should respect their opinion just like how people should respect that of those that believe that he's a hero.

Kobojunkie:

True, I just felt the tell the one I have yet to, cause most of the others, I do not feel can be saved from the spirit of " SHOVE YOUR OPINION DOWN MY THROAT AT ALL COST". I have come to accept it may be part of the NIGERIAN disease. If I can help the few who have not heard there is salvation, I will roflmao!!!

Way to go, but knowing who nigerians are; you may find out at the end of the day that you ve wasted a whole lot of your time trying to educate a set of people who have sworn not to accept anything good.

L + G, M+B,
It is no longer word that recent debates on the politics section that the spirit of Biafra lives in so many of us. In order to avoid derailing the topic of this thread, i have set up a thread specially for our Great Nation of Biafra.
All Biafrans on this thread can contribute to the thread. The thread is specially dedicated to the nation of Biafra. It's main aim is to eulogize our great nation that was nearly nipped in the bud - because we Biafrans know it wasn't nipped yet.
The Great Nation of Biafra
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-186168.0.html
The Nation of Biafra will surely come to pass.

qoute "samparian   Re: Is Ojukwu A War Hero Or A Coward !
« #61 on: October 19, 2008, 04:53 AM »

Its sad that most of the people calling ojukwu a coward were not even concieved at that time and right now have not even seen a battle or a serious gun battle or massacre. Its sad.
its also sad that those doing the name calling didnt bother to read and study history in school. please try and read more unbaised books before you start insulting your fathers.
let it be known that Igbos never wanted to leave Nigeria, but the situation demanded it. Ojukwu is a hero till tomorrow and i pray God blesses him with longer life because when the igbos needed someone to look upto, someone to lead us and Ojukwu lived up to that expectation. my father was a foot soldier in the Biafra army and he was proud to have fought for his homeland.
Let me qoute a recent event, saturday 29th February 2006 in maiduguri, Bornu state, hausas attacked the igbos and christians living in the city because of a cartoon printed in Denmark. Many people who died on that day didnt even know where Denmark was but they were killed because they were Igbos and properties worth millions were destroyed and nothing was done to stop the killings. I was in maiduguri then and i survived the killings.
I'm a man of peace, but what i saw that day brought tears to my eyes and hardened my heart that few of us igbos decided to mobilise others and start a counter attack to save others even if it meant dying in the act.
that was when the police decided to come out with teargas to stop us from retaliating. what kind of justice do you call that? hmm?
the attack on igbos started about 9am and we began mobilising for counter offensive around 4pm, the hausas fled and the police showed up to disperse us with tear gas!!!  thats Nigeria for you. why didnt the hausas go to the danish embassy in Abuja instead of attacking Igbos
i love Nigeria my country anyday and will defend her from her enemies if i must but we, the Igbos should be treated with the same respect accorded other ethnic groups.
Udo ga achi"


