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November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by NegroNtns(m): 12:12am On Sep 06, 2008
The typical household in America, whether it’s urban or rural is suffering from economic pains caused by irresponsible economic policies of the Bush administration. The economy itself is in recession and situation could become worse. If it does we risk going into depression. How do you begin to reverse the situation so that we can come out of recession? Do you adopt liberal values or conservative values?

I am not a card carrying Republican or a Democrat but I ask questions and I vote on issues. Whatever platform I determine to have the best solution for me that’s who I defend and I vote for. This year the Republicans will get my vote. Instead of fighting on what Palin say or didn’t say, you need to be looking at the underlying messages and decoding the messages that these people are sending out, Republican or Democrat. You need to start asking questions on which values are best applicable to resolve the economic problems.

Blacks en masse are lined up behind Obama and are prepared to vote him in, no questions asked. The defining line in this election is a cultural one. It’s the urban culture versus rural culture. The index of prosperity is best measured at the household level. How many families out there today can say that they are living in prosperity? By American standard, very few people can raise their hands to that. We all are impacted and suffering from the economic downturn. In order to bring us out of the current situation policies are required at the governmental level. How about the individual household, what do we need to do in our various homes and communities to bounce out of the recession?

We need to develop new attitude and outlook on spending. The less we spend, the more we keep in our pocket; the more aware we are of government proposals that have impact on our living the faster we can act proactively to seek accountability. This calls for discipline. The culture of instant gratification and celebrity worship are not adequate to meet our ends, we must learn to sacrifice some comforts in order that we can usher in new brighter opportunities. We can do it, we can make it happen. However our current mindset about economy is pathetic whether we live in rural or urban town. The rural dwellers are by far better off and unless the urban dwellers catch up fast in their outlook on the economy, they may be left behind when the train of prosperity come whizzing through and it will matter greatly which value is prevailing when that time comes.

Conservative values teach dignity, honor, integrity, sacrifice and authority. Liberal values teach independence, self-determination, change, progress and freedom.

Aren’t these values the idealism of mankind? Well, look in your local news, look around your neighborhood and tell me that you are happy with what you see. It won’t be The Best, but with this election we can make it Better by voting into office the person that you believe has the solution!

There are radio stations broadcasting music and entertainment all day long and asking you to call in and name songs to win cash money or gifts if you successfully identify the artist to a track. There are also radio stations broadcasting information on the tax codes, what they mean and how to be a smart consumer and keep money in your pocket and your household. The value you vote for is your choice. I have choosen mine and it won't be Obama, unless he can convince me between now and November 4th that his platform has solutions for my problems.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Queenisha: 12:33am On Sep 06, 2008
I can teach my children dignity,Christian values and whatever republicans say they're fighting for.
I have always been Republican but this time Obama has my vote.
I happen to be part of that much talked about middle class in America.
I will not vote for a group that intends of spending billions of my tax money on a war that we should not have been in right from the beginning.
What are the consequences of the war ?
The economy has taken a nosedive
Do you know how much I've lost in my 401k and investments?
Do you know how much I pay in food and gas?
Everything has increased but my salary.
Do you know how many Americans are out of work and suffering because of George Bush and  John McBush ?
Anyone who has watched a booming economy go downhill will have to be nuts to vote for 4 years of a man who has been on the same side with George W 90% of the time.


I've confirmed the fact that I'm registered to vote and come rain, snow or shine, I will be there on November 4th casting my vote even if I have to call off work to be there.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by doyin13(m): 12:36am On Sep 06, 2008
Queenisha

This one wey ur feelings dey intense so, abeg make u no go do naija style
register Tanikwa and Shanikwa ooo.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Queenisha: 12:47am On Sep 06, 2008
doyin13:

Queenisha

This one wey your feelings dey intense so, abeg make u no go do naija style
register Tanikwa and Shanikwa ooo.

