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Re: Let's Talk About Love. by thehomer: 5:02am On Feb 07, 2015
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Any reasons why you think/say that God wanted sex slaves for some of his people? You see, you hardly understand what genocide is. You cannot talk about genocide without dehumanization, polarization, hate and extermination. These are major markers in any genocide. i'm pretty right to say earlier that you lost objectivity. Again, you are saying(for whatever fuggy foggy reason you put) that you DON'T SEE why Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot should be punished for genocide. You need a doctor.

The reason is that it was written in your Bible. You see, you're merely making excuses for the geoncide your God commanded. You can once again take a look at the definition of what actions constitute genocide and compare that to what your God ordered. Once again, I'm right to say that you've lost objective. Wow are you also having a stroke or merely suffering from problems with reading comprehension? Please can you quote where I said that in its appropriate context?

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God created man, created the earth, divided the red sea, used His prophets to raise the dead and perform many miracles. Do you also see this things before your very eyes? This was the question, stop being childish.

No I don't see those things before my very eyes what I've read with my very eyes are that your God commanded genocide, recommended slavery and killed people for having their own thoughts about what to worship.

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Obviously, you do not know the meaning of genocide.

Obviously I do since I've presented you with its definition and shown that it is what your God commanded. Your denial of these elementary facts is just shameful.

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You are ridiculous and WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING, a character of the unrighteous according to Romans1. i'm to avoid foolish questions, not avoid nairaland or its threads or thehomer. Not all your questions are foolish, some are valid and i have attended to them and ready for more as 1Peter3 says.

grin Yet here you remain. It is only when I ask you whether or not you would obey your God as he commanded the Israelites that you start ranting about Romans and foolish questions. grin I know that I've revealed that deep problem you have with your God.

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Good for you, shows how ineffective a god he/it is. Where is Brahma's book that guides many to a moral life like my God's Word or better?

Haven't you been paying attention? Your God's word leads people to evil and worse. As I've said, the fact that he is more moral than your God is enough to make him win.

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Keep your temper, scarcity and inflation looms.

Looms for who? You and your God?

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So, i checked my Bible and saw nothing about sex slaves. Again, What gives you this ludicrous idea? You have no problem with the millions of abortion that you advocate for. How about God killing all the children and taking them all to Heaven, do you like that one? You seem to have a medical condition with running away from questions. No idea binds God, God is not a man.

You've not been reading your Bible. Do you remember where it distributed the female virgins among people including his prophets? If you say you've not seen this, then I have to say that you're ignorant about your Bible. No I don't like that one. What I would like is that he didn't kill innocent people. Or do you like the one where he orders the killing of everyone except female virgins? If God isn't bound by ideas, then you cannot say he is good or moral.

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Beating God? That must be what they call STRONG delusion a la.
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Judgement is the decision of a Judge, in this case the Judge of all the earth.

No, it is what we just call strong. And the judge is Brahma.

So your God is deliberately deluding people so they may believe a lie? How do you know that you've not fallen under that delusion so that you're believing that your God who commanded a genocide is actually good?

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i call you a liar because you lied, God did not do what you alleged He did. It is not an assumption thehomer. You cannot die for me, or heal me, or give me air to breathe. God does all these for me, you are not better than Him. You can only claim better in your pocket, just like i am a better tennis player than Nadal in my pocket.

God did not order the killings? Then who did? Or are you delusional or reading from the Satan's Bible? As I said, assume whatever you want, your God remains a moral monster.


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cheesy

You're welcome.

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God does not need you or me, we are the ones that need Him. You need Him to save you from sin and its consequences.

He still won't be getting a crumb from me though.

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From your definition of slavery as An institution or social practice of owning human beings as property, especially for use as forced laborers. i do not see how ignorance fits as a form, do you? i predict you will dodge the question, surprise yourself and myself. Point it out, how is Ignorance owning human beings as property, especially for use as forced laborers?
The last i checked, to "have" is to "own", duh. Do you feel depraved for having/owning parents. i don't. Did Abraham have any slave/servant?

Too bad for you that you don't see it. I see it and I've pointed it out to you. You said it yourself that your God owns you. Or do you wish to say now that he doesn't own you? Having is not the same thing as owning. Your silliness is truly astounding. Are you saying that you own your parents the same way masters owned slaves? Or don't you know what owning a slave means? Have you suddenly become unable to cope with English language?

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Ingersoll is already forgotten, you should also forget him for good. You are making another set of unfounded allegations. God said? Where?
God never said you should follow Him as Judge, in fact He has stated otherwise several times. He is the Judge and Avenger and you are to leave judgement and vengeance for Him. H ehas told you what things you should do, and you have being so far unable to provide tangible reason why you will do otherwise.

If he were forgotten, how is it the case that I've been able to quote him? Simply google his name and see whether or not he is forgotten. I refuse to follow a despicable ideology like what your God outlined and what he intends to do to most of humanity according to the Bible. He judges the innocent as guilty and kills them. He avenges himself on babies and on people he deliberately created as flawed. What sort of monster is this that you serve?
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by Image123(m): 9:14pm On Feb 11, 2015
thehomer:

You mean other than Shiva?
Make good use of your God given intellect and be reasonable.


You were never this clear. You say God created man good. Why didn't he create man perfect?
The reference to REFINE and Refiner have being too consistent to miss since at least December 22 in my posts. You should calm down and read my posts with less distraction and pain. God created man good, it is not just what i say. When you meet God, ask Him why He did not create man perfect.
Psa 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Psa 135:6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

He made the fruits that way too, till they are ripe and perfect for consumption, it is called GROWTH(a character of living things, i thought this was taught in basic science).


No, I'm saying that your God is evil in asking Abraham to kill his son. That is callousness.
I have considered your Christian perspective and found it wanting. I'm merely pointing that fact out to you. I'm also pointing out the poor reasoning you're using to back it up.
Good to see you accept that nobody ever killed his/her child because God told him/her to do so. i asked you that question and you have accepted albeit with palpitation. If God ask anyone to kill, He knows perfectly well that death is only a passage into eternity and not the end. God gave Isaac to Abraham when it was already naturally impossible for Abraham to have a child.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
If i give my child a very precious gift and ask him/her to bring it or give me. My child will have no qualms and will trust that i can give him/her the gift or even better and more. This is simple and straight normalcy. Nothing absurd or evil or unreasonable in the act. You need to throw away your perspective for another, it is too poor.


