spenca:
@op which one be felled again ??

Sorry; but "felled" is a correct term.

Of course the police have been paid off. That is a fact.

The people jumping on this false testimony even forgot the man used the operative word "may". Even as he lied, he left an escape route by stating plausibility rather than fact. If he wants to speak fact, then he would have brought evidence of the controlled demolition (fragments of the explosive) with him.

MadCow1:


Wow!!

Have they answered the most fundamental question pertaining to this building?

Was the building plan followed?

Once they answer that satisfactorily, then we can move on to discuss this their preposterous “controlled demolition".

I just hope the good people of South Africa will demand justice otherwise this will be swept under the carpet before we know it.

mayblossom:


So ordinarily, when it is not controlled demolition, the building should fall one piece a day, without a sound and no appearance of dust? Hmm...which school this pólice man go sef?

Have you ever seen or watched graphics of the difference between building collapse via controlled demolition and collapse via structural defect?
Go watch and apply your common sense (I am presuming you have some)!

Even a 5 story building built with only clay/sand and wood would not come down in one swoop within 3secs.....no matter how poor the structure. Such building collapse would not be associated with exploding dust-like smoke at the lower floors of the building, especially the ground floor.

Our forefathers built houses (some of them multiple story buildings), without any govt approval and with only wooden planks and clay/sand. Some of these houses are still standing for 100 years.....and none of them collapses from the top to the ground floor in 3 seconds......

My brother, think deep and eschew hatred and sentiments!

mikeapollo:


Have you ever seen or watched graphics of the difference between building collapse via controlled demolition and collapse via structural defect?
Go watch and apply your common sense (I am presuming you have some)!

Even a 5 story building built with only clay/sand and wood would not come down in one swoop within 3secs.....no matter how poor the structure. Such building collapse would not be associated with exploding dust-like smoke at the lower floors of the building, especially the ground floor.

Our forefathers built houses (some of them multiple story buildings), without any govt approval and with only wooden planks and clay/sand. Some of these houses are still standing for 100 years.....and none of them collapses from the top to the ground floor in 3 seconds......

My brother, think deep and eschew hatred and sentiments!

Everything you wrote is trash. Hot garbage.

The scripture says “my people perish for lack of knowledge”.

It is funny to note that a lot of Nairalanders have already taken position that the SCOAN collapsed building was done remotely. If this is true, how was it done? The only way this can happen is by “implosion”. Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing on themselves. The opposite of implosion is explosion.

The only recorded case of implosion in Nigeria is the controlled demolition of the abandoned NIDB building, done by Gov. Fashola some few years back.

The process of carrying out implosion requires several bomb-like devices be planted at strategic places all over the building and on different floors. These devices when controlled remotely would trigger off, but rather exploding it implodes. These bomb-like devices could not have been planted easily in the SCOAN building because it is a job that would have taken days to accomplished. All the floors would be drilled to connect the bomb-like devices.

In respect of the demolition of NIDB building, the State Government had to contract a South African company for the job. It was perfectly done such that when the building came down; none of the buildings beside it were affected.

In summary, there is no way the SCOAN building could have been ascribed to implosion, because it is not possible technically. The Police man only made presumption statements and not factual ones; I expected a professional would have been factual in his submissions rather than making conjectures.

Omooba77:
The Homicide Department of the State Criminal Investigation Department, Panti, Lagos, has submitted that the Synagogue six-storey building could have been felled by a techique termed controlled demolition. According to the SCID, controlled demolition is when a building is felled using chemical or electronic device.The position of the SCID was given by the Head, Homicide Investigation and Crime Scene Management at Panti, DSP Olusola Agoyi.

Agoyi testified on Wednesday at the resumed sitting of the coroner, Magistrate O.A. Komolafe, probing the cause of the September 12 tragedy.The accident claimed no fewer than 116 lives.Agoyi, in his testimony, said the speed and the rate at which the Synagogue building caved in, coupled with some dust-like smoke that followed were peculiar elements seen only in a building felled by controlled demolition.

He said, “My Lord, when you use chemical or electronic device to bring down a building, it is controlled demolition.“I found out from the CCTV that the rate and the speed of the fall of the building within seconds was just like that of a controlled demolition.

