A reverend Father (Catholic priest) in his slip, 'met' with a woman and that resulted into a baby boy. though the priest immediately repented and was re-admitted and since then he'd been straight in his calling.

Now the church discovers the baby boy, what do u expect the leadership of the church to do?

Shl he lose his calling as a priest and marry his sons' mother, or remain a priest with his son that will soon be revealed to the congregation.
is he really worthy of remaining a priest after the defilement?

Please ur suggestions!

i dont think he should remain a priest. he needs to marry the mother of his son if he truely believes in what he is teaching.

Some things are better off left unanswered.

he don't need 2 marry that woman all he need 2 do is accept the child but no d ol priest thing is got to go he got a son

What traditions can do to people is amazing.

On the one hand, the congregation was aware of the incident - and they "re-admitted" him after he repented. Now the same congregation comes back playing 'shocked angels' just because they 'discovered' he has a son! Would the 're-admitted' exercise have been more sanctimonious if the deed produced no child?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Christian ministers getting married - in fact, it is highly recommended (1 Tim. 3:2 & Tit. 1:6). The gentleman should do what he finds in the WORD. If he desires to marry the mother of his son, let him do so and seek to fulfill his calling in the Christian ministry in precisely the way that God might have so ordained for him. Better still, without ceremony let him simply leave their tradition unto them and seek to find out what God would have him do. The "tradition of the elders" imposed upon people to maintain a religious culture outside the divine WORD often leads to vain worship (Matt. 15:2 & 9).

Another example of suffering imposed by the adhoc clerical authorities to deprive people of the joys of marriage and parenthood.

Celibacy in the Catholic church is a recent depraved imposition. All or most of the earliest church fathers and Popes where married and had countless illegitimate children.

You only have to study the historyof the Papacy to see the deprave nature of the Catholic authorities in the Midddle to Dark Ages.

Check out the book by the Catholic Priest, Peter De Rosa, "Vicars of Christ";
http://www.amazon.com/Vicars-Christ-Peter-Rosa/dp/184223000X/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208979219&sr=8-2

Which sin is greater?

- Fathering a son?
- Declaring war (bellum sacrum -> holy war) on the M'uslims?
- Deleting 7 books from the Catholic bible?

imhotep:

Which sin is greater?

- Fathering a son?
- Declaring war (bellum sacrum -> holy war) on the M'uslims?
- Deleting 7 books from the Catholic bible?

1. Fathering a son while pretending to be celibate is hypocrisy which is sin.
2. No one declared a war on mus'lims, welcome to the world of propaganda as a tool for jihad.
3. Christ will not judge you based on how many books of the bible you read . . . rather you are judged based on your faithfulness to the little committed to you. How many books of the torah did poor lazarus read?

4 Him:

1. Fathering a son while pretending to be celibate is hypocrisy which is sin.

Good.

4 Him:

2. No one declared a war on mus'lims, welcome to the world of propaganda as a tool for jihad.

Pope Urban II declared war on the invading m'uslims in 1095 AD. See => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II.

Pope Pius V fought wars with invading m'uslims in 1571. See => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_V

These crusades/wars helped stop the violent spread Isl@m. They preserved Christianity - even the Christianity of those who now attack the Popes and the Catholic Church!!! Bigger Hypocrisy.

4 Him:

3. Christ will not judge you based on how many books of the bible you read . . . rather you are judged based on your faithfulness to the little committed to you. How many books of the torah did poor lazarus read?

Really??
You did not quote this for me, like you used to ->

Rev 22:19

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

imhotep:

Good.
Pope Urban II declared war on the invading m'uslims in 1095 AD. See => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II.

Pope Pius V fought wars with invading m'uslims in 1571. See => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_V

These crusades/wars helped stop the violent spread of The Great Religion. They preserved Christianity - even the Christianity of those who now attack the Popes!!! Bigger Hypocrisy.

the same popes who fed christians to lions, shed their blood in thousands and sent them to dungeons and catacombs? The same popes who put jews to the sword now claim to have "defended christianity"?

imhotep:

Really??
You did not quote this for me, like you used to ->

Rev 22:19

and that book of prophecy was clearly specified to be the catholic bible?

4 Him:

the same popes who fed christians to lions, shed their blood in thousands and sent them to dungeons and catacombs? The same popes who put jews to the sword now claim to have "defended christianity"?

Roman Emperors did this. Go and study. Emperor Constantine converted to christianity and stopped all that. See => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine

4 Him:

and that book of prophecy was clearly specified to be the catholic bible?

Dont dodge the issue. Let me repost

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Martin Luther took 7 books away. Yet you follow blindly.

See the issues you've been dodging for so long:

“We declare, state, define and pronounce that for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pope is altogether necessary for salvation” (Caper, The Church in History).

When did every human creature become subject to the pope as a criteria for salvation? Where is that in your bible? the 7 books martin luther removed?

Who made the pope infallible? Who makes the pope as God?

Dear, this is simply a replay of the FIRST REBELLION when Satan wanted to make himself as God.

