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Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Nobody: 5:41pm On Jan 03, 2015
I believe in ONE God and all that , but one thing really nags my mind.

The old testament scripture hinges on Israel/Judah as a nation and the implications for the entire earth. God used them as a blue print for the rest of mankind to follow , but Israel and Judah failed woefully to achieve this objective.

Since it appears that God was almost exclusively Jewish in the OT scriptures, and the Jews mostly were rebellious ,what chance did other nations have of salvation since in most cases they never heard about the ONE God, or if they did he was called him by another name with smaller gods placed besides him.

Based on this opening statement , a few questions ;

- Are other nations inferior to the Jews
- By what standard did God judge the other nations ?
- Was this standard different to the standard for the Jews
- What if they never heard about God in Jewish terms but knew him by another name, does this mean they knew the one true God
- When Jesus said he came only for the lost house of Israel, was this racist ?

Bible students needed for a useful and healthy discourse.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by plaetton: 6:05pm On Jan 03, 2015
C' Mon Frosbel. Don't pretend that you don't already know that Yahweh was the tribal deity of the Hebrews, the embodiment of their identity and worldview, just as Ra was for ancient Egyptians, Marduk and Nebo for Babylonians, Amadioha for Igbos, etc etc.

Bible offers us ample proof that Israel was Yahweh's inheritance. That is very very significant.

Now, your dillema, as with many others, is to reconcile the fraud you have been fed with all along about Yahweh being God, with your inner yearnings to attune yourself with the creative agent or agencies of the universe.

But, you are asking the right questions, nevertheless.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by twosquare(m): 6:49pm On Jan 03, 2015
frosbel:
I believe in ONE God and all that , but one thing really nags my mind.

The old testament scripture hinges on Israel/Judah as a nation and the implications for the entire earth. God used them as a blue print for the rest of mankind to follow , but Israel and Judah failed woefully to achieve this objective.

Since it appears that God was almost exclusively Jewish in the OT scriptures, and the Jews mostly were rebellious ,what chance did other nations have of salvation since in most cases they never heard about the ONE God, or if they did he was called him by another name with smaller gods placed besides him.

Based on this opening statement , a few questions ;

- Are other nations inferior to the Jews
- By what standard did God judge the other nations ?
- Was this standard different to the standard for the Jews
- What if they never heard about God in Jewish terms but knew him by another name, does this mean they knew the one true God
- When Jesus said he came only for the lost house of Israel, was this racist ?

Bible students needed for a useful and healthy discourse.
God is the God of the whole universe. And to answer your questions...
- in the times of the old covenant, yes they're inferior to the jews. Why? Because inferiority is when you don't know God; for unto the Jews were committed the oracles of God.

- nations once knew God but changed the truth of God into a lie and worship the creature instead of the Creator. Conscience is used to judge them because the laws were not given unto them as unto israel. Paul explained this sha. And remember Balaam wasn't an israelite.

- Luke 12:48

-yes, balaam wasn't a jew, the midianites wasn't a jew, the moabites isn't. Yet among them we have folks who knew God. And God respond to them.

-No, His assignment(primary) is to make the house of israel see the kingdom of the Father and when they do, the whole earth will be greatly blessed and they the israelites will understand Him better for unto them were given prophecies and directions of what should be done. God will attend to His friends first. Romans 11:12-15.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Rilwayne001: 7:00pm On Jan 03, 2015
Deuteronomy 2:24 Then the LORD said, “Now get moving! Cross the Arnon Gorge. Look, I will hand over to you Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and I will give you his land. Attack him and begin to occupy the land.

2:25 [size=20pt] This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you.” [/size]
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by GooseBaba: 7:04pm On Jan 03, 2015
Who no know say bible god is absolutely for the jews.

Jews and gentile comes to mind..
The guy fight scatter for them jews..
Rescue them from captivity..
His only begotten son allegedly came to quench for them jews.

We know bible god is absolutely for them jews, because some africans now call themselves jews, isrealites, semities, Hebrews, or tell themselves that the blood of calvary made them complete. Just about anything to disassociate themselves from their gentile name tag.