No I'm not advocating that. I'm pointing out to you the difference between punishing someone for what they've done and punishing someone for simply being born. I don't want an allegory, I want you to be consistent. e.g you seem to think that just because people are born, they deserve to be sent to hell.
You take such unnecessary length of time, cajoling and almost coercion to answer simple questions. In the end, the purpose and the line of thought or context is easily fizzled out if not entirely lost. Learn to discuss please, except of course you have nothing to gain. If you are not advocating that we should simply forgive all sinners and defaulters, why do you want God to simply forgive? Who is punishing a poor man's child, when the child has to go to low quality schools, do menial jobs as a kid and wear worn out clothes?
BTW, people are not sent to hell for just being born. The Bible does not teach that, neither have i said that. People are judged according to their works.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


And I say to you, why wasn't Adam made perfect? Or is your God only capable of less than perfection?
Answered this already, just to add. A Maker, Manufacturer, Creator can make, manufacture and create as He chooses in a sense. You don't go asking Toyota why they did not make a 5 wheel car. Go and make yours if you can. If you cannot make yours, you simply look for who can or you buy what is available. Whining to Apple or Samsung why they put 512RAM inside a phone model instead of 256RAM.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:


God created all things including humans for His own pleasure, not for thehomer's fancies. He made Heaven perfect(at least according to what i perceive to be your idea of perfect). For millions and millions of years past, present and to come, heaven is perfect. No aging, no sin, no no dying, everything doing exactly as it is told from Trinity to angels to other living creatures and non living creatures.



Well that is absurd. What is it about God that makes him moral? He commanded those Israelites to kill babies or haven't you read your Bible? Only a biased and selective person will fail to see the demonstration of your God's evil qualities all over the Bible. His genocides, hatred, evil and unjust acts are not worthy of emulation. Getting fixated on your flawed perspective hurts us all.
It is not absurd because He is God not man. His character makes Him moral, His law makes Him moral, His Word(the Bible) makes Him moral. His true followers are moral, all you need to do is look at your good relatives; all followers of God. God no where tell you to emulate Him as a Judge. In fact, on the contrary, He specifically says not to. He says to leave it all to Him. Law enforcement agents don't normally tell society to emulate them in law enforcement.
Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.



You stated it yourself when you said


If whether or not genocide is good depends on who is doing it, then it follows by elementary reasoning that you think that genocide is sometimes good. The fact that you find it difficult to reason when your God is involved is your own failing.
Here is your question again in green, "Is commanding the killing of old people, all males, babies and adults while keeping the young female babies and virgins to be used genocide? " Twisting it to "Is genocide a good thing" is simply deceiving yourself. If God commands killing, it is not genocide, if man commands it in the order you describe, it is genocide. i have explained this same act, different perception thing to you using different analogies and allegories, like the soccer player and the referee, the police man and the common man etc. This is elementary enough, i would not risk programming you or mind-control for you to get it.





I know what I said. The fact that you asked a question based on your own ignorant presumptions doesn't make my answer wrong. Simply look up the biological definition of what apes are. You do realize that Genesis is inconsistent and isn't science. I'm not relying on the fables in Genesis to arrive at my conclusions. Once again, the theory of evolution and the formation of the earth are two different topics. Conflating it merely shows your confusion.
So, how does the theory of evolution show that man is ape or that the earth came about by chance? My reference to Genesis was to show my link of the formation of the earth and evolution(the link being the creation account) since you were needlessly telling us that they are different. i will re-phrase in case you somehow still missed it. Does the theory of evolution show that man is ape OR that the earth came about by chance?



I was merely phrasing things in a way I thought you would be very familiar with by using words and structures you provide. Yet you fail miserably to respond to what was said. As I've said several times, Numbers 31 is a direct quote from your God while Matthew and Romans were either written by unknown people or by mere humans. Who should we believe God himself or some people writing letters to themselves? I have shown you God's hate and asked you to give reasons why you would obey him.
You think people need God not to commit genocide? Don't you think? Recall your God na in Numbers 31 and the fact that he will torture far more people than Mao and Pol Pot combined. You don't need God. He has led you into your dishonesty, lies, perversions and your current depression and slavery.
i said to kindly focus this paragraph on Romans and Matthew and answer the questions instead of dodging. Kindly equals PLEASE i think. How is Numbers 31 a direct quote from God?
Num 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Num 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Num 31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

Is Matthew 5 not a direct quote from Jesus who is God? Is Romans 5 not Bible which is also the Word of God? Numbers was written by Moses, Matthew by Matthew and Romans by Paul. They are all the Word of God. Again, God does not command me or you to obey or emulate what you refer to as 'God's hate'. Contrariwise, He specifically says not to. Give reasons why you will not obey God's command to love, you have not given.
The only reason why you have not committed genocide or worse is God. You have shown enough zombiehood for the devil, only God is stopping him from using you in greater capacity. You that is okay with present day millions of abortion that go on annually. While God will punish more people than Mao and Pol Pot combined, He is the Judge of the Earth and the Creator of all the lives punished and rewarded. And He does not allow or encourage you or anyone to do same as He will do. Your brothers, Pol Pot and Mao cannot make even amoeba and therefore have no locus standi to take any human life. You recall the numbers of lives they took? What the Bible and Christians call godliness is the best of what man can ever think as the 'right thing'. You need God, He can help you out of your dishonesty, lies, perversions and coming depressions.


Asked and answered. When you and your God think that giving Job more children somehow makes things okay. I have defended that assertion. No, things would be okay if God didn't allow the devil to kill Job's children in the first place. As you can see, I've directly answered your questions even repeating myself. No you've not given me evidence of an afterlife, you've only asserted it. Please present the evidence you have of an afterlife. Try reading and understanding just how evil and callous your God is before coming back to me.
Giving Job more children does not mean one child can just be substituted for another, it is simply consolation and reward.
Psa 127:3 Lo, children are a heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
i agree that things would be okay if God didn't allow the devil to kill Job's children in the first place. But things became more okay afterwards. Today, we have the book of Job and Job has served as a cushion, relief, encouragement and source of inspiration for millions in the past, today and in the future. Things were okay before i wrote my secondary school examinations, and i don't think i would have died or automatically become a failure in life if i did not write the exams. In fact, writing the examinations brought me a lot of hardwork, study and diligence and introduced a possibility of failing the exams. But i passed and so did Job.
You forgot to shed more light on this FACT of no afterlife, Or is it your FAITH at work again? i'm 100% certain that you did not bother to try the evidence for God. Lazy you. Don't miss this yet again; evidences of an afterlife are the true christian life, justice, God, purpose of life, and common sense. These are evidences of tomorrow(afterlife).