“Aside that, the CCTV 3 captured some dust-like smoke coming out of the collapsed building.”Further lending weight to his claim, Agoyi referred the coroner to the oral account of one of the 34 survivors that he said were interviewed in the course of his intelligent findings.“

The panel also interviewed one Taiwo Temitayo Taiwo, aged 28 years, one of the surviving victims of the collapsed building and I quote, ‘Immediately the building was coming down, what I saw or heard was like a thunderous lightning accompanied with a sound, hitting the wall as if someone was using a saw to cut an iron, then the house collapsed,'” Agoyi submitted.

SOURCE: http://www.punchng.com/news/synagogue-building-felled-by-controlled-demolition-police/

Please we need smiley for shaking head in disbelief, because with this kind of police saying all these in public not in a fake news report, nobody is safe in Nigeria and the whole country seems hopeless. No wonder we ended up selecting a retarde.d person as our president.

That police guy is not fit to handle sales of pepper and okra in the market

cosade:
The scripture says “my people perish for lack of knowledge”.

It is funny to note that a lot of Nairalanders have already taken position that the SCOAN collapsed building was done remotely. If this is true, how was it done? The only way this can happen is by “implosion”. Implosion is a process in which objects are destroyed by collapsing on themselves. The opposite of implosion is explosion.

The only recorded case of implosion in Nigeria is the controlled demolition of the abandoned NIDB building, done by Gov. Fashola some few years back.

The process of carrying out implosion requires several bomb-like devices be planted at strategic places all over the building and on different floors. These devices when controlled remotely would trigger off, but rather exploding it implodes. These bomb-like devices could not have been planted easily in the SCOAN building because it is a job that would have taken days to accomplished. All the floors would be drilled to connect the bomb-like devices.

In respect of the demolition of NIDB building, the State Government had to contract a South African company for the job. It was perfectly done such that when the building came down; none of the buildings beside it were affected.

In summary, there is no way the SCOAN building could have been ascribed to implosion, because it is not possible technically. The Police man only made presumption statements and not factual ones; I expected a professional would have been factual in his submissions rather than making conjectures.

Stop making noises with ignorance.

For a formal contract job awarded to specialists who do not intend to inflict injuries on nearby buildings/human beings, they will place explosives and dynamite-like materials at strategic places and on several/different floors and walls in order to bring the building down with minimal splattering of blocks, iron rods, pillars etc. Part of the contract will ensure there is minimal collateral damage after the implosion, so there will be extra care to break down the bricks, blocks and iron rods etc into the smallest particles possible.

For a terrorist/sabotage act on a 5-6 story building being used as a guest house/hotel(e.g SCOAN building), the saboteurs/terrorists do not have to wire several/different floors before they can bring the building down and wreck havoc. All they need do is to blow off the ground floor and the whole building will collapse on its weight and cause death/severe injuries to people. That exactly was what happened to the SCOAN building. We have seen enough terrorist attacks at places like hotel, shopping malls etc around the world.
Go see videos of similar attacks/demolitions before you expose your stark ignorance.

Also, the NIDB building is not the only building that has been brought down with controlled demolition. Several other buildings have been brought down in Nigeria with similar technology, at least 2 in Abuja. Watch the SCOAN video and see for yourself,

mikeapollo:


Stop making noises with ignorance.

For a formal contract job awarded to specialists who do not intend to inflict injuries on nearby buildings/human beings, they will place explosives and dynamite-like materials at strategic places and on several/different floors and walls in order to bring the building down with minimal splattering of blocks, iron rods, pillars etc. Part of the contract will ensure there is minimal collateral damage after the implosion, so there will be extra care to break down the bricks, blocks and iron rods etc into the smallest particles possible.

For a terrorist/sabotage act on a 5-6 story building being used as a guest house/hotel(e.g SCOAN building), the saboteurs/terrorists do not have to wire several/different floors before they can bring the building down and wreck havoc. All they need do is to blow off the ground floor and the whole building will collapse on its weight and cause death/severe injuries to people. That exactly was what happened to the SCOAN building. We have seen enough terrorist attacks at places like hotel, shopping malls etc around the world.
Go see videos of similar attacks/demolitions before you expose your stark ignorance.

