Tayo Onaleye ARE RESIDENT DOCTORS REALLY BEING
SPONSORED BY GOVT? Some people have questioned the rationale of
state and federal governments paying salaries to
resident doctors. They claim that other graduates
pay to get post-graduate training while doctors
are paid to do same. Please take a closer look. For a typical Nigerian graduate to get post-
graduate education, she pays for a form
obtained from the institution of interest and
pays annual school fees. SHE DOESN'T WORK FOR THAT INSTITUTION. A resident doctor is very different. SHE WORKS DAY AND NIGHT FOR THE INSTITUTION
TRAINING HER! Resident doctors contribute a large chunk to the
results generated by the training institutions. So the salary a resident doctor gets is not a
bonanza neither is it "Father Christmas" gift. It is EARNED in exchange for contributing VALUE. Government training of residents is a win-win
situation. The resident takes care of Government's patient
and simultaneously advances his career. As a matter of fact, any form of training done on
government platform must never be seen as a
favour from government to the trainee. IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY! Residency training is a form of human capital
development and is a chief responsibility of
government over and above building roads and
bridges. No sane society will neglect, abort or even
suspend the training of highly skilled
professionals like specialists-in-training doctors
(residents).

chucs: And just look at someone who called himself an adult. Grow up child and get a life cuz it sucks to be you..People like you are the problems we have in this country...I don't have the time to trade words with traitor like you.

U are the one trading words with yasef. Ignorance is a disease.

drnoel:
U are the one trading words with yasef. Ignorance is a disease.

.

datribune: Good call Mr president, u got dis one right. Most nigerian doctors regard medicine as business. How many of d clinics where they carry out their private practice ar well equipped?. How come dat western doctors who were trained under d best of conditions wit d most sophisticated equipments leave d comfort of Europe to come & work in rural Africa under dis same conditions dat dis poorly trained nigerian doctors feel is beneath them. Medicine is a calling. Boot dem out so they can go get better paying jobs. Just like u, we ar fed up wit dis perpetual strike nonsense.

So because 3 or so American Doctors decided to come work in Africa, that now means that the all Foreign Doctors are selfless? Or don't you think that there's also 3 or so Nigerian Doctors who left the comfort of urban areas to go work in rural areas. Try to u visit some foreign medical schools online forums/ hospitals online forums and see what they write there... a lot of your so called "passionate" foreign doctors go into medicine for the money. in those countries, u get paid well, u do the work to the best of your ability.
. And drop that idea of Medicine being a calling. In this age, It is a job. It maybe a calling for just a very small percentage of Doctors but to the majority, it's a paycheck. I'm not talking about Nigeria but I mean all over the world. Go to doctors online forums and read their comments then you will realise medicine is just a job to many Doctors. Those other countries have a system of checks and balances that ensures you work well when you get paid.

provenus:

no, we are our problem in this country. a friend of mine graduated from university after studying chemistry. we were trying our hands on job opportunities in our respective fields when her parents came up with the idea that she return to school and study medicine. i wont mention how much they spend yearly on "sorting" lecturers to ensure she dosent drop out. lol, in d end my friend will graduate and start wondering where all the money is to be made and start spitting venom on the govt.

LOL,,, What people don't know is that govt. work only makes one stable in life. If u want to be mega rich, business is the key or big company job...Had she used those money to get masters degree in chemistry and possibly PHD, her case would have been different now.

