OLAADEGBU:

It sums up your fishy morality in a few words.



Since some folks believe that it is right to kill unborn babies while others think there's no problem with killing people of other religions or ethnicities and some think it's OK to be racists. Tell me, whose position shall we follow if we are to be subjective in our moral code of conduct? Are you saying we are all right, shouldn't there be a line drawn in the sand somewhere?



Absolute morality doesn't comport with atheism and that's why you say that morality is subjective. When push comes to shove, as one of the fishes depicted in the cartoon found out, you will realize that morality is not a personally subjective choice.

I will not slander upon you because you have shown some aptitude and a level of intelligence not synonymous with most religious folks. What people don't understand is that the highest form of morality is actually atheism because it is not born out of fear of eternal damnation like Christianity or Islam but a desire to know the unknowable and to create an utopia like heaven on earth.Their is little guilt or need of been saved because we believe we are the architects of the earth and everything evil and good in it is as a result of our activities and not demons or gods. We hope to instill in people this sense of transcendence beyond mortality a sense of unity and direction one purpose which is greatness beyond the stars. Building colonies on other planets and harvesting energy directly from the sun. It is a vision unreachable if bigoted fanatics run about blowing themselves up. and if people decide to accept the easy answers the Islamic novels provide. No we are the architect of our greatness our demise and are bound for damnation as long as people preach difference separateness and lack of unity.I will not strip you of your right to believe but don't be gullible and have a thirst for knowledge like we do and don't use religion as a tool to cause disharmony. Truth be told atheism is not born of fear but of truth and not of lies and with no end profit but transcendence of humanity to the point of almost beyond mortality. That if past generations were to see the works of our minds we would be referred to as Gods. That is why we are less likely to be manipulated. You can remain a christian if you want but a fact is a fact even if it does not agree with the novels of a deity.But if shit hits the fan because of these eternal conflicts due to religion. The religious ones will be flayed and the world will witness the wraith a lack of faith has to offer. Practice your faith moderately.

Joshthefirst: yes. Those who have never heard the gospel.

^^^You forgot to answer the question below...

musKeeto:

For those who have never heard of this gospel, their existence in the afterlife will be determined on what basis?

OLAADEGBU:

Your fishy morality just takes advantage of the situation to please yourselves. If your Government reduces the age of consent for sex to 13 would you not take advantage of the situation?

Olorun kile leyi how does what i said have anything to do with this reply. How does reducing the age of consent have anything to do with the optimizing of the potential of the society and its individual members? religious folks even with the benefit of the doubt they are just what they are.

1ord: Nope it is not because one fears the arm of the law. It is the realization that if we were all red eyed cannibals their would be no progress in humanity and our chances of self accomplishment and attempts to further humanity will be futile and pointless. Further the chances of our survival in an organised and controlled situation is optimal. That is why atheists agnostics and deists seem to want to control religion. Because we have moved beyond it and it just seems to drag us as a species backwards. I do not kill because i fear the law,with a good enough lawyer and sufficient bribes i can find a loop hole within the law. Its just that the stress and time spent can be spent immortalizing my name and receiving plaudits and awards. Hence atheist do not fear the law they respect and encourage it because it furthers their agenda and optimizes their chances of survival. Imagine what it would have been like been a free thinker in the stone ages with no laws. we would have been flayed for heresy for opening up the human body to find out how it works. Now you enjoy a long life due to the risk a free thinker took although many were flayed. We have taken the mantle upon ourselves to further humanity so they can become the Gods and determine the point of their existence not as an individual but as a unit. That is why we have problems with religion it creates an individual specific identity. Explaining this will take too much time. Hope i have cleared your doubts.

Referring to the bold i meant to say atheist do not fear the law hence fear of the law is not the reason why they do not kill but because it is pointless and moved further to explain why and how it does not further the development of our societies or species because that is the point of atheism.The only fear of atheism is that humanity will fail as a species die out or people refuse education in the name of a deity. i think you misunderstood . Just to clarify
To the below?
Are you insinuating or trying to insult my person by referring to pedophilia. This is meant to be a constructive argument and so far you have failed to prove any point whatsoever.