Meanwhile, any non jewish person that worships this god is on a very long thing.. That person needs self hatred soaked in delusionary ignorance, with a side dish of inferiority complex to actually see themselves lesser than their fellow man because they read it in a sacred text... Wahala dey ooo.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by johnydon22(m): 8:39pm On Jan 03, 2015
let us ask wikipedia grin ... [b] Yahweh ( / ˈ jɑːhw eɪ/ , or often / ˈ jɑːw eɪ/ in English; Hebrew : יהוה ), was the
national god of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah . The name may
have originated as an epithet of the god El, head of the Bronze Age
Canaanite pantheon ("El who is present, who makes himself manifest"wink,
[1] :94–95 and appears to have been unique to Israel and Judah, [2] :184
although Yahweh may have been worshiped south of the Dead Sea at
least three centuries before the emergence of Israel (the Kenite
hypothesis). The earliest reference to a deity called "Yahweh" appears in
Egyptian texts of the 13th century BC that place him among the Shasu-
Bedu of southern Transjordan .[3]
In the oldest biblical literature (12th–11th centuries BC), Yahweh is a
typical ancient Near Eastern "divine warrior" who leads the heavenly army
against Israel's enemies; he and Israel are bound by a covenant under
which Yahweh will protect Israel and, in turn, Israel will not worship other
gods. [4] :158–159 At a later period, Yahweh functioned as the dynastic
cult (the god of the royal house) [5] :69–70 with the royal courts promoting
him as the supreme god over all others in the pantheon (notably Baal , El,
and Asherah (who is thought by some scholars to have been his
consort)). [6][7] :917 Over time, Yahwism became increasingly intolerant of
rivals, and the royal court and temple promoted Yahweh as the god of the
entire cosmos, possessing all the positive qualities previously attributed to
the other gods and goddesses. [5] :69–70 [7] :917 With the work of Second
Isaiah (the theoretical author of the second part of the Book of Isaiah )
towards the end of the Babylonian exile (6th century BC), the very
existence of foreign gods was denied, and Yahweh was proclaimed as the
creator of the cosmos and the true god of all the world. [7] :917
By early post-biblical times, the name of Yahweh had ceased to be
pronounced. In modern Judaism, it is replaced with the word Adonai,
meaning Lord, and is understood to be God's proper name and to denote
his mercy. [8] Many Christian Bibles follow the Jewish custom and replace
it with "the LORD". [/b]

Read on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by nep2ra(m): 8:46pm On Jan 03, 2015
The Bible God is a Jewish God. Plain and Simple.

All through the Bible we see a Jewish theme running through.

Heck, even the supposed authors of the Bible are of Jewish descent.

This got me angry and got me to rethink my belief in the Bible God:

"You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." ~ John 4:22 NIV

..."Salvation is from the Jews" . How cheeky. In one fell swoop, the Bible makes one race superior to the rest.

If you met a being from another civilization from another galaxy, what questions regarding religion would you ask?

I ask this because I believe we aren't the only beings in the Universe. That raises a lot of questions concerning the Bible, doesn't it?

