THIS WAS COPIED FROM A CHRISTIAN DUDE
most fanatics (anti abortionist) would say that abortion is
murder, but they haven’t looked closely at the Bible.
So let’s see what the Word of God says on this matter: In
the Old Testament, a law was stated clearly from the
Children of Israel after they came out of Egypt:
If, when men come to blows, they hurt a woman who is
pregnant and she suffers a miscarriage, though she does
not die of it, the man responsible must pay the
compensation demanded of him by the woman’s master; he
shall hand it over, after arbitration. But should she die, you
shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot. (Exodus 21:22-24, Jerusalem Bible)
In other words, if you cause the death of the fetus, you
merely pay a fine; if you cause the death of the woman, you
lose your own life. Thus, the Bible clearly shows that a fetus
is not considered a person. If the fetus were considered to
be a person, then the penalty for killing it would be the same
as for killing the woman – death.
These verses in Exodus, by the way, are backed up by four
thousand years of Jewish law; abortion has never been
considered murder in Jewish law. A fetus is only a potential
person.
Incidentally, the fine the Israelite man had to pay was not
for the fetus; it was for hurting the woman. This is made
clear in another translation of the same verses (Revised
Standard Version): “The one who hurt her (the woman)
shall be fined.” There was no fine for hurting the fetus
because it was not considered a person.
Then i am sure that you anti-abortionist would say that LIFE
begins as soon as a woman is pregnant. NO IT DOESN'T.
Life begins before conception. The sperm is alive and the
ovum is alive – long before they get together at the moment
of fertilization. As one great doctor said, “Life does not
begin at conception; it is only changed and now has the
potential for a different form.” If terminating life is murder,
then the anti-abortionist should be consistent and say that
terminating the life of the egg or sperm is murder too,
contraception/self-service etc.
Then the anti-abortionist might say that If the embryo is a
potential person, shouldn’t it be treated the same way as a
full-fledged person?
of course NOT! An acorn is not an oak, a seed is not a rose,
an embryo is not a human being. Nowhere in the Bible is the
embryo or fetus given the status of a human being.
Personhood does not begin at conception.
The Bible indicates that personhood begins when a baby
emerges from the mother’s womb. In the Bible and in
modern life, birthdays are observed on the date of the
baby’s emergence from the womb. The precise moment of
the beginning of personhood is when the baby takes its first
breath because that’s when God infuses the baby with a
soul. Genesis 2:7 says, “And the Lord God formed man out
of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the
breath of life; and man became a living soul.” In other
words, when an infant breathes its first breath, the soul
enters its body and it achieves the status of person.
then you might say that god wants every foetus to grow into
a person. well, not according to the Bible. In Ecclesiastes
6:3, God compares the rich man who has led an empty
foolish life with a still-born infant and says, “it would have
been better for that man if he had not been born.” The
world is better off without Judases and Hitlers and Charles
Mansons – who quite often begin life unwanted, grow up
abused and hated, and then take out their anger on society.
How many psychopaths and destructive misfits will be born
if anti-abortionist force women to bear unwanted children?
The main motivation for anti-abortionists is revenge. They
want to see pregnant mothers suffer the consequences of
their sin. I have seen the evil gleam of vengeance in the anti
abortionists’ eyes as they say, “She had her fun; now she
has to pay the price.”
When the mob wanted to stone the woman who had
committed adultery, Jesus said, “He that is without sin
among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” (John 8:7) I’m
afraid that if Jesus were to repeat those words today, these
self-righteous hypocrites would pick up stones and smash
the poor girls who have been guilty of making a mistake.
Stoning is not far from what these fanatics are in fact trying
to do today. They are not so much pro-life as they are pro-
vengeance. Their stones are these cruel words: “You must
have that baby!”
To the woman who says, “I have seven children already,” the
fanatics reply, “You must have that baby!”
To the woman who says, “I was Molested,” the fanatics
reply, “You must have that baby!”
To the woman who says, “My doctor says I will die if I have
this baby,” the fanatics reply, “You must have that baby!”
You must have that baby – words of stone, crueler than the
stones hurled at sinners in Jesus’ day by self righteous
Pharisees.
then you would probably say that a person SHOULD suffer
the consequences of their wrongdoing. yes, but if the girl
wants to go ahead and have the baby, fine; but she
shouldn’t be forced to have it. Why? Because the one who
will suffer the most is not the mother but the child.
Unwanted, unloved children are frequently abused, and they
often grow up to become delinquents and criminals. Then
society is made to suffer, as well. The “punishment” of the
mother is enormously out of proportion to the so called
“crime.”
you would then say: Shouldn’t a woman who has had an
abortion feel some amount of shame?
No,why should she!? there is no need for her to hang her
head in shame. She is showing respect for life and devotion
to God when she says, “Life is too precious for me to bring a
child into the world at this time. I want to wait until I have
the money or the emotional resources to be a good mother.”
final point: I believe that abortion is sometimes the Christian
and humane alternative. I believe that God wants us to bring
into this world only the number of children which we can
adequately take care of. I believe that God has given us this
safe surgical procedure as a gift to hold down the
population in a world that is choked with too many people
and not enough food, a world that is filled with unwanted
children.

