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Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 2:34pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
I think it would be nice if I could believe in God but the following things make it really hard. For the purposes of this threda 'God' is typically christian. that means he's omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent, and that heaven and hell are real places and you need faith AND good works to get into heaven. I know a lot ofg Christians don't belive in this God but a lot MORE Christians do, so that's why we're going to go with this definition. Also, we're going to discuss the basics of the Christian story. That is, the idea that God sent Jesus to redeem our sins and that Jesu was cricified, rose after 3 days and all of that. Here's 25 things that make it hard for me to belkieve in this: Why did God sacrifice Himself to Himself to change a rule He made Himself? Why, if we are the warm, fuzzy centre of all creation, is the universe so incredibly massive? I mean, have you ever seen a pictrre of the known universe? I saw one on astronomy picture of the day. Its unbelievable! There's something like 40 billion galaxies, each with about 100 billion stars. And that's only the stuff we know about! It seems so arrogant to bvelieve that of all that, there's oinly one species on one planet in one solar system in one galaxy that actually matters. Why did God take so long to tell us about himself? Richard Dawkins thinks our species is 250,000 years old. God only came along 3000 years ago(ish). What was he doing the other 247,000 years why we were killing eachother over caves and stuff? And why, if the message of God was so important, did it take about 1500 years for the Chinese to hear about it? Doesnt it make more sense that the Christian God was the product of a messianic middle east cult and there was nothing "divine" about it? The trinity doesnt make any sense., I mean none AT ALL. Words mean things and this whole "God exists in three Persons and one substance" thing just makes no sense. There is literally no logic to that senence. Terminally ill kids. No miracles nowadays. God never had a problem meddling in peoples lives before. Why has he suddenly got quiet at just the same time our species has figured out hoiw to record and analyse things? If Heaven is perfect happiness, and Hell is the opposite, how can a mother be happy in heaven if her son is sent to hell? If we're changed THAT MUCH bny going into heaven mightn't we as well be dead? The concept of eternal punishmnt is unjust. Even Hitler doesn't deserve eternal punishment. The 'one size fits all' concept of hell as a punishment is very unjust. Why should a law abiding atheist and Hitler get the same punishment? Remember, the majority of Christians should (if they follow their doctrine properly) believe that faith is essentia;l to be saved. Why does god require we worship him? He's supposed to love us, right? Well, I love my cat but I don't demand he worships me even though I am (I like to think) a superior being. The concept of heaven is one of eternal worship of GOd. Wouldn't that get boring after the first hundred billion trillion years? Its all very well saying that heaven by definition ius always blissful but you have no way of saying why that may be , given wha the Bible actually says about it. Your just saying "God will fix it when you get there". The Bible contradicts itself all over the place. I trust i don't need to cite this. The Bible contains nothing that couldnt have been written by a man or woman living in 1st century palestine. God doesn't answer prayers. No matter what subjective experiences you may have had, studies have been done which prove this. The gospels were written 70-100 years after Jesus died. Thats plenty of time for hearsay and conjecture to creep into the story even if the basics were true. The creation myth has been debunked. If genesis is untrue, God had much less reason to send down Jesus because there was no such thing as original sin. There are LOADS of logical problems with the Christian idea that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent. If God is omniscient that means he must know everythng, including everything man knows. That means he must know lust and envy. If God knows lust and envy, He must have feelings of lust and envy. THat means he's not perfect. The idea of a perfect God is self defeating. Another logical problem with the idea of a perfect God is that, because a perfect being knows absolutely everything, God can't have free will. God knows his choices in advance. There is as much hard empirical evidence for the existence of God as there is for the ecistence of the flying spagetti monster. Seriously. If God does exist then there is absolutely no difference between our universe and a universe where he doesn't exist. There are still people in the world who haven't heard of Jesus. If Jesus's message is so important, why has God let this happen? Christians say the universe is finely tuned to support life and that is evidence that God exists and created the universe for us. But our planet is the only one we know that supports life and even earth is a very dangerous place with its earthquakes and volcanos and tsunamis and hurricanes and tornadoes and ice ages dangerous diseases. Why would God create such an inhospitable planet for us? If God created everything, that means he also created smallpox, which has killed more people in the 20th century than all the 20th century dicatorships combined and multiplied by a hundred. If God gives us free will to suffer that means that God must want us to suffer. THat means God approves of suffering generally. Why won't God heal amputees? I mean, when Christians talk about God saving or curing someone, there's always a natural explanation. Why doesn't God ever do anything which cant be easily explained in natural ways? Terminally ill kids. That one bears repeating. That's about all I can come up with. I'm sure smart people who've studied this could come up with loads more. I dont want to offend anyone. This post is the product of an existential crisis. I really do want these questions answered so I can have a chance to believe. copied 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 3:10pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
damn it too long!!!! |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by qstar(m): 3:22pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
^^^ nawa for the OP o! im just copy/paste verbatim. Op, we need only the summary pls. |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Busybody2(f): 3:56pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: I think it would be nice if I could believe A bit busy so to answer this briefly, there is a current high outpouring of the Spirit of God currently on the rise... hence reason people like me from a traditional non-Christian background are having our eyes opened and being made aware and brought into the Christian fold... I have enough experience of God's intervention in my life to write volumes and testify of God's goodness in my life... Pressed for time, so what i am saying is that God is real and He still answers prayers and is still a miracle working God. Besides GAGUT theorem Gijij=0 which proves the existence of God and one religion has been experimentally and extensively verified by E=MC2, rubberstamped by Prof Steve Hawking, reviewed by many, solved many hypothesis, etc brb |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 3:58pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
