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Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by Realtouchnot: 6:06am On Aug 20, 2014
From antiquity, conflict has been an unavoidable part of human existence. However, the manner of attempts at its resolution determines wether a society survives or is teared apart.
The current move by FG to sack Resident Doctors in Nigeria is one of the most ill advised actions to be taken by GEJ's govt. The following reasons will buttress the point.

1) Resident doctors perform over 90% of all the works in any federal hospital, so it is almost impossible to do without them.

2) The Medical Officers(MO) to be employed cannot perform the work of residents. For example, most surgeries in the hospital are performed by these specialists in training. The MOs dont have the requisite skills to undertake such, except we have to build more morgues and cemeteries.

3) As expected, the NMA rejected the sack, ordered the consultants not to resume duty, and stated that the unconditional reinstatement of the residents will be the only basis for further negotiations on the ongoing strike. What then has the FG gained?

4) FG probably intended to threaten them to bow to her wishes. But of course, the Minister of Health, who is a Dr, should have known that by reason of their training, Drs will never blink an eye on such intimidation. A Dr, by the necessities and requirements of his training and work, is as bold as a lion(just like a military officer). Some Nigerians mistake this for arrogance anyway.

5) Within these few days, an average Nigerian Dr would've enquired what it would take to travel abroad. Boy, na greener pastures o! That internal sack memo, released by the ministry of health, has triggered a reaction for massive brain drain of Drs which may be worse than that witnessed during IBB's regime. A consultant recently advised me to "start thinking of travelling abroad, they've messed up medical practice in Nigeria". My guys don bigin dey jack for USMLE and PLAB.

PLEASE, YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE FOLLOWING...

1) There are less than 3000 consultants in Nigeria.

2) Over 4000 Nigerians are consultants in the UK. Really? You haven't seen anything yet.

3)25000 (twenty five thousand) and more Nigerians are consultants in the US. You can google it!

4) The ratio of one Dr to patients is 1/5000 in Nigeria. One of the poorest in the world.

5) Over 200 out of 1000 children born in Nigeria die before they are five years old

6) Though Nigeria accounts for less than 5% of world population, 13% of world's maternal motality(deaths related to pregnancy) occur in Nigeria. This is largely due to lack of skilled birth attendants.

In saner societies, the knowledge of the figures above, which are but only a few of the numerous poor indices bedeviling the health sector, should have constituted a national emergency. Our leaders dont give a damn, after all, even after leaving office they can always travel to Germany for medical trips. Even in resolving the strike, a more astute and tack method should have been adopted intead of this 17th century approach.

The truth still remains that the resident doctors will be recalled without any condition, except the govt decides to sell her hospitals which have been grounded for neally 2months. So, why cause unnecessary hoax which will drive many of your Drs away.

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by chuksbogus: 6:23am On Aug 20, 2014
We are tired of hearing this your So so number of Nigerian doctors working here and working there. Do you know the number of Nigerian Nurses in the UK and US even in T&T? for the fact that they will migrate is not the reason why they should be misbehaving . they can not hold a whole country in ransom threatening to migrate if disciplined.They should go afterall they have not been working for the past 2 months and we are still here

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by onatisi(m): 6:57am On Aug 20, 2014
chuksbogus: We are tired of hearing this your So so number of Nigerian doctors working here and working there. Do you know the number of Nigerian Nurses in the UK and US even in T&T? for the fact that they will migrate is not the reason why they should be misbehaving . they can not hold a whole country in ransom threatening to migrate if disciplined.They should go afterall they have not been working for the past 2 months and we are still here
god bless u

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by Nobody: 7:14am On Aug 20, 2014
chuksbogus: We are tired of hearing this your So so number of Nigerian doctors working here and working there. Do you know the number of Nigerian Nurses in the UK and US even in T&T? for the fact that they will migrate is not the reason why they should be misbehaving . they can not hold a whole country in ransom threatening to migrate if disciplined.They should go afterall they have not been working for the past 2 months and we are still here


In as much as I won't want to join issues with you on this subject matter, it is needfull to reiterate here that even though the drs have been away for over 6 weeks, you have not stopped consulting them in weird places like on the phone, in eateries and food joints or even in traffic hold-ups.