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by johnydon22(m): 8:54pm On Jan 03, 2015
[b]Early worship of Yahweh likely originated in southern Canaan during the
Late Bronze Age . [18] :74–87 It is probable that Yahu or Yahweh was
worshipped in southern Canaan ( Edom , Moab, Midian ) from the 14th
century BC, and that this cult was transmitted northwards due to the
Kenites . This "Kenite hypothesis" was originally suggested by Cornelius
Tiele in 1872 and remains the standard view among modern scholars. [19]
In its classical form suggested by Tiele, the "Kenite hypothesis" assumes
that Moses was a historical Midianite who brought the cult of Yahweh
north to Israel. This idea is based on an old tradition (recorded in Judges
1:16, 4:11) that Moses' father-in-law was a Midianite priest of Yahweh, as
it were preserving a memory of the Midianite origin of the god. According
to Exodus 2, however, Moses was not a Midianite himself, but a Hebrew
from the tribe of Levi. While the role of the Kenites in the transmission of
the cult is widely accepted, the historical role of Moses finds less support
in modern scholarship.
The "Kenite hypothesis" supposes that the Hebrews adopted the cult of
Yahweh from the Midianites via the Kenites. This view, first proposed by F.
W. Ghillany , afterward independently by Cornelis Petrus Tiele (1872), and
more fully by Stade , has been more completely worked out by Karl Budde ;
it is accepted by H. Guthe, Gerrit Wildeboer, H. P. Smith , and G. A. Barton.
[20]
Egyptian
The earliest putative reference to Yahweh in the historical record occurs in
a list of Bedouin tribes of the Transjordan made by Amenhotep III (c. 1391
– 1353 BC) in the temple of Amon at Soleb . Therein, the name Yhw is
included in a passage referencing "the land of Š3sw-yhw," or "the land of
Shasu-y/iw" [21] The place name appears to be associated with Asiatic
nomads in the 14th to 13th centuries BC. In 1979, Michael Astour
suggested that the hieroglyphic rendering of Yhw corresponded very well
with what would be expected if the term signified Yahweh. [22] A later
mention from the era of Ramesses II (c. 1279 BC – 1213 BC) associates
Yhw with Mount Seir . From this, it is generally supposed that this Yhw
refers to a place in the area of Moab and Edom. [23] Whether the god was
named after the place, or the place named after the god, is undecided. [24]
Donald B. Redford[25] thinks it reasonable to conclude that the demonym
'Israel' recorded on the Merneptah Stele (1208 BC) refers to a Shasu
enclave, and that, since later Biblical tradition portrays Yahweh "coming
forth from Se'ir "[26] the Shasu, originally from Moab and northern Edom ,
went on to form one major element in the amalgam that was to constitute
the "Israel" which later established the Kingdom of Israel . Rainey has a
similar view in his analysis of the el-Amarna letters . [27]
Semitic
The oldest West Semitic attestation of the name is the inscription of the
victory stela erected by Mesha, king of Moab, in the 9th century BC. In this
inscription, Yahweh is not presented as a Moabite deity, but as the
national god of Israelite people. Mesha rather records how he defeated
Israel, and plundered the temple of Yahweh, presenting the spoils to his
own god, Chemosh . This is an alternate vision of the events described in 2
Kings 3.
The name Yahweh does not occur in Canaanite texts and inscriptions. [28]
The only North-West Semitic evidence that can plausibly be linked to the
Hebrew name 'Yahweh' are some male Amorite names with syllables -
yaffwi or -yawi , which may resemble the -jah in Hebrew names such as
Abijah. Friedrich Delitzsch Babel and the Bible (1903) was the first to
make the proposal that Amorite names with -yawi indicated the existence
of an Amorite Yawhi deity equivalent to Hebrew Yahweh. This was
supported by Huffmon (1965). [29] However modern scholars such as
Toorn (1996) note that such names do not attest to the existence of
worship of a Yaffwi . [30] Yahweh or Yahu appears in many Hebrew Bible
theophoric names, including Elijah itself, which translates to "my god ( el )
is Yahu", besides other names such as Isaiah ( Yesha'yahu "Yahu saved"wink,
Jesus ( Yeshua "Yahweh's Salvation"wink, Ahaz ( Yahu-haz "Yahu held"wink, and
others found in the early Jewish Elephantine papyri .
Yw in the Baal Cycle
Main article: Baal cycle
More recently, the damaged Ugaritic cuneiform text KTU 1.1:IV:14-15 is
also included in the discussion:[31]
From KTU II:IV:13-14
tgr.il.bnh.tr [ ] wyn.lt[p]n il dp[id...] [32] [J yp 'r] Sm bny yw 'ilt
My son [shall not be called] by the name of Yw , o goddess, [Jfc ym
smh (?)] [but Ym shall be his name!]
wp'r $m ym
So he proclaimed the name of Yammu.
[rbt 'atrt (?)] t'nyn
[Lady Athiratu (?)] answered,
lzntn ['at np'rt (?)]
"For our maintenance [you are the one who has been proclaimed (?)]
[33]
Many scholars [ who? ] consider yw a reference to Yahweh. Others [who? ]
consider that yw is unlikely to have be derived from yhw in the second
millennium. However the Ugaritic text is read, the verbal play on the
similarity between yw and ym (the sea-god Yam ) is evident. [34]
Alternative theories
Charles Tilstone Beke originally believed Mount Sinai to be a volcano but
gave up this idea when he saw a mountain he thought to be Mount Sinai
and wrote that "from its manifest physical character, it appears that my
favourite hypothesis that Mount Sinai was a volcano must be abandoned
as untenable." [35] Jacob Dunn suggested in "A God of Volcanoes: Did
Yahwism Take Root in Volcanic Ashes?" that the holy mountain of the
Abrahamic god was originally a volcano in Saudi Arabia. [36]
Adoption as national god of Israel
Scholars agree that the archaeological evidence suggests that the
Israelites arose peacefully and internally in the highlands of Canaan.
[18] :31 In the words of archaeologist William Dever, "most of those who
came to call themselves Israelites ... were or had been indigenous
Canaanites." [37] What distinguished Israel from other emerging Iron Age
Canaanite societies was the belief in Yahweh as the national god, rather
than, for example, Chemosh , the god of Moab, or Milcom , the god of the
Ammonites. [4] :156 This would require that the Transjordanian Yahweh
worshipers not be identified with Israelites, but perhaps with Edomite
tribes who introduced Yahweh to Israel. One longstanding hypothesis is
that Yahweh originated as a warrior-god in the region of Edom and Midian,
south of Judah, and was introduced into the northern and central
highlands by southern tribes such as the Kenites; Karel van der Toorn has
suggested that his rise to prominence in Israel was due to the influence of
Saul, Israel's first king, who was of Edomite background. [38] :248
Yahweh was eventually hypostatized with El. Several pieces of evidence
have led scholars to the conclusion that El was the original "God of
Israel"—for example, the word "Israel" is based on the name of El rather
than on that of Yahweh. [10] :32 Names of the oldest characters in the
Torah further show reverence towards El without similar displays towards
Yahweh. Most importantly, Yahweh reveals to Moses that though he was
not known previously as El, he has, in fact, been El all along. [39]
El was the head of the Canaanite pantheon, with Asherah as his consort
and Baal and other deities making up the pantheon.[10] :33 With his rise,
Asherah became Yahweh's consort, [40] and Yahweh and Baal at first co-
existed and later competed within the popular religion. [/b]
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by johnydon22(m): 8:58pm On Jan 03, 2015
nep2ra:
The Bible God is a Jewish God. Plain and Simple.