16,000 or 24,000 medical professionals can never be attending to the medical well-being of over 200 million Nigerians, that is what i am saying. it does not take a genius to study medicine and we do not have enough medical doctors.
the government should build more medical schools to enable the training of more doctors in Nigeria.
people who study medicine in Nigeria are the ones whose parents could afford the N500,000 per annum school fees and not our very best.
the government in Nigeria should create more medical schools so that more doctors would graduate to avoid a situation where a privileged few would be telling us that the next president of the country must be a medical doctor before they go to work.
there are many first class and second class upper graduates in the medical science departments in our universities who would be aspiring to be doctors and would do better than some of these doctors if allowed, so the government should train more doctors. Chikena

thegeneral84:
So because 3 or so American Doctors decided to come work in Africa, that now means that the all Foreign Doctors are selfless? Or don't you think that there's also 3 or so Nigerian Doctors who left the comfort of urban areas to go work in rural areas. Try to u visit some foreign medical schools online forums/ hospitals online forums and see what they write there... a lot of your so called "passionate" foreign doctors go into medicine for the money. in those countries, u get paid well, u do the work to the best of your ability.
When Nigerians reason as you do, I have to say that Nigerians deserve everything that happen to them. And drop that idea of Medicine is a calling. It is a job. It maybe a calling for just about a very small percentage of Doctors but to the majority, it's a paycheck. I'm not talking about Nigeria but I mean all over the world. Go to doctors online forums and read their comments then you will realise medicine is just a job to many Doctors. Those other countries have a system of checks and balances that ensures you work well when you get paid.

If u like go on strike till eternity, this time around ur luck has run out & u hav been sacked. U hav exposed ur geedy, selfish underbellies & no amount of extortionist strike will make nigerians allow u to continue wit d plunder. For too long because u ar an essential govt service, u hav used ur conscienceless, selfish, murderous strikes to hold d nation by d throat & extort lopsided, bogus & humongous deals out of dis hapless country. If u ar dissatisfied wit ur salary go set up a business & stop disturbing d nation by trying to use govt service to satisfy ur insatiable & rapacious greed. Did u say 3 or so American doctors working in africa? d level of dishonesty in your post is amazing. Wit ur mentality & money-mongering mindset u might like to consider selling at ariaria market than tending to d sick at general hospital.

chucs: .

Good

afrodoc:



i tell you u need to join ali baba or okey bakassi, u sure are a stand up comedian.
I am in the diaspora and i showed your comment to other Nigerian doctors and they were laughing so hard some passed out LOL.
Come back to do what? We left years ago when people were saying if we didn't want to work in Nigeria we had no right to strike that we should go abroad, now you think we will come back when y'all just finished sacking your doctors? LMAO

When the advert come out you will stop laughing immediately

jdilight:

When the advert come out you will stop laughing immediately

No, we would only laugh more. Nigerian doctors will not leave better pay,better equipment and training and a higher standard of living abroad to come back to apply for any job advertized in Nigeria. Stop deceiving yourself, you are not making any sense.

afrodoc:



i tell you u need to join ali baba or okey bakassi, u sure are a stand up comedian.
I am in the diaspora and i showed your comment to other Nigerian doctors and they were laughing so hard some passed out LOL.
Come back to do what? We left years ago when people were saying if we didn't want to work in Nigeria we had no right to strike that we should go abroad, now you think we will come back when y'all just finished sacking your doctors? LMAO

Nooo, we need you to come and perform surgeries with lantern, attend to patients whatever the risk with torchlights, treat ebola patients without protection, cram all that is written in British National Formulary cos when you check doses and drug interactions using internet, it shows us you don't know anything. We want you to bear all insults and aggressions from other health workers with smiles because it's what you swore to do and you have to so we'll continue to see you as noble. It does not matter whether your prescriptions are altered without clarification or you are prevented from checking status of your operation sites after surgeries because, unlike in the past when you bullied all your 'team' members, a miracle of sort has happened and they have evolved 'erikally'. It is 'international best practices'. Pls, don't mention relativity in pay. It is greed to insist it has to be observed when other workers' emoluments are raised such that they are at par with yours. Beisides, whoever knows the 'way' is smartest? It's an area your association would need lessons for from JOHESU. Strike Don't even think it however unhappy at shabby treatment you may be! That would be suicidal as it could draw the ire of our emperor with attendant 'immediate sack'. Why should you be treated differently? We don't want to know what forms the basis of international social classification cos to us, you are not more important than a cobbler. Please, we are begging you, we've sent our honorable minister to you in different fora and we are would love to welcome you back 'home' to your root. That much you 'owe' us cos we 'subsidsed' your undergraduate training. We sacked these ones here because they don't see it as a 'calling' but money making venture. That am sure would be a mentality alien to your likes honed abroad. Who says Nigeria cannot set the pace for the rest of the world?