Also, the NIDB building is not the only building that has been brought down with controlled demolition. Several other buildings have been brought down in Nigeria with similar technology, at least 2 in Abuja. Watch the SCOAN video and see for yourself,

According to you, the ground floor could have been blown off (another conjecture), then how come no bomb residue was found at the site?

Let's pursue your controlled demo theory..

MadCow1: Who heard the explosions that would have preceeded
the event?

Anyone within 5-10 meters of the building as well as those within the building would've heard the bang from the explosions but ofcourse they would've been casualties as well.Why isn't anyone considering interviewing survivors in getting their observations?

MadCow1: Where are that singed walls from where the explosion
hit it?

My bro how will you find the singed walls when they are all beneath the rubble?

MadCow1: How hard is it to find evidence of the explosives used
like dynamite or C4, detonation cords or the remote
controlled devices?

It isn't hard bro, a few materials charred by the explosion would do but have considered the implication of such a finding?[/b]If evidence points to a demolition imagine the multiplicity of arrests, the possible complicity of the police/army and the palpable fear generated from the belief that terror has been unleashed in Lagos on a whole new scale.
[b]Don't you think all these would slow down the pace of investigations into the possibility of a controlled demolition?

MadCow1: How is it possible that someone placed detonation
devices around that building and nobody saw it?

My bro, how did terrorist succeed in sneaking weapons past the airport pass board control, hijack three planes bound for the twin towers and the pentagon (for crying out loud) and succeeded in crashing planes into the then world's tallest building and the world's most sophisticated defence ministry (i stand to be corrected)? If Osama could do that, then what's so hard is planting a few IEDs in strategic locations of the ground floor. Consider this scenario: bribe ushers and SCOAN staff, bribe the police, arrange for visitors to be lodged in the ground floor (accomplices to install the bombs ofcourse), bribe engineers with access to the plan of the building and get a pilot with a plane and a remote detonator and voila you've got a well hatched scheme!

Everyone's got a price but some are more expensive than the others!

MadCow1: You do realise the engineering that goes into a
controlled demolition right? You have to place
explosives at key weight bearing pillars of the building
and detonate them in sequence to achieve the type of
collapse that building collapsed..

Bro the engineering of controlled demolition is not esoteric literature...any good BEng Mech. Eng, Met. and Mat. or Building graduate can achieve that feat!

MadCow1: Did you see any flying
debris in that video?

Observe the clip of the collapse of the SCOAN building, truthfully and without bias, and you'll find flying debris

MadCow1: Did you notice that the collapse
started from one side and rapidly spread across the
building? That's what's called the domino effect...

If you truthfully observe the manner in which the SCOAN building came down vis-a-vis the sample controlled demolitions shown on emmanuel tv you'll see a stricking similarity. In controlled demolitions the time lag between the detonation of explosive is reflected in the manner of collapse. Regions of the building where the explosives go off first will be the first to react to the explosion followed by other regions as the explosives go off progressively. In cases where the building collapses uniformly the explosives go off simultaneously without time lags!

As for your Domino effect theory you are wrong. If that effect was in play that building would have collapsed forward and destroyed the canopies in front of the building rather the building came down longitudinally. So bro the Domino effect does'nt explain the collapse of that building.

Mad Cow: The
collapse would start from the one side and spread across...

This can be explained by the time lags between the progressive detonation of the explosives!

Mad Cow: Everything I saw pointed to gross structural failure and
not an explosion.

If we will ever be OBJECTIVE for once and not driven by HATE, SENTIMENT or DENOMINATIONAL AFFILIATION, we will agitate for a thorough investigative panel made up of foreign experts who would make their findings, publish it and have their findings examined by experts from the scientific community and on the basis of this make arrests and prosecutions...anything short of this would be a mockery of the sensibilities of Nigerians and indeed Nigeria.

mikeapollo:


Have you ever seen or watched graphics of the difference between building collapse via controlled demolition and collapse via structural defect?
[b]Go watch and apply your common sense (I am presuming you have some)

No I don't have any at all. Pls tell me where to acquire some.

ekemini007:
The tin about nigerians is that thy not half as smart as thy give demself credit for. Yes! Am a member of scoan.
People are jst blinded by share hate for this man that even before he speaks hes shot down as a liar!