OLAADEGBU:

Your fishy morality just takes advantage of the situation to please yourselves. If your Government reduces the age of consent for sex to 13 would you not take advantage of the situation? undecided

Furthermore i am too educated to engage in such nefarious activities. I am well aware that biology reveals that at a tender age of 13 the womb and urinary tract and also the hip size are not in the right proportion and can lead to several complications during child birth. It can completely damage the urethra and lead to various kidney infections and later death it can lead to damage of the womb not to preach but there's nothing good in copulating with an under aged. Furthermore there is no true consent at such an age because the person has not fully developed self of sense and identity. What might be referred to as consent is either influence or manipulation from some one older who the minor might look up to or out of fear of not conforming. Furthermore religious texts encourage copulating with minors. It was the discovery by science that led to laws against sex with minors not morality. Because if the bible and quaran dictated morality and not the need of self preservation and order we would raid non christian villages kill their men women cattles and salt their lands in the name of God and also sleep with children please come up with a better argument and less flaws doesn't tell so good of you.The problem with religious folks is that they are so copped up in their belief that they attribute every decision made to a deity.How can you live as such? Are you sentient at all? like sleeping with a 13 year old is just dangerous for the minor but abnormal and does not further society in any way but reduce us to primal perverted dogs. Like on what basis or reasoning would one reduce the age of consent when facts, science, medicine and psychology stand against this decision. I am just deeply troubled right now.

OLAADEGBU:

God is the Creator and deserves the right to discard His creation as He sees fit. That does not give us the right to discard what we have not created. Abortion is murder because you have taken the life that you cannot create.

See what made these folks change their minds about abortion within seconds... www.the180movie.com


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

Seriously this is your best defence? Your god did not create nothing. You only believe this because some book of fiction written by primitive men who arrogated to themselves the status of the 'chosen ones' and raised their god above all others said so. Your argument is invalid.

Dragonking:

^^^You forgot to answer the question below...

The question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

If you won't believe foundational basic things, why should I waste my time?

Joshthefirst: The question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

If you won't believe foundational basic things, why should I waste my time?

The question is now irrelevant?? i choose to ignore.

Joshthefirst: The question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

If you won't believe foundational basic things, why should I waste my time?

What happened? You used to face disbelievers but now you dodge with your vague answers....

TheBigUrban2:




What happened? You used to face disbelievers but now you dodge with your vague answers....

No time to waste on foolishness.

Truth eludes men who lie to themselves you know.

cold:

Seriously this is your best defence? Your god did not created nothing. You only believe this because some book of fiction written by primitive men who arrogated to themselves the status of the 'chosen ones' and raised their god above all others said so. Your argument is invalid.

You just shot yourself in the foot by saying "Your god did not create(d) nothing"What you are actually saying is that my God did create something and I say would even go further to say that He created everything.

Joshthefirst: The question is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

If you won't believe foundational basic things, why should I waste my time?

Classic!!

1ord:

I will not slander upon you because you have shown some aptitude and a level of intelligence not synonymous with most religious folks.

Thanks for the compliment.

1ord:

What people don't understand is that the highest form of morality is actually atheism because it is not born out of fear of eternal damnation like Christianity or Islam but a desire to know the unknowable and to create an utopia like heaven on earth.Their is little guilt or need of been saved because we believe we are the architects of the earth and everything evil and good in it is as a result of our activities and not demons or gods.

If atheism is known for anything at all I'll say it is known for behavioral inconsistencies. Your behaviour does not portray what you claim to believe. You teach and believe that human beings are simply chemical accidents, which is the end product of a long purposeless chain of biological evolution but when you go home you hug and kiss your wife and children, as if they are not simply chemical accidents but irreplaceable persons who deserve love and respect.

1ord:

We hope to instill in people this sense of transcendence beyond mortality a sense of unity and direction one purpose which is greatness beyond the stars. Building colonies on other planets and harvesting energy directly from the sun. It is a vision unreachable if bigoted fanatics run about blowing themselves up. and if people decide to accept the easy answers the Islamic novels provide. No we are the architect of our greatness our demise and are bound for damnation as long as people preach difference separateness and lack of unity.

Your dream can only be achieved if you stick to observational science. Historical science cannot be repeated, tested, falsified or experimented upon. The theory of Evolution, which is your deity is not observational science, it is not even a scientific theory or hypothesis. They only qualify as fairytales for adults.

1ord:

I will not strip you of your right to believe but don't be gullible and have a thirst for knowledge like we do and don't use religion as a tool to cause disharmony. Truth be told atheism is not born of fear but of truth and not of lies and with no end profit but transcendence of humanity to the point of almost beyond mortality. That if past generations were to see the works of our minds we would be referred to as Gods. That is why we are less likely to be manipulated. You can remain a christian if you want but a fact is a fact even if it does not agree with the novels of a deity.But if shit hits the fan because of these eternal conflicts due to religion. The religious ones will be flayed and the world will witness the wraith a lack of faith has to offer. Practice your faith moderately.

Evolution is the religion of atheists and you believe this because you have to suppress your knowledge of the existence of God. You deny with your lips what you know in your heart. God has revealed Himself to everyone (Romans 1:19).

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them" (Romans 1:19).

1ord:

Referring to the bold i meant to say atheist do not fear the law hence fear of the law is not the reason why they do not kill but because it is pointless and moved further to explain why and how it does not further the development of our societies or species because that is the point of atheism.The only fear of atheism is that humanity will fail as a species die out or people refuse education in the name of a deity. i think you misunderstood . Just to clarify
To the below?
Are you insinuating or trying to insult my person by referring to pedophilia. This is meant to be a constructive argument and so far you have failed to prove any point whatsoever.