Thrash...

uboma: Thrash...

of the highest order..its lyk d guy is high on something

ur brain is having high fever pls try this

@Abdulsalam20: and your point exactly is what again Be careful, stop spewing utter balderdash here u hear

When you need so many words to put out a concise point, then its either you are ignorant of the subject matter or just schizophrenic with intermittent flight of idea and often going tangential from your destination.

WHY ARE U PEOPLE ABUSING THE POINT IS PLS DEFEND THE VERSE AND THE EXPLANATION,EXPLAIN IT UN UR OWN PERSPECTIVE................

IF U SAID AM HIGH ON SOMETHING AM NT A CHRISTIAN DAT GOD COMMAND U TO DRINK AND STAGGER Jeremiah 25:15-16 This is what the LORD, the
God of Israel, said to me: “Take from my hand
this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and
make all the nations to whom I send you
drink it.When they drink it, they will stagger
and go mad because of the sword I will send
among them.”Also in Jeremiah 25:27-28 Then
tell them, ‘This is what the LORD Almighty, the
God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and
vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the
sword I will send among you.’ But if they
refuse to take the cup from your hand and
drink, tell them, ‘This is what the LORD
Almighty says
AM A MUSLIM THE QURAN CONDEMN IT

Another thread that if the reverse were the case (christian op vs Quran), the op would have been banned


Maclatunji, Deols, Mukina2

I WOULD LYK SOM1 TO DEFEND THIS BT NT TO INSULT

belhomme: ur brain is having high fever pls try this

DEFEND UR RELIGION DONT ABUSE

TheBigUrban2: Another thread that if the reverse were the case (christian op vs Quran), the op would have been banned


Maclatunji, Deols, Mukina2

What is your problem? Stop tagging me

deols:

What is your problem? Stop tagging me

You are a mod, and I am reporting something to you.

If you dont like it....BAN ME OR DO YOUR JOB

TheBigUrban2:


You are a mod, and I am reporting something to you.

If you dont like it....BAN ME OR DO YOUR JOB

I have not moderated for a long time. I dont come here to moderate. In fact, I am NOT a moderator.

deols:

I have not moderated for a long time. I dont come here to moderate. In fact, I am NOT a moderator.

Really? Then why does the bottom of the islam section claim that you are? Get Seun to fix that ASAP

@Op
Abortion is allowed in Islam at certain times under some circumstances.

Didnt read your opening post. Just saying

TheBigUrban2:


Really? Then why does the bottom of the islam section claim that you are? Get Seun to fix that ASAP

You just did. Thanks

deols:

You just did. Thanks

huh?

TheBigUrban2:


huh?

Wouldnt he see the tag and do the expected? You donno how this forum works anymore?

TheBigUrban2:


huh?

I wonder how thin your fingers are and how worn out your eyes are for spending so much time worrying about religion and religious people.

One would expect an atheist to be busy enjoying life so that when u find your self in hell, there'll at least be a reasonable justification for it.

deols:

I wonder how thin your fingers are and how worn out your eyes are for spending so much time worrying about religion and religious people.

