veecovee:

I very busy here but my last word to you is that many are in hell for disobeying tithe

God bless you

They went to hell because they disobeyed tithe...

In other words TITHES is to be obeyed...

In other words the tithe is your god...

The more reason the tract should be written and written ASAP!

frosbel:

Okay, I will keep quiet and allow my brethren suffer in silence and allow the Pastors carry out their crimes undercover.

By the way , many atheists see the nonsense that is wrong with so many of the religious myths that the brainwashed Christians in Nigerian stubbornly adhere to .

"No wonder the Scriptures say, "The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you." - Romans 2:24

i you ever seen a tither that is not happy paying tithe
i am a tither, am happy about it and nothing can change my mind about tithing because i ve seen the benefit
i heve friends that are not tithers and they claim they are happy about it too
let's channel our energy to something else
let's print track to preach the gospel
the fact that pagan and Muslim are joining u in this is enough reason to have a rethink
there is this saying in my place IT'S ONLY A BASTARD CHILD THAT DESCRIBES HIS FATHER'S HOUSE WITH HIS LEFT HAND
the Church of God is our father's house
let's pray for revival in the church
let's not try to do the work of the Holy Spirit for him
thanks

DrummaBoy:

They went to hell because they disobeyed tithe...

In other words TITHES is to be obeyed...

In other words the tithe is your god...

The more reason the tract should be written and written ASAP!

disobeying tithe is disobeying the 6th commandment. Thats robbing God

nep2ra:

See this mugu.

Na only you waka come?

You sound like a hustling pastor.

Abeg go siddon.

sorry i m a businessman and instead of paying less than 1/10, i prefare paying more. My dear, the blessings that follows me now is unusual. I used to struggle for conection those days but now they come on their own.

join tithers, dont mind what pastors are doing with the money, God will judge them all. God only looks at your obedient heart

veecovee:

join tithers, dont mind what pastors are doing with the money, God will judge them all. God only looks at your obedient heart

This is where I have problem with my fellow tithers. Why won't we mind what the pastor is doing with the money? If pastor is using your tithe to enrich himself rather than attending to the needs of less priviledged brethren and other church needs you keep paying there? What stops you from paying your tithe in another church? Any biblical support? Again what stops you from querrying how pastor is misusing church fund? What stops you from enlightening other brethren on the need to find a way of stopping pastor from mismanaging church fund. If my pastor tries any such thing I ll raise it openly in the meeting and where he doesn't give me a convincing answer I ll take my tithe to another church. I don't know how to pretend over what I'm not comfortable with.

alexleo:

This is where I have problem with my fellow tithers. Why won't we mind what the pastor is doing with the money? If pastor is using your tithe to enrich himself rather than attending to the needs of less priviledged brethren and other church needs you keep paying there? What stops you from paying your tithe in another church? Any biblical support? Again what stops you from querrying how pastor is misusing church fund? What stops you from enlightening other brethren on the need to find a way of stopping pastor from mismanaging church fund. If my pastor tries any such thing I ll raise it openly in the meeting and where he doesn't give me a convincing answer I ll take my tithe to another church. I don't know how to pretend over what I'm not comfortable with.

well bro you are right to an extend, i would rather go to another church with my tithe than judge any pastor

kuss:
i you ever seen a tither that is not happy paying tithe
i am a tither, am happy about it and nothing can change my mind about tithing because i ve seen the benefit
i heve friends that are not tithers and they claim they are happy about it too
let's channel our energy to something else
let's print track to preach the gospel
the fact that pagan and Muslim are joining u in this is enough reason to have a rethink
there is this saying in my place IT'S ONLY A BASTARD CHILD THAT DESCRIBES HIS FATHER'S HOUSE WITH HIS LEFT HAND
the Church of God is our father's house
let's pray for revival in the church
let's not try to do the work of the Holy Spirit for him
thanks

Have you ever seen a Catholic unhappy worshipping Mary?

Have you ever seen a Mohammedian unhappy worshipping Allah?

Have you ever seen a Hinduist unhappy worshipping cows?

Have you ever seen an animist unhappy placing "ebo" in a T-junction?

Do you think Saul of Tarusus was unhappy as a Judaist?

Have you ever seen a religionist unhappy about doing works?

