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Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 11:54am On Aug 03, 2014
I just want to hear people's thoughts on this subject matter. I personally believe that to a certain extent it does.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Illuminatus(m): 12:06pm On Aug 03, 2014
I don't know for certain about Islam and how open it is (seeing as I have heard from various sources that it is against Western Education), but Christianity is quite open and definitely promotes education (except some parts). As long as your field of study isn't Astronomy or other disciplines that come against Christian beliefs (Galileo comes to mind here), Christianity is quite open and to level, encourages it.
But education does hold people back from religion. The more enlightened someone becomes, the less intriguing and interesting religion becomes. I think this is the reason for the myth that educated people aren't religious. Enlightenment gotten from education (reading other people's ideas, experiences and scientific facts) exposes some facts and poses some questions that religious people and religion can't answer...

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by elwood: 12:32pm On Aug 03, 2014
the answer i always hear to something contradictory of religion is "god works in mysterious ways...", so they can answer, its just the answer itself for anyone not spiritual/religious is often no answer again!
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by LordReed(m): 1:10pm On Aug 03, 2014
All through history religion and education have many times been at logger heads but in this day and age with technology breaking all the traditional borders religion is very much less of a hindrance. If any religion still poses a hindrance to education it is usually in places where access to information is limited.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Nobody: 2:00pm On Aug 03, 2014
yh, religion does hold people back from becoming educated. Educated in the sense that you've trained your mind to think logically and rationally. Some people just have bunch of certificates even some professors and yet not educated. Why? Because their religion against thinking logically and rationally.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Nobody: 2:12pm On Aug 03, 2014
Objectively speaking, it depends.
At the advent of Islam, Arabic scientists were perhaps the best in the world. There were lots of Arabs that were skeptics (atheist ) See the Islamic Golden Age.
The same with Christianity. Under the aegis of the Catholic Church, catholic priests and monks were very educated, and were bastions of knowledge. The Catholic Church built schools, hospitals, etc. During the height of the Roman Empire.
Jesuit priests are very good.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by PAGAN9JA(m): 2:19pm On Aug 03, 2014
christianity- past yes
now-no

islam- past and now- focus more on madrassah (religious education)
in poorer /backward muslim countries this is the only form of education young muslims receive.


For example in countries like India, the muslims are much backward than the Hindus because the Hindus were quick and open to receive european education . (though unlike foolish Nigerians, they didnt overdo it and throw away their religion, names and culture).


Traditional Religions : Dont interfere on educational or any other human matters.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by uzoexcel(m): 3:41pm On Aug 03, 2014
gbam
LordReed: All through history religion and education have many times been at logger heads but in this day and age with technology breaking all the traditional borders religion is very much less of a hindrance. If any religion still poses a hindrance to education it is usually in places where access to information is limited.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by onetrack(m): 4:04pm On Aug 03, 2014
To borrow from Richard Dawkins, religion teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding the world. This has not been universally true but in many cases people have used religion to stop people from asking too many questions.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 4:35pm On Aug 03, 2014
PAGAN9JA: christianity- past yes
now-no

islam- past and now- focus more on madrassah (religious education)
in poorer /backward muslim countries this is the only form of education young muslims receive.


For example in countries like India, the muslims are much backward than the Hindus because the Hindus were quick and open to receive european education . (though unlike foolish Nigerians, they didnt overdo it and throw away their religion, names and culture).


Traditional Religions : Dont interfere on educational or any other human matters.

I don't agree with your assertion of Islam in the past and present. Some of the most brilliant scholars were Muslims especially those that developed the form of mathematics known as Algebra today. Algebraic equations were done by Muslim scholars. Today, it depends on which country you live in. In Nigeria, what you say holds true. In the UAE, it doesn't

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 4:37pm On Aug 03, 2014
onetrack: To borrow from Richard Dawkins, religion teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding the world. This has not been universally true but in many cases people have used religion to stop people from asking too many questions.

Exactly true. Even in ancient Greece for example that boasted lots of geniuses. Archimedes is a fantastic example. Without him there would be no Einstein.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by PAGAN9JA(m): 4:55pm On Aug 03, 2014
Fulaman198:

I don't agree with your assertion of Islam in the past and present. Some of the most brilliant scholars were Muslims especially those that developed the form of mathematics known as Algebra today. Algebraic equations were done by Muslim scholars. Today, it depends on which country you live in. In Nigeria, what you say holds true. In the UAE, it doesn't

Those scholars mostly belonged to the high class and their knowledge was mostly limited to the higher classes. Also these scholars did not do those advances because of religion. Many did not even have a religious background. some where even slaves serving in the court of baghdad.

Scholars like Omar Al Khayyam were not even proper sunni muslims whose views constantly diverged onto agnosticism/sufi mysticism.