How on earth is someone killing another person the same as someone saying that they do not believe in your God? This is just more of your dishonesty. Is it a crime not to worship your God today? Answer me. What they did was simply expressing their desire not to worship your God the way some people said he must be worshipped, fact.
Your examples did not say that they do not believe in God, duh. They committed treason. Treason is not JUST thinking. It is a crime not to worship God today of course. And God will judge that crime in His time. You do not worship God the way you feel like, you worship God the way God wants you to. This is what is acceptable and reasonable.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth.




Merely throwing out assertions and asserting your ignorance doesn't constitute facts. The facts are clear that your God is imaginary and you're beholden to a figment of your imagination.
The facts and pictures remain clear, they are not my ignorance but common sense and verifiable. Refining is a very clear, consistent and repeated process all over creation.
Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.
Psa 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

There are millions of stars and planets seemingly useless compared to one planet EARTH. It will only be foolery to glibly assume that God needs all His creatures(including humans) to achieve His purpose. There are millions of spermatozoa released but only one is needed to meet the egg and form the human. The remaining millions are pretty useless. Same goes for pollen grains. The many millions of fruits, crops and livestock and wildlife in the vast forests that grow, ripen, die and rot every year without being touched. The many millions of untapped resources that geologists or so tell us that have being here for ages doing almost nothing of value. The trend is the same for humans who are also a part of God's creation. It is a privilege and not a right for humans to go anywhere called heaven. Make no mistakes again in your life, God is not desperate to get all humans into heaven. These are the bare facts you should use instead of fight.


But your God hates people, common sense tells me that your God is imaginary and I don't see what the human make up has to do with anythign here. I mean, why not the malarial parasite makeup?
Well i have clearly stated some of my reasons for following God as you requested; His love, common sense and the human makeup. You don't have to agree with my reasons.


Your God is an imaginary God made of wood, stone, clouds and finally imagination. Shiva is the Owner of Heaven and Earth and the Creator and Judge of all men. As soon as Shiva created your God, he made your God a figment of human imagination. I don't never said that Mao and Stalin owned human life or that they claimed to create human life. You muse on that until you comprehend.
You would make a poor jester. i hope you know that your brothers Mao and Stalin do not own human life neither can they create human life or claim to.
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by Image123(m): 9:14pm On Feb 11, 2015
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The reason is that it was written in your Bible. You see, you're merely making excuses for the geoncide your God commanded. You can once again take a look at the definition of what actions constitute genocide and compare that to what your God ordered. Once again, I'm right to say that you've lost objective. Wow are you also having a stroke or merely suffering from problems with reading comprehension? Please can you quote where I said that in its appropriate context?
You have being quite ignoble of recent, hope no personal challenges? Where is it written in the Bible that God wanted sex slaves for some of his people? Like i have proven, same act but different actor changes context and meaning. Here again in summary. SAME ACT- spending my $10 on my table. DIFFERENT ACTORS- Myself and MR THIEF. If i spend my $10, it is okay, if Mr THIEF spends my $10, it is not okay but tantamount to stealing/theft. God is not a man, be objective.
Here, you said "I don't see why a limited human(referring to your kinsmen Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot) who doesn't know it all and has limited power should be punished for genocide". After which you gave your fugggy foggy reason why you cannot see. Doctor Jesus can treat you for almost free.


No I don't see those things before my very eyes what I've read with my very eyes are that your God commanded genocide, recommended slavery and killed people for having their own thoughts about what to worship.
Good answer, thanks for answering at last. So, did you read with your very eyes that God created man, created the earth, divided the red sea, used His prophets to raise the dead and perform many miracles?


Obviously I do since I've presented you with its definition and shown that it is what your God commanded. Your denial of these elementary facts is just shameful.
You cannot talk about genocide without dehumanization, polarization, hate and extermination. These are major markers in any genocide. Do you object?


grin Yet here you remain. It is only when I ask you whether or not you would obey your God as he commanded the Israelites that you start ranting about Romans and foolish questions. grin I know that I've revealed that deep problem you have with your God.
Again, not all your questions are foolish, some are valid and i have attended to them and ready for more as 1Peter3 says. i have demonstrated the foolishness and impracticability of your question. If you ask other questions perceived to be foolish, they will equally be avoided.


Haven't you been paying attention? Your God's word leads people to evil and worse. As I've said, the fact that he is more moral than your God is enough to make him win.
Has it led your christian relatives to evil and worse?


Looms for who? You and your God?
General warning. No scarcity in God.


You've not been reading your Bible. Do you remember where it distributed the female virgins among people including his prophets? If you say you've not seen this, then I have to say that you're ignorant about your Bible. No I don't like that one. What I would like is that he didn't kill innocent people. Or do you like the one where he orders the killing of everyone except female virgins? If God isn't bound by ideas, then you cannot say he is good or moral.
Yes, female virgin slaves were distributed but there is nothing about sex slaves. Your ludicrous idea is not in the Bible but only a product of your depraved and perverted mind. It was very common for victors to have captives as slaves, whether young or old or male or female. the male are usually called menservants, while the females were called maids or handmaid(ens). This was common both in Israel and outside. E.g
2Ki 5:2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on Naaman's wife.
Today, they call them househelps. It is even popular in Nigeria. Only demented possessed minds would think that every little female househelp is a sex slave or must be used for sex. The Bible no where says, records or implies this. It is also contradictory and a sin punishable by death in the Old testament as that is equivalent to adultery and jews were not encouraged to marry non-jews in those days. Do i expect you to quit pushing this ignorant(to say the least) agenda? No, because you are possessed, and possessed people do exactly as the evil spirit in them says without thinking or power to resist.
You still have no problem with the millions of abortion that you advocate for. While the little ones were innocent, they got an express ticket to heaven, a ticket whose likelihood would have being greatly reduced if they were allowed to grow up and trendingly become like their parents and progenitors. God actually saved a good portion of a rotten nation from hell. i hope you know that not all the so called innocent Midianites were killed eventually and they became enemies and captors of Israelites in the future. It's in the Bible if you read. Nothing binds God. Who determined what i can or cannot say about being good or moral?



