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OLAADEGBU: Your fishy morality just takes advantage of the situation to please yourselves. If your Government reduces the age of consent for sex to 13 would you not take advantage of the situation?

Olorun kile leyi how does what i said have anything to do with this reply. How does reducing the age of consent have anything to do with the optimizing of the potential of the society and its individual members? religious folks even with the benefit of the doubt they are just what they are.

OLAADEGBU: It sums up your fishy morality in a few words.



Since some folks believe that it is right to kill unborn babies while others think there's no problem with killing people of other religions or ethnicities and some think it's OK to be racists. Tell me, whose position shall we follow if we are to be subjective in our moral code of conduct? Are you saying we are all right, shouldn't there be a line drawn in the sand somewhere?



Absolute morality doesn't comport with atheism and that's why you say that morality is subjective. When push comes to shove, as one of the fishes depicted in the cartoon found out, you will realize that morality is not a personally subjective choice.

I will not slander upon you because you have shown some aptitude and a level of intelligence not synonymous with most religious folks. What people don't understand is that the highest form of morality is actually atheism because it is not born out of fear of eternal damnation like Christianity or Islam but a desire to know the unknowable and to create an utopia like heaven on earth.Their is little guilt or need of been saved because we believe we are the architects of the earth and everything evil and good in it is as a result of our activities and not demons or gods. We hope to instill in people this sense of transcendence beyond mortality a sense of unity and direction one purpose which is greatness beyond the stars. Building colonies on other planets and harvesting energy directly from the sun. It is a vision unreachable if bigoted fanatics run about blowing themselves up. and if people decide to accept the easy answers the Islamic novels provide. No we are the architect of our greatness our demise and are bound for damnation as long as people preach difference separateness and lack of unity.I will not strip you of your right to believe but don't be gullible and have a thirst for knowledge like we do and don't use religion as a tool to cause disharmony. Truth be told atheism is not born of fear but of truth and not of lies and with no end profit but transcendence of humanity to the point of almost beyond mortality. That if past generations were to see the works of our minds we would be referred to as Gods. That is why we are less likely to be manipulated. You can remain a christian if you want but a fact is a fact even if it does not agree with the novels of a deity.But if shit hits the fan because of these eternal conflicts due to religion. The religious ones will be flayed and the world will witness the wraith a lack of faith has to offer. Practice your faith moderately.

OLAADEGBU: Either you like it or not both atheists and theist have the image of God that makes them do good, one fears the arm of the law while the other obeys God who has absolute morality.

Nope it is not because one fears the arm of the law. It is the realization that if we were all red eyed cannibals their would be no progress in humanity and our chances of self accomplishment and attempts to further humanity will be futile and pointless. Further the chances of our survival in an organised and controlled situation is optimal. That is why atheists agnostics and deists seem to want to control religion. Because we have moved beyond it and it just seems to drag us as a species backwards. with a good enough lawyer and sufficient bribes i can find a loop hole within the law so fear of the law is not a good enough reason to give as why atheist do not kill. Its just that the stress and time spent can be spent immortalizing my name and receiving plaudits and awards. Hence atheist do not fear the law they respect and encourage it because it furthers their agenda and optimizes their chances of survival. Imagine what it would have been like been a free thinker in the stone ages with no laws. we would have been flayed for heresy for opening up the human body to find out how it works. Now you enjoy a long life due to the risk a free thinker took although many were flayed. We have taken the mantle upon ourselves to further humanity so they can become the Gods and determine the point of their existence not as an individual but as a unit. That is why we have problems with religion it creates an individual specific identity. Explaining this will take too much time. Hope i have cleared your doubts.

nora544: You are right because this are two different pair of shoes!

When you read this you will find that many scientist come from the roman catholic church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_scientist-clerics

Many Roman Catholic clerics throughout history have made significant contributions to science. These cleric-scientists include such illustrious names as Nicolaus Copernicus, Gregor Mendel, Georges Lemaître, Albertus Magnus, Roger Bacon, Pierre Gassendi, Roger Joseph Boscovich, Marin Mersenne, Bernard Bolzano, Francesco Maria Grimaldi, Nicole Oresme, Jean Buridan, Robert Grosseteste, Christopher Clavius, Nicolas Steno, Athanasius Kircher, Giovanni Battista Riccioli, William of Ockham, and others listed below. The Catholic Church has also produced many lay scientists and mathematicians.