4 Him:

See the issues you've been dodging for so long:

“We declare, state, define and pronounce that for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pope is altogether necessary for salvation” (Caper, The Church in History).

When did every human creature become subject to the pope as a criteria for salvation? Where is that in your bible? the 7 books martin luther removed?

Who made the pope infallible? Who makes the pope as God?

Dear, this is simply a replay of the FIRST REBELLION when Satan wanted to make himself as God.

Start by rejecting the Trinity and the Hypostatic union - defined and defended by Popes. Be consistent.
Also reject ALL the books of your bible - which is simply a contracted Catholic bible.

imhotep:

Start by rejecting the Trinity and the Hypostatic union - defined and defended by Popes. Be consistent.
Also reject ALL the books of your bible - which is simply a contracted Catholic bible.

No thanks to the popes who defended what they were not told to defend.

If the contracted bible was not complied by catholics, God would have used other people to compile it. So dont fool yourselves with that no reward compiling thing you claim you did. The same bible you compiled is nailing your coffins here.

There were no bibles but scrolls and texts of the old testament then and even during Jesus's time. Did they not get the message? They did, so people would still have gotten the message where they not to have catholics compile them! Simple as ABC.

cgift:

No thanks to the popes who defended what they were not told to defend.

If the contracted bible was not complied by catholics, God would have used other people to compile it. So don't fool yourselves with that no reward compiling thing you claim you did. The same bible you compiled is nailing your coffins here.

There were no bibles but scrolls and texts of the old testament then and even during Jesus's time. Did they not get the message? They did, so people would still have gotten the message where they not to have catholics compile them! Simple as ABC.

Stop dodging. 'Trinity' is not in the bible. Why do you believe it. Be consistent.

imhotep:

Stop dodging. 'Trinity' is not in the bible. Why do you believe it. Be consistent.

Its probably the word trinity that is distrubing you. well, tell us what is in the bible concerning the relationship between the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, that is what i believe in - so long as it is in the bible. I dont subscribe to you confusing issues with this Trinity thing!

Hope you are not saying that there is no relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in the bible? If there is a relationship, kindly tell us what is in the bible concerning the relationship between the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost from the bible. That relationship is what i will believe in.

going back to the subject of the thread.
are priests restrained from withdrawing/resigning from their priesthood, if they no longer can adhere to the rules that they initially accepted?

anonimi:

going back to the subject of the thread.
are priests restrained from withdrawing/resigning from their priesthood, if they no longer can adhere to the rules that they initially accepted?

They are permitted to "sin" yes fall not more than once in a month and they are excused - no penalties according to the authorities. Let ~Lady~ or any catholic counter this if they can.

going back to the subject of the thread.
are priests restrained from withdrawing/resigning from their priesthood, if they no longer can adhere to the rules that they initially accepted?

Yes praising God is not by force. Worshipping God is not by force. Christianity is not by force.
There is something called free will. No one is tying their legs. If they feel they can't continue on the path, then they can divert if they want to. No be by force.

Cgift, still the same ol guy aint u??
dnt u sin?
if ur pastor tells u dat he dsnt sin, u will blv him/her?
if he says he does sin, r u goin to prescribe a punishment?

always try n think thru ur post b4 u make them alrite?

imhotep:



Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Martin Luther took 7 books away. Yet you follow blindly.

The book being refered to in the above quoted scripture is the book of revelation it self and not the whole bible, as at the time revelation was written, the bible didn't even exist then, the bible was compiled 400 years after so it couldn't have been the bible being refered to there. Concerning the seven books under question, i think the question should be why were they included in the bible in the first place.

KunleOshob:

The book being refered to in the above quoted scripture is the book of revelation it self and not the whole bible, as at the time revelation was written, the bible didn't even exist then, the bible was compiled 400 years after so it couldn't have been the bible being refered to there. Concerning the seven books under question, i think the question should be why were they included in the bible in the first place.

@KunleOshob
God bless you. Your are the first protestant I have met that has interpreted this passage CORRECTLY. Keep it up.

Ah, I forgot to mention the story of St. Augustine. As a youth Augustine lived a hedonistic lifestyle for a time and, in Carthage, he developed a relationship with a young woman who would be his concubine for over fifteen years. During this period he had a son, Adeodatus, with the young woman.

He got converted at the age of 34 and eventually became the Bishop of Hippo. He hosted the Synod of Hyppo in the year 393 AD in which the bible was approved.


More here => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

viee:

Cgift, still the same ol guy aint u??
dnt u sin?
if your pastor tells u that he dsnt sin, u will blv him/her?
if he says he does sin, r u goin to prescribe a punishment?

always try n think through your post before u make them alrite?

Not bothered about your vitriols girlie. The truth stares you in the face. Be bold enough to reconsider your stance. Your are obviously ctanding on shaky grounds dear.

KunleOshob:

The book being refered to in the above quoted scripture is the book of revelation it self and not the whole bible, as at the time revelation was written, the bible didn't even exist then, the bible was compiled 400 years after so it couldn't have been the bible being refered to there.

