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Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 7:00pm On Sep 03, 2008
Is islam against incest? If yes, why do they marry their relatives according to the islamic custom and tradition?
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 11:35am On Sep 04, 2008
DeepZone:

Is islam against incest? If yes, why do they marry their relatives according to the islamic custom and tradition?

Relatives? Not all relatives. I believe the following excerpt will be helpful.

You cannot marry some relatives - this article presents a summary of such persons who cannot be married, as commanded by Allah in Quranic verses.

O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr (dower) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good. [Quran: Chapter-4 (An-Nisa), Verse-19]

1. Marriage with one's children, grand-children, great grand-children, etc. is not permissible. Nor is marriage with one's parents, grand-parents, maternal grand-parents, etc. permissible.

2. Marriage with one's brothers, uncles and nephews is not permissible. According to the Sharî‘ah, a brother is one whose mother and father is the same, or they have one father but two mothers, or one mother but two fathers. They are all brothers. But if the father is
different, and the mother is also different; that person will not be a brother. Nikâh with him will be valid.

3. Marriage with one's son-in-law is not permissible. This is irrespective of whether the daughter is already living with him or not. In all cases, nikâh with him is harâm.

4. A girl's father passed away. Her mother married another person. However, before the mother could even live with her new husband, she passed away or he divorced her. In such a case, the girl can marry this step-father of hers. However, if the mother lived with
him, it will not be permissible for this girl to marry him.

And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; indeed it was shameful and most hateful, and an evil way. [Quran: Chapter-4 (An-Nisa), Verse-22]

5. Nikâh with one's step-children is not valid. In other words, if a man has several wives, then one of
the wives cannot marry the children of the co-wives. This is irrespective of whether she had lived with her husband or not. Nikâh with these children is prohibited under all circumstances.

6. It is not permissible for a woman to marry her father-in-law or even the father or grand-father of her father-in-law.

7. As long as a sister is married to her husband, it is not permissible for another sister to marry this
brother-in-law of hers. However, if her sister passes away or he divorces her and she completes her iddah, it will be permissible for the other sister to marry her brother-in-law. In the case where the brother-in-law divorces the first sister, it is not permissible for the second sister to marry her brother-in-law until her sister completes her iddah.

8. If two sisters marry one person, the marriage of the sister whose nikâh was performed first will be valid while the marriage of the sister whose nikâh was performed later will not be valid.

9. A man married a woman. As long as he remains married to her, he cannot marry her maternal and paternal aunts and nieces.

10. If the relationship between two women is such that if we had to regard one of them as a man, their nikâh will not be valid, then such two women cannot marry a person at the same time. When one of them passes away or one of them is divorced and completes her iddah, only then will it be permissible for the person to marry the other woman.

11. If a woman and her step-daughter marry a person at the same time, the nikâh will be valid.

12. Adoption is not considered in the Sharî‘ah. By adopting a boy, he does not become one's son. It is
therefore permissible to marry one's adopted son.

13. If a man is not one's real uncle but he becomes an uncle through some other distant relationship,
marrying him is permissible. Similarly, if a man happens to be one's paternal uncle or nephew through
some distant relationship, nikâh with him is permissible. Nikâh with one's cousins is also valid
irrespective of whether they are paternal or maternal cousins.

14. Two women who are not blood sisters but are maternal or paternal cousins are permitted to marry
one man at the same time. In the presence of such a cousin, another cousin can also marry the same man.
The same rule applies to a very distant maternal or paternal aunt. That is, the niece and this distant
maternal or paternal aunt can marry the same man at one time.

15. All the relations which become harâm on account of lineage also become harâm on account of
breast-feeding. In other words, if a girl is breast-fed by a particular woman, then this girl
cannot marry the latter's husband because he will now be regarded as her father. A girl who has been
breast-fed by a particular woman cannot marry a boy who has been breast-fed by the same woman. Nor can this girl marry the children of this woman because she is also regarded as a child of this woman. All the maternal and paternal uncles and maternal and paternal nephews who become related due to this breast-feeding also become harâm on this girl.