All through the Bible we see a Jewish theme running through.

Heck, even the supposed authors of the Bible are of Jewish descent.

This got me angry and got me to rethink my belief in the Bible God:

"You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." ~ John 4:22 NIV

..."Salvation is from the Jews" . How cheeky. In one fell swoop, the Bible makes one race superior to the rest.

If you met a being from another civilization from another galaxy, what questions regarding religion would you ask?

I ask this because I believe we aren't the only beings in the Universe. That raises a lot of questions concerning the Bible, doesn't it?

confirm my brother... exactly!!!

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by nobilis: 9:37pm On Jan 03, 2015
Lol.
The Torah and the Prophets made it explicit that YHWH (Yahweh/Yah) is the God of the Jews and the Jews alone. He drove out the gentile nations to install his people in Canaan.

But Paul came and decided to force YHWH to be a God of both the Jews and the Gentiles. Lol. But his plan back-fired. Do you know how?
Christians claim to be worshiping the same God the Jews worship. But it is obvious that YHWH and whatever God the Christians worship are not the same.
1. YHWH is not a trinity. But the Christian God is a trinity.

2. YHWH had no intercourse (whether spiritual, mental, physical, or sexual) with any virgin. (Bear in mind, even when Isaiah prophesied that a virgin shall conceive, he never said it will be by the power of any Spirit, whether holy or foul) but the Christian God sent his power and his Spirit to overshadow a virgin and she conceived.

3. YHWH had no son. But the Christian God has a son.

Need I continue?