My brother the thing is paining me too much.
I no go lie
A few months ago they gave me a raise at work.
They said there was a freeze on spending so those who did get raises got between 1- 2% raise.
Yours truly got a 1.5% raise
What is 1.5% when my daycare bill went up by 20%, gas bill over 100% not to talk of food and everything else.
I am mad .
Nobody should vote for that McBush.
I am going to register at the democratic party and volunteer my time
If I have to carry placards and stand on street corners on Nov 4th, it's the least I could do to help stop these people.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Ibime(m): 12:48am On Sep 06, 2008
Queenisha:

I can teach my children dignity,Christian values and whatever republicans say they're fighting for.

grin grin grin . . . I like that . . . grin grin grin

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Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Queenisha: 12:51am On Sep 06, 2008
make I go watch my okro soup before the thing burns.
Since I'm now on a tight budget.
That doesn't mean I should serve my man a burnt offering for dinner grin
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by TayoD1(m): 1:15am On Sep 06, 2008
@Queenisha,

I can teach my children dignity,Christian values and whatever republicans say they're fighting for.
This is not all the Republicans are fighting for. Infact, the Republican party of today has become the Democratic party of yesterday, while the Democratic party of yesterday is gradually turning itself into a Socialist Party.

I do not vote along party lines but on people who are most aligned with my philosphy. I believe in freedom, and as someone said, I'm not sure if it is Reagan or Lincoln, "The Government that can give you everything is the same Govt taht can take everything away from you." I therefore want a smaller govt and free trade.

Who represents this more between the two evils called DNC and RNC? It is obviously the RNC. The DNC preach freedom but thrives on control. They want to control everything from what we eat to how we live. Can you imagine them banning deep fried foods at their convention? And to think one of their Senators that came to the RNC Convention was seen eating deep fried food! That is how much control they want to exact. They deprive us of choices with the mantra that the Govt knows best what is good for me. Theirs is a Nanny State and I totally don't need a baby sitter.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by bawomolo(m): 1:25am On Sep 06, 2008
Who represents this more between the two evils called DNC and RNC? It is obviously the RNC. The DNC preach freedom but thrives on control. They want to control everything from what we eat to how we live. Can you imagine them banning deep fried foods at their convention? And to think one of their Senators that came to the RNC Convention was seen eating deep fried food! That is how much control they want to exact. They deprive us of choices with the mantra that the Govt knows best what is good for me.

i'm confused here, have democratics proposed a bill banning americans from eating deep fried food? the DNC as a private establishment has the right to decide what is acceptable during their meetings. u might want to read up on the tenets of socialism. don't confuse greens with democrats
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Queenisha: 1:37am On Sep 06, 2008
Tayo-D:

@Queenisha,
This is not all the Republicans are fighting for. Infact, the Republican party of today has become the Democratic party of yesterday, while the Democratic party of yesterday is gradually turning itself into a Socialist Party.

I do not vote along party lines but on people who are most aligned with my philosphy. I believe in freedom, and as someone said, I'm not sure if it is Reagan or Lincoln, "The Government that can give you everything is the same Govt taht can take everything away from you." I therefore want a smaller govt and free trade.

Who represents this more between the two evils called DNC and RNC? It is obviously the RNC. The DNC preach freedom but thrives on control. They want to control everything from what we eat to how we live. Can you imagine them banning deep fried foods at their convention? And to think one of their Senators that came to the RNC Convention was seen eating deep fried food! That is how much control they want to exact. They deprive us of choices with the mantra that the Govt knows best what is good for me. Theirs is a Nanny State and I totally don't need a baby sitter.