No, it is what we just call strong. And the judge is Brahma.

So your God is deliberately deluding people so they may believe a lie? How do you know that you've not fallen under that delusion so that you're believing that your God who commanded a genocide is actually good?
How do you know that Brahma is judge, by making it up? You see your life outside? cheesy cheesy cheesy you do not know Bible. Read again and comprehend. for this cause God shall send them strong delusion. For what cause/reason? Because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. i have received the love of the truth so stop asking silly confused questions. God is truth, the Word of God is truth and i love Him, that is why i am talking about Love in this thread BTW.


God did not order the killings? Then who did? Or are you delusional or reading from the Satan's Bible? As I said, assume whatever you want, your God remains a moral monster.
God did not do what you alleged He did. You lied that God supports abortion, fornication, unforgiveness, indecency, hate more than you. You cannot die for me, or heal me, or give me air to breathe. God does all these for me, you are not better than Him. You can only claim better in your pocket, just like i am a better tennis player than Nadal in my pocket.



He still won't be getting a crumb from me though.
He doesn't need your crumbs, He owns you and He will judge you in His time. No human can escape, not me not you.


Too bad for you that you don't see it. I see it and I've pointed it out to you. You said it yourself that your God owns you. Or do you wish to say now that he doesn't own you? Having is not the same thing as owning. Your silliness is truly astounding. Are you saying that you own your parents the same way masters owned slaves? Or don't you know what owning a slave means? Have you suddenly become unable to cope with English language?
Point it out, how is Ignorance owning human beings as property, especially for use as forced laborers? Ignorance clearly does not fit. thehomer, what does it mean to 'have'?


If he were forgotten, how is it the case that I've been able to quote him? Simply google his name and see whether or not he is forgotten. I refuse to follow a despicable ideology like what your God outlined and what he intends to do to most of humanity according to the Bible. He judges the innocent as guilty and kills them. He avenges himself on babies and on people he deliberately created as flawed. What sort of monster is this that you serve?
Ingersoll is a past perished participle cheesy cheesy cheesy he is clearly forgotten and only taken from the rusted archives by the few bigots and extremists who have fond memories of him. BTW, good to see you drop your "God said" allegations. i guess you read it from some website instead of looking at the Bible for yourself. God never said you should follow Him as Judge, in fact He has stated otherwise several times. He is the Judge and Avenger and you are to leave judgement and vengeance for Him. He has told you what things you should do, and you have being so far unable to provide tangible reason why you will do otherwise.
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by thehomer: 12:23pm On Feb 14, 2015
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Make good use of your God given intellect and be reasonable.

Make good use of your Shiva given intellect and be reasonable.

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The reference to REFINE and Refiner have being too consistent to miss since at least December 22 in my posts. You should calm down and read my posts with less distraction and pain. God created man good, it is not just what i say. When you meet God, ask Him why He did not create man perfect.
Psa 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Psa 135:6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.

He made the fruits that way too, till they are ripe and perfect for consumption, it is called GROWTH(a character of living things, i thought this was taught in basic science).

Why didn't he create man perfect?

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Good to see you accept that nobody ever killed his/her child because God told him/her to do so. i asked you that question and you have accepted albeit with palpitation. If God ask anyone to kill, He knows perfectly well that death is only a passage into eternity and not the end. God gave Isaac to Abraham when it was already naturally impossible for Abraham to have a child.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
If i give my child a very precious gift and ask him/her to bring it or give me. My child will have no qualms and will trust that i can give him/her the gift or even better and more. This is simple and straight normalcy. Nothing absurd or evil or unreasonable in the act. You need to throw away your perspective for another, it is too poor.

Good to see you accept that your God asked people to kill even their own children for him. If you asked your child to kill his own child for you, then I'd say you're also callous. Giving the excuse that God knows death is only a passage to eternity and is good, then why don't you go around giving your children this passage to eternity?


[quote author = Carl Sagan]
Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open mind and accepts whatever it has to teach us, or somebody who says everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never mind the fallibility of all the human beings involved?
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You take such unnecessary length of time, cajoling and almost coercion to answer simple questions. In the end, the purpose and the line of thought or context is easily fizzled out if not entirely lost. Learn to discuss please, except of course you have nothing to gain. If you are not advocating that we should simply forgive all sinners and defaulters, why do you want God to simply forgive? Who is punishing a poor man's child, when the child has to go to low quality schools, do menial jobs as a kid and wear worn out clothes?
BTW, people are not sent to hell for just being born. The Bible does not teach that, neither have i said that. People are judged according to their works.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

You keep on deliberately missing points that are clear. Are you really unable to see the difference between deliberately killing a 6 month old baby and killing the father who your God says was a theif? Why shouldn't God "forgive" this baby who hasn't done anythign wrong other than being born? Actually, your Bible does teach that people deserve hell just for being born. This is why you should read your Bible to know the evil it teaches.

Mark Twain:
A God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell — mouths mercy, and invented hell — mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!

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Answered this already, just to add. A Maker, Manufacturer, Creator can make, manufacture and create as He chooses in a sense. You don't go asking Toyota why they did not make a 5 wheel car. Go and make yours if you can. If you cannot make yours, you simply look for who can or you buy what is available. Whining to Apple or Samsung why they put 512RAM inside a phone model instead of 256RAM.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:


God created all things including humans for His own pleasure, not for thehomer's fancies. He made Heaven perfect(at least according to what i perceive to be your idea of perfect). For millions and millions of years past, present and to come, heaven is perfect. No aging, no sin, no no dying, everything doing exactly as it is told from Trinity to angels to other living creatures and non living creatures.

So your God wanted to create imperfect people but command them to be perfect? This makes no sense at all. Neither Apple nor Samsung claim to be perfect yet they've done a much better job than your God. And they have warranties on their products. Your God just sends people to hell for his own laziness and creating imperfect people.


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God's inhumanity to man makes countless thousands mourn.