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 10:06pm On Jan 03, 2015
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by macof(m): 10:10pm On Jan 03, 2015
Read ur Bible well. Anybody who tells u that Yahweh is God of all is a candidate for the Hell he peaches

Chk out all u can abt d history of that god Yahweh, he was brought to the Hebrews during the time of Abraham by Kenite travellers who later settled in midian and initiated Moses to it's cult
Read the Bible, Moses father in law wasn't Hebrew but he was a priest of Yahweh

Read ur Bible, The early Jews recognized other gods but sake of covenant they worshipped exclusively Yahweh, occasionally going back to worship other gods. It wasn't until the return from Babylon at 5th/6th century BC that the Jewish elders like Zerubabel proclaimed Yahweh as only existing god

Before the Hebrews came to Canaan, Yahweh was worshipped as one of the 70children of a much greater deity called El Elyon

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by johnydon22(m): 10:12pm On Jan 03, 2015
JesusisLord85:
See this thread sir:

https://www.nairaland.com/1891372/god-loved-world-casting-down

na to beg people to see ur thread u come here do.? why not face the thread here and address the op.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 10:17pm On Jan 03, 2015
johnydon22:


na to beg people to see ur thread u come here do.? why not face the thread here and address the op.

Some come here to show off their 'knowledge'. The gentleman asked genuine questions. I believe the thread helps, though perhaps does not answer all questions. Is that a reason to eat my head sir. Internet gangsters
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by MrPresident1: 10:54pm On Jan 03, 2015
I introduce myself to this thread by boldly stating that The Israelites of the Bible are the Negroes of today. But they have been discontinued from heritage so salvation can come to the gentiles, or so gentiles can partake of the promises initially given to Israel. Since the call of God is without repentance, therefore the fall of the Israelites is for only a short time, they will rise up again, as Paul said 'if the fall of them b the riches of the gentiles, how much more their fulness?'

When the Nicean creed states that we await the resurrection of the dead, it is not the literal dead, it is the awakening of the mentally dead.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by johnydon22(m): 11:56pm On Jan 03, 2015
MrPresident1:
I introduce myself to this thread by boldly stating that The Israelites of the Bible are the Negroes of today. But they have been discontinued from heritage so salvation can come to the gentiles, or so gentiles can partake of the promises initially given to Israel. Since the call of God is without repentance, therefore the fall of the Israelites is for only a short time, they will rise up again, as Paul said 'if the fall of them b the riches of the gentiles, how much more their fulness?'

When the Nicean creed states that we await the resurrection of the dead, it is not the literal dead, it is the awakening of the mentally dead.

You sir are very funny funny grin

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by GooseBaba: 5:34am On Jan 04, 2015
MrPresident1:
I introduce myself to this thread by boldly stating that The Israelites of the Bible are the Negroes of today. But they have been discontinued from heritage so salvation can come to the gentiles, or so gentiles can partake of the promises initially given to Israel. Since the call of God is without repentance, therefore the fall of the Israelites is for only a short time, they will rise up again, as Paul said 'if the fall of them b the riches of the gentiles, how much more their fulness?'

When the Nicean creed states that we await the resurrection of the dead, it is not the literal dead, it is the awakening of the mentally dead.

Yeah... As usual anything to disassociate themselves from being an african gentile.. Smh..

Present day jews are fake jews. Hence they call themselves isreali.. Meanwhile, You a negro is the real isrealite... Lol... Anyhow sha, we correct africans dey here dey drink our tombo. Nothing dey happen..
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 11:56am On Jan 04, 2015
GooseBaba:


Yeah... As usual anything to disassociate themselves from being an african gentile.. Smh..

Present day jews are fake jews. Hence they call themselves isreali.. Meanwhile, You a negro is the real isrealite... Lol... Anyhow sha, we correct africans dey here dey drink our tombo. Nothing dey happen..

When was the modern day, 'man made' state of Israel created?
Do those people fit the description of the Israelites mentioned in the bible?
Those devils walk arm in arm with the other devils of this world i.e. the West. Does that sound like the people of the Most High?
What do the prophets say shall happen upon the second coming? Did they not say the Most High shall regather His people, who He once scattered over the earth, as punishment for their idolatry with other gods?
Did Yahshua (Jesus) not say Jerusalem shall be trodden with gentiles until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled? So, you know, those in the land are heathen. Their time shall be up soon.