16. If two girls have been breast-fed by one woman, they cannot marry the same man at one time. In other words, whatever has been explained previously, will also apply to relations based on breast-feeding.

17. A man committed adultery with a certain woman. Now it will not be permissible for her mother or her
children to marry this man.

18. Due to the passions of youth, a woman touched a man with evil intentions. It will now not be
permissible for her mother or her children to marry this man. Similarly, if a man touches a woman with
evil intentions, her mother and her children will be harâm on him.

19. In the middle of the night, a man decided to awaken his wife. However, he mistakenly touched his
daughter or his mother-in-law. Thinking them to be his wife, he touched them with the passions of youth. Now, this man will become harâm on his wife forever. There is no way in which she can become permissible for him. It will be necessary for him to divorce his wife.

20. If a boy touches his step-mother with an evil intention, she will become harâm on her husband. There
is no way in which she can be halâl for him. If the step-mother touches her step-son with an evil
intention, the same rule will apply.

21. A Muslim woman cannot marry a man who belongs to any other religion. She can only marry a Muslim man.

22. A woman's husband divorced her or he passed away. As long as she does not complete her iddah, she cannot marry anyone else.

23. Once a woman marries a man, she cannot marry another person unless and until she is divorced by
this person and also completes her iddah.

24. If a woman is not married and she falls pregnant due to adultery, it will be permissible to marry her.
However, it will not be permissible to have intercourse with her until she delivers the child. But if the woman marries the same person who had committed adultery with her, it will be permissible for the
person to have intercourse with her.

25. If a person has four wives, he cannot marry a fifth woman. If he happens to divorce one of his four wives, another woman cannot marry him until the one who is divorced completes her iddah.
Re: Incest And Islam by Frizy(m): 10:13pm On Sep 04, 2008
@Deepzone
I see you are deeply interested in Islam?Why? cheesy
Re: Incest And Islam by BOMANY: 11:30pm On Sep 04, 2008
DeepZone:

Is islam against incest? If yes, why do they marry their relatives according to the islamic custom and tradition?

Littelb gave you enough explanations. Perhaps you mean marriage between cousins  Excuse me  Do you know any religion against it. Let's be specific, we are talking about religions not cultures
Re: Incest And Islam by Queenisha: 4:10am On Sep 05, 2008
15. All the relations which become harâm on account of lineage also become harâm on account of
breast-feeding. In other words, if a girl is breast-fed by a particular woman, then this girl
cannot marry the latter's husband because he will now be regarded as her father. A girl who has been
breast-fed by a particular woman cannot marry a boy who has been breast-fed by the same woman. Nor can this girl marry the children of this woman because she is also regarded as a child of this woman. All the maternal and paternal uncles and maternal and paternal nephews who become related due to this breast-feeding also become harâm on this girl.

In Mohammeds time men used to make their wives breast feed their male slaves to deter them from marrying them or having an affair.
Some modern Islamic cultures still do that.
Re: Incest And Islam by Queenisha: 4:19am On Sep 05, 2008
Re: Incest And Islam by Queenisha: 4:22am On Sep 05, 2008
DeepZone:

Is islam against incest? If yes, why do they marry their relatives according to the islamic custom and tradition?

Incest (noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons), is permitted in Islam to a large extent.
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding.


A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.

Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.”

The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].”

Woolas emphasised the practice did not extend to all Muslim communities but was confined mainly to families originating from rural Pakistan. However, up to half of all marriages within these communities are estimated to involve first cousins.


Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

and we wonder why almajiris and Islamists are a menace to society?
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 8:34am On Sep 05, 2008
Littelb gave you enough explanations. Perhaps you mean marriage between cousins Huh Excuse me Huh Do you know any religion against it. Let's be specific, we are talking about religions not cultures

Do you know any other religion that permits cousins to marry except islam?
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 8:35am On Sep 05, 2008
Incest (noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons), is permitted in Islam to a large extent.
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding.


No wonder.
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 8:38am On Sep 05, 2008
25. If a person has four wives, he cannot marry a fifth woman. If he happens to divorce one of his four wives, another woman cannot marry him until the one who is divorced completes her iddah.

