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|How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:57pm On Nov 15, 2014|
When offered a copy or speaking with LDS missionaries, how should Christians respond to The Book Of Mormon?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by Nobody: 11:03pm On Nov 15, 2014|
Wats about the book anyways
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:44pm On Nov 18, 2014|
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:12pm On Nov 20, 2014|
Question: "How should Christians view the Book of Mormon?"
Answer: When Mormon missionaries (properly called Latter Day Saints or simply "LDS" ) come to your door, they will often offer a free copy of the Book of Mormon and tell you about its author, Joseph Smith. Smith, they will say, translated the Book of Mormon from golden plates he dug up in a hill in New York in the early 1800s. This is supposed to confirm his calling from God as the new prophet on the earth in these latter days. Further, they will tell you that the Holy Ghost will confirm the truth of the Book of Mormon by producing good feelings in you. Next will come the invitation to "read the Book of Mormon, pray, and ask God to show you it is true." Of course you must do this with sincerity, or it won't work.
Before you fall to your knees, there are some things you need to know that they are not telling you (and won't unless you ask). The first concerns many LDS beliefs that separate them from historical, orthodox Christianity. These are not found in the Book of Mormon. In fact, there is really very little in that book that is doctrinally disagreeable to orthodox Christians. The real meat of Mormonism is found in their other scriptures, The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. These books, however, Mormons do not hand out at the door—and for good reason. If people knew up front what they were really going to be asked to believe (things such as God once being a man, denial of the Trinity, Satan being Jesus' brother, pre-existence of souls, etc.), they may not be quite so willing to put aside their skepticism.
The second thing to realize is that in accepting the Book of Mormon, one is, in fact, accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet. So what about this test of a prophet? Isn't it legitimate to "give this question up to God?" No, it isn't. This is because God has already revealed His test for would-be prophets, and it has nothing to do with prayer or feelings, and God has no obligation to answer prayers that He has already answered! We do not have to ask God whether or not we should rob a bank or murder someone. Rather, James 1:5 says, "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God . . . and it will be given to him." Wisdom is applied knowledge, not lack of it.
God never tells us to pray about what is true. When we want to know how tall a wall is, we don't pray about it; we get something that we know is true (a ruler) and compare it to the wall. The Bible, God's Word, is true. That is our measuring stick for truth. See Acts 17:11, for example, which describes a group of people who were considered noble because when Paul came to them with the Christian message they "received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so."
Feelings are unreliable because they are subjective, easy to produce, and are not meant to discover facts but to tell us how we feel about facts. Psychological persuasion techniques, intensity, eye contact, or mere desire can produce feelings that feel real because they are real! But real feelings are still just letting us know how we are reacting to something, not the truthfulness of that thing. The Mormon missionary handbook specifically details these techniques, and missionaries go through training on how to persuade people before they ever leave the house.
What are the biblical tests for a prophet? They are in God's Word: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 says, "You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." Did Joseph Smith ever claim "in the name of the LORD" that something would happen when it did not? Yes—many times, in fact.
Joseph Smith prophesied that New York would be destroyed if they rejected the [Mormon] gospel (D&C 84:114-115). He also prophesied that the rebellion of South Carolina and the War Between the States would result in war being poured out upon all nations; slaves would revolt; the inhabitants of the earth would mourn; famine, plague, earthquake, thunder, lightning, and a full end of all nations would result (D&C 87). Oddly, this prophecy is the one most often cited by Mormons to prove Joseph Smith's prophetic power!
Further, Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says that "if a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, ‘Let us follow other gods’ (gods you have not known) ‘and let us worship them,’ you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul." Did Joseph Smith lead his followers to other gods? Yes.
Joseph Smith was a polytheist. History of the Church 6:474 records Smith stating, "I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods." Joseph Smith declared that "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345). This is clearly not the biblical God.
Galatians 1:6-7 says that people may be "turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all . . . trying to pervert the gospel of Christ." And Paul pronounced a curse upon them for doing so. In Romans 1:16 Paul tells us that the gospel is "the power of God unto salvation"—that's pretty important. Did Joseph Smith teach a "different gospel"? Yes.
Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon contains the "fullness of the gospel." The Book of Mormon says so itself in its introduction (see also Doctrines and Covenants 20:9; 27:5; 42:12; and 135:3). So what is the gospel according to Mormonism? It's a tough question for many LDS to answer. According to Mormon apostle Bruce McConkie, author of the book Mormon Doctrine, the gospel is "the plan of salvation [that] embraces all of the laws, principles, doctrines, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to save and exalt men." In other words, the whole of Mormon theology. In the Mormon gospel we see belief + repentance + baptism + laying on of hands + temple work + mission work + church ministry + tithing + ceasing from sin + abstaining from the use of intoxicants and strong drinks and tobacco and caffeine + confessing Joseph Smith as Prophet + temple marriage + baptism for the dead + genealogy research . . . the list could go on and on and on. Only upon completion of all these things may Mormons attain to the third and highest level of heaven, thus achieving the ultimate goal of the Mormon gospel—godhood. (see McConkie, Mormon Doctrine 116-117; Book of Mormon [3 Nephi 27:13-21]; Doctrines of Salvation 1:268; 18:213; The 4th Article of Faith; Smith, Gospel Doctrine pg. 107; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 3:93; 3:247; 9:312; Gospel Principles 290; Doctrine and Covenants 39:5-6; 132:19-20). In essence, Christ's death means nothing more to a Mormon than the gaining of the ability to be resurrected so that his works may be judged.
While we cannot judge another person's motives, we can and must judge what a person does or says. Joseph Smith, and hence the Book of Mormon, fails the twin tests of Deuteronomy 13 and 18. God takes false prophets very seriously. Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says, "That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God...; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you." Deuteronomy 18:19-21 says, "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death..." And Galatians 1:8-9 says, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"
The gospel is God's power to bring us to Him. He will not stand for those who pervert it. He has given us the ability and the responsibility to discern whether or not the gospel is being tampered with. We must carefully investigate the claims of the LDS if we are to follow what God has commanded. In fact, we are invited to judge by Mormons themselves: "Convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any" (LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.15).
(Editor’s note: many of the references in our articles on Mormonism are Mormon publications, such as Mormon Doctrine, Articles of Faith, Doctrines of Salvation, History of the Church, Doctrine and Covenants, and so forth. Others are from the Book of Mormon itself, e.g., books such as 1 Nephi, 2 Nephi, and Alma.)
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Mormon.html#ixzz3Jbt9rrZw
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 1:36pm On Nov 20, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:You don't know what the book is about and yet you are directing people on how to "react" to it....?
Anyways olaadegbu I would like to ask you a question,are humans animals?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:39pm On Nov 20, 2014|
No. Humans are created in the image of God.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 1:42pm On Nov 20, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:Do humans have anything relating to them like animals?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:54pm On Nov 20, 2014|
Their bodies were made by the same Grand Designer, the infinite uncreated Creator.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 2:01pm On Nov 20, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:So you claim....and can you explain why this verse says humans are like animals?...
Ecclesiastes 3:18-20 New International Version (NIV)
I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that
they may see that they are like the animals. Surely the fate
of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate
awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the
same breath ; humans have no advantage over animals.
Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all
come from dust, and to dust all return.
So how can you say humans aren't animals when it was established in your bible that every "test" is to show you that you are an animal?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:24pm On Nov 20, 2014|
Human beings are tripartite. When their spirits are separated from the Spirit of God because of sin then they become deprarved and begin to live like animals and believe that they are just animals with no morals.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 2:35pm On Nov 20, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:Being an animal has nothing to do with morals...but on general shared characters...like being heterotrophic and possessing a large body surface area only traversed by oxygenated/de-oxygenated blood..
Even still,that verse has already established that every "test" or event you experience is to show you that you are no different than an animal...
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:52pm On Nov 20, 2014|
You don't just take one verse and run with it, you have to balance it up with other verses to get the whole picture. Now read the verses below:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:26-28.)