I was not insulting you I was only making the point that the morality of atheists are relative. As you feel bad about the crime of paedophilia others who come from a different culture will see nothing wrong in not only violating minors but marrying them. My question is, what makes your own code of conduct right and theirs wrong?

1ord:

Furthermore i am too educated to engage in such nefarious activities. I am well aware that biology reveals that at a tender age of 13 the womb and urinary tract and also the hip size are not in the right proportion and can lead to several complications during child birth. It can completely damage the urethra and lead to various kidney infections and later death it can lead to damage of the womb not to preach but there's nothing good in copulating with an under aged.

I understand your point but do you realise that just as you detest paedophilia others equally detest murder in the name of abortion which you will most likely condone as long as your culture allows it.

1ord:

Furthermore there is no true consent at such an age because the person has not fully developed self of sense and identity. What might be referred to as consent is either influence or manipulation from some one older who the minor might look up to or out of fear of not conforming. Furthermore religious texts encourage copulating with minors. It was the discovery by science that led to laws against sex with minors not morality. Because if the bible and quaran dictated morality and not the need of self preservation and order we would raid non christian villages kill their men women cattles and salt their lands in the name of God and also sleep with children please come up with a better argument and less flaws doesn't tell so good of you.The problem with religious folks is that they are so copped up in their belief that they attribute every decision made to a deity.How can you live as such? Are you sentient at all? like sleeping with a 13 year old is just dangerous for the minor but abnormal and does not further society in any way but reduce us to primal perverted dogs. Like on what basis or reasoning would one reduce the age of consent when facts, science, medicine and psychology stand against this decision. I am just deeply troubled right now.

Will you be singing the same song if you were to be brought up in an Islamic country?

Let's even put your morality to the test. Do you look at pornographic materials? Will you still be comfortable looking at pornographic materials if the government brings the age down to 16 from 18? At what point will you draw the line?

OLAADEGBU:

Thanks for the compliment.

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If atheism is known for anything at all I'll say it is known for behavioral inconsistencies. Your behavior does not portray what you claim to believe. You teach and believe that human beings are simply chemical accidents, which is the end product of a long purposeless chain of biological evolution but when you go home you hug and kiss your wife and children, as if they are not simply chemical accidents but irreplaceable persons who deserve love and respect.

The behavioral inconsistency is as a result of hormones.Its like a drug addict knowing heroin kills but despite still using it because he is driven by chemicals and other activities in his brain and body(Explaining this would take forever be free to educate yourself). Most highly addictive drugs simulate chemicals or hormones that create feelings related to love or the euphoria of an org.as.mic releases this chemical is called dopamine and your brain also releases it when you eat that is why people also get addicted to food. This explains why people stay in bad relationships and why atheist still bother treating loved ones like human beings because love is an addiction and the act of showing love releases this dopeamine so all in all love is itself more or less a selfish act.
How is this statement a fact? The same can be said about Christians. There were Christians in Germany yet they were happy with killing Jews like animals.Christianity is a religion synonymous with inconsistency . A pastor tells a congregation filled with paupers to pray for good health whilst using their tithes to pay for top tier health services.For this argument i would claim fallacy and joorh save these stories for the gods.

OLAADEGBU:
Your dream can only be achieved if you stick to observational science. Historical science cannot be repeated, tested, falsified or experimented upon. The theory of Evolution, which is your deity is not observational science, it is not even a scientific theory or hypothesis. They only qualify as fairytales for adults.

Loool somebody come look at this! Furthermore. not all non religious believers qualify as atheist or are atheists. There are agnostics deist and many more.Not every non religious believer believes in evolution. Furthermore evolution is not yet a fact it is half truths with a bit of bullshit if i may say because there are a few inconsistencies in the argument however the argument is more solid with more proofs and evidences than a 2000 year old book, which i call bullshit because carbon dating says the earth is far older*news flash*4.54 billion years old.I believe the theory of evolution can be improved but it is not a deity and times without number the theories have been observed so your claim of it not been an observational science i call bullshit again these theories rely on natural selection and have been replicated in closed lab experiments.Furthermore it has been predicted that antibiotics to be used in 20 years will have to be far stronger than those in use at present because of natural selection. As the weaker bacterias die out the stronger ones replicate and pass on genes needed for survival.With the weaker competitors for resources killed off the stronger bacteria's will thrive.This has brought questions to the use of antibiotics,I cry heresy to your claims of fairy tales of adults because it has been observed.

OLAADEGBU:
Evolution is the religion of atheists and you believe this because you have to suppress your knowledge of the existence of God. You deny with your lips what you know in your heart. God has revealed Himself to everyone (Romans 1:19).