What is iddah? How long does it take to complete it? can a woman marry more than one husband at a time in Islam since they permit a man to do so?



[size=14pt]To what extent is Islam fostering the equality of sexes or are they still living in the 12th century?[/size]
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 9:19am On Sep 05, 2008
Queenisha:

Incest (noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons), is permitted in Islam to a large extent.
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

and we wonder why almajiris and Islamists are a menace to society?

Your contribution is quite unfairly weighted and highly spin in order to flaw Islamic practices. Marriage between relatives is nothing new in this generation. It has been practiced for long time throughout the world. Just view Olabowale's comments below:


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-48477.224.html#msg2753976

Just like it is permissable to marry more than 1 wife, not all muslim males do it. It is permissable but not compulsory. The same applies to marriages between cousins. However, there are conditions; if one is concern about all the genetic problems that may arise from it, then it should be avoided.

Whats important is to note that there are degrees introversion or extroversion in both males and females. Those men who are extremely shy may not be able to handle a strange woman, whom he is not accustomed to her manners of behavior if he were to marry her. These type of men have the window therefore to marry a woman from the neigborhood. Somebody they know from youth may be comfortable to them.

A cousin is therefore adequate, because of the support that they will have from the two close branches of the family. Thou they are related, but they are not a close blood relatives. Finally, the Jews used to marry their own neices! And the Christians used to count a relationship weaker than 7 generations they can marry each other. Islam is the medium between the two extremes.
I must also state to you that the European blue bloodline (the royalty of Europe), marry their cousins. They still do it, even as of recent, so that they can preserve the "purity" of their royal blood! Islam has none of those. For me, the more remote the better, and the possibility of marriage, as long as i am within islamic jurispudence.

And Adam married his exact carbon copy, a clone from him. And there children marry their own full siblings, except that they are not from the same birth. And their grandchildren married their full first cousins.

Moreso, here is my scholar's comments;

“Islam permits marriage between first cousins. If we read the Qur'anic verses which enumerate women to whom a Muslim cannot be married, you will find that this list does not include cousins.

The Islamic view is that while marriage between cousins is permissible, it is preferable to choose a marriage partner from outside one's family. We have to distinguish between what is permitted and what is advocated. Some clans restrict marriages to amongst their kin only – a practice far from what is advocated. It is worth stressing here that when marriage of cousins is repeated over several generations, they are bound to have more effects on children.

By permitting such marriages Islam does not encourage them. It advocates the cementing of social relations through marriages between totally unrelated families.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) once told one of his Companions to choose a wife from a tribe different to his, and then to choose for his son a wife from a third tribe, and to seek for his second son a girl from yet another tribe.

Preferring this course of action, Islam nevertheless permits marriage between cousins because it meets a social need.”

The matter of marriage between relatives is just an overblown by inclining it to Islamic practice. However not, Islam only moderate it.
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 9:26am On Sep 05, 2008
@DeepZone
DeepZone:



Do you know any other religion that permits cousins to marry except islam?

Incest (noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons), is permitted in Islam to a large extent.
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding.

No wonder.

Deepzone, you better stop this joke before I start dey bomb you with incest from the bible. Whichever, tell us which one is permitted in christianity.
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 10:18am On Sep 05, 2008
DeepZone:

What is iddah? How long does it take to complete it? can a woman marry more than one husband at a time in Islam since they permit a man to do so?



Iddah means the waiting period for divorced or widowed woman before she may remarry in order to verify she is not pregnant. According to sharia, it is four months and ten days for widowed woman and three consecutive menstrual period for divorced one. The two cases are supported with Quranic verses below:

"Such of you as die and leave behind them wives, they (the wives) shall wait, keeping themselves apart, four months and ten days…" (Qr2: 234)

"Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise." (Qr2: 228).

However, if a widowed woman is pregnant. He shall wait till she deliver her baby.