Its not about happiness in what you do; its about whether what is done in the name of religion has a foundation in scripture.

And as for this tithe of a thing... naaa, far from it.

nep2ra:

Your motive for tithing is acquisition of material blessings (possessions) and greed. Pure and simple!

It just shows you have turned [the image of] God into a money doubler.

Tithing is as practiced in most churches today is not scriptural. There is nothing to back up the practise of this abominable act.

Too many churches and mosques in Nigeria yet wickedness is the order of the day. Says a lot, doesn't it?

God said if you tithe, he 'll open the windows of heaven and pour you the type of blessings that would over flow your store

There is no sincerity in this whole stuff except to cause confusion. I am not against nor in support of tithing but this kind of thread isn't necessary. Why not put up a contest for designing regular gospel tract instead of controversial ones like this.

frosbel: Okay our Young ones ( students , corpers or new graduates ONLY ) , here is a challenge :

I want one of you anti-tithers to design and create a tract on why tithing is wrong, why the poor or anyone for that matter should not pay it and why we should help those in need instead of enriching pastors.

This tract must be colourful, straight to the point ( no essays ) and not more than 2 tract size pages.

The Winner will get £50 after the forum members review and approve the best tract.

The plan is to print these out and distribute to the masses in buses, street corners etc. So we will also need volunteers to :

- Pay for printing costs
- to distribute these tracts wholesale or retail.

I will also support to an extent printing costs.

am in!

mployer: There is no sincerity in this whole stuff except to cause confusion. I am not against nor in support of tithing but this kind of thread isn't necessary. Why not put up a contest for designing regular gospel tract instead of controversial ones like this.

john 8:32. Then you will the truth and the truth shall set you free. Pls mr define gospel.

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EMILO2STAY: john 8:32. Then you will the truth and the truth shall set you free. Pls mr define gospel.

Gospel is good news. It is bringing the news of the redeeming power of Jesus Christ to the dieing world. It is no bigotry nor senseless argument.

mployer:
Gospel is good news. It is bringing the news of the redeeming power of Jesus Christ to the dieing world. It is no bigotry nor senseless argument.

very good; hence teaching people using biblical backing that the redeeming power of jesus christ has freed christians from the bondage of the mosiac law ( tithe inclusive) is good news to our generation. So the anti tithe message is a gospel.

nep2ra:

N.1gga, you really have to drop this line of argument. This passage of the scripture is what your greedy pastors use to deceive you.

Study the chapter of Malachi in its proper context. You are not talking to an id1.ot.

Easy bro

Oh dear Lord Jesus!
What a thread...what level of desperation!

I prophesy doom for this project, why? Because He that sits on High is laughing. If only u guys would channel this energy for soul winning and building... £50 can get an outreach program done...and more than 20 sould would receive Christ into their hearts... but rather like Judas, you folks care about the monetary part before salvation.

In few months time, I'd bring up this thread and see the reports so far....

alexleo:

Easy bro

Brother,

Sometimes when you read what people write it makes you want to give them a new brain.

Lol
Am in.

I posted Froebel "challenge" on a Facebook page on the tithing and see what a lady wrote in response:

Someone asked me today if I had a tract on
so-called tithing. The Holy Ghost witness to two
souls that we have been lied to.

Another reason we must get to work.

I remember clearly that after being a Christian for only a months or so, it was a tract I read on the Perseverance of the Saints that sowed the seed of God's word in my heart. And after God, that singular doctrine is the reason I have not returned to the world ever since.

Also, I came across a tract just this morning discussing religious cults. I felt we could design this tract that way too. It is six pages with approximately 2,500 words on it. Printing will be easy as it will be one sheet of say A4 paper that the six pages will be printed on with texts in three columns of each page. the tract can then be neatly wrapped with the front page in front.

I guess you understand what I mean.

DrummaBoy:

Have you ever seen a Catholic unhappy worshipping Mary?

Have you ever seen a Mohammedian unhappy worshipping Allah?

Have you ever seen a Hinduist unhappy worshipping cows?

Have you ever seen an animist unhappy placing "ebo" in a T-junction?

Do you think Saul of Tarusus was unhappy as a Judaist?