afrodoc:

No, we would only laugh more. Nigerian doctors will not leave better pay,better equipment and training and a higher standard of living abroad to come back to apply for any job advertized in Nigeria. Stop deceiving yourself, you are not making any sense.

What is even special about any advert? Funny lot. Do people get employed without adverts in most cases? When the so-called sacked resident docs took those positions, they were advertised. So? I don't even know the point there. Govt is saying no more training but have not said they would not give them job! If making money is the main thing for the docs, it maked no difference now bt this is not obvious to the phd syndrome sufferers. And whatever, the masses will be worse for it.

datribune:




U ar guilty of what people accuse GEJ of doing - blaming d opposition. It's amazing dat u don't seem to know dat as it stands in today's nigeria, d integrity of d nigerian doctor is at its lowest ebb. I'm not sure i've ever supported GEJ on dis forum, but I'm absolutely wit him on dis one. Foi, d street chemist has bcom more relevant & does more 4 d average nigerian than d overhyped, arrogant, always-on-strike, poorly trained nigerian doctor who wit his archaic, 2nd rate training is not better than a glorified first aider wit an overblown sense of self-importance. These chemists along wit d alternative healers hav always stood by & taken care of d nigerian people when dis greedy guys go on their conscienceless, murderous, never-ending strikes.

Your comment alone have exposed how shallow and narrow your understanding of the subject is, hence no need arguing with you. We are talking about ramifications on total health care, you are talking about chemist, are you serious?

Cityguy:
Nooo, we need you to come and perform surgeries with lantern, attend to patients whatever the risk with torchlights, treat ebola patients without protection, cram all that is written in British National Formulary cos when you check doses and drug interactions using internet, it shows us you don't know anything. We want you to bear all insults and aggressions from other health workers with smiles because it's what you swore to do and you have to so we'll continue to see you as noble. It does not matter whether your prescriptions are altered without clarification or you are prevented from checking status of your operation sites after surgeries because, unlike in the past when you bullied all your 'team' members, a miracle of sort has happened and they have evolved 'erikally'. It is 'international best practices'. Pls, don't mention relativity in pay. It is greed to insist it has to be observed when other workers' emoluments are raised such that they are at par with yours. Beisides, whoever knows the 'way' is smartest? It's an area your association would need lessons for from JOHESU. Strike Don't even think it however unhappy at shabby treatment you may be! That would be suicidal as it could draw the ire of our emperor with attendant 'immediate sack'. Why should you be treated differently? We don't want to know what forms the basis of international social classification cos to us, you are not more important than a cobbler. Please, we are begging you, we've sent our honorable minister to you in different fora and we are would love to welcome you back 'home' to your root. That much you 'owe' us cos we 'subsidsed' your undergraduate training. We sacked these ones here because they don't see it as a 'calling' but money making venture. That am sure would be a mentality alien to your likes honed abroad. Who says Nigeria cannot set the pace for the rest of the world?

I thought I could be sarcastic but I have to hand it to you.

datribune:


If u like go on strike till eternity, this time around ur luck has run out & u hav been sacked. U hav exposed ur geedy, selfish underbellies & no amount of extortionist strike will make nigerians allow u to continue wit d plunder. For too long because u ar an essential govt service, u hav used ur conscienceless, selfish, murderous strikes to hold d nation by d throat & extort lopsided, bogus & humongous deals out of dis hapless country. If u ar dissatisfied wit ur salary go set up a business & stop disturbing d nation by trying to use govt service to satisfy ur insatiable & rapacious greed. Did u say 3 or so American doctors working in africa? d level of dishonesty in your post is amazing. Wit ur mentality & money-mongering mindset u might like to consider selling at ariaria market than tending to d sick at general hospital.