"And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden" Qr65:4




Woman cannot marry more than one husband at a time. It is forbidden!
Re: Incest And Islam by Nobody: 12:47pm On Sep 05, 2008
Deepzone, you are here again. How u dey? I know your efforts @ attacking Islam and Muslims(ur topic on Murtala still ongoing on Politics thread?) from all angles on Nairaland will one day yield positive result. Yes, positive result, the result that will make you eternally be grateful to God that you embarked on a mission to fight Islam and Muslims:

And this woman tells you how she got the ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT I'm talking about.

Enjoy: http://www.islamfortoday.com/aminahassilmi1.htm
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 6:57pm On Sep 05, 2008
Deepzone, you are here again. How u dey? I know your efforts @ attacking Islam and Muslims(your topic on Murtala still ongoing on Politics thread?) from all angles on Nairaland will one day yield positive result. Yes, positive result, the result that will make you eternally be grateful to God that you embarked on a mission to fight Islam and Muslims:

And this woman tells you how she got the ONLY POSSIBLE RESULT I'm talking about.

Enjoy: http://www.islamfortoday.com/aminahassilmi1.htm
My Question was: To what extent is Islam fostering the equality of sexes or are they still living in the 12th century and you are posting a story of a confused woman that embraced Islam out of myopia?
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 6:59pm On Sep 05, 2008
Deepzone, you better stop this joke before I start dey bomb you with incest from the bible. Whichever, tell us which one is permitted in christianity.

LittleEB, tell us where in the new testament that Christ permitted us to marry our cousins and nieces?
Re: Incest And Islam by AloyEmeka9: 9:58pm On Sep 05, 2008
Is it true that islam commands that women MUST stay indoors during their menstrual cycle? What if they are the bread winners in their home?
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 10:26pm On Sep 05, 2008
@Deepzone,

LittleEB, tell us where in the new testament that Christ permitted us to marry our cousins and nieces?

Haa! It seem that you want to dodge my bomb. Are you now saying that old testament is never part of what you believe. Belief me, there is no place for you to hide, unless you will write your own bible today. The incests among the holiest. Close it, dont disrupt the thread.

Answer my first question, tell us what is permitted according to christianity. My stand is marraige between relatives is never limited to Islamic tradition. Islam has come only to provide a limit on what is permited and encourage you to use wisdom in its application. This is a clear message which I cleverly enumerated in my first post.
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 10:29pm On Sep 05, 2008
@Aloy.Emeka,

Is it true that islam commands that women MUST stay indoors during their menstrual cycle? What if they are the bread winners in their home?

Islam never commands the women to stay indoors during their menstrual period.
Re: Incest And Islam by littleb(m): 10:35pm On Sep 05, 2008
@Aloy.Emeka,

Is it true that islam commands that women MUST  stay indoors during their menstrual cycle? What if they are the bread winners in their home?

Islam never commands the women to stay indoors during their menstrual period.
Re: Incest And Islam by JosBoy4Lif(m): 10:43pm On Sep 05, 2008
Here is a list of people in history who have done this, remarkably none of them were of the Muhammadan faith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins

Hey it was surprising to see that even the current Queen mother is related to King Phillip
Re: Incest And Islam by Queenisha: 12:00am On Sep 06, 2008
JosBoy4Lif:

Here is a list of people in history who have done this, remarkably none of them were of the Muhammadan faith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins

Hey it was surprising to see that even the current Queen mother is related to King Phillip

Wow!
This makes it very Okay
some countable non mohammedans are included
Let's toast to keeping it in the family
allahu akhbar!
!!!!!!! undecided
Re: Incest And Islam by JosBoy4Lif(m): 2:15am On Sep 06, 2008
Queenisha:

Wow!
This makes it very Okay
some countable non mohammedans are included
Let's toast to keeping it in the family
allahu akhbar!
!!!!!!! undecided

