tbaba1234: Maclatunji

tbaba1234: How can only Nigeria see moon? Na to repay one fast back

maclatunji:

2 things.

The procedure is not to rely on Premium Times report to reverse such a decision.

The Sultan has to come out and announce any such error. Then we who followed his announcement can make an additional day of fasting. It is that simple.

ShehuAba: Yes the controversy continues.
Unless what I am reading is not true. where in this report did the sultan admitted such error. Even the report of the joint committee which was given in parts didn't suggest that. where Is the conclusion. premium times jumped into conclusion and are telling us about experts. where are the experts? They mentioned Dr ishola whom they claim wasn't even in Nigeria then. And prof oloyede whose Stance is already known before now.

tbaba1234:

According to the report, the Sultan ordered an investigation and the result was that no moon was sighted:

The Sultan, who is also the President of the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs [NSCIA], commissioned the joint moonsighting investigation after his Saturday call triggered controversy, with some of the nation’s foremost clerics as well as the Secretary General of the NSCIA, Is-haq Oloyede, openly questioning his judgment.

The result of the investigation, also endorsed by the Sultan’s representatives, was unambiguous: The claim that the moon was sighted on Saturday was questionable as it was impossible for anyone to see the moon anywhere in the world at that time.

The committee carried out its assignment between 6:45PM and 7:45PM on Sunday.

The report of the joint committee, compiled by Usman Mahmud, a research officer with the National Moon Sighting Committee, reads in part:

“I write to inform you that we (the National Moon Sighting Committee) and the Sultanate Moon Sighting Committee went to the Sighting of Moon today (Sunday, July 27, 2014).

“The moon was not sighted with Unclad eye or with telescope and binocular. However, we used some programmes and software applications like Skymap, Stellarium and Virtual Moon to get the details of the moon.

“The details of the Moon are: Age: 19H (hour) 05M(minutes); Hour Angle/DE:04H 45M 11S(seconds)/ +12 21’11′; Distance between sun and moon: 3.5′.”


If the investigating committee says no moon was sighted then we can't have Eid.

Now we await an official retraction, I hope he is courageous enough to make one. It would be very embarrassing.

maclatunji: @!tbaba, what is the sunnah for starting and ending the fast? This should be our polcy on this matter. It is not news that those using computers have said they think it is impossible for the moon to have been sighted on Saturday night.

ShehuAba:

According to the report: It was not authoritative to say that the moon was not sighted. They said: Experts suggested that the results of the investigation indicated that the sultan erred in his submission.
Now where is the acceptance? A suggestion can never be a conclusion. Now they said the sultan palace, where in the report suggests the palace or its members accepted the error.
Let's be factual, this report is a crap and can not be relied upon. They are just trying to mislead with this ambiguous heading and report

sino: If you are waiting on the Sultan to come on TV to make an announcement, then i'm afraid you are on a long thing, but i am hopeful....
I believe this report is suffient for a wise Muslim.

Just repay a day fast lobatan!

tbaba1234:

Read the report of the investigative group:

The report of the joint committee, compiled by Usman Mahmud, a research officer with the National Moon Sighting Committee, reads in part:

“I write to inform you that we (the National Moon Sighting Committee) and the Sultanate Moon Sighting Committee went to the Sighting of Moon today (Sunday, July 27, 2014).

“The moon was not sighted with Unclad eye or with telescope and binocular. However, we used some programmes and software applications like Skymap, Stellarium and Virtual Moon to get the details of the moon



The report is saying no moon was sighted ,

tbaba1234:

Read the report of the investigative group:

The report of the joint committee, compiled by Usman Mahmud, a research officer with the National Moon Sighting Committee, reads in part:

“I write to inform you that we (the National Moon Sighting Committee) and the Sultanate Moon Sighting Committee went to the Sighting of Moon today (Sunday, July 27, 2014).

“The moon was not sighted with Unclad eye or with telescope and binocular. However, we used some programmes and software applications like Skymap, Stellarium and Virtual Moon to get the details of the moon



The report is saying no moon was sighted ,

ShehuAba:

How is it sufficient for a wise Muslim. we don't expect him to come on TV and allude to it. But we can also not fast in error. The fact that you didn't agree with the sultan doesn't mean you should support false hood. The report is not comprehensive enough for us to start repaying our fast. Premium times didn't order us to fast and break our fast. Rather it was the sultan we obeyed. So we await him to make a pronouncement on this , if it's really true.

ShehuAba:

The report said no moon was sighted by them on Sunday between 6:45pm and 7:45pm, and they used telescopes etc, and it was not sighted. Agreed
Now, where is the conclusion from the committee to suggest that the sultan actually made an error. At least after? every investigation there is always a conclusion. Why didn't premium times inform us of that rather than making hasty conclusions. And indicting the sultan unjustifiably.
Am not against the report or claiming it was not right. But things must be put in their proper perspectives.

vedaxcool: This argument is becoming irritating, this could have been avoided if those who claimed to have been using scientific method had stated before saturday night that it would be impossible to sight the moon, Rather than wait for an announcement to be made?

I am still amazed that anybody would go as far to claim he saw the moon when he did, or could it a miracle as thaba suggested?

NSCI has not handled the issue with wisdom, is there some sort of in fighting? I don't understand why members are rushing to make comments to the media as a tactic to pressure the sultan into taking their side?

Now we are cut up between the normal sunnah way of sighting the moon and sitting behind your computer and concluding there was no moon!

tbaba1234:

Moon sighted, fast ends.

Are we the only country upholding the sunnah? We can definitely tell when it is impossible to see the moon with the knowledge that Allah has provided.

We also use technology to determine the time for salat. Would you rather go outside and look at the weather?

The report is the investigation of the investigating committee, let us see if the Sultan makes it official.

maclatunji:

Thank you my brother. I have said it multiple times: "follow the sunnah and avoid confusion".

Those dashing to give "exclusives" to Premium Times on an issue that affects Muslims in Nigeria in general are at the very least myopic.

tbaba1234:
Can you please outline this Sunnah??

ShehuAba: It seems tbaba1234 and sino are getting me all wrong.
The investigative report is a good thing. from the report by premium times they are trying to insinuate as if they sultan and his palace have alluded to it. A report is subject to acceptance or rejection. No media house has the right to speak for the sultan or any body. They should be objective in their reportage and not mislead the citizenry as they have done thus far with this report.
That's what I am insinuating and until something credible is reported I won't accept it.
@ sino I am aware of the reward for fasting and it takes me nothing to fast but I will never do that when am not supposed.

maclatunji:

It is wrong for you to ask me when I asked you first. I have written about it before. Go throuh my posts and quote me if you like.

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