           [b] i am from the North.i have read alot about how southerners feel in the different forums and i must admit they feel bitter.first i take your case as quoted above.i don't know if what i say can change anything.i feel sorry over what happened and i will see no ill in you defending yourself towards such aggression.i slightly disaggreee about your position that the Police might be working in the intrest of the North to allow the unrest.you should understand that before now and for sometime now our Police is one of the worst.questions like what is there response time to distress and level of preparedness is what lets the unrest prevail.i also feel for one thing the level of poverty and illteracy has lead to alot of this violence.I ask is it true that all the People of Borno wanted you dead? how true ?i think not! i have stayed in the East and made alot of friends?good friends that we call each other to joke over issues.The Violence is what i hate the most.if i could defend you from such an attack i will. i know that during most of the crisis Enugu has being most peacefull during Chimaroke.I witnessed Killings here in Enugu too during the Kaduna Sharia crisis and the Borno Crisis,also saw the refuges from the far east in 82div. (as it applies non of them killed in Enugu,Imo,Abia etc were involved in the killings of Kaduna eg) .i have come to believe that most of the regions have alot of religious and political differences.our level of TOLERANCE to this issues becomes important.Everybody is just trying to justify it's reason for getting at someone.North,South etc
                    Crisis,War,unjustified killings etc and what ever remains, the wrong way to solve problems.the ripple Effect is what matters if we all knew.about Ojukwu he is a HERO to the Igbos and someone who fought for his intrest and his kins men.so is Ahmadu Bello to the Northern people ,who was killed for no reason courtesy of Nzeagwu Kaduna who was suppose to love him.i believe that is what basically justified the initial hate towards the  Igbo extract.pls when we talk we should all notice that finger that faces the opposite.I love my IGBO friends that if i saw them in trouble i will do anything within my power to help them .i will do anything for that.i mean it.i will break such friendly trust only if they DIRECTLY treaten me with Harm.i suggest you Guys all stop hurting Nigerians and prefer solution.Our leaders are all theives,a Government that Doesn't care about it's people,Security for the average man and patrotism is at all time low.Internal sercurity is at all time low.About the north holding on the south! i say the mutual rivalry could bring about development.The North has the potential to sustain itself.before Nigeria they did.okay about Resource control? i say ask for more.it is yours i don't care.When you get it then may be that is when alot of people from all the regions will have to design solution to that problem.cos as long as there is allocation companies will continue to fail,Agriculture will continue to be at substantial levels and illiteracy will be there.Governors should know when to build faslhy houses and have excess official Government cars.Governor Build the economy in your state and if you like steal from it simple.Most of the Governors have no economic vision for there states.wait and collect allocations is all they do.plan with allocations only.You see if you value your state economy no Governor will let anyone burn his hard work of attracting investors from other tribes or hault people activities.
Not with standing don't look down on any Nigerian as they all have what to offer at different points of time.so cherish Nigeria and your neighbours.i love NDI-IGBO i will do nothing to hurt you my committment to you.like my lecturer said i am Igbophilia,Northphilia etc. Ojukwu if you fit change Nigeria come rule oh! but if na becos you wan come declare Biafra or place only igbos for everything good in Naija at the expense of others,just remain in MASSOB.

To all NDI-IGBO and all other people killed.May God rest there souls and to me they are my Ultimate HEROS.no people who prefer violence in any form.best victories are those bloodless battles.remember person blood na resources to him and those who love him.think before you do it. [/b]

Scanless,

Abeg ur attack on all NDs was unwarranted. Not all NDs got the same mindset like idiots like Luba, or even Kiwi whos whining about Bakana but also admitting that Bakana ppl were sabotaging our struggle. The Biafra government did what was necessary to stop the nonsense and I see nothing wrong with that. Were they supposed to sip wine and tea with them while they made their town the gateway for Nigerian savages? An Igbo village was leveled by Biafran troops when they found out that the villagers turned to cannibalism and were eating corpses of Biafran soldiers. I don't see all Igbos screaming oh lord Ojukwus plan was to exterminate all Igbos so please guys shut the heck up. You always look for the slightest excuse to justify your hatred of Biafra and Igbo people in particular. Scanless is right. The ones that betrayed their own region na double tragedy. DAMN SHAME.


While some Igbos will like to simply lash out at all NDs for the actions of some of their leaders and the dumb comments some of em are here making let us not forget about the Efiong, Kogbara, Opugo, Bassey, Archibong, Akpan, and more who chose to not be cowards and stuck to their belief and struggle to save our region. They fought and led in Biafra regardless of their ethnic affiliation. We were all victims of Nigeria's wickedness to our people, Ibibio, Efik, Ijo, Igbo, etc. We also had the Asika and Elechi Amadi who just like the Wiwa, Adaka Boro, etc who chose to betray Biafra for a few crumbs and we all know where they are now. Elechi Amadi just got kidnapped by ND militants. Good for the old hag.

I haven't seen Willy Willy make any anti Igbo comment, or say anything bad about Biafra. He is not like Luba so its not fair to lump people like him together with the hopeless ones.