LOL no it doesn't but it sure hell debunks the "allahu akhbar!" hatred nonsense that you people spew.
I just hate it when people point fingers at a certain group, it pisses me off
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 10:33am On Sep 06, 2008
How do y'all raise money in Islam? Is it by alms, donations, oil money/federal allocation or thanksgiving? If it's by donation or thanksgving/tithe, do you accept money from the likes of IBB, Abdulsalaami, Adedibu, Arisekola Alao etc when it's obvious that they stole the money? Who is your treasurer and book keeper? Do you probe them sometimes?
Re: Incest And Islam by olabowale(m): 12:04pm On Sep 06, 2008
@Quenisha: « #4 on: Yesterday at 04:10:42 AM »  
[Quote]
In Mohammeds time men used to make their wives breast feed their male slaves to deter them from marrying them or having an affair.
Some modern Islamic cultures still do that.
[/quote]

You, a Doctor, will you breast feed a grown man, so that it becomes forbidden for him to marry you? Where would an arab wife breast feed that slave, a grown man; in the family court yard in from of all the people who are to serve as witness, or in a private room, without the prying eyes of anyone?

Queenisha, you will see that your argument is very weak. Considering that the muslims, men and women are supposed to lower their gazes, toward people of opposite sex. Muslims and especially women are commanded to cover up so that they do not show any nudity. And Islam frowns against illicit sex and you therefore think that a wife of a master will breast feed a strong and vibrant slave who is a grown man? Is the way to make this illicit sex impossible? Maybe, you mean that it does happen in Christianity. It aint happening like that in Islam!

Queenisha, what will the husband be doing when somebody else, a boiboi is feeding on his wife's breasts? How is the sensuality of the woman when she is feeding this strange and extremely desirable slave? What do you think the slave will be feeling? Think of what happened in America's slavery time, before you answer!

Finally, don't you think that breast feeding is a very good way to bring the two of them, the master's younger wife and the strong ane energetic slave, to unplanned sex, if not right there, but soon? What you can do, don't think others will do it, just because of your hatred of the. Or what you may do in evil, don't think others may do them, just because you do not see the goodness in the people because of your dislike for them. Stop going to horrible websites in order ther discuss islam. You have my email. If you want my phone number, I will readily give it.


 



[Queenisha]: « #5 on: Yesterday at 04:19:35 AM »  
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1309
[/quote]

Go figure! This is your cronic problem, girl. You are almost behaving like Sarah Palin! I could have said McCain, but am sure I will be insulting you. lol. Come to think of it, you are a GOP person. Maybe a delegate, too? It was a noisy atmosphere!


 



[Queenisha]: « #6 on: Yesterday at 04:22:49 AM »  
Incest (noun 1. sexual intercourse between closely related persons), is permitted in Islam to a large extent.
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding.

And the people of any ethnic group, for example, the yorubas consider themselves to be from the family of Oduduwa. And the marry each other, almost in a larger sense. Well we could say that they are inbreeding among themselves. You Queenisha, in your words and confession, you have a fling or two with yoruba me, yet you went back to an Aro or Imo chukwu man! The same group you are from. You could have married Yoruba man or even stretching it, a nonNigerian! Afterall, you arrived in Texas before you married, and you did not marry a yank!






[Quote]
A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.

Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.”
The minister, whose views were supported by medical experts this weekend, said: “The issue we need to debate is first cousin marriages, whereby a lot of arranged marriages are with first cousins, and that produces lots of genetic problems in terms of disability [in children].”

Woolas emphasised the practice did not extend to all Muslim communities but was confined mainly to families originating from rural Pakistan. However, up to half of all marriages within these communities are estimated to involve first cousins.


Medical research suggests that while British Pakistanis are responsible for 3% of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3342040.ece

and we wonder why almajiris and Islamists are a menace to society?

It is not compulsory, in Islam that first cousins should marry. Neither is it commanded that a potential spouse should accept what is presented to him/her for a partnership in an arranged marriage! I do not practice neither of the two. I love strange women, without a possibility of me ever being a near relation. Unless am related to Iboland, am safe! lol. Ewoo, Queenisha!

By the way, am an Islamist. And i am not a menace to anyone and not to any society. To be an Islamist is not a bad word, just like Christian right or evangelitical Christians, is not a bad term in america. Although, its surprising that a 17 year old girl, not married can be pregnant under the motherhood of their poster mother! A true islamist or a true Christian conservative is a good person to be your neighbor! They will not just talk the talk, without walking the walk.