This Isreal-Gaza style altercation between the NMA on one side and a JOHESU-FG tag team on the other will only leave collateral damage within the innocent patients caught up in this imbroglio.

The govt. Should rethink and rescind its earlier directive to terminate the appointments of a group within the ranks of the NMA who have been maliciously singled out for vilification.

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by Nobody: 7:21am On Aug 20, 2014
matify:


In as much as I won't want to join issues with you on this subject matter, it is needfull to reiterate here that even though the drs have been away for over 6 weeks, you have not stopped consulting them in weird places like on the phone, in eateries and food joints or even in traffic hold-ups.

This Isreal-Gaza style altercation between the NMA on one side and a JOHESU-FG tag team on the other will only leave collateral damage within the innocent patients caught up in this imbroglio.

The govt. Should rethink and rescind its earlier directive to terminate the appointments of a group within the ranks of the NMA who have been maliciously singled out for vilification.


Old boy just shut up for chrissakes ....if doctors want to defect let them go who cares?

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by Realtouchnot: 12:24pm On Aug 20, 2014
chuksbogus: We are tired of hearing this your So so number of Nigerian doctors working here and working there. Do you know the number of Nigerian Nurses in the UK and US even in T&T? for the fact that they will migrate is not the reason why they should be misbehaving . they can not hold a whole country in ransom threatening to migrate if disciplined.They should go afterall they have not been working for the past 2 months and we are still here

So to "discipline" them, all a reasonable govt could to was to make a pronouncement which will NEVER stand but only add insult to injury. Your family had better got enough money for private hospital bill or for Indian hospitals, cos needing a doctor is an integral part of human need.

As for the Nigerian Nurses in UK and US, it is on record that almost all of them work in institutionalised homes- old peoples' homes and mad peoples' homes, and not in proper hospitals.

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by omicron(m): 12:26pm On Aug 20, 2014
Background

The large-scale emigration of physicians from sub-Saharan Africa (SSA) to high-income nations is a serious development concern. Our objective was to determine current emigration trends of SSA physicians found in the physician workforce of the United States.

Methods and Findings
We analyzed physician data from the World Health Organization (WHO) Global Health Workforce Statistics along with graduation and residency data from the 2011 American Medical Association Physician Masterfile (AMA-PM) on physicians trained or born in SSA countries who currently practice in the US.

We estimated emigration proportions, year of US entry, years of practice before emigration, and length of time in the US. According to the 2011 AMA-PM, 10,819 physicians were born or trained in 28 SSA countries.

Sixty-eight percent (n= 7,370) were SSA-trained, 20% (n= 2,126) were US-trained, and 12% (n= 1,323) were trained outside both SSA and the US. We estimated active physicians (age ≤70 years) to represent 96% (n= 10,377) of the total. Migration trends among SSA-trained physicians increased from 2002 to 2011 for all but one principal source country; the exception was South Africa whose physician migration to the US decreased by 8% (−156). The increase in last-decade migration was >50% in Nigeria (+1,113) and Ghana (+243), >100% in Ethiopia (+274), and >200% (+244) in Sudan. Liberia was the most affected by migration to the US with 77% (n= 175) of its estimated physicians in the 2011 AMA-PM. On average, SSA-trained physicians have been in the US for 18 years.

They practiced for 6.5 years before US entry, and nearly half emigrated during the implementation years (1984–1999) of the structural adjustment programs.

Conclusion

Physician emigration from SSA to the US is increasing for most SSA source countries. Unless far-reaching policies are implemented by the US and SSA countries, the current emigration trends will persist, and the US will remain a leading destination for SSA physicians emigrating from the continent of greatest need.
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by omicron(m): 12:37pm On Aug 20, 2014
What Do These Findings Mean?