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It is not absurd because He is God not man. His character makes Him moral, His law makes Him moral, His Word(the Bible) makes Him moral. His true followers are moral, all you need to do is look at your good relatives; all followers of God. God no where tell you to emulate Him as a Judge. In fact, on the contrary, He specifically says not to. He says to leave it all to Him. Law enforcement agents don't normally tell society to emulate them in law enforcement.
Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

It is absolutely absurd. His character, laws, the Bible are immoral. His followers are sometimes immoral if they think as you do that genocide is sometimes right. The good followers are those who reject your God's evil desires.

Carl Sagan:
What I’m saying is, if God wanted to send us a message, and ancient writings were the only way he could think of doing it, he could have done a better job.

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Here is your question again in green, "Is commanding the killing of old people, all males, babies and adults while keeping the young female babies and virgins to be used genocide? " Twisting it to "Is genocide a good thing" is simply deceiving yourself. If God commands killing, it is not genocide, if man commands it in the order you describe, it is genocide. i have explained this same act, different perception thing to you using different analogies and allegories, like the soccer player and the referee, the police man and the common man etc. This is elementary enough, i would not risk programming you or mind-control for you to get it.

Why don't you answer the question you quoted? Or have you already forgotten what genocide is?

If God commands the killing of old people, all males, babies and adults while keeping the young female babies and virgins is that a good thing? Please answer this one too.

All you're saying as far as I can see is that you think genocide is sometimes good.

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So, how does the theory of evolution show that man is ape or that the earth came about by chance? My reference to Genesis was to show my link of the formation of the earth and evolution(the link being the creation account) since you were needlessly telling us that they are different. i will re-phrase in case you somehow still missed it. Does the theory of evolution show that man is ape OR that the earth came about by chance?

What is wrong with you? Can't you read? I said the formation of the earth is not the theory of evolution so your question there makes an improper assumption. Man is an ape based on the definition of apes by biologists. If you think humans are felines, then say so.

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i said to kindly focus this paragraph on Romans and Matthew and answer the questions instead of dodging. Kindly equals PLEASE i think. How is Numbers 31 a direct quote from God?
Num 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Num 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Num 31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

Is Matthew 5 not a direct quote from Jesus who is God? Is Romans 5 not Bible which is also the Word of God? Numbers was written by Moses, Matthew by Matthew and Romans by Paul. They are all the Word of God. Again, God does not command me or you to obey or emulate what you refer to as 'God's hate'. Contrariwise, He specifically says not to. Give reasons why you will not obey God's command to love, you have not given.
The only reason why you have not committed genocide or worse is God. You have shown enough zombiehood for the devil, only God is stopping him from using you in greater capacity. You that is okay with present day millions of abortion that go on annually. While God will punish more people than Mao and Pol Pot combined, He is the Judge of the Earth and the Creator of all the lives punished and rewarded. And He does not allow or encourage you or anyone to do same as He will do. Your brothers, Pol Pot and Mao cannot make even amoeba and therefore have no locus standi to take any human life. You recall the numbers of lives they took? What the Bible and Christians call godliness is the best of what man can ever think as the 'right thing'. You need God, He can help you out of your dishonesty, lies, perversions and coming depressions.

What do Numbers 31:1 and 31:25 say?

All you're doing is proving my point by showing that your God is confused. First he says genocide is okay, then his so-called son says that people should love others. Why do you reject the fact that he gave the command in Numbers 31? Or are you saying that the commands given in Numbers were good?

No the reason why I haven't is because I am better than your God. Why is God stopping him why doen't he destroy the devil? Or is the devil too powerful for him? You need to reject your God to save you from your dishonesty, lies, perversions and persistent depression.

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Giving Job more children does not mean one child can just be substituted for another, it is simply consolation and reward.
Psa 127:3 Lo, children are a heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
i agree that things would be okay if God didn't allow the devil to kill Job's children in the first place. But things became more okay afterwards. Today, we have the book of Job and Job has served as a cushion, relief, encouragement and source of inspiration for millions in the past, today and in the future. Things were okay before i wrote my secondary school examinations, and i don't think i would have died or automatically become a failure in life if i did not write the exams. In fact, writing the examinations brought me a lot of hardwork, study and diligence and introduced a possibility of failing the exams. But i passed and so did Job.
You forgot to shed more light on this FACT of no afterlife, Or is it your FAITH at work again? i'm 100% certain that you did not bother to try the evidence for God. Lazy you. Don't miss this yet again; evidences of an afterlife are the true christian life, justice, God, purpose of life, and common sense. These are evidences of tomorrow(afterlife).

Reward? Are you mentally unbalanced? He could have prevented it all. How was it more okay? Was Job supposed to just forget that he had children who were murdered while your God looked on? Honestly the sort of depravity you religious people exhibit is just sad.

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Your examples did not say that they do not believe in God, duh. They committed treason. Treason is not JUST thinking. It is a crime not to worship God today of course. And God will judge that crime in His time. You do not worship God the way you feel like, you worship God the way God wants you to. This is what is acceptable and reasonable.
Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit and in truth.

In other words, it was a crime for people to think freely when it comes to worshipping God. Calling it treason doesn't change the fact that your God made it a crime to think. I have thus demonstrated my part. You on the other hand have decided to delude himself by calling it treason to think for oneself.

Ingersoll:
Standing in the presence of the Unknown, all have the same right to think, and all are equally interested in the great questions of origin and destiny. All I claim, all I plead for, is liberty of thought and expression.

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The facts and pictures remain clear, they are not my ignorance but common sense and verifiable. Refining is a very clear, consistent and repeated process all over creation.
Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.
Psa 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

There are millions of stars and planets seemingly useless compared to one planet EARTH. It will only be foolery to glibly assume that God needs all His creatures(including humans) to achieve His purpose. There are millions of spermatozoa released but only one is needed to meet the egg and form the human. The remaining millions are pretty useless. Same goes for pollen grains. The many millions of fruits, crops and livestock and wildlife in the vast forests that grow, ripen, die and rot every year without being touched. The many millions of untapped resources that geologists or so tell us that have being here for ages doing almost nothing of value. The trend is the same for humans who are also a part of God's creation. It is a privilege and not a right for humans to go anywhere called heaven. Make no mistakes again in your life, God is not desperate to get all humans into heaven. These are the bare facts you should use instead of fight.

More empty assertions I see.