You can see from these verses that humans possess a created entity, known as the "image of God," which is an eternal spirit capable of communion and fellowship with God, but if you deny the existence of God then you will have to live and die like animals.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 3:39pm On Nov 20, 2014|
That verse mentioned nothing about believing or not believing,it just said humans are no different than animals..
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:10pm On Nov 20, 2014|
I know you don't understand spiritual things but let me just leave this verse with you to ruminate upon.
"Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth" (Ecclesiastes 3:21).
The spirit of man is the aspect of humans that communicates with God's Spirit, it returns to God at death. Animals do not have this.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 4:39pm On Nov 20, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:So the bible contradicted itself?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:53pm On Nov 20, 2014|
No. It's just you who is unable to discern it.
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14).
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 4:57pm On Nov 20, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:what are the "things of the spirit"? and is the bible the only "spiritually inspired book"?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:20pm On Nov 20, 2014|
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).
Just as God breathed into the nostrils of Adam and Adam became a living soul likewise God has breathed out His Words for holy men of God to record for us to discern spiritually. For you to properly discern the Word of God your spirit body has to be reawakened or born again.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:37pm On Nov 25, 2014|
Another mouth stopper.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by braintext(m): 9:38pm On Dec 07, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:Another copy and paste
Lemme tell you, you didn't prove anything there in the post i quoted.....
You better study the Lords church before you say things you don't know...
I hope you know what God does to people that bring division to his church??...
You better say things that when asked on the last day will be able to qualify you to make Heaven
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:11pm On Dec 08, 2014|
Your emotional outburst did not debunk the facts in the OP, try again but this time arm yourself with facts.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by braintext(m): 1:41pm On Dec 10, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:I can't see any fact there... That's just a piece of crap
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by Horus(m): 3:08pm On Dec 10, 2014|
It’s sad how the Mormons who were founded by a man named Joseph Fielding Smith (1805-1844 AD), and now refer to themselves as The Church of Latter Day Saints, have actually succeeded in deceiving many Africans into joining their congregation without telling them the root and seed of racism in their doctrine. According to them, the only black person in Mormon Heaven is the faithful servant of Joseph Smith – Abel Burns; and Blacks can become Mormons, but not priests and neither can they enter Mormon Heaven, how racist. As a matter of fact, when Mr. Abel’s nephew – Eugene Burns passed on, a Mormon patriarch, even repeated the Mormon belief, that he, being a Black will not be able to enter Mormon Heaven. This racist thinking is not found anywhere in any of the ancient tablets. Not withstanding, Africans are ignorant as to how they ever came up with the curse of Ham being black people. In light of what the bible says about the curse of Canaan, describing white spots in the skin (Leviticus 13:38) which the Jehovah’s Witness claim in their books, and I quote from them, page 407 of Did Man Get Here By Creation Or Evolution?, “Black race from Cush, not due to curse of Canaan, whose descendants were white.”
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:53pm On Dec 10, 2014|
It is really sad.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:17pm On Dec 13, 2014|
It depends on what you set out to see.
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:53pm On Dec 16, 2014|
Where is davien?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 7:16pm On Dec 16, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:I've been pre-occupied lately with work....
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:44pm On Dec 16, 2014|
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 7:50pm On Dec 16, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:what would I need an excuse for?..And by the way I noticed you subscribe to Kent/Eric hovind YEC apologetics'....
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:20pm On Dec 16, 2014|
Have you got a problem with that?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by davien(m): 9:17pm On Dec 16, 2014|
OLAADEGBU:Yes....kent hovind is a known convicted charlatan posing a fake phd gained from an unaccredited university and his son is a man that basically believes evolution is about organisms being produced by rocks and among other things,believes in a flintstones reality'...and rejects solar fusion.. how can i not have a problem with the spread of willfull dishonesty?
|Re: How Should Christians Respond To The Book Of Mormon? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:35am On Dec 17, 2014|
Talk is cheap. It's either you supply the evidence for your allegations or forever hold your peace.
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