So I made a point and ur retort was to become insulting? You couldn't even make a sensible counter-argument. You had all the time to think of something constructive to write and all you were able to come up with were insults. I'm done with you.

thegeneral84:
So I made a point and ur retort was to become insulting? You couldn't even make a sensible counter-argument. You had all the time to think of something constructive to write and all you were able to come up with were insults. I'm done with you.

No insults. U made no points.truth hurts

dvee2:

Your comment alone have exposed how shallow and narrow your understanding of the subject is, hence no need arguing with you. We are talking about ramifications on total health care, you are talking about chemist, are you serious?

Little wonder that the integrity of the nigerian doctor is in shambles. This arrogant, poorly educated, unprofessional, quack doctor with archaic second rate training doesn`t even know when to use have and has in a sentence. lol, this glorified first aider is trying to put down those who have always taken care of the nigerian people whenever he and his colleagues go on their conscienceless, murderous strikes. How is it my fault that you lost your job?

katman9x:

You have heard of how more than half the ebola fatalities in other countries have been health care personel who were poorly protected. Now you wish for the same health care workers i.e the Doctors here to go back to work when your government is yet to provide standard protection gear talkless of sorting out the 24 point agenda. You dont understand how lucky you are that Doctors are on strike. If Lasuth had been working? Enough Matrons and nurses would have touched Patrick Sawyer. Talkless of House officers and medical students and resident doctors and Lab scientist etc who would have dealt with his blood and sample collection. Then those same people would have gone out to the rest of lagos to spread it. After all, Lasuth is just next to the airport............ I guess its a pity things didnt work out that way huh? I did take an oath to save lives and though that oath allows me to risk my life for others? It doesnt mean I must risk the lives of my loved one with inadequate protection and policies that dont work.

Ok, return your certificates back to the medical school you graduated from and tell them you no longer want to practice medicine. You can go to Dubai, (there is a ticket going for half-price) to buy bags and shoes to sell at Idumota market. Oya, what are you waiting for?

In public hospitals, the patients buy everything the doctors use to treat them, from surgical gloves to medication to catheters.

Am sure, if they requested that patients should buy more equipment they would gladly do it for the sake of their health. There is no test, surgical procedure or treatment that is free in Lagos State. Patients pay through the nose, even in public hospitals for everything they get! So what happens to all these funds generated within the hospital?

Instead of the doctors to ask medical directors in each health facility to give a detailed account of the revenue made from patients, they are going on strike again, for the umpteenth time! From October last year till now, doctors have gone on strike on several occasions. And they expect people to take them serious!

Yeye dey smell!

datribune:


What nonsense! Can u Imagine dis dude comparing dis greedy money mongers to foreign doctors?. Ur mentality & d mentality of d nigerian doctor is not d same as dat of western doctors. While u & d nigerian doctors see being a doctor as business, d foreign doctor sees it as a calling. This is why western doctors who were trained under d best of conditions wit d most sophisticated equipments leave d comfort of Europe to come & work in rural Africa under dis same conditions dat our poorly trained arrogant doctors feel is beneath them. Can u imagine what would happen if all govt essential service providers begin to make dis kind of shameful, selfish demands?. Ar d private clinics where they divert patients 4 their private practice well equipped?. These ones ar only in it 4 lucre. Their mentality is different frm d foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath.