Oh, banning deep fried food is the beef?
I mean an example of what's wrong with the party?
God have mercy.
They took out the soda machine and deep fried food at my children's school and we all love it.
Is it wrong for a private party to choose it's menu at a convention ?
You call that control ?
This is ridiculous
I'm speechless
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Ibime(m): 1:41am On Sep 06, 2008
Don't bother yourself. Tayo is a ridiculous guy. Socialism my ass. Republicans will forever accuse Democrats of Socialism. If you want to see Socialism, go to Venezuela. . . . you will see that khaki no be leather.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by TayoD1(m): 1:49am On Sep 06, 2008
@Bamolowo & Queenisha,

So you don't get it ehn. Let me give you more. The same Party has promised a redistribution of wealth by taking away a company's profit and giving it to others. This is the same Party that limits American's access to their natural resources. They are behind the senseless mandates of biofuels that has caused a sky-rocketing of food prices. This is the Party that is against free speech by proposing that privately owned radios should give equal time to opposing view-points. This is the Party that has forced down our throats, the use of mercury filled incandescent light-bulbs in the name of global warming. This is the Party that just forced down on enterpreneurs a minimum wage thereby making it more expensive to do business. Should I continue with the list?
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by TayoD1(m): 1:54am On Sep 06, 2008
@Ibime,

Don't bother yourself. Tayo is a ridiculous guy. Socialism my ass. Republicans will forever accuse Democrats of Socialism. If you want to see Socialism, go to Venezuela. . . . you will see that khaki no be leather.
Thanks for the compliments. In cany case, do you think they will just become a Socialist party overnight? They are gradually moving us there.

Was it not Obama who said the Govt should care for the least of these, yet cannot help his half-brother who lives on a $1 a day? They know to spend govt money but can't spend theirs on others. To them, the govt is the solution to everything, and they will continue to grow the govt. The same govt that rendered social security bankrupt is the same one that now wants to take over our health care.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by NegroNtns(m): 2:25am On Sep 06, 2008
This is not the primary. This is the general election campaign and it ends on Tuesday, November 4th. You make claims that Bush and RNC has ruined the economy and has damaged the country's image abroad and has turned the country upside down. Yet, DNC has failed to distance itself ahead of RNC in the polls and inspite of being the the President with the lowest popularity poll, Bush has been very effective in managing DNC control in congress. Eight years of the worst Presidency and DNC
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by NegroNtns(m): 2:29am On Sep 06, 2008
has failed to be effective in meeting all the promises of their campaign. They have a 1 lead majority in senate, inspite of charges of corruption and unaccountability against Republican controlled congress.

This is the general elections and if DNC continues to run neck and neck with RNC, trust me they are dead on 11/4. Mark it down! RNC are best at the game when it come to general elections. You shall see!
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by 4Play(m): 2:31am On Sep 06, 2008
What the US needs is a "divided Government". One where one party controls the White House while the other controls Congress.

Nothing erodes the necessary checks and balances required as having "one-party" rule.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Kobojunkie: 4:15am On Sep 06, 2008
@Poster, What the US needs is Bob Barr ! grin He will be the candidate to determine what side wins. Vote Bob Barr!!!
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by TPS360: 6:25am On Sep 06, 2008
Mccain picked a woman that has publicly stated that she doesnt know what the Vp does. Little political experience (20 months in local government?! WTF). Zero experience in foreign policy (unlike Zionist Joseph Biden, who has chaired Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for some years). A former beauty queen who proudly calls herself a "hockey mom" as though that's a big accomplishment.


I honestly expected Romney to be picked as a veep because of his accomplishments and experience in economic-financial knowledge and management. When it was announced that Mrs. Palin is selected as a running mate, I knew it's a ploy to attract the female population comprised of moderate, on-the-fence and disgruntled Hillary supporters. This is cusp of desperation proving McCain's judgment is questionable

It is believed in many circles that it was the success of Obama’s convention that was a factor that forced McCain’s hand in selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate; a decision that may prove disastrous.
Initially it was believed that Palin was an obvious ploy for Clinton supporters, but if that was ever the case (and I do believe that it partly was), it turned out to be a major failure– the Obamas and the Clintons having made major moves to bring Clinton supporters back into the fold during the convention. On top of that, based on anecdotal evidence mostly but a whole lot of it, if anything Palin’s selection only seemed to energize former Clinton supporters and feminists for Obama; Palin’s selection being a cynical and sexist move that insults women to think they will vote for any woman without first examining her qualification
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by NegroNtns(m): 7:15am On Sep 06, 2008
Mccain picked a woman that has publicly stated that she doesnt know what the Vp does. Little political experience (20 months in local government?! WTF). Zero experience in foreign policy (unlike Zionist Joseph Biden, who has chaired Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for some years). A former beauty queen who proudly calls herself a "hockey mom" as though that's a big accomplishment.