Carl Sagan:
You see, the religious people — most of them — really think this planet is an experiment. That’s what their beliefs come down to. Some god or other is always fixing and poking, messing around with tradesmen’s wives, giving tablets on mountains, commanding you to mutilate your children, telling people what words they can say and what words they can’t say, making people feel guilty about enjoying themselves, and like that. Why can’t the gods leave well enough alone? All this intervention speaks of incompetence. If God didn’t want Lot’s wife to look back, why didn’t he make her obedient, so she’d do what her husband told her? Or if he hadn’t made Lot such a shithead, maybe she would’ve listened to him more. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn’t he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why’s he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there’s one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He’s not good at design, he’s not good at execution. He’d be out of business if there was any competition.

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Well i have clearly stated some of my reasons for following God as you requested; His love, common sense and the human makeup. You don't have to agree with my reasons.

And I have clearly stated reasons for avoiding your God. His callousness, his evil nature, his ignorance and incompetence. You really should agree with my reasons since the Bible shows this fact.

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You would make a poor jester. i hope you know that your brothers Mao and Stalin do not own human life neither can they create human life or claim to.

I hope you know that your imaginary God does not own human life even though you claims he does.
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by thehomer: 12:47pm On Feb 14, 2015
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You have being quite ignoble of recent, hope no personal challenges? Where is it written in the Bible that God wanted sex slaves for some of his people? Like i have proven, same act but different actor changes context and meaning. Here again in summary. SAME ACT- spending my $10 on my table. DIFFERENT ACTORS- Myself and MR THIEF. If i spend my $10, it is okay, if Mr THIEF spends my $10, it is not okay but tantamount to stealing/theft. God is not a man, be objective.
Here, you said "I don't see why a limited human(referring to your kinsmen Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot) who doesn't know it all and has limited power should be punished for genocide". After which you gave your fugggy foggy reason why you cannot see. Doctor Jesus can treat you for almost free.

It is written in Numbers 31 that your God wanted sex slaves. So God can spend your $10 on your table? Well if he spends mine, he is a worse thief than Mr. Thief since he even has his own infinite treasures but chose to spend my meager allotment.
This is your dishonesty on full display. Is that the entire sentence? Do you think people who command genocide should be punished?


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Good answer, thanks for answering at last. So, did you read with your very eyes that God created man, created the earth, divided the red sea, used His prophets to raise the dead and perform many miracles?

Yes I read that. But I've also read that aliens visit us here on earth, that there are faeries and that there is some Loch Ness monster. Unlike you, I don't believe everything I read.

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You cannot talk about genocide without dehumanization, polarization, hate and extermination. These are major markers in any genocide. Do you object?

Actually you can. Besides, your God dehumanized, polarized, hated and tried to exterminate those he issued the command against.

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Again, not all your questions are foolish, some are valid and i have attended to them and ready for more as 1Peter3 says. i have demonstrated the foolishness and impracticability of your question. If you ask other questions perceived to be foolish, they will equally be avoided.

Keep moaning you genocidal maniac. All you're waiting for is the go ahead by your imaginary God. This is what makes people like you so dangerous.

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Has it led your christian relatives to evil and worse?

It hasn't because they're still better than your God. Though it has led your Biblical characters to evil and worse.

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General warning. No scarcity in God.

You should heed your warning.

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Yes, female virgin slaves were distributed but there is nothing about sex slaves. Your ludicrous idea is not in the Bible but only a product of your depraved and perverted mind. It was very common for victors to have captives as slaves, whether young or old or male or female. the male are usually called menservants, while the females were called maids or handmaid(ens). This was common both in Israel and outside. E.g
2Ki 5:2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on Naaman's wife.
Today, they call them househelps. It is even popular in Nigeria. Only demented possessed minds would think that every little female househelp is a sex slave or must be used for sex. The Bible no where says, records or implies this. It is also contradictory and a sin punishable by death in the Old testament as that is equivalent to adultery and jews were not encouraged to marry non-jews in those days. Do i expect you to quit pushing this ignorant(to say the least) agenda? No, because you are possessed, and possessed people do exactly as the evil spirit in them says without thinking or power to resist.
You still have no problem with the millions of abortion that you advocate for. While the little ones were innocent, they got an express ticket to heaven, a ticket whose likelihood would have being greatly reduced if they were allowed to grow up and trendingly become like their parents and progenitors. God actually saved a good portion of a rotten nation from hell. i hope you know that not all the so called innocent Midianites were killed eventually and they became enemies and captors of Israelites in the future. It's in the Bible if you read. Nothing binds God. Who determined what i can or cannot say about being good or moral?

The degree of your self delusion is truly remarkable. Why were the male children killed? Do you get househelps today by killing all the male members of their families? Adultery? Are you insane? How many wives did they have? How many of those Biblical patriarchs had children by their "househelps"?
It's truly amazing the depths to which you'll sink to defend the indefensible.
Shiva who created your God determined what you can or cannot say about being good or moral. He has whispered it to me so you should take my word for it.

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How do you know that Brahma is judge, by making it up? You see your life outside? cheesy cheesy cheesy you do not know Bible. Read again and comprehend. for this cause God shall send them strong delusion. For what cause/reason? Because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. i have received the love of the truth so stop asking silly confused questions. God is truth, the Word of God is truth and i love Him, that is why i am talking about Love in this thread BTW.

He told me so. You don't understand that passage. That passage means that you're the one who has been sent the strong delusion.

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God did not do what you alleged He did. You lied that God supports abortion, fornication, unforgiveness, indecency, hate more than you. You cannot die for me, or heal me, or give me air to breathe. God does all these for me, you are not better than Him. You can only claim better in your pocket, just like i am a better tennis player than Nadal in my pocket.

Who ordered the killings? Read your Bible and you'll see that your God supports the things I mentioned. Regardless of what you say, I'm still better than your God.

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He doesn't need your crumbs, He owns you and He will judge you in His time. No human can escape, not me not you.

He still won't be getting a crumb from me. Shiva owns him and he has been judged and found inferior.

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Point it out, how is Ignorance owning human beings as property, especially for use as forced laborers? Ignorance clearly does not fit. thehomer, what does it mean to 'have'?

I have pointed it out. As I've said, your problem is with the English language. Learn to use it and you'll have your answers. You can consult a dictionary for the meaning of any words that you find confusing.