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them" (Romans 1:19)

So you base your facts on a 2000 year old book whilst the earth is like 4.54 billion years. I will never understand religion because it reeks of idiocy.Your deity has done a poor of playing god if he really exists.this is evident in the wars hunger poverty and deaths. If he is really omnipotent omnipresent and unchangeable he must be away playing with another experiment or project of his because all his creations have failed.The creator will and should be held responsible for the demise of his creation not another cooked up myth of what he created.The time i laughed at the idiocy that is religion was when a prophet cough*elijah or elisha* sent a bear to eat some children like what sort of all loving God is this dafuq! To me such a creator is irresponsible. Furthermore i am more agnostic or deist than atheist. This enables me study the inconsistencies in this fallacy called religion and laugh at it whilst furthering science. Belive me if there is a God he is not that of the jeudo christian myth neither is he islamic and please i have debunked most all your arguments give me a worthwhile reply.

OLAADEGBU:

I was not insulting you I was only making the point that the morality of atheists are relative. As you feel bad about the crime of paedophilia others who come from a different culture will see nothing wrong in not only violating minors but marrying them. My question is, what makes your own code of conduct right and theirs wrong?



I understand your point but do you realise that just as you detest paedophilia others equally detest murder in the name of abortion which you will most likely condone as long as your culture allows it.



Will you be singing the same song if you were to be brought up in an Islamic country?

Let's even put your morality to the test. Do you look at pornographic materials? Will you still be comfortable looking at pornographic materials if the government brings the age down to 16 from 18? At what point will you draw the line?

Why don't you get that inconsistencies are largely or are based on religious faith . Like your arguments just leap beyond logic.If i am a liberal Muslim atheist and i know about the reproductive functions of the female Instruments and how copulating with miniors is not a healthy activity i would and must strongly disagree lest i be labelled completely illogical. Atheist are more universally grounded than you religious lot.That is why you find atheists are more similar in general belief decorum and need for order than most religious fanatics.Islam is okay with sex with minors and so is Christianity.It is science that stands against this and pushes laws against this not a myth and that is why any man who stands for science has to support it .For if he is for underage marriage he is against us and a pshycho.I really hate how you constantly blame the problems created by these stupid myth against a lack of religion like Furthermore i don't know if you have a fetish for young girls but that's none of my business*sips Kermit tea*The age limit is set to 18 due to medical research such that the whole reproductive system is fully developed for child bearing.Reducing the age of consent is just wrong because it is illogical and unsafe. I dont know why you bring this point or this question that i have answered before but to each man his very own. Please give better arguments

OLAADEGBU:

You just shot yourself in the foot by saying "Your god did not create(d) nothing"What you are actually saying is that my God did create something and I say would even go further to say that He created everything.

How is that a point ? You just state the obvious like there is no solid definition or sense of thought behind your arguments and points.Just a play on words Please if you think i am like the others you have faced loooool your on a long thing fam a very long one. How does his error invalidate his point.No please educate me i will not respond again if you don't at least make an effort.

1ord:

The behavioral inconsistency is as a result of hormones.Its like a drug addict knowing heroin kills but despite still using it because he is driven by chemicals and other activities in his brain and body(Explaining this would take forever be free to educate yourself). Most highly addictive drugs simulate chemicals or hormones that create feelings related to love or the euphoria of an org.as.mic releases this chemical is called dopamine and your brain also releases it when you eat that is why people also get addicted to food. This explains why people stay in bad relationships and why atheist still bother treating loved ones like human beings because love is an addiction and the act of showing love releases this dopeamine so all in all love is itself more or less a selfish act.
How is this statement a fact? The same can be said about Christians. There were Christians in Germany yet they were happy with killing Jews like animals.Christianity is a religion synonymous with inconsistency . A pastor tells a congregation filled with paupers to pray for good health whilst using their tithes to pay for top tier health services.For this argument i would claim fallacy and joorh save these stories for the gods.

You are not making any sense at all. Chemical reactions cannot produce altruism in humans. Let me give you another case of behavioral inconsistencies in atheists. Consider an atheist who is outraged at seeing a violent murder on the 10 o'clock news. He becomes very upset and hopes that the murderer will be punished for his crime. But in his theoretical ideology, he should have no reason to be angry because in his atheistic, evolutionary universe where people are just animals, murder is no different than a tiger killing a goat. Will you even wish that the tiger gets punished for killing a goat? You say it's just chemical reactions, why wouldn't you get upset at baking soda for reacting with vinegar, is that not what chemicals do?