Although the sub-Saharan African IMGs in the 2011 AMA-PM only represent about 1% of all the physicians and less than 5% of the IMGs in the AMA-PM, these findings reveal a major loss of physicians from sub-Saharan Africa. They also suggest that emigration of physicians from sub-Saharan Africa is a growing problem and is likely to continue unless job satisfaction for physicians is improved in their country of origin.

Moreover, because the AMA-PM only lists physicians who qualify for a US residency position, more physicians may have moved from sub-Saharan Africa to the US than reported here and may be working in other jobs incommensurate with their medical degrees (“brain waste”).

The researchers suggest that physician emigration from sub-Saharan Africa to the US reflects the complexities in the labor markets for health care professionals in both Africa and the US and can be seen as low- and middle-income nations subsidizing the education of physicians in high-income countries.


Policy proposals to address global inequities in physician distribution will therefore need both to encourage the recruitment, training, and retention of health care professionals in resource-limited countries and to persuade high-income countries to train more home-grown physicians to meet the needs of their own populations.
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by omicron(m): 12:55pm On Aug 20, 2014
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by itstpia1: 1:23pm On Aug 20, 2014
Before nko?

Isn't everybody migrating from nigeria?

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by chuksbogus: 1:37pm On Aug 20, 2014
Realtouchnot:
So to "discipline" them, all a reasonable govt could to was to make a pronouncement which will NEVER stand but only add insult to injury. Your family had better got enough money for private hospital bill or for Indian hospitals, cos needing a doctor is an integral part of human need.
As for the Nigerian Nurses in UK and US, it is on record that almost all of them work in institutionalised homes- old peoples' homes and mad peoples' homes, and not in proper hospitals.

This your write up is just what a typical Nigerian doctor will write so full of themselves. No other professionals are good only them .that why all the nurses in UK,US and Canada are all working in institutionalize homes and mad peoples homes .my dear can u listen to yourself.within you now u have made a point but it really show how you guys reasons.Any way federal government just suspended the residency they run so that they will put things in place just like you guys wanted "WORLD STANDARD "and here you are complaining.as for consulting them that is their job just like the dr consult a mechanic in a shitty place,consult a vulcanizer at the road junction, consult a nurse when on admission in d ward " drs don't get sick? my bro if you say without you we all will die ,the farmers will tell u without them hunger will kill u,the bus drivers will tell u without them u will track until u break down and die so that is how it is.

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by omicron(m): 3:22pm On Aug 20, 2014
itstpia1: Before nko?

Isn't everybody migrating from nigeria?
Everybody may be migrating, but not everyone, or better not every proffessional, is actually in demand in the countries of destination
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by itstpia1: 4:25pm On Aug 20, 2014
maybe so, i dont think it matters to the people migrating, or to their countries of destination.
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by Nobody: 6:10pm On Aug 20, 2014
matify:


In as much as I won't want to join issues with you on this subject matter, it is needfull to reiterate here that even though the drs have been away for over 6 weeks, you have not stopped consulting them in weird places like on the phone, in eateries and food joints or even in traffic hold-ups.
Petrol stations, children's school, police check points... Let them not just see NMA sticker on your windshield! Yet they will come here and say they don't need doctors.
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by Nobody: 6:28pm On Aug 20, 2014
Realtouchnot:

So to "discipline" them, all a reasonable govt could to was to make a pronouncement which will NEVER stand but only add insult to injury. Your family had better got enough money for private hospital bill or for Indian hospitals, cos needing a doctor is an integral part of human need.

As for the Nigerian Nurses in UK and US, it is on record that almost all of them work in institutionalised homes- old peoples' homes and mad peoples' homes, and not in proper hospitals.

many of them carry shit and urine.

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Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by itstpia1: 7:00pm On Aug 20, 2014
whatever pays the bills i should think.
Re: Massive Overseas Exudos Of Doctors Loom!!! by omicron(m): 7:06pm On Aug 20, 2014
itstpia1: maybe so, i dont think it matters to the people migrating, or to their countries of destination.
Of course it does matter to both of them. You should read the study that I posted the link above to understand them clearly

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