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Ingersoll is a past perished participle cheesy cheesy cheesy he is clearly forgotten and only taken from the rusted archives by the few bigots and extremists who have fond memories of him. BTW, good to see you drop your "God said" allegations. i guess you read it from some website instead of looking at the Bible for yourself. God never said you should follow Him as Judge, in fact He has stated otherwise several times. He is the Judge and Avenger and you are to leave judgement and vengeance for Him. He has told you what things you should do, and you have being so far unable to provide tangible reason why you will do otherwise.

Yet Ingersoll and others have shown the weakness of your God. If he were forgotten, then why have I been able to quote his works? Numbers issues commands from your God so that is still up for you to see. I'm already doing otherwise by refusing to follow your depraved God.
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by Image123(m): 10:25pm On Feb 17, 2015
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Make good use of your Shiva given intellect and be reasonable.
Learn to think for yourself instead of lazy mimicry. This is intellectual laziness and i do not expect it from extremists like you. You need to know what you are doing and why.


Why didn't he create man perfect?
When you meet God, ask Him why He did not create man perfect. However, in my little capacity, i thunk you should be more specific in your definition or use of the word "perfect". But like my signature says however, i will quote.
Psa 66:7 He ruleth by his power forever; his eyes behold the nations: let not the rebellious exalt themselves. Selah.

It is called free will, He exercised His free will and created man good, allowing man to grow to perfection. He created the earth and the planets to precision without need for growth or perfection in the sense. He created the angels and all the innumerable living creatures in Heaven to precision without need for growth or perfection in the sense. Then He decided to create us as it pleases Him.
Psa 135:6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.



Good to see you accept that your God asked people to kill even their own children for him. If you asked your child to kill his own child for you, then I'd say you're also callous. Giving the excuse that God knows death is only a passage to eternity and is good, then why don't you go around giving your children this passage to eternity?
i never denied that God asked ABRAHAM(not people in the plural) to sacrifice his son Isaac, a command which God Himself did not allow Abraham to fully obey. But you have been squirming sheepishly in your seat instead of openly accepting the plain fact that nobody ever killed his/her child because God told him/her to do so. i am not God and i do not create human life, neither do i determine where people go when they die. On the other hand, God created human life, He made Isaac and gave him to Abraham and can give him another if He so chooses. He also determines that Isaac join Him in paradise immediately he dies here on earth. Any persons that go around giving children this passage to eternity is a murderer going to hell, and not fulfilling the purpose of God. Imagine such persons killing you, or Jesus, or David, or Moses, or Paul as a baby. These people had more important purposes to fulfill on earth before going to paradise, killing them as babies will be inimical to the plan.
BTW, i do not say/think that everything in this book must be considered the literal truth. Some things are symbolic.




You keep on deliberately missing points that are clear. Are you really unable to see the difference between deliberately killing a 6 month old baby and killing the father who your God says was a theif? Why shouldn't God "forgive" this baby who hasn't done anythign wrong other than being born? Actually, your Bible does teach that people deserve hell just for being born. This is why you should read your Bible to know the evil it teaches.
You can simply show me where, i can be grateful you know. i do not know or understand your fixation for 6 month olds, just like i do not understand why you advocate the millions of killings/abortions done annually. However, if God(the Omniscient) sees your profile and graph, and says it is better for you to die as a baby and go to paradise for eternity, than to live on on earth for 50years or more and go to hell, i think that is a good deal. At least, God left some of them alive and you are still complaining and making crazy insinuations. The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will.




So your God wanted to create imperfect people but command them to be perfect? This makes no sense at all. Neither Apple nor Samsung claim to be perfect yet they've done a much better job than your God. And they have warranties on their products. Your God just sends people to hell for his own laziness and creating imperfect people.
Yes, God commands that we be perfect and we can be. He commanded the trees and the animals too and they do His command. The Heavens do His command. Many men also do His command and will be spending eternity with the perfect God. Get on the train already.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;






It is absolutely absurd. His character, laws, the Bible are immoral. His followers are sometimes immoral if they think as you do that genocide is sometimes right. The good followers are those who reject your God's evil desires.
Lol, i noticed you are reading Twain and Sagan, high time you dumped that Inger of a soul. i have never thought genocide is sometimes right. What are God's evil desires?




Why don't you answer the question you quoted? Or have you already forgotten what genocide is?

If God commands the killing of old people, all males, babies and adults while keeping the young female babies and virgins is that a good thing? Please answer this one too.

All you're saying as far as I can see is that you think genocide is sometimes good.
i answered the question long time ago already, same act different actors perspective. God is not a man. If man does it, it is genocide, never good. If God does it, it is God and His business and property, always good.
Psa 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

What is wrong with you? Can't you read? I said the formation of the earth is not the theory of evolution so your question there makes an improper assumption. Man is an ape based on the definition of apes by biologists. If you think humans are felines, then say so.
Improper assumption? Okay, sorry then. The definition of apes by biologists? What about the definition of man by God or by sensible people? You say man is ape but you will criticize him for behaving like an ape, won't you?


What do Numbers 31:1 and 31:25 say?

All you're doing is proving my point by showing that your God is confused. First he says genocide is okay, then his so-called son says that people should love others. Why do you reject the fact that he gave the command in Numbers 31? Or are you saying that the commands given in Numbers were good?

No the reason why I haven't is because I am better than your God. Why is God stopping him why doen't he destroy the devil? Or is the devil too powerful for him? You need to reject your God to save you from your dishonesty, lies, perversions and persistent depression.
Numbers 31:1 and 31:25 simply show that Numbers is the Word of God just like the other books, and in this case Romans and Matthew. Matthew 5 is a direct quote from Jesus who is God. Romans 5 is also Scripture. They are all the Word of God. Again, God does not command me or you to obey or emulate what you refer to as 'God's hate'. Contrariwise, He specifically says not to. Give reasons why you will not obey God's command to love, you have not given. God is not confused, neither am i. You are the only confused one here. The Bible clearly states and demarcates two testaments, there is an OLD testament and there is a NEW testament/agreement. How you missed that is a pity.
God does not need to destroy the devil, He already judged the devil. His sentence is clear, it is your sentence that is not yet clear. It is after you die that you will be judged, make sure you are not guilty by accepting Jesus.
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.