The first day my engineer friend saw the clip of synagogue buiding calaspe, his exlamation was "ha!.. but this na controled demolition na".

That was hw i even come to know what controled demolition is honestly.
Later i googled footage of controled demolitions and saw similiarities.To be clear i checked on colaspe via structural failure and the truth was all too clear.

The ministry even brought out a vidoe to this effect yet nobody payed any attention.everyone jst wanted this man hanged.

Nigerians pls learn to be more objective in ur analysis and stop band wagon aprroach to everytin.

Salute to the matyrs of faith!

I know they say religion is the opium of the people and you have shown yourself as one who's thinking is no different from the simple minded boko Haram recruit who is oblivous of the issues involved but is looking for escape to heaven bliss from harrowing existence.

Initially rather than take responsibility for a disaster in a building under construction the church started by passing the buck to some hovering aircraft as if it is today that aircraft started flying at low levels around buildings in Lagos. Can your church also show CCTV footage of the last 1 year to see if aircraft don't fly low in the church area. if low flying aircraft is enough to bring down buildings how come the structures in the airport and in settlements near the airport are still standing.

Then from the blues, it is now controlled demolition that is the cause and all of like unthinking cattle are also parroting the new line from your leaders. The question you should have asked is how did intruders gain access into the premisis to plant dynamite at all the necessary pillars maybe up to 100 for such a large building undetected by your security men and CCTV? The quantity of explosive needed would need to be brought in with a truck not in somebody's pocket. Then you have to rig the explosives together so that at the push of a button the explosion will follow the right sequence. How was the rigging done undetected, at the ground floor already occupied and most important what is the motive of the people who demolished the building? To score which point?

I tell you religious fundamentalism whether christian, muslim or hindu is dangerous to the brain and manifests in different dimension be it creating terrorists, unthinking bigots, victim mentality, dislocated values, even hatred of your God given gift of reason that separates you from animals.

The pictures here are from the military operations in Gombi, Pelia and Hong in Adamawa State, where the Nigerian troops mercilessly dealt with the terrorists with the recovery of the towns as well as their destroyed vehicles, hideouts, weapons and ammunitions. While some of the terrorists have been captured alive others were killed in the operation. The Nigerian troops too could be seen in action.




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Davryme:
Nigerians....despite d educatn level nd advanced in technology people dnt really knw wat controlled demolition is.....am sure a lot of us hv seen hw badly contructd buildings collaspe...haba dis is vry glarin......hv u seen d videos of hw NITEL in abuja nd d bank industry building in lagos ws demolished...?

So i ask you ,,,, the Nitel building took how many lives pls ,,,, be sincere o biko,,,,

wisemanG:
many of us don't know wat they call controlled demolition. D controlled demolition u see on internet is to remove d structure and rebuild something else. But this one that occurred came up by God's will. Not that it cannot be change before the occurrence, buh the will of God has to be done. Remember our Lord Jesus Christ, not that He cannot stop His death from happenin, buh it is the will of God for a purpose... So instead of criticizin jst sit back n watch wat God has to say abt this issue... Remember, as truth is older than terror, it will survive it. It got the start n it will get the race.

Oh my Bloody Soul,,,, ,.,,, can you just listen to yourself huh ,,,,? YOU HAVE BEEN TOTALLY BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE NONSENSE ,,,, comon getaway from here! ! ! ! !

I was at the court yesterday, the attitude of the magistrate, Oyetade Komolafe, call for more concern, it look as if he has personal hate for Tb Joshua, interested party and member of the public at the corona court were so anger with the biased attitude been show by the magistrate, he is always visibly harsh on witnesses who gave evidence which seemed to support the controlled demolition theory.

mikeapollo:


What makes the building illegal? Not getting approval or building beyond approved number of floors is not an illegality. The illegality is in the act of people who planted or threw explosives to bring the building down.
There are many buildings in Lagos and Nigeria that are over 100 years hold, but without approval. Yet, virtually all the buildings that collapsed in Lagos and Nigeria had government approval.
Our fore fathers' houses in the villages were never approved, yet they have ben standing for centuries, some of them with multiple floors

Religion has finished the thinking faculty of many Nigerians, their thinking is hardly different from the average boko haram operative, they are just yet to become violent with it.
What the above poster is saying is akin to intellectual terrorism. Can you imagine, not getting approved building plan is not illegal, has the proliferation of churches really had any positive influence on our values, ethics and integrity?