 



@DeepZone: « #7 on: Yesterday at 08:34:34 AM »  
[Quote]
Do you know any other religion that permits cousins to marry except islam?
[/quote]

Is there any other true religion, a way to connect with God, directly?! My dear, there is none. BUt wait, Jews used to marry there own neices! Now thats wild and far out.

 




« #8 on: Yesterday at 08:35:20 AM »  
No wonder.

You will realise that it not islam that has boxed them into only cousin marriages, but there own preIslamic culture of Hinduism, which they continue to drag along. Aburo, when are you going to take me to Orolu Kingdom? I can do any thing until after this month, though. I am sure it will fun over there.

 



: « #9 on: Yesterday at 08:38:48 AM »  
To what extent is Islam fostering the equality of sexes or are they still living in the 12th century?

How far back do I have to go, when I am in Orolu Kingdom, further back than 21century? By the way, the first advocate of gender equality is Islam! And if you argue this point with me, I will have to ask you to wage with me. And the wager is that if I can present compelling argument in favor of Islam, you will become a muslim right away. I want to go that far. Maryland has a lot of Mosque and muslims anyway. You will fit right in. Am sure in Orolu Kingdom, there are many muslims, right?

   



« #15 on: Yesterday at 06:59:18 PM »  
LittleEB, tell us where in the new testament that Christ permitted us to marry our cousins and nieces?

Are you saying, here and now that you only accept the words of Jesus, and no other, from the New Testament? What about the issues that Jesus was silent on? Shall one not therefore refer to the old testament for the answer? Was Jesus not the one that he came not to abolish the laws and prophets of the Old testament? Will it not be relevant for the views in the old testament to be the views of the New testament when it comes to relationships between a man and a woman? Now you got yourself in a strayjacket, you will need Queenisha to get you out of it. But I have the keys. She will have to travel to New York City, along with you, in a medvac transportation for them.

 






@Aloy.Emeka: « #16 on: Yesterday at 09:58:56 PM »  

Is it true that islam commands that women MUST  stay indoors during their menstrual cycle? What if they are the bread winners in their home?

Islam gives allowance for everyone to reach his/her own potential. The wife of the Prophet (AS), Khadijatul Qubra, (RA), was a businessperson before and when she married the prophet, (AS), she did not abandone her enterpreneural spirit! Islam does not condemn anyone into indoors. Women were told to cover when they go out! This alone will show that no restriction into the house is put upon the freedom of women. Emeka, marry a good Igbo muslim man. I know some. Let me know. You will be able to go out, in and out of your menstrual period!


 



@Queenisha: « #21 on: Today at 12:00:26 AM »  
[Quote]
Wow!
This makes it very Okay
some countable non mohammedans are included
Let's toast  to keeping it in the family
allahu akhbar!
!!!!!!!
[/quote]

Even though there is nothing called Mohammedans, the same white royalties of Europe are the fathers and mothers of the new worlds, america, canada, australia, among them. This same blue bloods are the ones who send their errant persons to colonnise you and impose the romantic religion known as Christianity on you. It is them, Queenisha you copy. If you have followed me, you will at least not have to marry in church or have your white wedding ceremony! lol.
Re: Incest And Islam by zayhal(f): 5:46pm On Sep 06, 2008
@olabowale
Jazakallah khayran
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 6:05pm On Sep 06, 2008
How far back do I have to go, when I am in Orolu Kingdom, further back than 21century? [b]By the way, the first advocate of gender equality is Islam! [/b]And if you argue this point with me, I will have to ask you to wage with me. And the wager is that if I can present compelling argument in favor of Islam, you will become a muslim right away. I want to go that far. Maryland has a lot of Mosque and muslims anyway. You will fit right in. Am sure in Orolu Kingdom, there are many muslims, right?