andyallor: damn it too long!!!!reading won't kill you darling,don't be too lazy to read cause its good for your health |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 4:00pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Busybody2:that would be nice of you to counter all my claims with tangible facts.Am waiting |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 4:01pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
qstar: ^^^don't be lazy reader |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 5:04pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Busybody2: GAGUT theorem? So you need science to prove the existence of God. Interesting |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by mmsen: 5:30pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
'Believe' in atheism? It isn't a belief. |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 5:38pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
mmsen: 'Believe' in atheism?Atheism is the belief that there is no God, get it now |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 6:15pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: Atheism is the belief that there is no God, get it nowIf then u don't believe in the existence of a Supernatural Being as the origin of life, what then do u believe in? Mind you, the absence of belief is not belief. How do you think life began? Are you a fan of Darwin's (theory of evolution)? or the Big Bang Theory? How do you explain the miracle of Healing? People standing up from wheel chairs? Rising up from the dead? If there's no Heaven or Hell, where does the spirit/soul of man go after death? |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 6:56pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Justosaus:OK ist all we all know who atheists are,that is people who do not believe in the existence of any deity. Now to your question of what I believe in, Nobody knows exactly how life first developed or what the first evolutionary steps are – atheists don’t know, scientists don’t know,and theists (wether scientists or not) don’t know. This is not some sort of ‘weakness’ for anyone, it’s simple honesty.when it comes to biblical view of how life started,The bible is certainly non-scientific, and if taken literally,isn’t even good fiction. Basically, I see religion as having come from the fear of the unknown.Now, we are smarter.meanwhile am no fan of science when it comes to the evolution and existence of human being.thanks Now to second question on miracle,I have never witnessed or seen miracle in my entire life except on tv.meanwhile At any given moment on the planet when miracles are alleged to have occurred, there are billions of other people who are not being miraculously cured, healed, or benefitted. Suppose that Jesus miraculously fed and healed thousands, raised someone from the dead, or that God parted the Red Sea to save the Israelites. Suppose that all of the millions of visitors to the shrine at Lourdes, France who claimed to have been miraculously healed were actually miraculously healed. Suppose that God were to reach out and instantaneously eliminate all pointless suffering in the world today. None of these miracles accomplishes nearly as much as God could: He didn’t do it yesterday, he didn’t do it at northern Nigeria where terrorism is the order of the day, or when the bubonic plague ravaged and killed millions in Europe during the 1300s,even now Ebola virus is killing thousands in africa. He didn’t do it in countless other cases where all of the morally relevant details were the same as the cases where he is alleged to have performed a miracle |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 7:01pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
Am still coming bro,am not yet through.let charge my mobile cause the battery is low.I will back to continue.thank you |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by qstar(m): 7:44pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
kikikiki 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 8:35pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
The creation story is the silliest part of the bible. Imagine God just happens from nowhere and starts making stuffs by asking them to happen. |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 8:49pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
qstar: kikikikiwhy the laughter |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 8:52pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
hifaif: The creation story is the silliest part of the bible. Imagine God just happens from nowhere and starts making stuffs by asking them to happen.are you an atheist |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 9:23pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: are you an atheist No, I am a freethinker. |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 9:27pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: are you an atheist |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 9:37pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
hifaif:what's the different between the two 1 Like |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 10:04pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: what's the different between the two An atheist doesn't believe in the existence of a deity. A freethinker is someone who has rejected dogma especially with regards to religion. |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by cashkidisback1(m): 10:14pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
hifaif:OK.thanks for your explanation |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 11:16pm On Jul 12, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: OK.thanks for your explanation You are most welcome, bro |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 3:25pm On Jul 13, 2014 |
cashkidisback1:am waiting for u to complete ur argument. I'm a Christian, but I'm trying to follow u with as free a mind as possible |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Busybody2(f): 3:47pm On Jul 14, 2014 |
kolawaxxy: If that was what you could gleen from my submission, all I can say is "oh dear" ***sighs*** |
Re: Reasons Why i do not believe in the existence of a god by Nobody: 3:16pm On Jul 19, 2014 |
cashkidisback1: reading won't kill you darling,don't be too lazy to read cause its good for your health am a sucker for reading , but i have other post to read as well, so long stories should be summarised tankisu |
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