Have you ever seen a religionist unhappy about doing works?

Its not about happiness in what you do; its about whether what is done in the name of religion has a foundation in scripture.

And as for this tithe of a thing... naaa, far from it.

it's the word that changes people
preach the word only
campaign can not stop anything
has anti abortion campaign be able to stop abortion
has anti gay campaign be able to stop gay
some Catholics, hinduist, Mohammedan ete have heard the word and have converted
speek the word only
there's no amount of campaign that can stop a Catholic from worshipping mary or Muslim from worshiping Allah
those that have been converted are those that heard the word
thanks

In the next post I will be presenting the text I have written and thus propose for the oncoming tract on tithing.

The text contain 2,419 words, a little short of the 2,500 words I had proposed for a six paged tract.

If my submission is accepted as the text for the tract, I am stating upfront that I shall be donating the £50, winner's price, towards the printing and distribution of the tracts, this is in addition to whatever else I would do for the success of the project. I do not think this move is made in anyway to prejudice frosbel to give me the "price money". Whichever way, he will still give the cash now... Abi?


I invite everyone to carefully peruse the text for grammatical correction and other things. I will gladly accept deletion and addition as the house agrees to. I assume this is an as anti tithers project and thus tithers may not have much to contribute to the text.

Thank you frosbel for this laudable project. Stay tuned....

[size=16pt]SHOULD YOU TITHE TODAY?[/size]

The answer to the title of this tract is “No” and we shall be examining “why” in the remainder of the tract. The subject of whether Christians are to tithe or not to tithe is a deeply contentious one today, and obviously so because it involves money. This tract shall be offering biblical proofs to the thesis that “Christians are not obligated to tithe today”.

The Biblical Tithe

When we hear the word “tithe” today, our minds are drawn to the concept of 10% of a person’s income. Unfortunately, this is not the definition the bible offers for the tithe. In fact from Genesis to Revelation there is no account of anyone giving a tithe of his income to anybody; neither was the tithe money in the bible, even though there are ample evidences to show that money was being used since the days of Abraham. The word “tithe” had been mentioned in the story of Abraham and Jacob in the book of Genesis, but it was not until Leviticus 27:30-32 would we find something close to a definition for the tithe.

30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD… 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

The tithe is defined here to be of the “seed of the land”, “fruit of the tree” and tenth of the herd. The biblical tithes were agricultural products or food, they were never money. This so called definition for the tithe is accepted by many because Leviticus 27 is the first time in the bible God would mention the word “tithe” and while mentioning it, he describes it as holy and he tells us what it consisted of.

Later in other books of Moses, we find passages of scriptures that help us to comprehend the biblical tithe better. Numbers 18:20-28, Deuteronomy 14:22-29 and Deuteronomy 26:12-15, showed us that the biblical tithes were a tenth of the agricultural products Israel harvested off the holy land God had given them. The tithes were to be given to the Levites. Levi was a tribe in Israel God had separated to serve him and who had no inheritance in Israel; the tithe was their inheritance. In the process, the Levitical tribe, that included the Aaronic priests, were the people involved in the administration of the civil and the religious life of the nation of Israel. The tithes became something like a system of taxation with which the Levitical tribe was provided for as they served the people. The aforementioned scriptures also showed that the tithes were given to the poor, the widows, the orphans and the stranger. Therefore this class of people was exempted from tithing. At other times, the tithe was even eaten by the tither himself. Every scripture in the bible that referred to tithes showed that the tithe was food. When God mentioned the bringing of tithes in Malachi 3:10, he also said “that there might be meat (food) in my house”. When Jesus mentioned the tithe in Matthew 23:23, he enumerated “mints, anise and cumin”. These were spices for food.

Also, the injunction to tithe under Moses was part of the Mosaic laws that were done away with through the sacrificial works our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, on the cross (Romans 10:4; Ephesians 2:15; Hebrew 8:13). If we must tithe today, we should also keep every other aspect of the laws of Moses (Galatians 5:3; James 2:10 ). If this is not practical, then it is simply not practical to tithe today.