Reward? Are you mentally unbalanced? He could have prevented it all. How was it more okay? Was Job supposed to just forget that he had children who were murdered while your God looked on? Honestly the sort of depravity you religious people exhibit is just sad.
Psa 127:3 Lo, children are a heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
Children are always reward from God, it is not reward in the sense you probably misunderstood. It is not reward for Job's trials. Whether Job lost children or no, children remain a heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. It is more okay because today, we have the book of Job and Job has served as a cushion, relief, encouragement and source of inspiration for millions in the past, today and in the future. Things were okay before i wrote my secondary school examinations, and i don't think i would have died or automatically become a failure in life if i did not write the exams. In fact, writing the examinations brought me a lot of hardwork, study and diligence and introduced a possibility of failing the exams. But i passed and so did Job. Job knows that death is not the end, neither was he as hopeless and purposeless as the atheist. He knew though painful to the flesh, that his children were in safe hands and that he will see them afterwards. They had simply gone home and left this world where we are strangers and pilgrims. Stop crying more than the bereaved, beware the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

You forgot to shed more light on this FACT of no afterlife, Or is it your FAITH at work again?


In other words, it was a crime for people to think freely when it comes to worshipping God. Calling it treason doesn't change the fact that your God made it a crime to think. I have thus demonstrated my part. You on the other hand have decided to delude himself by calling it treason to think for oneself.
Disobedience is not thinking freely. Students shouldn't think freely that they can commit exam malpractice while writing exams, i cannot think freely of riding against traffic or driving at above speed limits. Truth is absolute and exclusive. Leaving and ignoring the ambits of truth and the law does not equal to free thinking. You have demonstrated nothing. Your heroes(Korah, dathan and Abiram) were planning a secession or sedition. If you think that sedition and secession are not crimes or treasonable, well it further proves how depraved, immoral and a sinner that you are. A sinner must sin i guess. You need the Saviour Jesus.




More empty assertions I see.
You had better take good note. i thank God that they are assertions that you cannot refute, you could only mutter in deep pain. It will only be foolery to glibly assume that God needs all His creatures(including humans) to achieve His purpose. It is a privilege and not a right for humans to go anywhere called heaven. Make no mistakes again in your life, God is not desperate to get all humans into heaven.
Lol at Sagan complaining in pain and accepting that there was any competition for God. He knew shiva and the other props you dream of were nothing.
Psa 86:8 Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works.
Psa 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.


And I have clearly stated reasons for avoiding your God. His callousness, his evil nature, his ignorance and incompetence. You really should agree with my reasons since the Bible shows this fact.
You have being perpetually unable to prove your allegations and accusations. Your talk has been very cheap.


I hope you know that your imaginary God does not own human life even though you claims he does.
i do not know any imaginary God, do you?
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by Image123(m): 10:27pm On Feb 17, 2015
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It is written in Numbers 31 that your God wanted sex slaves. So God can spend your $10 on your table? Well if he spends mine, he is a worse thief than Mr. Thief since he even has his own infinite treasures but chose to spend my meager allotment.
This is your dishonesty on full display. Is that the entire sentence? Do you think people who command genocide should be punished?
Perhaps, you are relying on the power of repetition, but even repetition cannot help you in this case. All you need to do is post the passage that says God wanted sex slaves, or better still lay thine hand upon thy mouth. Accept that you were foolishly wrong again.
i did not say anything about God spending $10, where did you get that? Do you ever employ critical thinking or you are simply past it? If i spend my $10, it is okay, if Mr THIEF spends my $10, it is not okay but tantamount to stealing/theft. God OWNS human life, think now and get it in Jesus' name.
BTW, people who command genocide should be punished, i have said why several times, they cannot create human life neither do they own it. It is you who unfortunately cannot "see why a limited human(referring to your kinsmen Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot) who doesn't know it all and has limited power should be punished for genocide".



Yes I read that. But I've also read that aliens visit us here on earth, that there are faeries and that there is some Loch Ness monster. Unlike you, I don't believe everything I read.
Wow, this is almost a miracle. You answered, i have been hoping to get you to answer this simple question since since. So, why do you believe (and act from what you read) that God is immoral and reading the same book, you do not believe other things about the same God? Suspended thinking again?


Actually you can. Besides, your God dehumanized, polarized, hated and tried to exterminate those he issued the command against.
Obviously, you are not thinking.




It hasn't because they're still better than your God. Though it has led your Biblical characters to evil and worse.
Good boy, i like this honesty, i guess the demons controlling you were on a journey when you were allowed to answer this. So you have said that the Bible has not led your christian relatives to evil or worse, contrary to your wild allegations that God's word leads people to evil and worse.


You should heed your warning.
Already did, you should.


The degree of your self delusion is truly remarkable. Why were the male children killed? Do you get househelps today by killing all the male members of their families? Adultery? Are you insane? How many wives did they have? How many of those Biblical patriarchs had children by their "househelps"?
It's truly amazing the depths to which you'll sink to defend the indefensible.
Shiva who created your God determined what you can or cannot say about being good or moral. He has whispered it to me so you should take my word for it.
Your royal shamefulness should drop this madness already. Your ludicrous idea is not in the Bible but only a product of your depraved and perverted mind. Simply prove your allegations or keep quiet and make no more gaffes.


He told me so. You don't understand that passage. That passage means that you're the one who has been sent the strong delusion.
Delusion is not worth the effort.


Who ordered the killings? Read your Bible and you'll see that your God supports the things I mentioned. Regardless of what you say, I'm still better than your God.
You lied that God supports abortion, fornication, unforgiveness, indecency, hate more than you. Simply prove your cheap talk. While as a sinner that you are, you can afford to lie and deceive, i cannot. So i request that you prove your lies or at least be intelligent about it.





I have pointed it out. As I've said, your problem is with the English language. Learn to use it and you'll have your answers. You can consult a dictionary for the meaning of any words that you find confusing.
Point it out again please, i missed it. cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy You have seen that to have is to own ko?


Yet Ingersoll and others have shown the weakness of your God. If he were forgotten, then why have I been able to quote his works? Numbers issues commands from your God so that is still up for you to see. I'm already doing otherwise by refusing to follow your depraved God.
God never said you should follow Him as Judge, in fact He has stated otherwise several times. He is the Judge and Avenger and you are to leave judgement and vengeance for Him. He has told you what things you should do, and you have being so far unable to provide tangible reason why you will do otherwise.
Re: Let's Talk About Love. by Princiology(m): 5:39pm On Jun 14, 2019

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