One would expect an atheist to be busy enjoying life so that when u find your self in hell, there'll at least be a reasonable justification for it.

lol, I ignored your previous reply and now you chose to try and insult me?

I feel your pain


#we have derailed enough

#unfollows thread

TheBigUrban2:

lol, I ignored your previous reply and now you chose to try and insult me?

I feel your pain


#we have derailed enough

#unfollows thread

I GUESS THE MOD ARE NOT AS CRUEL AS U THINK ALL WHAT I POSTED IS WITH EVIDENCE AND ALSO I JST NEED SOMEONE TODEEND IT COZ I COPIED IT FROM A CHRISTIAN DUDE

dejt4u:
of the highest order..its lyk d guy is high on something

IF U SAID AM HIGH ON SOMETHING AM NT A CHRISTIAN DAT
GOD COMMAND U TO DRINK AND STAGGER Jeremiah
25:15-16 This is what the LORD, the
God of Israel, said to me: “Take from my hand
this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and
make all the nations to whom I send you
drink it.When they drink it, they will stagger
and go mad because of the sword I will send
among them.”Also in Jeremiah 25:27-28 Then
tell them, ‘This is what the LORD Almighty, the
God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and
vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the
sword I will send among you.’ But if they
refuse to take the cup from your hand and
drink, tell them, ‘This is what the LORD
Almighty says
AM A MUSLIM THE QURAN CONDEMN IT

What is the definition of abortion? It is wilful removal of an unwanted pregnancy. But here it is said if it is aborted by blows. It means it is inadvertently removed by blows, therefore this cannot fall under abortion as the woman does not give her consent for the removal of the pregnancy.

truthman2012: What is the definition of abortion? It is wilful removal of an unwanted pregnancy. But here it is said if it is aborted by blows. It means it is inadvertently removed by blows, therefore this cannot fall under abortion as the woman does not give her consent for the removal of the pregnancy.

you are wrong this is the meaning
noun (plural abortions)

1. (medicine) The cessation of pregnancy or fetal development:

(medicine) a miscarriage.

2. (dated) The immature product of an untimely birth. 3. (biology) Arrest of development of any organ, so that it remains an imperfect formation or is absorbed. 4. Any fruit or produce that does not come to maturity, or anything which is interrupted in its progress before it is matured or perfect. 5. The act of aborting a project, a mission, etc, before it is completed. 6. chiefly arts Something ugly, an artistic atrocity;. 7. A monstrosity; a misshapen person.

synonyms ♦ misbirth

u can see miscarriage is there abortion may not be willful
2.look above'the immature product of an untimely birth u can see it may not be willful


AND ALSO READ THE POST FROM LINE TO LINE NOT JUST SKIMMING THROUGH READ EXTENSIVELY NOT INTENSIVELY

Abdulsalam20:
you are wrong this is the meaning
noun (plural abortions)

1. (medicine) The cessation of pregnancy or fetal development:

(medicine) a miscarriage.

2. (dated) The immature product of an untimely birth. 3. (biology) Arrest of development of any organ, so that it remains an imperfect formation or is absorbed. 4. Any fruit or produce that does not come to maturity, or anything which is interrupted in its progress before it is matured or perfect. 5. The act of aborting a project, a mission, etc, before it is completed. 6. chiefly arts Something ugly, an artistic atrocity;. 7. A monstrosity; a misshapen person.

synonyms ♦ misbirth

u can see miscarriage is there abortion may not be willful
2.look above'the immature product of an untimely birth u can see it may not be willful


AND ALSO READ THE POST FROM LINE TO LINE NOT JUST SKIMMING THROUGH READ EXTENSIVELY NOT INTENSIVELY

Thank you.

But the fact remains that a blow on a pregnant woman is an accident, not that bible authorizes abortion.

truthman2012:

Thank you.

But the fact remains that a blow on a pregnant woman is an accident, not that bible authorizes abortion.

Blockus:


A Blow to the Stomach was the Biblical Postinol 2.

ABI NW I JST DEY LAFF WIT DAT ANSWER ATER GLARING EVIDENCE