1ord:

Loool somebody come look at this! Furthermore. not all non religious believers qualify as atheist or are atheists. There are agnostics deist and many more.Not every non religious believer believes in evolution. Furthermore evolution is not yet a fact it is half truths with a bit of bullshit if i may say because there are a few inconsistencies in the argument however the argument is more solid with more proofs and evidences than a 2000 year old book, which i call bullshit because carbon dating says the earth is far older*news flash*4.54 billion years old.I believe the theory of evolution can be improved but it is not a deity and times without number the theories have been observed so your claim of it not been an observational science i call bullshit again these theories rely on natural selection and have been replicated in closed lab experiments.Furthermore it has been predicted that antibiotics to be used in 20 years will have to be far stronger than those in use at present because of natural selection. As the weaker bacterias die out the stronger ones replicate and pass on genes needed for survival.With the weaker competitors for resources killed off the stronger bacteria's will thrive.This has brought questions to the use of antibiotics,I cry heresy to your claims of fairy tales of adults because it has been observed.

You are confusing issues again. Natural selection and mutation are not evolution you should get your facts right. Carbon dating is scientific but it depends on how you interpret the evidence. Your worldview will determine how you interpret the evidence. If you are looking at the evidence with your atheistic worldview then you will arrive at billion of years. If evolution is a fact as you have claimed why then is it not a scientific law?

1ord:

So you base your facts on a 2000 year old book whilst the earth is like 4.54 billion years. I will never understand religion because it reeks of idiocy.Your deity has done a poor of playing god if he really exists.this is evident in the wars hunger poverty and deaths. If he is really omnipotent omnipresent and unchangeable he must be away playing with another experiment or project of his because all his creations have failed.The creator will and should be held responsible for the demise of his creation not another cooked up myth of what he created.The time i laughed at the idiocy that is religion was when a prophet cough*elijah or elisha* sent a bear to eat some children like what sort of all loving God is this dafuq! To me such a creator is irresponsible. Furthermore i am more agnostic or deist than atheist. This enables me study the inconsistencies in this fallacy called religion and laugh at it whilst furthering science. Belive me if there is a God he is not that of the jeudo christian myth neither is he islamic and please i have debunked most all your arguments give me a worthwhile reply.

Epic fail again. Elisha did not send bears and the bears did not kill those children. Get your facts right. It is also a fallacy as to how you arrived at the age of the universe. Since you have chosen to commit treason against your Creator by using an alternative model on the origin of the universe in place of the creation account as recorded in the book of Genesis, you should know the truth that God is angry at you for your wickedness.

1ord:

Why don't you get that inconsistencies are largely or are based on religious faith . Like your arguments just leap beyond logic.If i am a liberal Muslim atheist and i know about the reproductive functions of the female Instruments and how copulating with miniors is not a healthy activity i would and must strongly disagree lest i be labelled completely illogical. Atheist are more universally grounded than you religious lot.That is why you find atheists are more similar in general belief decorum and need for order than most religious fanatics.Islam is okay with sex with minors and so is Christianity.It is science that stands against this and pushes laws against this not a myth and that is why any man who stands for science has to support it .For if he is for underage marriage he is against us and a pshycho.I really hate how you constantly blame the problems created by these stupid myth against a lack of religion like Furthermore i don't know if you have a fetish for young girls but that's none of my business*sips Kermit tea*The age limit is set to 18 due to medical research such that the whole reproductive system is fully developed for child bearing.Reducing the age of consent is just wrong because it is illogical and unsafe. I dont know why you bring this point or this question that i have answered before but to each man his very own. Please give better arguments

Sex with minors is acceptable in Islam because their prophet and the holy book allows for it but there is no provision for this in Christianity. What gives you the impression that your moral code is better than the Muslims'? Who is to say what the moral code should be? You keep on lumping science with ideologies, I doubt whether you understand what real science is all about and this shows another form of the atheist's inconsistencies.

My question is what is the atheist's moral grounding?

1ord:

How is that a point ? You just state the obvious like there is no solid definition or sense of thought behind your arguments and points.Just a play on words Please if you think i am like the others you have faced loooool your on a long thing fam a very long one. How does his error invalidate his point.No please educate me i will not respond again if you don't at least make an effort.

I was only making a grammatical point to cold. Now answer my questions if you can.

OLAADEGBU:

Sex with minors is acceptable in Islam because their prophet and the holy book allows for it but there is no provision for this in Christianity. What gives you the impression that your moral code is better than the Muslims'? Who is to say what the moral code should be? You keep on lumping science with ideologies, I doubt whether you understand what real science is all about and this shows another form of the atheist's inconsistencies.

My question is what is the atheist's moral grounding?

This question has been answered so many time.The atheist moral grounding is the law and logic science what will further humanity and ethics

OLAADEGBU:

You are not making any sense at all. Chemical reactions cannot produce altruism in humans. Let me give you another case of behavioral inconsistencies in atheists. Consider an atheist who is outraged at seeing a violent murder on the 10 o'clock news. He becomes very upset and hopes that the murderer will be punished for his crime. But in his theoretical ideology, he should have no reason to be angry because in his atheistic, evolutionary universe where people are just animals, murder is no different than a tiger killing a goat. Will you even wish that the tiger gets punished for killing a goat? You say it's just chemical reactions, why wouldn't you get upset at baking soda for reacting with vinegar, is that not what chemicals do?