You are a politician who does face facts. Can you compare their health environment and condition of service with those abroad? Look at yiu ppl Politicians are busy having field day

datribune:


What nonsense! Can u Imagine dis dude comparing dis greedy money mongers to foreign doctors?. Ur mentality & d mentality of d nigerian doctor is not d same as dat of western doctors. While u & d nigerian doctors see being a doctor as business, d foreign doctor sees it as a calling. This is why western doctors who were trained under d best of conditions wit d most sophisticated equipments leave d comfort of Europe to come & work in rural Africa under dis same conditions dat our poorly trained arrogant doctors feel is beneath them. Can u imagine what would happen if all govt essential service providers begin to make dis kind of shameful, selfish demands?. Ar d private clinics where they divert patients 4 their private practice well equipped?. These ones ar only in it 4 lucre. Their mentality is different frm d foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath.

You are a politician who does face facts. Can you compare their health environment and condition of service with those abroad? Look at yu ppl ,majority of glutton appetite politicians are busy having field day with our resource without channeling it to good healthcare or creating jobs or improving society. Yet you stay on war path with thee poor doctors who sacrificed all their lives to bcom meds for patriotism sake. You are misdirecting ur grievance . Govt is not meant to take advantage of doc's hypocritical oath, even if channel half of Nig budget to healthcare provn, we are better for it, because no govt official frequenting abroad for checkup or malaria treatment. Just call spade a spade and compare like with like using empirical data.

datribune:


What nonsense! Can u Imagine dis dude comparing dis greedy money mongers to foreign doctors?. Ur mentality & d mentality of d nigerian doctor is not d same as dat of western doctors. While u & d nigerian doctors see being a doctor as business, d foreign doctor sees it as a calling. This is why western doctors who were trained under d best of conditions wit d most sophisticated equipments leave d comfort of Europe to come & work in rural Africa under dis same conditions dat our poorly trained arrogant doctors feel is beneath them. Can u imagine what would happen if all govt essential service providers begin to make dis kind of shameful, selfish demands?. Ar d private clinics where they divert patients 4 their private practice well equipped?. These ones ar only in it 4 lucre. Their mentality is different frm d foreign doctors who ar growing limbs 4 d limbless & performing many medical wonders in line wit their calling & hippocratic oath.

Watch ur language, who is talking non sense. Are u listening to yourself?
You are a monopolist politician like d majority of them who do not seem to face facts. Can you compare our health care environment and condition of service with those abroad? Look at yu ppl, these politicians are busy having field day with our resource without channeling it to good tangible healthcare or creating valuable jobs for youths or improving society's living condtn. Yet you stay on war path with the poor doctors who sacrificed all their lives to bcom meds for patriotism sake. You are misdirecting ur grievance fellow because govt is not meant to take advantage of doc's hypocritical oath. Even if we channel half of d budget to healthcare provn,the sky wont fall and we wil be better for it. With this in place no govt official will frequent abroad for mere checkup or malaria treatment. Just call spade a spade and compare like with like using empirical data. Go find out from white docs without boarders they are heavily funded by W.H.O,UNESCO,UN,EU,etc and their native countries still provide for them, so dt they don't have to preoccupy their mind with financial or money problems, their welfare are taken care of to focus their mind to deliver d best of med science. stop this campaign of acrimony you are peddling against ppl of noble profession. Science is the toughest field of knowledge whic ppl fr this part of world don't value, and it is the bane of their underdevelopment.

infolekan: The good thing about all of this is that.....when the game is over, THE DOCTOR will still smile last.
The sack is a joke of course.
There's no hospital that is running, no Federal Hospital at least.
Let the simpleton keep beating the war drums and setting precedence.....it all goes around.
It's unlikely you'll find an unemployed Doctor anywhere in the country...he might be dissatisfied with his job but definitely not jobless.
Jonathan can be very stubborn and we all know that... the subsidy case, UNILAG to MAULAG is a case study.
The ASUU strike is still fresh. With all the posturing and all...he'll still bend backwards.
I'm sure the chorus then will be that the Doctors begged but the important thing is to look closely at the 24 point request and you'll be surprised that most of those requests will be granted. This sack is a diversion just to fool the uninformed.
THE END IS MORE IMPORTANT

I said this then.
The Govt will eventually bow. AND I wasn't wrong.