Finally, it is not particularly correct to ask Christians to tithe because Abraham tithed. Abraham tithed from war spoils and not from his possessions or income. And it is clear from scriptures that we are called to imitate Abraham's faith and not every detail of his life - some of which were not exactly exemplary (Genesis 12:11-13 ; Romans 4:3; Galatians 3:7). Abraham also circumcised his sons, following a direct instruction from God in Genesis 17, but by the time of the New Testament, Jesus' apostles show us that circumcision was not a New Testament obligation (Acts 15; Galatians 5:3-4; Colossians 2:16-17; Philippians 3:3).


Tithing and the Gospel

The doctrine and practice of tithing is threatening the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ is shown clearly in the New Testament to be a free gospel (Romans 8:32; 2Peter 1:3). The idea that salvation or any gift of God can be purchased is strongly repudiated in the bible (Acts 8:20). Unfortunately, this is the impression that modern day practice of tithing is giving the world. There are many Christian churches today that make tithing compulsory. They go to the extent of saying that people cannot be members of churches except they are “faithful” tithers. Apart from the fact that such a position is foreign to scripture, it also betrays the central truth of the bible that our salvation is no longer fully paid; rather, it gives the impression that there are things we must add to it. In the days of the bible some thought to add good works to their salvation; in our days pastors are asking us to add tithing to our salvation.

Despite the abuse the gospel of Jesus Christ has suffered in the hands of false teachers, its basic content remain unchanged. Jesus Christ died on the cross for all men so as to save men from sin. All that is required to enjoy the blessings of the cross is for the individual to understand this truth and to repent of his/her sins and believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. By believing in him you will be saved. God does not require a penny from you to be saved; neither does he demand a kobo from you to keep you safe. The salvation that Jesus Christ purchased for the world has been fully paid for, we need not add a tithe, a firstfuit, pledges, a giving, or any kind of good works to make it complete. The salvation you receive by faith is a complete one (Colossians 2:10). All that God requires of you is to repent and believe. I trust that if anyone reading this tract is not saved, they would take advantage of this free offer of salvation. And for those who might need further understanding on the subject of salvation, you can refer to the contact address below this tract.

Christian Work Ethics

The leading lie that is sold to people about the need to tithe is that tithing is a means to financial prosperity. People are told to tithe to either secure their finances or to break the stranglehold of poverty. Those who teach this doctrine resort to Malachi 3:8-12 and interpret God's saying he would send a blessing, following the act of tithing, as God promising prosperity for tithing. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Malachi 3:8-12, in its literal form, is a message to Jews and not to Christians and this is the reason why despite years of tithing, many Christians are yet to see these blessings that have been promised. What secures prosperity for Christians is not tithing but plain hard work. The New Testament teaches that we should work so we may eat (2Thessalonians 3:7-10) and it encourages the strong to work and provide for the weak (Acts 20:33-35). God is not a magician and he does not do money doubling. Nations who are godless but prosperous today got to that point by adhering to basic Christian work ethics, and not by tithing. After we have done what we ought to do, the Christian might then call upon God to bless the works of his hands and God is certain to do this. Giving to get or tithing is not a Christian means to financial prosperity.

Christian Giving

The laws of Moses that enacted tithing were a shadow of things to come, which is the New Testament Christian life (Heb 8:5). Therefore Malachi 3:10, an extension of the Mosaic law, was pointing the church to a spiritual lesson.

Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do," says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, "I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! (NLT)

The Christian's body is the temple of God today (I Corinthian 6:19; Ephesians 6:22). The temple which was a copy or shadow of something to come has been made perfect in our body through Christ. Therefore the storehouse is not in any church building made by hand. It is in us; in our body.

Giving help to a brother or sister who is in need means bringing food (or tithe) into the storehouse of God. That is why God is pleased with sharing among brethren (Heb 13:16) and that is why sharing was a major feature of the early church (Acts 4:32; 2Corinthians 8:1-2). This is why our Christ, the High priest who receives tithe(gifts) in his temple(our body) said, "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." This is how to give to God through Christ.

Take your tithe or 5%, 20%, 60%, etc of your income cheerfully to the true storehouse of God (people in need) and fill it. Whosoever it is. Mandating anyone to PAY tithe in the church is refusing to understand the true spiritual lesson that Malachi 3 wishes to teach us. There is no greater commandment than these: Love the LORD your God and love your neighbour as yourself, Mark 12:30-31.