For a species to survive it must struggle to pass on its genes and protect those genes similar to it i.e other humans, this instinct exist in every animal. Thats why baboons don't gnaw at each others throat. Its a sorta pack mentality.Even hens get very aggressive when their chicks are attacked. Yes it is science.science. Pls don't make silly claims you know nothing about this is the 21st century every one should know this pls educate yourself.It is an instinct nd humans like other animals have them.

OLAADEGBU:

You are confusing issues again. Natural selection and mutation are not evolution you should get your facts right. Carbon dating is scientific but it depends on how you interpret the evidence. Your worldview will determine how you interpret the evidence. If you are looking at the evidence with your atheistic worldview then you will arrive at billion of years. If evolution is a fact as you have claimed why then is it not a scientific law?

I dont understand this how does my world view affect or distort the the fact that dating using radioactive isotopes reveals the earth is far more than a billion years old . What is all this smeloos you are spouting here . So if i was a christian who was aware of science pls how would i interprete this fact.You are just typing out of lack of what to say.Give a sound basis of argument.Include the reasons Try again.And the bible says so is not a reason.Cause i could also use my own imaginary story book to invalidate your points.Natural selection artificial selection is one of the various processes that lead up to evolution .Characteristics needed to survive are breeded out of the individuals by death of other individuals without these characteristics. Stop playing scientist brahh.Mutation is also a step in the chain of evolution. So you think evolution is just what it is Evolution. Pls stick to your scriptures you will embarrass yourself

OLAADEGBU:
Epic fail again. Elisha did not send bears and the bears did not kill those children. Get your facts right. It is also a fallacy as to how you arrived at the age of the universe. Since you have chosen to commit treason against your Creator by using an alternative model on the origin of the universe in place of the creation account as recorded in the book of Genesis, you should know the truth that God is angry at you for your wickedness.

Lol elisha cursed the children your deity still sent the bears regardless to eat the children who knew nothing about what they did.Do you study the scripture though?If you had a sibling and God killed him would you still worship such deity.You see i have studied the bible inside out there are a lot of inconsistencies to this gods judgement david kills a man to sleep with the wife god lets the child get born and kills the child to punish david dafuq.!!And religious bigots have the nerve to complain about abortion. kuro loju mi jare. The way genesis is written like someone actually witnessed god create the universe dafuq?!!! the book of genesis shouldnt exist as it constitutes another fallacyto this your illogcal myth.If a sentient beeign can easily create light or energy by speach he should also simply say let all be perfect and end the suffering in this world. He is doing a very poor job or is wicked or doesn't exist

OLAADEGBU
C.S. Lewis put it this way: if a man sees another in danger, the first instinct is to rush to help (altruism). But a second voice intervenes and says, “No, don’t endanger yourself,” which is in keeping with self-preservation. But then a third voice comes into play and says, “No, you ought to help.” Where does that third voice come from, asks Lewis? This is what is referred to as the “ought-ness” of life. Morality is what people do, but ethics describe what people ought to do. And yes, people know what they ought to do, but that doesn’t mean that they always act according to that knowledge.

Lol
If you don't fear anything in life, i beg you in the name of all that is good to PLEASE fear the bolded in any religious person you come across!

That "ought-ness" has led to the death of over a hundred million native Americans, millions of jews in the dark ages, and several pagan communities all over Europe (directly or indirectly)!

My 2kobo !

OLAADEGBU:

I was only making a grammatical point to cold. Now answer my questions if you can.

That is the problem all the crimes commited against humanity have been done in the name of a deity.Every mass genocide is in the name of a f..u.ck.ing deity that does not exist. While will i want to be a f***bloody sheepie.Must a 2000 year old book tell you what is moral. And as of the time of the begining the judeo christian myth little girls were been married off at the then supposed child birth age of 13. Safety was nonexistent as a bunch of hebrew wild dogs or cra.z.y mohammed followers can just attack your city kill the women children cattle salt the land because a sky daddy said it is their promised land. loool please you make this very easy the only way for you to win this argument is to bring up an illogical point like The bible says, or something not worth my time. From the direction this is ging you are getting there . Again i have debunked your points and told you why when responding please do the same. I have to read twice to get something tangible from your replies to work with its not fair

davidhume1:

Lol
If you don't fear anything in life, i beg you in the name of all that is good to PLEASE fear the bolded in any religious person you come across!

That "ought-ness" has led to the death of over a hundred million native Americans, millions of jews in the dark ages, and several pagan communities all over Europe (directly or indirectly)!