The Jesuits in particular have made numerous significant contributions to the development of science. For example, the Jesuits have dedicated significant study to earthquakes, and seismology has been described as "the Jesuit science." The Jesuits have been described as "the single most important contributor to experimental physics in the seventeenth century." According to Jonathan Wright in his book God's Soldiers, by the eighteenth century the Jesuits had "contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics and electricity. They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter’s surface, the Andromeda nebula and Saturn’s rings. They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey), the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon effected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light

See you might be right but this doesn't mean the earlier catholic church didn't persecute free thinkers to hold on to power over the masses. please learn or study history of various scientific minds the Catholic church persecuted due to heresies. When they realized their jig was up they tried to pull a fast one. But history cant be changed. You just choose a piece of the picture to suit your prerogative. Please try been less bias with information i have a penchant hatred for confirmation or information bias aka half truths.Truth is the clerics were aware of scientific discoveries and facts they choose to control rather than share it to hold unto power. That is why they have vast archives of knowledge ancient manuscripts and texts no one is privy to access. Because knowledge is power and the power to withhold knowledge is Godly albeit wicked through this knowledge they can control the masses. That is why access to the catholic churches archives is impossible. When given consent to research you are ascribed a patrol officer to monitor you and prevent you from access to certain knowledge. The problem i have is what are they hiding.

eduson33: do good,forsake evil,
for what so ever a man sow,he shall reap.


HONOR AND WORSHIP THY CREATOR.
at least you can be on the good side no matter what eternity will look like.

where do these trolls come from? This is an intellectual conversation pls save your bull..sh.t for slower minded fuc.kwits.

Mranony: Interesting. I didn't know you are now into the prophetic ministry to know exactly what I will say especially since I'm the one insisting that it is more appropriate to discuss biblical things using the bible.
You claim you agree with wikipedia and wikipedia agrees with the bible. You also claim that it is possible for born again people to be murderers in heaven. Would you care to show from scripture how you came to that conclusion?



Abeg keep quiet. If it was the question you wanted to ask, why add the red herring since you knew it was irrelevant to the question you wanted to ask in the first place? If you really wanted an answer you should have simply asked the question instead of attaching an irrelevant addon.

I'll answer your question thus: I know there is no sickness in Heaven because that's the how Heaven is by definition. In the same way I know that there is no civilian in the army because that is how the army is by definition. If you think there is sickness in Heaven, you are welcome to show this from scripture

why do people take this fuc..ktard seriously

Mranony: Lol, do you even know what a responsibility is? The fact that you want to do something does not place a responsibility upon you to do it

this guy is just jokes

Mranony: You see my problem with you here is that your argument is not consistent. If your argument is that life just happens, then if the kids suffer and die it is just their luck, if the kids survive and live healthy, it is also just their luck. Likewise, if you help them, it is just their luck, if you don't help them, it is also just their luck. Whether you are rich or poor it is just your luck, whether they suffer or not it is also just their luck. Whether you help or not, life just happens. Where then exactly does the "responsibility" you are talking about come from?


P/s: I'm assuming that by "providence" you actually mean chance because providence really means divine guidance and if that's what you mean then you would have conceded that God put you in such a position to help those children.

He does so because he wants to you dimwit. He is changing the world as he sees fit because he has earned the power to do so.

onitshaigbo: God curse this dammd oyibo! This one knows he is going straight to the deepest pits of hell, but he wants to drag as many with him as possible!

Who put this filth on NL? Your doing the oyibo's bidding against the blackman. Don't you know that the only hope for Africa and the blackman is the Gospel and the Blood of Jesus? When we were ignorant of His Holy Grace, we were easily overcome by the oyibos who subjugated and colonised us, even to this day! The only way we can free ourselves is through following in Christ, being His Church and His Body.

To propagate Atheist writings is tantamount to aid the oyibos in enslaving the blackman spiritually! The oyibos have also tried to introduce homosexuality into Africa, but so far the force of God has kept them out.

No Atheist can be a loyal African. To them, the Science of the wicked oyibos is their god and they will worship what the oyibo scientists say.

Yet the God that love Africa leaves its people to walllow in abject poverty and die like flies.They have very little motive against blacks. The are more concerned with maintaining their vast wealth, great health care and superb living standards

Proffdada: yet again your ignorance precedes you most inventions and inventors originates from studying the bible. technological advances are made everyday by inspirations from the scriptures

psudo intelectual at best

Kafprofiler: All d naturalists n scientists in the house abeg i want to ask some questions o 'u say u bliv in evolution abi okay man don bcom since so many years ago wat has man evloved to /changed to ?una don hear say dem born any pikin wey him dna dey different from normal human being own? Wit d current age of tech we get nw we suppose fit predict our next stage of evolution nw abeg shey we go get wings so we cn fly ?u knw following evolution theory we moved from sea to land ,wer we dey move to now se na air or space or we go go bck to sea?since we evolved shey we suppose chop banana because banana dna resemble our own by 50 percent those wey dey chop chimpanzee na una brother una dey chop so o 99 percent dna resemblance no b beans o. answers please na beg i beg o abi science or nature neva evolve reach al dis place dem?