I knew something was fishy the way the building quickly collapsed in a split second. It was just too fast for a structural fault.

Harryjoshua4:
indeed Satan is truly the rural of the world . now that more fact is coming out to prove the real cause of the building collapse, the world is not happy, all what the world want to hear is tbj killed, tbj arrested nor are talking of the real fact on ground. most of those that are talking of bribe have they take time to watch the CCTV footage of the building collapse, let not allow personal hate or sentiment to blind our eyes from the truth. from what I watch from the CCTV that building collapse as a result of controlled demolition. If this generation chooses to shy away from the truth, the. future will vindicate prophet Tb Joshua.

So there are so many walking corpse with whom i share the same space with, use the same facilities and share nationality with. This is really horrible, no wonder the smarter ones have given up on this country and have relocated permanently to places where citizens are alive and sane. they only come home occasionally to ask 'how market'?

I am honestly afraid to say the more of this type of poster we have the more assured we are that Nigeria will remain in the woods. Our problem is really more than Islamic fundamentalism we will soon start dealing with christian terrorist. All they need is for their prophet to give the signal and all of them will follow suit and start killing fellow citizen. As they have demonstrated severely limited capacity to think apart from the official church line.
Initially it was aircraft that hovered, all of them repeated it, later they said the aircraft threw bomb all them parroted it, now it is controlled demolition and all the sticks were planted and rigged covertly while nobody including the CCTV they have recorded the planting of the bombs, all of them are still spewing this rubbish. They don't need evidence, the only evidence they is 'daddy' said so it must be true.

"Daddy' will soon send them to go and plant explosives in public places and it will be their 'gods' divine instructions, these people need to be watched closely by security agents.

OreMI22:
I knew something was fishy the way the building quickly collapsed in a split second. It was just too fast for a structural fault.

How many building collapse have you personally witnessed in your life to be able to tell the difference between controlled demolition and structural collapse?

Ovamboland:


How many building collapse have you personally witnessed in your life to be able to tell the difference between controlled demolition and structural collapse?

Yes, I have witnessed a building collapse and also seen controlled demolition many times abroad.

I suspect you islamic fanatics did this to kill foreigners and scare them from visiting Nigeria because you hate a christian president. How crazy of you guys!

OreMI22:
Yes, I have witnessed a building collapse and also seen controlled demolition many times abroad.

I suspect you islamic fanatics did this to kill foreigners and scare them from visiting Nigeria because you hate a christian president. How crazy of you guys!

I am not and will never be a muslim, but it is obvious your thinking is severely damaged from the rubbish you listen to from your god on earth, Joshua. Terrorist came to plant bomb and beat your entire security arrangement, so it is no longer the aircraft.

You people are lost and maybe Jim Jones tragedy is awaiting most of you. They will soon ask you to drink poison as 'gods' special will for your life and like unthinking sheep you will calmly agree

Ovamboland:


I am not and will never be a muslim, but it is obvious your thinking is severely damaged from the rubbish you listen to from your god on earth, Joshua. Terrorist came to plant bomb and beat your entire security arrangement, so it is no longer the aircraft.

You people are lost and maybe Jim Jones tragedy is awaiting most of you. They will soon ask you to drink poison as 'gods' special will for your life and like unthinking sheep you will calmly agree

TB Joshua is not a god, he is just a pastor. That some people hold him in high esteem is up to them. Everyone has people they keep as their role models, some have superstars and celebs like Beyonce, Jay Z, Basketmouth etc etc etc. Some prefer men of God, some have their parents.

It is not really the point is it?

The point is, is TB Joshua guilty of collapsing the building or not? I think if you as a sane and mature human being reflect on it, you would know that he is not. But no matter what we say on this forum can't really change anyone's mind because you have already decided that he is guilty.

So there is no point on arguing if he is or not. Let us wait and see what the court says. I think that is the purpose of court isn't it? And unless you are a barrister that has passed the nigerian barr. test, please do not besmirch the on-going court case, because at the end of the day, that would be the highest level of ignorance from our side.