I honestly expected Romney to be picked as a veep because of his accomplishments and experience in economic-financial knowledge and management. When it was announced that Mrs. Palin is selected as a running mate, I knew it's a ploy to attract the female population comprised of moderate, on-the-fence and disgruntled Hillary supporters. This is cusp of desperation proving McCain's judgment is questionable

It is believed in many circles that it was the success of Obama’s convention that was a factor that forced McCain’s hand in selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate; a decision that may prove disastrous.
Initially it was believed that Palin was an obvious ploy for Clinton supporters, but if that was ever the case (and I do believe that it partly was), it turned out to be a major failure– the Obamas and the Clintons having made major moves to bring Clinton supporters back into the fold during the convention. On top of that, based on anecdotal evidence mostly but a whole lot of it, if anything Palin’s selection only seemed to energize former Clinton supporters and feminists for Obama; Palin’s selection being a cynical and sexist move that insults women to think they will vote for any woman without first examining her qualification

, how do you analyze the context of your post in terms of what difference a Hillary VP choice would have made as a factor into the other's side VP pick and whether or not your expectation would then have been realized? Awaiting your response.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by HIROSHI: 7:54am On Sep 06, 2008
Thank God for America, that has given us choice to vote liberally, otherwise how can a sane adult in 2008 think of voting John McBushPalin? I bow my head in unbelief and shame.

If we were talking about Mike Hukabee here it could be understandable but McCain over Obama, it is like comparing a giant, old and tired pussycat(McCain) to a young but strong and agile lion cub(Obama). Which has the better promise for bringing home more meat? The latter anyday!

Barrack Obama has my vote.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by Kobojunkie: 7:57am On Sep 06, 2008
different strokes, for different folks dude, It is not like he is a criminal or something .They are both running and voting anyside is fair game.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by SeanT21(f): 12:59pm On Sep 06, 2008
HIROSHI:

Thank God for America, that has given us choice to vote liberally, otherwise how can a sane adult in 2008 think of voting John McBushPalin? I bow my head in unbelief and shame.

If we were talking about Mike Hukabee here it could be understandable but McCain over Obama, it is like comparing a giant, old and tired pussycat(McCain) to a young but strong and agile lion cub(Obama). Which has the better promise for bringing home more meat? The latter anyday!

Barrack Obama has my vote.

LMAO!!!
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by TayoD1(m): 2:09pm On Sep 06, 2008
@TPS360,

I knew it's a ploy to attract the female population comprised of moderate, on-the-fence and disgruntled Hillary supporters.
You may chose to delude yourself if it rocks your boat. Since her selection, Palin has only made one reference to Hillary and you think she is obsessed by her?

Palin's choice was for one major reason - to energize the social conservative base and to unite the Party. This she has done with flying colours with an icing on the cake - she's put the DNC in dissarray while revealing the hypocrisy of the feminist movement.

Let's assume for a moment that she was chosen primarily to get Hillary's supporters, don't you think it reveals an error in judgement by Obama? Obama had about the same number of votes as Hillary to win the nomination, and yet he did not even vet that woman for the VP. And yet he is seeking her help now that his choice has backfired. McCain has shown himself to be a master strategist, and I'll rather have him than Obama deal with Putin.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by 4Play(m): 2:27pm On Sep 06, 2008
What are the consequences of the war ?
The economy has taken a nosedive
Do you know how much I've lost in my 401k and investments?
Do you know how much I pay in food and gas?
Everything has increased but my salary.
Do you know how many Americans are out of work and suffering because of George Bush and John McBush ?
Anyone who has watched a booming economy go downhill will have to be nuts to vote for 4 years of a man who has been on the same side with George W 90% of the time.