Wake up negroes. You are a chosen people.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Nobody: 12:03pm On Jan 04, 2015
Isaiah 54:4-6

Fear not, for you will not be put to shame; And do not feel humiliated, for you will not be disgraced; But you will forget the shame of your youth, And the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more. For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 12:11pm On Jan 04, 2015
GooseBaba:


Yeah... As usual anything to disassociate themselves from being an african gentile.. Smh..

Present day jews are fake jews. Hence they call themselves isreali.. Meanwhile, You a negro is the real isrealite... Lol... Anyhow sha, we correct africans dey here dey drink our tombo. Nothing dey happen..

Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary pg 330:

(Ham) the youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96
years before the Flood; and one of the eight persons to live through the Flood.
He became the progenitor of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans, Canaanites

Negroes and other africans are not the same. Even your white masters knew this.

What did the bible say about these blacks:

Isaiah 14:14
Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine

Numbers 13:32
And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.


Interestingly, many african tribes do exhibit this trait. The Masai, the men of Burundi and Sudan spring to mind. But that is me speculating.
But I can tell you the negro is a Hebrew.

Shalom
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 12:16pm On Jan 04, 2015
Psalms 147:19-20
19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob,
his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
20 He hath not dealt so with any nation:
and as for his judgments, they have not known them.

Foreigners may leave their ways and cleave unto us, however. They just will not be address by the Most High, as a nation. They must leave their old ways, and observe the same laws and statutes as the children of Israel..And be as an Israelite:

Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee.
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Weah96: 12:28pm On Jan 04, 2015
I'm getting confused trying to follow the declarations being made in this thread.

What's wrong with the term Africans, is the term "Jews" a better word to describe Africans?
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 1:07pm On Jan 04, 2015
Weah96:
I'm getting confused trying to follow the declarations being made in this thread.

What's wrong with the term Africans, is the term "Jews" a better word to describe Africans?

Africa is a continent - named by man.
God created nations of people.

Many nations of people on the african continent are the children of Ham.

But not ALL of them, as I showed. The children of Israel are black. They are negroes. They look like you, they look like me.

The term Jew, strictly speaking, pertains to those of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, although, during the time of Yahshua, there were members of other tribes dwelling among Judah and Benjamin in the land of Judah.
Not all Israelites are Jews, but all Jews are Israelites.
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 1:36pm On Jan 04, 2015
nep2ra:
The Bible God is a Jewish God. Plain and Simple.

All through the Bible we see a Jewish theme running through.

Heck, even the supposed authors of the Bible are of Jewish descent.

This got me angry and got me to rethink my belief in the Bible God:

"You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." ~ John 4:22 NIV

..."Salvation is from the Jews" . How cheeky. In one fell swoop, the Bible makes one race superior to the rest.

If you met a being from another civilization from another galaxy, what questions regarding religion would you ask?

I ask this because I believe we aren't the only beings in the Universe. That raises a lot of questions concerning the Bible, doesn't it?

Sir,

You said "I believe we aren't the only beings in the Universe". Now what is your 'belief' based on, and what are these other beings you perceive?
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by JesusisLord85: 1:38pm On Jan 04, 2015
nobilis:
Lol.


3. YHWH had no son. But the Christian God has a son.

Need I continue?

Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?


Casting down false imaginations since 1986 grin grin
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Hiswordxray(m): 3:43pm On Jan 04, 2015
frosbel:
I believe in ONE God and all that , but one thing really nags my mind.

The old testament scripture hinges on Israel/Judah as a nation and the implications for the entire earth. God used them as a blue print for the rest of mankind to follow , but Israel and Judah failed woefully to achieve this objective.

Since it appears that God was almost exclusively Jewish in the OT scriptures, and the Jews mostly were rebellious ,what chance did other nations have of salvation since in most cases they never heard about the ONE God, or if they did he was called him by another name with smaller gods placed besides him.

Based on this opening statement , a few questions ;

- Are other nations inferior to the Jews
- By what standard did God judge the other nations ?
- Was this standard different to the standard for the Jews
- What if they never heard about God in Jewish terms but knew him by another name, does this mean they knew the one true God
- When Jesus said he came only for the lost house of Israel, was this racist ?