MissMeiya:


My sister, this year has sorely tested my optimism and patriotism. One of my followers told me just this week, "Nigeria has a funny way of changing people who try to change her." And it shook me like you wouldn't believe.

And all of this is diluted by distance, and I'm already wavering. Being an activist in Nigeria takes superhuman strength. Any activist who manages to retain their hope and purpose while actually in the country has my utmost respect.

Yesterday, I was chatting with my doctor (Indian woman) about my plans--she asked me why I was studying energy management. She's always been extremely motherly towards me (I don't know why, but I have that effect on Indian women), so she tends to advise and lecture me. She started telling me things about corruption in India, the country she left behind, and that people will never change, and do I think my parents would be happy if something happened to me, I should put myself first, because the people I think I'm helping will rarely thank me, and my efforts will likely be in vain. Chai! See discouragement! And she's not the first person to lecture me this way. Usually Hispanic, Caribbean, and Indian immigrants (always parents) get the same look on their faces when they find out. Maybe I need to seek out some white people lol. Look at Doctors Without Borders. Their people get killed, not just by illness, but sometimes by the people whose lives they're trying to save! I need some of that white people optimism lol

It is not worth it. Trust me, I speak from experience. I went from being very socially-conscious and trying to change society to being able to calmly ignore any calamity I see, as long as it is a Nigerian's. I feel bad, but seriously, not one person here is fighting for good, it's all their stomach, their ego, their tribe, their religion, their gender, their orientation, etc. I used to be appalled by it, but even Nigerians living in Nigeria discouraged me I have friends more concerned with what is going on with ISIS than BH (infact they keep hoping BH bombs Lagos). When I complain, they ask me "what is there to save in this godforsaken hellhole?"

ISpiksDaTroof:
Everything you wrote is trash. Hot garbage.

because of hate

MadCow1:



Have you ever heard of the phrase "domino effect"..?

That should tell you that it is very plausible that a structural defect in one section of a building can lead to into collapsing on its own weight.

All that we can offer is just hypothesis based on our previous knowledge. No one can be certain as to the exact cause of the collapse unless we are afforded the opportunity to examine the available evidence
That being said, I beg to disagree with your concept of "domino effect"
All structures are based on the sum of moments being equal to zero, as such; upon collapse due to poor materials, a balance is achieved, at least for a moment where part of the structure remains standing and not an instantaneous collapse as seen in the footage.
So I will stick to my hypotheses that this was an intentional act (controlled demolition)

Montaque:
nO, the next issue that I really thnk shud be is 2 find the remains or debris of the instrument used fOr the ÇontrOlled demOlitn that is surely still in the site. Dat was a quantum leap in reasoning u made there.

Well, you are right! I may have erred in such a leap but it can't be helped when the footage is compared to examples of such collapse.

The easiest thing is to show us is how buildings go down in controlled demolition, but the inside is not visible, this clip shows the inside of a building ready for demolition, take note of how the columns and Structural members were rigged with explosives one by one and connected together. this clip is adapted from FOX's TOUCH SEASON 1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9jxyknyzzi40o6i/Control%20Demolition-%20the%20inside..mp4?dl=0

Just imagine the white man and the insurmountable odds he faced exorcising primitivity from you to the point where you can communicate so eloquently in his language! There is hope for the Negro

Now,
1. How many controlled demolitions have we had in this Negro land?
2. Of these, how many took place in Nigeria?
3. How many controlled demolitions in the ENTIRE world took place surreptitiously in a building fully occupied 24/7?

The fact that negroes buy this BS is the best evidence that Negro is at least 100 light years behind his former colonial master

Onegai:


It is not worth it. Trust me, I speak from experience. I went from being very socially-conscious and trying to change society to being able to calmly ignore any calamity I see, as long as it is a Nigerian's. I feel bad, but seriously, not one person here is fighting for good, it's all their stomach, their ego, their tribe, their religion, their gender, their orientation, etc. I used to be appalled by it, but even Nigerians living in Nigeria discouraged me I have friends more concerned with what is going on with ISIS than BH (infact they keep hoping BH bombs Lagos). When I complain, they ask me "what is there to save in this godforsaken hellhole?"