The downturn in the US economy is not because of the war in Iraq. Compare the US to any Western nation,including those who were not part of the Iraq campaign,the US has outperformed the OECD average since 2003.

As for inflation,I would like to have what ever it is you are smoking. If you think Obama will stop inflation,especially food and energy prices inflation,you must be kidding. How would he stop the burgeoning demand by new economic powerhouses like India and China which drives such inflation?

Strangely enough,Obama wants to continue the destructive ethanol mandate program which has helped causes crisis in many parts of the world,especially Africa. Ask people back home how much the cost of a bag of rice has changed.

Is it by increasing taxes on the entrepreneurial class,small business owners,increasing capital gains tax,e.t.c that the economy will blossom?

As for watching a booming economy go down,the US was in a major economic downturn when Bush took office. The anomalous halcyon post-Cold war 90s economy is long gone. It started imploding months before Bush was inaugurated.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by doyin13(m): 3:15pm On Sep 06, 2008
@4play

The booming oil price story is not due to the demand from China and India alone.

I have been very impressed with Bernanke's activeness in tackling the credit crisis,
although some of his methods leave a lot to be desired.

The provision of credit lines for banks with Federal Funds was innovative and was roundly applauded

But the alarming rate at which those interest rates came down weakened the dollar leading
to speculators invading the oil markets. Couple that with Trichet's obstinate hawkishness and
you have one hundred and forty eight dollar oil.

And the dollar has been firming in the past two months. . . . . .Oil has followed suit
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by sartorius(m): 6:50pm On Sep 06, 2008
Mcain will win,its obvious he would make a better president
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by TPS360: 8:11am On Sep 07, 2008
Negro_Ntns:

, how do you analyze the context of your post in terms of what difference a Hillary VP choice would have made as a factor into the other's side VP pick and whether or not your expectation would then have been realized? Awaiting your response.

Mccain would not have chosen Pallin if obama had selected Clinton instead of Joe,
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by 4Play(m): 1:03pm On Sep 07, 2008
doyin13:

@4play
The booming oil price story is not due to the demand from China and India alone.
I have been very impressed with Bernanke's activeness in tackling the credit crisis,
although some of his methods leave a lot to be desired.

The provision of credit lines for banks with Federal Funds was innovative and was roundly applauded
But the alarming rate at which those interest rates came down weakened the dollar leading
to speculators invading the oil markets. Couple that with Trichet's obstinate hawkishness and
you have one hundred and forty eight dollar oil.

And the dollar has been firming in the past two months. . . . . .Oil has followed suit

The bottom line is that the factors driving up commodity prices over the past decade are complex and can't be glibly explained by referring to the Iraq war.

I do think that China/India's rise is the single most crucial factor. Remember,this oil boom started,not in '03 but in 1999 after prices reached its nadir-$9 p/b. At the time the dollar was still surging and Greenspan was raving up interest rates to stop the economy from overheating. Oil prices quadrupled within months after OPEC cut supply.

The single most crucial factor is the interplay between demand and supply and glib talk of "standing up to Big Oil" ignores the shift in the balance of economic power.
Re: November 4th - Obama Or Mccain? by 4Play(m): 1:22pm On Sep 07, 2008
Neither candidate seems to have a compelling and comprehensive economic programme.

The key issues for me are keeping taxes low,reforming healthcare and pensions,lowering trade barriers and reining in Govt spending and McCain comes closest to those ideals. Put in another way,the GOP have always been the least objectionable of the 2 choices. Some blogger once said that while the Democrats are hurtling down the highway of greater Govt spending at 100mph,the GOP are doing so at 65mph.

The US is having to bail out FanniMae and Freddie Mac,what is the Govt doing in the mortgage business in the first place?

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