@Bold, are you sure about this?
Re: Incest And Islam by olabowale(m): 7:17pm On Sep 06, 2008
@Deepzone: Yes, am sure. And if you find any group before islam, that surpassed what islam did, before Islam did for women, then tell us. Lets wager before you begin your search! I give you three months to search; your search should include Judaism and Christianity before Islam. When you fail, then I want to see you enter islam! Deal?
Re: Incest And Islam by DeepZone: 8:49pm On Sep 06, 2008
@Deepzone: Yes, am sure. And if you find any group before islam, that surpassed what islam did, before Islam did for women, then tell us. Lets wager before you begin your search! I give you three months to search; your search should include Judaism and Christianity before Islam. When you fail, then I want to see you enter islam! Deal?

Why not give us an insight on when islam started and what they actually did because i'll love to learn?
Re: Incest And Islam by BOMANY: 12:24am On Sep 07, 2008
@ QueenGeisha
In Mohammeds time men used to make their wives breast feed their male slaves to deter them from marrying them or having an affair.

I pity you undecided undecided
When you want to quote FATWA or Islamic explanations, get it from a real Islamic source so we can look into and discuss

Just for clarification, the website that you are indicating in your comment says the following phrase
"[b]If you are a good human being, you are not a Muslim"
Re: Incest And Islam by BOMANY: 1:00am On Sep 07, 2008
@ Queengeisha
That's why Muslim countries have some of the highest levels of congenital birth defects.
Result of inbreeding

Enough rambling talk, Show us solid facts, figures, numbers, percentages on what you are allege.
Let's give you numbers in a real case, AIDS, that unbeatable monster. The Aids carriers in Arab countries till 2003 are 37614 while the total number in the world is about 37 million. 30% of the Arab carriers are women, most of them got it from their husbands, while in Iran 90% of them are men, most of them on drug injection, and only 4% of Iranian Aids carriers are women. 51% of the Arab Aids carrier were infected sexually and most of them got it in other countries that legalize prostitution, while 97% of the Aids carriers in the African Horn region are infected sexually.

Doesn’t this tell you part of the real role of Islam in life
Re: Incest And Islam by BOMANY: 1:12am On Sep 07, 2008
@ Deepzin
[quote
Do you know any other religion that permits cousins to marry except islam?
[quote][/quote]

I will not argue you in your religion nor quote from my side websites as you people do. I will just quote from two Christian websites. Let them tell you the truth. If they are not enough tell me to give you endless list


The First

Theology Questions: Cousin Marriage

The Bible does not forbid marrying your cousin so let's make sure in our zeal to help others that we don't confuse what our culture teaches with what the Bible teaches.
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Leviticus 18 lists the forbidden relationships and cousins are not forbidden nor is cousin marriage forbidden anywhere else in the Bible.
God may have chosen your cousin for you and if He chose him it would be a sin to walk away from this. There is no evidence that there is a significant increase in birth defects when cousins marry. The preferred marriage among the Israelites was cousin to cousin marriage and Jews to this day have an average I.Q. of over 120 with the highest population of Geniuses in the world. Ever hear of Einstein?
Both Albert Einstein and Charles Darwin married their first cousins. If such scientists as these had no fear of "defects" in their children then you should not. Their children were all healthy and bright. However, if you're really stupid and your cousin is really stupid then there is a much higher chance that your children will be really stupid. Is there room for a little humor here?
The fact is that cousin marriage was banned by the Roman Catholic church under 'Pope Gregory I' in an attempt to prevent the accumulation of wealth and power within families. The popes saw wealth among the common man as competition for their own power. This power structure exists in the Philippines to this day and is hampering economic development. The ban had nothing to do with our Bibles which we read regularly, don't we?
Civil disobedience has a long history within the Christian community. You've all heard of people power. When the people gathered by the thousands outside of Malacanang to oust Marcos that was against the law. Was it a sin? No. If you must go to another province or state to marry your cousin so that nobody will report you then that is what you must do. Will that be against the law? Maybe. Is it a sin? No. This is not unheard of in the Philippines, The United States, and many other countries where Born Again Christians live in sufficient numbers to make such laws of no effect. I know of such a couple in the Philippines and they live happily to this day. They're now in their 60s with 5 children and many grandchildren. They're born again of course because it is the pope who forbids cousin marriage, not the Bible.

http://www.christianmarriage.com/home/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=59

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