My 2kobo !

Hitlers mentality: we ought wipe out the jews they are evil Yh hitler was a christian Added a picture of him shaking hands with the pope tho i am warning you just forget this thread you have met your match.

davidhume1:

Lol
If you don't fear anything in life, i beg you in the name of all that is good to PLEASE fear the bolded in any religious person you come across!

That "ought-ness" has led to the death of over a hundred million native Americans, millions of jews in the dark ages, and several pagan communities all over Europe (directly or indirectly)!

My 2kobo !

That 3rd voice of 'Oughtness' is more prone to saying, "Don't help him, his a muslim/pagan/jew and he ought to die". More times than not people have overridden their God given natural altruistic instincts and opted to obey the Nasty Evil voice of Oughtness.

What about the 3rd voice of Oughtness that says, "Listen to the first voice of Altruism because that was given to you to guide you in Love for your neighbours."

PastorAIO:

That 3rd voice of 'Oughtness' is more prone to saying, "Don't help him, his a muslim/pagan/jew and he ought to die". More times than not people have overridden their God given natural altruistic instincts and opted to obey the Nasty Evil voice of Oughtness.

What about the 3rd voice of Oughtness that says, "Listen to the first voice of Altruism because that was given to you to guide you in Love for your neighbours."

I'll take EMPATHY over OUGHTNESS anytime!

OLAADEGBU:

Sex with minors is acceptable in Islam because their prophet and the holy book allows for it but there is no provision for this in Christianity. What gives you the impression that your moral code is better than the Muslims'? Who is to say what the moral code should be? You keep on lumping science with ideologies, I doubt whether you understand what real science is all about and this shows another form of the atheist's inconsistencies.

My question is what is the atheist's moral grounding?

Sorry you are absolutely wrong i do understand what science is about.What i am against is letting religion guide morality and politics instead of science and legislature. Because religions are inconsistent it causes wars and conflict.Logic science and the law should guide morality as it is more universal.I am not lumping science with ideologies but explaining how science supports the increase in the age of consent as this is a more logical decision. An illogical decision would be saying the sons of abraham or mohamed did it so it is not sin , it is not wrong and hence we continue with our old ways because out concept of morality is based on a myth.

PastorAIO:

That 3rd voice of 'Oughtness' is more prone to saying, "Don't help him, his a muslim/pagan/jew and he ought to die". More times than not people have overridden their God given natural altruistic instincts and opted to obey the Nasty Evil voice of Oughtness.

What about the 3rd voice of Oughtness that says, "Listen to the first voice of Altruism because that was given to you to guide you in Love for your neighbours."

Sorry sir but altruism is not the voice of god it is an instinct we have discussed this before. Read up the science of ethology and the works of neuro biologists Jorge Moll and Jordan Grafman on altruism.

1ord: Sorry sir but altruism is not the voice of god it is an instinct we have discussed this before. Read up the science of ethology and the works of neuro biologists Jorge Moll and Jordan Grafman on altruism.

I never said it was the voice of God. I said it was god-given. I repeat, what about the voice of God that says, 'listen to your god-given altruism'?

Could you answer that please?

PastorAIO:

I never said it was the voice of God. I said it was god-given. I repeat, what about the voice of God that says, 'listen to your god-given altruism'?

Could you answer that please?

See no matter how you try to twist or interprete your own statements even if it suits your own prerogative you will end up loosing this argument. Because i have facts and research from countless sources whilst you just have opinion. It is a one sided battle i wish to sit out because you have decided not to look at any ones perspective but yours. I am willing to look at yours whilst your not willing to look at the hard core proof and evidence i am willing to provide. You are not willing to answer accusations i can make against leaders of your faith and the faith itself. You are willing to turn a blind eye against whatever i say. It is a preconceived idea in your mind that i am evil and that some mysterious angel of darkness has sent me to let you astray. If you are willing to look up facts unbiased answer questions and accusations i will make against the christian faith its dogmatic believes and listen to logic i will reply if not i rather do something else than engage in nonconstructive arguments . "You can't wake up a man that pretends to sleep"

1ord: See no matter how you try to twist or interprete your own statements even if it suits your own prerogative you will end up loosing this argument. Because i have facts and research from countless sources whilst you just have opinion. It is a one sided battle i wish to sit out because you have decided not to look at any ones perspective but yours. I am willing to look at yours whilst your not willing to look at the hard core proof and evidence i am willing to provide. You are not willing to answer accusations i can make against leaders of your faith and the faith itself. You are willing to turn a blind eye against whatever i say. It is a preconceived idea in your mind that i am evil and that some mysterious angel of darkness has sent me to let you astray. If you are willing to look up facts unbiased answer questions and accusations i will make against the christian faith its dogmatic believes and listen to logic i will reply if not i rather do something else than engage in nonconstructive arguments . "You can't wake up a man that pretends to sleep"

Is this madness?