Proffdada: Mary wasn't defiled when she conceived,she was pure n clean

leorayvon: Its because of what this pounds of flesh called preachers do, if u understand that some of them were never chosen by God then u will ask God to show u the truth, God is true and real. Have u wondered who services the sun, why hv the so called scientist not bEen able to get so close to the sun? Do u know its maker? Do u knw there are 600 angels paddling the course of the sun? My dear God is true and alive,

Face palm . No pls don't, just don't. Naija has a long way to go ohhh

ooman: ^^^^you are in a state of great personality disorder.

You really think the spirit world exist based on what exactly? the bible?

You know what i believe is true? That it is Sango who causes thunder always because the book of Sango worshipers say so and no matter what i now know to cause thunder, that is just a lie, it is Sango that causes thunder always.

How does that logic sound to you?

Guy the stupid exist to be ruled by their superior intellectuals. Its the way the world works get with the script. That nigga has been brainwashed let him live his pointless life

Apatheist: LMFAO.
I do not believe in any god, or God, or gods, whatever.
The character Yahweh in the Judeo-Christian book of myths is an asshole and a hypocrite, same goes for the character Allah in the novel, Qu'ran.

I love this

Joshthefirst: Lol. A foolish proud man who thinks his thinking is correct and others are false simply because he is irreligious.

Unable to realize his state because his neck is too high in the clouds.

Come down and stop speaking loftily, eve if you were passing a valid point, no one would listen to your airy words unless they had to, or they are of like minded shallow pride.

Sorry if my post offended you but he was displaying ignorance. Furthermore i have a religion but i am not an active practitioner. Furthermore i am far from most sub humans and am far learned to understand science is not 100% accurate and various theories can be easily debunked with time. The technology and knowledge available is insufficient to sway me completely to the side of the atheist or the theist. But i will not let some 2000 year old book dictate my existence. I am a cross between a deist or deism agnostic and a christian its a complex mix but as long as i confess Jesus as my savior regardless we will all sing hakunna mata ta (that is the eternal loop hole in the bible). I am far from foolish but would give you the benefit of the doubt and not slander upon you. And no my pride isn't shallow if you knew me you'd realize how insignificant your existence is. I am not proud just factual. Pls stay of my case

Joshthefirst: Lol. A foolish proud man who thinks his thinking is correct and others are false simply because he is irreligious.

Unable to realize his state because his neck is too high in the clouds.

Come down and stop speaking loftily, eve if you were passing a valid point, no one would listen to your airy words unless they had to, or they are of like minded shallow pride.

Sorry if my post offended you but he was displaying ignorance. Furthermore i have a religion but i am not an active practitioner.I am only religious because i was born into it is more of a behavioral or learned activity.Just so you know i am christian.

Apatheist: The priests and monks were very educated,yet they believed foolish things like the earth was round,because the bible said so.
I was trying to show that science and religion could co-exists.

No they believed it was flat the bible even says so. Hence they tried to submerge research and discredit the belief it was round threatning astronomers with heresies and other backwards bull.shi.t. Truth be told Christianity has been one of the most oppressive religions. They committed lots of extra judicial killings in the name of God oppressed scientific research and medicine in the name of heresy and killed anyone who didn't oblige. That is why Illuminati came about. It was established by free thinkers so they could practice and research facts and share their discoveries in secrecy hidden from the persecutions of the catholic church.The Illuminati means the enlightened ones

Guess I will have to repeat this. Do you believe animals who engage in homosexuality are also suffering from mental disorders? And if so what do you think can be done to cure it?

Animals also engage in peadophillia . The sea lion and otter a times both rape their younglings to death. So should humans also rape their kids to death?

Rayhut: Those doubting the existence of God should answer this one question,where is the source of juju,voodoo,witchcraft and supernational powers.This powers are they real or not.If they are real where is the source from

Please get an education.

PastorAIO: He won't understand what you are getting at here. He has lost the capability. He's literally given up the ability to make ethical and moral considerations for himself and it shows in his character.

Pls save your preaching for your mugu congregation

DoctorStephen: Last year, the mission to save Nigeria started-what mission?

The prayer and fasting for Nigeria, every 10th day of the month. Unfortunately, it was turned down.
Now, we have ebola to deal with, in addition to corruption and bokoharam. Shouldn't we now pray?

However, should everyone pray?

God listens to everyone's prayer, and answers them according to his will, who have dealt with the sins in their lives.

Now, Ebola and Bokoharam, amongst others are the tools of the enemy. Only God can destroy them. But should God? That's why we should pray!

1. We should pray that God should give us all a change of heart, so we may stop destroying this nation with our own hands.
2. We should pray that God grants us the wisdom to overcome these `evils'
3. That God grants unto our leaders the willingness to tackle these `evils' efficiently.