YoYou are wrong dear. You should not be looking at the bible as one compiled book but at the words, commandments, and instructions of God. If they have added foreign doctrines to it, then he has added to the word of the Lord and plagues shall be added to the person's , (according to the book of revelations). If they remove (like they did the second command), then the word of the Lord still remains fulfilled.

imhotep:

Ah, I forgot to mention the story of St. Augustine. As a youth Augustine lived a hedonistic lifestyle for a time and, in Carthage, he developed a relationship with a young woman who would be his concubine for over fifteen years. During this period he had a son, Adeodatus, with the young woman.

He got converted at the age of 34 and eventually became the Bishop of Hippo. He hosted the Synod of Hyppo in the year 393 AD in which the bible was approved.

More here => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo

So why are we deceiving ourselves? Such double standards exist in the Catholic church, so why dont you just allow all your priests to get married rather than allow them burn with pedophilia f it does not affect anything after all?

cgift:

So why are we deceiving ourselves? Such double standards exist in the Catholic church, so why don't you just allow all your priests to get married rather than allow them burn with pedophilia f it does not affect anything after all?

Hypocrite. Why not throw away the bible that St Augustine approved. He was a sinner and you are holy. Not so? Throw that bible away, go and arrange your own. Stop being lazy.

Imhotep

Don't bother with cgift, he is only doing it with for his own personal gain

it would seem from the response (or rather lack of) to my question that there is no catholic rule barring the priest from resigning his vow IF he wants to marry and be a full-fledged father to his son. I believe ex-President Aristide of Haiti did that.
so why the fuss please

cgift:



YoYou are wrong dear. You should not be looking at the bible as one compiled book but at the words, commandments, and instructions of God. If they have added foreign doctrines to it, then he has added to the word of the Lord and plagues shall be added to the person's , (according to the book of revelations). If they remove (like they did the second command), then the word of the Lord still remains fulfilled.

@cgift
Obviously you don't understand the bible which you claim to believe in, even a little kid understands that the bible is several different books combined in to one. common sense then dictates that John who wrote the book of revelation could only have been refering a book that was in existence at that time and not the bible which was compiled 400 years later. And there was definitely no prediction about the bible in the book of revelation. I am sure you realise this butyou would rather manipulate the truth to suit your myopic argument. Why should i not look at the bible as one compiled book is that not the truth i suggest you go and do more research on the origins of the bible and get to understand it better before you start coming here to display your ignorance

anonimi:

it would seem from the response (or rather lack of) to my question that there is no catholic rule barring the priest from resigning his vow IF he wants to marry and be a full-fledged father to his son. I believe ex-President Aristide of Haiti did that.
so why the fuss please

The question is if he can still continue to be a preist while he has a son, i think then they should just relax the rule of celibacy. Their double-standardness is truly appalling! That you have a family does not mean you can give your best to God. Men and women of Gods who have moved the world with the Gospel of Jesus were and are married. The catholic priests that cant even move a pin with their low or high mass claim they can only be truly fulfilled while being celibates! Imagine that!

~Lady~:

Imhotep

Don't bother with cgift, he is only doing it with for his own personal gain

KunleOshob:

@cgift
Obviously you don't understand the bible which you claim to believe in, even a little kid understands that the bible is several different books combined in to one. common sense then dictates that John who wrote the book of revelation could only have been refering a book that was in existence at that time and not the bible which was compiled 400 years later. And there was definitely no prediction about the bible in the book of revelation. I am sure you realise this butyou would rather manipulate the truth to suit your myopic argument. Why should i not look at the bible as one compiled book is that not the truth i suggest you go and do more research on the origins of the bible and get to understand it better before you start coming here to display your ignorance

Okay. Tell us the book(s) the bible John was referring to then.

@cgift
Will your pastor still remain a pastor if he divorces his wife (and marries another)?

imhotep:

@cgift
Will your pastor still remain a pastor if he divorces his wife (and marries another)?

But the question is irrelevant. He cant remian my Pastor if he does that out of selfish and fleshly desires. I will disown him and leave the church. That is however lame compared to the calling of celibacy friend! Once a priest tastes that thing, he seizes to be celibate and is no different from the man who has a wife at home. Well, like i said earlier, it is legitimised once in a month in the Catholic church for him to taste this thing. So, he wont probable be dismissed or something. Ask ~Lady~. She dey read the book Dignity & Duties of the Priest

Peace.

cgift:

But the question is irrelevant. He can't remian my Pastor if he does that out of selfish and fleshly desires.

And how do you know what his desires/intentions are?

cgift:

I will disown him and leave the church.

And start your own, the protestant way.

cgift:

That is however lame compared to the calling of celibacy friend!

You know nothing about the calling of celibacy

cgift:

Once a priest tastes that thing, he seizes to be celibate and is no different from the man who has a wife at home.

St. Augustine that co-approved the bible you are (mis)quoting had a son. Please burn that bible.

cgift:

Well, like i said earlier, it is legitimised once in a month in the Catholic church for him to taste this thing. So, he wont probable be dismissed or something. Ask ~Lady~. She dey read the book Dignity & Duties of the Priest
Peace.

Stop misquoting St. Alphonsus Liguori.