See no matter how you try to twist or interprete your own statements even if it suits your own prerogative you will end up loosing this argument.

I haven't twisted anything. I just reiterated what I said previously. If you ever heard me say anything different please present the quote.

Because i have facts and research from countless sources whilst you just have opinion.

Good for you. Now rather than just boast and beat your chest how about you actually make an attempt at presenting an argument.

It is a one sided battle i wish to sit out because you have decided not to look at any ones perspective but yours. I am willing to look at yours whilst your not willing to look at the hard core proof and evidence i am willing to provide.

Yeparipa, come and see Were. All because I said we have God-given altruism and you responded that Altruism is not the voice of God and then I agreed with you that it wasn't the voice of God. It has now turned into a one sided battle where you have hard core proof. Proof of what exactly I don't know.... Proof that I said altruism was God's voice? Menhhhh, as you are 'willing to provide' I cannot deny that I'm very very keen to see this evidence because that will make you a magician and a miracle worker and I Will become your foremost disciple.

You are not willing to answer accusations i can make against leaders of your faith and the faith itself.

It just keeps getting funnier and funnier. Where you burst out from wey you still get rope for neck? sebi you will first make accusation before you know if I'm willing to answer. But first you must demonstrate it's relevance to the thread.

You are willing to turn a blind eye against whatever i say. It is a preconceived idea in your mind that i am evil and that some mysterious angel of darkness has sent me to let you astray.

You really are a delightful chap. I shouldn't laugh, I know, after all you are somebody's child, but I can't help it. I don't think you are evil or any of the other things that you think that I think of you. However since reading this your latest post I do think you have hallucinations and delusions.

If you are willing to look up facts unbiased answer questions and accusations i will make against the christian faith its dogmatic believes and listen to logic i will reply if not i rather do something else than engage in nonconstructive arguments . "You can't wake up a man that pretends to sleep"

What has any of this got to do with the Moral Grounding of Atheists? Abeg my friend, Face your problem where your problem is doing you.

PastorAIO:

Is this madness?



I haven't twisted anything. I just reiterated what I said previously. If you ever heard me say anything different please present the quote.


Good for you. Now rather than just boast and beat your chest how about you actually make an attempt at presenting an argument.

Yeparipa, come and see Were. All because I said we have God-given altruism and you responded that Altruism is not the voice of God and then I agreed with you that it wasn't the voice of God. It has now turned into a one sided battle where you have hard core proof. Proof of what exactly I don't know.... Proof that I said altruism was God's voice? Menhhhh, as you are 'willing to provide' I cannot deny that I'm very very keen to see this evidence because that will make you a magician and a miracle worker and I Will become your foremost disciple.


It just keeps getting funnier and funnier. Where you burst out from wey you still get rope for neck? sebi you will first make accusation before you know if I'm willing to answer. But first you must demonstrate it's relevance to the thread.


You really are a delightful chap. I shouldn't laugh, I know, after all you are somebody's child, but I can't help it. I don't think you are evil or any of the other things that you think that I think of you. However since reading this your latest post I do think you have hallucinations and delusions.


What has any of this got to do with the Moral Grounding of Atheists? Abeg my friend, Face your problem where your problem is doing you.

You know it is within my capacity to silence you forcing you to writhe into the hole from whence you came. However since you seem to lack basic etiquette's whatsoever and i dare not reduce myself to your mentally defunct capacity,given, you have the right to be st.upi.d .I am at a place where s.tu.pidity doesn't phase me as i know some way your type will serve in furthering my agenda one day. Like i said i don't boast and can silence you. I can prove factually that it is not god given but i have decided to sit out this fight because you have just revealed how classless your vermin kind is. Furthermore the burden of proof lies with you as you made the very absurd claim. I can say obatala gave us alturism and base my reason on a some night time story book i pulled outta my a.ss.Furthermore, this whole moral grounding crap has been debunked over and over again, hence it seems that the religious ones are willing to be stupid. I say why not let them be? If you sincerely have a question and need an answer ask. Those who seek knowledge will be rewarded little one.Furthermore where did you infer i had any problem whatsoever i seem to be do better than you on a mental or psychological level. One needs just read through the comments to determine the quality of education and my family background . You my friend should stick to the pig styles you reside in. It is clear from earlier comments i tried to treat you like a human being but now i see you are nothing but vermin. Furthermore i have revealed how morality has led to crimes against humanity and how morality and it's i am righteous than thou stand is nonsense as it is fallacy that only resides in the shallow brain washed minds of religious folks. I you have the time review earlier discussions on this thread and my replies if your question on morality is not answered then pls ask there is enough knowledge in me for 20 generations of your kind. Pls pull out your dictionary when reading this your bible wont help you here pastor.