Bible students needed for a useful and healthy discourse.
You are so carried away with things the doesn't matter. You are so concerned in feeding on knowledge. This is exactly how the first man fell. He feed on knowledge instead of life.

If you believe God exist why don't you seek to know and experience him instead of gathering useless knowledge. I have never seen you ask questions like:
How can I get closer to God?
How can I know him intimately and not just gather knowledge about him?
How can I get into is presence and enjoy fellowship with him?
How can I get to know God as Love?

Instead you ask questions that will not impact you. Tell me since when you have been gathering such information has it really impacted you significantly? Has it improve your relationship with God?
No, it only makes you confused and paranoid.
When will you learn how useless knowledge is?
When will you truly seek and pursue God?

You don't love God and you don't believe in God. You only think it is logical the God may really exist.

Your state right now is pitiful and sad.

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by GooseBaba: 3:58pm On Jan 04, 2015
JesusisLord85:


When was the modern day, 'man made' state of Israel created?
Do those people fit the description of the Israelites mentioned in the bible?
Those devils walk arm in arm with the other devils of this world i.e. the West. Does that sound like the people of the Most High?
What do the prophets say shall happen upon the second coming? Did they not say the Most High shall regather His people, who He once scattered over the earth, as punishment for their idolatry with other gods?
Did Yahshua (Jesus) not say Jerusalem shall be trodden with gentiles until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled? So, you know, those in the land are heathen. Their time shall be up soon.

Wake up negroes. You are a chosen people.

Kindly show me where any african traditional folklore or myths correspond with your hebrew folklore/myth without quoting the bible...

Thanks..
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by nobilis: 5:16pm On Jan 04, 2015
JesusisLord85:


Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?


Casting down false imaginations since 1986 grin grin

And that passage proves that YHWH has a son, how?

1. Genesis 6:2: The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair, and they took wives of all they desired and chose.

2. Job 1:6a: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord

So stop deceiving yourself.
The term "Son of God" as used in the Bible doesn't refer to Jesus. It refers to angels. Refer to the Jewish encyclopedia for more information on that. And moreover, all through the Gospels, there was never a place where Jesus called himself the son of God. If there is such a place, please tell me.

Cast down ur own false imaginations, brother

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Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Rilwayne001: 5:28pm On Jan 04, 2015
JesusisLord85:


Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?


Casting down false imaginations since 1986 grin grin

grin grin the person talking in that verse is ignoramus, he knows nothing about God.

Pro 30:2 "I am the most ignorant of men; I do not have a man's understanding.

Pro 30:3 I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the Holy One.

He has no knowledge of God and started asking foolish questions by hallucinating that God have a son.
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Weah96: 5:55pm On Jan 04, 2015
JesusisLord85:


Proverbs 30:4
who hath bound the waters in a garment?

How much water are we talking about?
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Lex11(m): 6:26pm On Jan 04, 2015
Yes, GOD Himself separated the nation of Israel and favored them above all other nations - "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt." - Deuteronomy 7:6-8.

They (the nation of Israel) are illustrative (like other old testament signs) of how GOD has been separating, by grace, a spiritual nation of Israel in Christ Jesus The Lord since the fall of Adam... those who have, by GOD's mercies and operation alone, are truly born of The Holy Spirit and justified. (Romans 9:15-16).

So, in the end... it really all boils down to the individual or person and his or her standing in the sight of GOD.

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"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:" - Romans 3:29.
Re: Is God A God Of Only The Jews by Nobody: 7:28pm On Jan 04, 2015
GooseBaba:
Who no know say bible god is absolutely for the jews.

Jews and gentile comes to mind..
The guy fight scatter for them jews..
Rescue them from captivity..
His only begotten son allegedly came to quench for them jews.

We know bible god is absolutely for them jews, because some africans now call themselves jews, isrealites, semities, Hebrews, or tell themselves that the blood of calvary made them complete. Just about anything to disassociate themselves from their gentile name tag.

Meanwhile, any non jewish person that worships this god is on a very long thing.. That person needs self hatred soaked in delusionary ignorance, with a side dish of inferiority complex to actually see themselves lesser than their fellow man because they read it in a sacred text... Wahala dey ooo.

Bravo!!!

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