italo:

If you serve him in spirit and truth, why do you have millions of contradictory doctrines?

Do the spirit and truth contradict themselves?

Or do you serve millions of spirits and truths?

Also...you didn't show the church. You just said "we bla bla..."

If one wants to write to the church as Paul did, to whom do we address the letter? You and your family?

Anomnity: The catholic church has never been an will never be the first church or th mother church.We pentecostals should stop accepting this blatant catholic lie.

The first church & mother church were the ones establishes by the disciples and the apostles of christ when they gathered in the upper room to pray before pentecost.It had no catholic priest or doctrine in it.They did not worship or regard mary cos though she was there,she was insignificant among them.She wasn't even among the leaders.She obeys & takes orders from the leaders(apostles) & not the other way round.

They continued in prayer & on the PENTECOST was baptised in the holy Ghost.IT WAS A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH & NEVER CATHOLIC.Paul the apostle thereafter raised several other churches during his missionary journey & they were all PENTECOSTAL & NEVER CATHOLIC.

There was no single catholic priest or doctrines there.Rather there were pastors & evangelists & prophets who were filled with the holy ghost.So stop this catholic lies.

adsonstone: The Church is and has always been the assembly of Christians not some organisation or building.
..and the Church is Catholic (in its true meaning as St. Ignatius described it)- universal.

italo:

1. You're flat wrong! The church, the assembly of Christians has always being an organization. That is why it had a heirachy, a council, apostolic succession by laying of hands etc.

2. Good to know you accept st. Ignatius' definition of the church. Let us now read more from that holy man:

italo:

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Chapter 9. Honour the bishop

Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Let all things, then, abound to you through grace, for you are worthy. You have refreshed me in all things, and Jesus Christ [shall refresh] you. You have loved me when absent as well as when present. May God recompense you, for whose sake, while you endure all things, you shall attain unto Him.

Now tell me, which church is consistent with that writing... the catholic church or your deeper life organization?

Be honest.

adsonstone:

'Some organization or building' in the context of my statement may refer to 'denominations,' if that would aid comprehension.


There's no denomination in the universal Church, the assembly of Christians, and the Church is not a denomination.




The catholic church, in its true meaning--universal. Deeper life is not outside the catholic church.

Anomnity: The catholic church has never been an will never be the first church or th mother church.We pentecostals should stop accepting this blatant catholic lie.

The first church & mother church were the ones establishes by the disciples and the apostles of christ when they gathered in the upper room to pray before pentecost.It had no catholic priest or doctrine in it.They did not worship or regard mary cos though she was there,she was insignificant among them.She wasn't even among the leaders.She obeys & takes orders from the leaders(apostles) & not the other way round.

They continued in prayer & on the PENTECOST was baptised in the holy Ghost.IT WAS A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH & NEVER CATHOLIC.Paul the apostle thereafter raised several other churches during his missionary journey & they were all PENTECOSTAL & NEVER CATHOLIC.

There was no single catholic priest or doctrines there.Rather there were pastors & evangelists & prophets who were filled with the holy ghost.So stop this catholic lies.

ProphetUdeme: but bro we didnt say u should come and advertise ur church here... Catholic being the first church and mother church admitted some satanic men during 430 A.D and the men formed the council of ephesus and thats how catholic fell from the grace and the babylonian idolatry of mary emanated by which u and ur colleagues are baptised into......

Op the true church is the heart... U are a church, i am a church and if we live according to the will of God and fellowship together we will be a true church and Jesus will come and rapture us..

italo:

Good. So we agree that the Christian Church has always been an organization with a physical hierarchy. Right?

Now tell us...who in that organization assigned Kumuyi to man his current post and when and where did this happen?

Secondly, you seem to say that deeper life is part of the Catholic Church that St. Ignatius and I belong to.

italo:
Are you saying deeper life has the characteristics mentioned in the letter of St. Ignatius?

That would be a plain lie. No?

italo:

Good. So we agree that the Christian Church has always been an organization with a physical hierarchy. Right?

Now tell us...who in that organization assigned Kumuyi to man his current post and when and where did this happen?

Secondly, you seem to say that deeper life is part of the Catholic Church that St. Ignatius and I belong to.

italo:
Are you saying deeper life has the characteristics mentioned in the letter of St. Ignatius?

That would be a plain lie. No?

adsonstone:

Who assigned Kumuyi?
The same person that appointed Paul to office.

adsonstone:

Who assigned Kumuyi?
The same person that appointed Paul to office.

adsonstone:

Who assigned Kumuyi?
The same person that appointed Paul to office.




No.
That's not a lie.

Ubenedictus:

this is interesting, so Jesus called Kumuyi and asked him to form another denomination that teaches and practices different and contradictory doctrines from others?




Just for curiousity, who commissioned/ordained/lay hands on Kumuyi to the ministry?

Rich4god:
lol... Keep shooting yourself in the leg. When
Paul was called, his teaching was inline with
what the apostles taught, when the apostle
asigned others, their teaching were still inline
uptil the reformation happened. How come
when Kumuyi was assigned, his own teaching
was different from the main body of Christ...
Even from the church he broje out from, his
teaching was different. So are all other
protestants that claim to be called... Or is God
the one assign different doctrine into
christianity...

adsonstone:




What is taught is perfectly in line with what Christ and the Apostles taught.