GOD SHALL HEAR US.
Let's pray, on the 10th of August, 2014, with fasting.

Pray, pray, and pray, until something happens!

God helps those who help themselves instead of praying why dont you do reasearch on the cure for ebola or you know preach to the insurgents.

kestolove95: Ask isreal and the west for wanting to pollute islam d way they polluted xtainity.

Why woud they want to pollute Islam you small minded muslimah. Dont they have better things doing like ending poverty in their countries, exploring space, advancing technology and curing diseases. Pls kill yourself you stupid almajiri. No one gives a rat as.s about your sky daddy only the innocent people you kill.

italo: The Nazi German society would disagree with you.

The Belgian society kills its children.

So which society's view do you represent and why should it supersede those I mentioned above?

Are they lesser societies?

Who made your society the one to define morality for all others?

Please don't just jump to conclusions without facts and looking at various perspectives i don't know where all these pseudo intellectuals got access to internet from. These individuals or societies did these heinous act out of a sense of morality.This is because morality religion and all that bullsh.it clouds ones judgement . Furthermore on a deeper level they must have felt such a moral act such as ethnic cleansing would better their society or lead to the survival of it or themselves as an individual . Sorry to ask but how did you pass your waec. I am barely above 20 and i am educating your sorry ass pls kill yourself. Furthermore morality is a matter of perspective such as the people of Akwa ibom pounded their twins because it was moral. Pls think for yourself don't let a set of ideologies some cave men set for you define you.

italo: That question was not for you.

It was for the only one among you who could even attempt to answer the question:

Why is murder immoral and who defines it so?

You can't even comprehend that I haven't claimed Hitler or ISIS are bad.

You're just scatter-brained.

loool you are a pseudo intellectual for one to answer your questions they would have to bring up works and social theories from Darwinism to social Darwinism to the concept of biological self preservation of ones own gene or genes similar to it. It is the reason why parents die to protect their offspring and why animals of similar genome do not tear at each others throat however if the need for self preservation does overcome that to protect genes similar to it the individual can kill to protect himself or be reduced to acts of cannibalism in times of hunger.There is a scientific term for it but it skips my mind. That is what other commenters have been hinting at in relation to the comments about babbons. Sky daddy worshiper don't sell us your bullshit cause we see right through it.Explaining these concept will take an 300 page essay at minimum which your defunct sub human intelligence can never understand but just know that for the collective survival of a species that species as a society must preserve itself and others to ensure the passing on of genes. This is why even lions don't feed on each other even if one kills another. Wonder what a dumba.ss like you was doing in school. Am sure you must have been praying to sky daddy to pass. P.S am not usually so condescending but i hate dumb people and would support their genocide .I don't really mean this but this fella needs education more

italo: You are just making up conjectures and assumptions for me.

I only asked two simple questions which no atheist can even attempt so far. Rather you choose to rant and evade and

Why is murder immoral?

Who defines it so?

Concerning the bold, is it the individual or the society that defines what is moral?

If it is the individual, then Hitler's actions were not immoral.

If it is the society, then ISIS' actions or Belgium killing children is not immoral.

Agreed?

you peudo humans make me laugh. Must the great sky daddy answer all your wishes

italo: I see how desperate you are to avoid the questions:

Why is murder immoral?

Who defines it so?

No atheist is smart enough to contemplate that, it seems.

Sorry sir what do you do for a living ? Who are you to decide who is smart and isn't. Thats the big joke your great sky daddy played on us critical thinkers. Creating brain dead pseudo humans with sub mammal brains .

italo: Your reasoning is empty.

You claim murder is immoral...but you cannot tell us what makes it immoral and who defines your morality.

That's the emptiness and irrationality of atheism.

You seem to possess at best what one could define as a sub human intellect. You be clouded fanatics. So one cannot legitimately use his own brain and the constitution of the law to define his or her morality. You dear sir are a sheep aka f.ucktard. p.s the most heinous crimes have been done in the name of one divinity or in the sense of morality. From the ethnic cleansing of the Jews by Hitler (a christian ) to the slaying of Christians in Borno by the stupid muslimahs. You rarely hear about atheists or agnostics committing genocide but those with the great sky daddy find it very easy.Who is to say that a sense of morality or lack there of is better.better. Pls kill yourself don't reproduce we need less stupid and gullible people.

She has every right to kill the fetus, fact is it is a part of her and relies explicitly on her for its survival .It is not human because it does not exist independently cause killing an independent creature is termed murder because its organic matter and biological systems are completely independent from the mother after birth.Religious fanatics will still disagree tho.The decision should be as easy as removing a cancerous kidney

Religious fanatics are happy or ecstatic to shed the blood of infidels or non believers. But when it comes to abortion "No". Mehn f.uck you and your sense of morality.