ALso Algebra was already developed earlier by the Pagan Hindu Brahmins, Babylonians and Greeks.

The common man was meanwhile limited to the quran though in some cases, basic mathematics,etc., was taught in school.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by erabe(m): 6:44pm On Aug 03, 2014
Not really,tho u might go through some proves or theories that contradict some laws of your faith but I still think it depends on what you believe in. Basics, know your religion very well perfect your faith b4 or during the course of you getting educated so when it becomes a fundamental in you nothing can get you off the right course
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by nora544: 9:40pm On Aug 03, 2014
Illuminatus: I don't know for certain about Islam and how open it is (seeing as I have heard from various sources that it is against Western Education), but Christianity is quite open and definitely promotes education (except some parts). As long as your field of study isn't Astronomy or other disciplines that come against Christian beliefs (Galileo comes to mind here), Christianity is quite open and to level, encourages it.
But education does hold people back from religion. The more enlightened someone becomes, the less intriguing and interesting religion becomes. I think this is the reason for the myth that educated people aren't religious. Enlightenment gotten from education (reading other people's ideas, experiences and scientific facts) exposes some facts and poses some questions that religious people and religion can't answer...

Sorry that is not tru, the catholic church make very much for the education, the monastery was the center of the education for a very long time and also astronomie.
There are many old Universities in europa who are build from the catholic church.

When you see how many old books the monasteries have here in europa you will look and so many are very old and where written by the hand of monks.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Illuminatus(m): 11:24pm On Aug 03, 2014
nora544:

Sorry that is not tru, the catholic church make very much for the education, the monastery was the center of the education for a very long time and also astronomie.
There are many old Universities in europa who are build from the catholic church.

When you see how many old books the monasteries have here in europa you will look and so many are very old and where written by the hand of monks.
I didn't say that the church is totally against education. It just doesn't like it when education raises answers that threaten it.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by LordReed(m): 4:10am On Aug 04, 2014
Illuminatus:
I didn't say that the church is totally against education. It just doesn't like it when education raises answers that threaten it.

No religion can effectively censor the body of knowledge anymore so whether they like it or not is irrelevant.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by plaetton: 4:24am On Aug 04, 2014
Apatheist: Objectively speaking, it depends.
At the advent of Islam, Arabic scientists were perhaps the best in the world. There were lots of Arabs that were skeptics (atheist ) See the Islamic Golden Age.
The same with Christianity. Under the aegis of the Catholic Church, catholic priests and monks were very educated, and were bastions of knowledge. The Catholic Church built schools, hospitals, etc. During the height of the Roman Empire.
Jesuit priests are very good.

I cannot say about Islam, but the fact that Christian monks and priests were educated does not properly address the issue.

Monks and priests were educated so that they became the previleged class to lord over the uneducated masses. Their education gave them a hegemony of knowledge and control in areas of life.
Therefore, education for the masses had always been a threat to the hegemonic power and control of the priestly class.
It was therefore important to prevent, discourage, or at the least, censor what the uneducated masses were being exposed to.

The word "Heresy" was widely to labelled and condemn any type of education or knowledge that was seen as a threat to the ecclesiastical agenda of the Church.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by tpia1: 5:51am On Aug 04, 2014
some.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by tpia1: 5:52am On Aug 04, 2014
Illuminatus:
The more enlightened someone becomes, the less intriguing and interesting religion becomes. I think this is the reason for the myth that educated people aren't religious. Enlightenment gotten from education (reading other people's ideas, experiences and scientific facts) exposes some facts and poses some questions that religious people and religion can't answer...

where are you getting all this from?

sounds like your imagination.

only someone whose religious beliefs were weak to begin with, would engage in all that.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Illuminatus(m): 6:34am On Aug 04, 2014
tpia1:

where are you getting all this from?

sounds like your imagination.

only someone whose religious beliefs were weak to begin with, would engage in all that.
It isn't from my imagination. Some members of the family hold this idea. Some older adults I have talked to about the subject thought the same thing. Two of my grand uncles who acquired university education don't go to church and the family explains this as it's because they've learnt too much that they don't believe in God. *shrug*
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by tpia1: 6:48am On Aug 04, 2014
you never met any highly educated person who subscribes to religious beliefs?
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Nobody: 10:26am On Aug 04, 2014
plaetton:

I cannot say about Islam, but the fact that Christian monks and priests were educated does not properly address the issue.

Monks and priests were educated so that they became the previleged class to lord over the uneducated masses. Their education gave them a hegemony of knowledge and control in areas of life.
Therefore, education for the masses had always been a threat to the hegemonic power and control of the priestly class.
It was therefore important to prevent, discourage, or at the least, censor what the uneducated masses were being exposed to.