Further Study

A tract like this cannot contain everything that needs to be known about the biblical tithe. I therefore refer the readers to some readily available materials on the internet for you to study more on the biblical tithes:

1. Gary J. Arnolds works on www.tithing101.com
2. Matthew E. Nerramore’s works: www.tekoapublishing.com.
3. Dr. Russel Kelly whose PHD theological thesis was on tithing: www.tithing-russkelly.com

Contact Address:

(As shall be agreed by the publishers of the tract)

EDITED

kuss:

it's the word that changes people
preach the word only
campaign can not stop anything
has anti abortion campaign be able to stop abortion
has anti gay campaign be able to stop gay
some Catholics, hinduist, Mohammedan ete have heard the word and have converted
speek the word only
there's no amount of campaign that can stop a Catholic from worshipping mary or Muslim from worshiping Allah
those that have been converted are those that heard the word
thanks

Gbam..

kuss:

it's the word that changes people
preach the word only
campaign can not stop anything
has anti abortion campaign be able to stop abortion
has anti gay campaign be able to stop gay
some Catholics, hinduist, Mohammedan ete have heard the word and have converted
speek the word only
there's no amount of campaign that can stop a Catholic from worshipping mary or Muslim from worshiping Allah
those that have been converted are those that heard the word
thanks

but the tract will contain the word of God and it is directed to those who pay money to their local church in the name of tithe. Catholics and muslims do not pay tithe.

who told you catholic don't pay tithe
i used to pay tithe when i was in the Catholic Church they even have a register for tithe
my sisters are still catholic and they pay tithe
my dad was a Muslim i can remember he used to give zakat he also gave offering regularly in the mosque

kuss: who told you catholic don't pay tithe
i used to pay tithe when i was in the Catholic Church they even have a register for tithe
my sisters are still catholic and they pay tithe
my dad was a Muslim i can remember he used to give zakat he also gave offering regularly in the mosque

my brother lets not argue over this...its a well known fact that catholics dont pay tithe neither do their priest preach tithe from malachi 3.8, i was born and baptized into the catholic church so u are not talking to a novice,i am aware in recent times some fraudulent priest in nigeria intruduced tithe to the catholic church but that is not a catholic doctrine . The zakat in islam is simply voluntary alms giving for charity purpose and not compulsory 10% of their income.

Gombs:

Oh dear Lord Jesus!
What a thread...what level of desperation!

I prophesy doom for this project, why? Because He that sits on High is laughing. If only u guys would channel this energy for soul winning and building... £50 can get an outreach program done...and more than 20 sould would receive Christ into their hearts... but rather like Judas, you folks care about the monetary part before salvation.

In few months time, I'd bring up this thread and see the reports so far....

Seconded!!!
Your post just made my mind flash to psalm 2:1-4

Why do the nations plan rebellion? 1
Why do people make their
useless plots?
Their kings revolt, 2
their rulers plot together
against the LORD
and against the anointed ONE he chose.
“Let us free ourselves from their rule,”
they say; 3
“let us throw off their control.”
From his throne in heaven the Lord
laughs 4
and mocks their feeble plans.

My problem with non-tithers is not the fact that they don't tithe, because its their choice. But the fact that they don't want others, who believe in tithing to continue in their faith. I mean how does it affects you if the next man decides to tithe? If they choose to be gullible as you've termed it, maybe it their choice and you should respect that. After all I have found it on several pages of the bible "irrespective if it is old or new" where we are asked to tithe. But I am yet to read a single portion of the bible that bluntly says we shouldn't tithe, so maybe until that portion come up, let those who believe in tithe, and the other non-tithing believer continue in their practices, without trying to claim rights. Matt.23:13 reads..“How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You lock the door to the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces, but you yourselves don't go in, nor do you allow in those who are trying to enter! Go in" my purpose of employing this scripture is to make you see reasons why you should let them be. And as for who gets the tithe its not of my business, "I speak for my self here" cause when I drop the money in the altar I assume I have given it to God. And am too busy to look back on how it is been spent, shall a man rob God by using God's money for his personal use, and you think God will not make the thief pay with his life? Are you now the right person to fight for God? Or did he set you in his committee to look in to the matter?