Unless you want to prove otherwise.

adsonstone:




What is taught is perfectly in line with what Christ and the Apostles taught.

Unless you want to prove otherwise.

Ubenedictus: you didn't even answers my question.
Who commissioned him?
Did God send him to create a church that will contradict others? Is God confused?

adsonstone:


The same that commissioned the Apostle Paul.

....and you haven't still shown how his teachings contradict what Christ and the Apostles taught.

JMAN05: Have you guys forgotten that members of the catholic church have contradictory doctrines? Do all catholic scholars agree with the teaching of the catholic church, and yet are they not viewed as catholics by the church?

Dont catholic have groups with differing theology?

I wonder how you guys prey on prostestants, while you have the same problem.

btoks: The Catholic Church's doctrines and dogmas are defined and not contradictory. the catechism lays these out simply.yes, there are some members who may pick and choose what to believe but this doesn't change the church's teaching. in fact every catholic has to say the profession of faith (Apostolic or Nicene Creed) during mass to attest to all the church teaches.also you have to examine your conscience every time a catholic goes to receive the eucharist. Catholics do not prey on protestants, it's usually the other way round as made obvious by the word 'protest'

BreezyRita: There's nothing like the true church.... I love this song - I need you to survive.
We're part of God's body. So it doesn't matter ur doctrines, denominations etc. All that's important is to be Christ like...... People in churches that claim they're the best still manage to go amiss. If you're taught the word of God with nothing being added or subtracted, no favorable teachings, then I advice u stick to it.
Above all, the leading of the Holy Spirit is best, word study and meditation....... 2 Tim 2:15

JMAN05:

It is true that not all may agree with a church teachings. but that's not where I was heading to. There are sects in Catholic just as there are sects in Protestantism. Their are Eastern Orthodox Catholics, Old Catholics, Liberal Catholics, Polish National Catholics etc.

I personally see all the catholics and protestants as one. Why? Since you interfaith with a particular religion, sect, denonination, you are part of it. Catholics interfaith. that is a seal of approval.

Catholic is a part of CAN for example, at least for some time (though they withdraw temporarily, this not being cos interfaith miffs them).

Someone may say this is not a point, but it is. If a way leads to death, you wouldn't have fellowship with them. That doesn't mean you hate its members, but you have no fellowship with them religiously. 2Cor. 6:14-16.

What difference does it make when you point out the different theological interpretations in Protestantism when you still think interfaith with them isn't bad?

After all, among protestants, they have different churches with different General Overseers/Heads and different headquarters with its individual independents. They are Protestants does not mean they have one General Overseer. No. There teachings do not issue from one headquarter also.

You cant come together to form a body or interfaith with someone you know his teachings are heresy, yet you still view him as false. thats hypocrisy.

Imagine you excommunicated someone who teach heresy, and you still think is fine to interfaith with him. Does it make sense bro? Dont you think you will share in there punishment if you interfaith wth them? Read Rev 18:4.

I do group protestants together with Catholics cos there is no reason to believe they are different. If they are serious, let them separate entirely, no interfaith. if not, they ll share with the plague of the other. Rev 18:4.

adsonstone:


The same that commissioned the Apostle Paul.

....and you haven't still shown how his teachings contradict what Christ and the Apostles taught.

exxell: All of you arguing here are just so wrong. Have you people ever wondered.... Why am I a catholic, Why am I a pentecostal, why am I a muslim, Why am I an Atheist? What you people dont know is that virtually all of you attend your religions because thats the one you were born into and by implication, the one God chose you to be in. We were not given opportunities to choose before you were born. Italo, I can see that you are a staunch Catholic. Let me ask you a question. What if God created you a Muslim? Do you know that you might have been radicalized by now and be flexing bombs in the North? You are a Catholic by virtue of providence and by virtue of birth and not the one you chose to be in. You will be judged by the catholic standards set forth by the church and A deeper life member born into deeper life will be judged by their doctrines. Same goes for all the protestants making pointless arguments here. They all will be judged by their standards which God will deem just or not. One thing you people dont know is that nobody knows the true nature of God. To buttress my point; we Christians usually see God as an all knowing God. If God is really all knowing, why would he create a Hitler that nearly destroyed the world? Some would argue that Hitler was exercising his freedom because God did not create robots. The next question will be, did God not know that Hitler will exercise his freedom and cause world war 2? Or did God know and still went ahead to create him thereby making Hitler part of his plans? Again, Muslims are attacking Christians everyday. Why is God still creating new Muslims everyday knowing fully well that they will be radicalized eventually and attack more "Children Of God"? What you guys dont know is that we keep on making arguements about what we dont understand and will never understand. Personally for now, the God I know is neither good nor bad... Or put more succintly; I dont know his true nature yet. Psalm 115:3 says;
"Our God is in the heavens and he has power to do whatever he wills". I am a Christian now because thats the one I was created in and the one God wants me to be in and not the one I chose! Each time I teach people and argue, I argue based on faith and not based on indoctrinating those people. Am not dogmatic. Pastors are in the villages destroying shrines in the name of Jesus while Boko Haram are destroying churches in the name of God... You see the link? My point is this, instead of focusing only on religion why not focus on humanity too and make it a better a place to dwell in ? Rather, we all are here arguing on which church is the first or not. Ok oo.