The word "Heresy" was widely to labelled and condemn any type of education or knowledge that was seen as a threat to the ecclesiastical agenda of the Church.
The priests and monks were very educated,yet they believed foolish things like the earth was round,because the bible said so.
I was trying to show that science and religion could co-exists.
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by 1ord: 2:50pm On Aug 13, 2014
Apatheist:
The priests and monks were very educated,yet they believed foolish things like the earth was round,because the bible said so.
I was trying to show that science and religion could co-exists.
No they believed it was flat the bible even says so. Hence they tried to submerge research and discredit the belief it was round threatning astronomers with heresies and other backwards bull.shi.t. Truth be told Christianity has been one of the most oppressive religions. They committed lots of extra judicial killings in the name of God oppressed scientific research and medicine in the name of heresy and killed anyone who didn't oblige. That is why Illuminati came about. It was established by free thinkers so they could practice and research facts and share their discoveries in secrecy hidden from the persecutions of the catholic church.The Illuminati means the enlightened ones

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Dragonking: 4:12pm On Aug 13, 2014
Go to the north alone..you will see several Islamic scholars scattered everywhere yet they refuse to go to school..The FG even lowered the cut off marks for some exams held there to about 4marks out of 100marks yet they still find it difficult to make the score.

Come to the south that claims they have knowledge yet their pastor is the one doing the thinking for them.

So the answer is yes..religion hinders people especially Nigerians from being educated and having logical reasoning.

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 4:39pm On Aug 13, 2014
1ord: No they believed it was flat the bible even says so. Hence they tried to submerge research and discredit the belief it was round threatning astronomers with heresies and other backwards bull.shi.t. Truth be told Christianity has been one of the most oppressive religions. They committed lots of extra judicial killings in the name of God oppressed scientific research and medicine in the name of heresy and killed anyone who didn't oblige. That is why Illuminati came about. It was established by free thinkers so they could practice and research facts and share their discoveries in secrecy hidden from the persecutions of the catholic church.The Illuminati means the enlightened ones

Great and true information

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 4:39pm On Aug 13, 2014
Dragonking: Go to the north alone..you will see several Islamic scholars scattered everywhere yet they refuse to go to school..The FG even lowered the cut off marks for some exams held there to about 4marks out of 100marks yet they still find it difficult to make the score.

Come to the south that claims they have knowledge yet their pastor is the one doing the thinking for them.

So the answer is yes..religion hinders people especially Nigerians from being educated and having logical reasoning.

100% agree

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by CAMNEWTON4PRES: 9:13pm On Aug 13, 2014
Yes

For Islam & Christianity (Protestantism)

And No for Catholicism

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 10:37pm On Aug 13, 2014
CAMNEWTON4PRES: Yes

For Islam & Christianity (Protestantism)

And No for Catholicism

Why isn't Catholicism included? It has notoriety for making males become gay (no offence to gay people I have no enmity towards you.)

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by CAMNEWTON4PRES: 10:43pm On Aug 13, 2014
Fulaman198:

Why isn't Catholicism included? It has notoriety for making males become gay (no offence to gay people I have no enmity towards you.)



Making people become gay while condemning it ? Never heard about that
well because Most Catholics are very well educated, the catholic church is worldwide known for her efforts to provide great education through her numerous
schools and universities
+ if what you said was true the +2b catholics would all b gays

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 10:49pm On Aug 13, 2014
CAMNEWTON4PRES:



Making people become gay while condemning it ? Never heard about that
well because Most Catholics are very well educated, the catholic church is worldwide known for her efforts to provide great education through her numerous
schools and universities
+ if what you said was true the +2b catholics would all b gays

Seriously man you never heard about all these clerics partaking in homosexual acts?

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Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Macelliot(m): 11:25pm On Aug 13, 2014
Fulaman198:

Seriously man you never heard about all these clerics partaking in homosexual acts?
Delusional.....
Just the bad ones among them and they are all from Europe alone... They were prohibited from getting married nor were they allowed to have sex, so it isn't an easy task to remain single till death.
There are more than 12,000 priests in Nigeria alone with more than 100,000 in Africa and no case of homosexual was recorded among them, but only in Europe...
Get the fact!
Re: Does Religion Hold People Back From Becoming Very Educated by Fulaman198(m): 11:36pm On Aug 13, 2014
Macelliot:
Delusional.....
Just the bad ones among them and they are all from Europe alone... They were prohibited from getting married nor were they allowed to have sex, so it isn't an easy task to remain single till death.
There are more than 12,000 priests in Nigeria alone with more than 100,000 in Africa and no case of homosexual was recorded among them, but only in Europe...
Get the fact!

Ok, so then you agree that there are bad eggs in every religion then right? No human being is perfect.

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