clevvermind:
we ought to debate buhari's certificate first before any other thing. when would there be debate for that?

OtunbaJega:
[size=58pt]Why is Aba Thief Moro still a Minister under Jonathan's govt., after the immigration scam[/size]

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/03/nis-tragedy-labour-nhrc-demand-sack-moro/

[size=18pt]Nigeria: Immigration pockets N520 million from job seekers, as Interior Minister blames applicants for deaths at recruitment centres[/size]

Nigeria’s interior minister, Abba Moro, has denied responsibility for the deaths of more than a dozen job applicants at Nigeria Immigration Service recruitment centres across the country Saturday.

Mr. Moro said the job seekers were to blame for the stampede that killed over 13 applicants.

Angry Nigerians have called for the minister’s resignation, alongside the comptroller of Immigration Service, after seven applicants died in stampedes in Abuja, while at least four died in Port Harcourt and two slumped and died in Minna, Niger State.

Unconfirmed reports say the total figure of casualties is higher.

Hundreds of thousands of applicants arrived at test centres in all the 36 states and Abuja, leading to stampedes.

In the Federal Capital Territory alone, more than 60,000 candidates filled the national stadium venue of the recruitment exams, and were allowed access to the venue through only a single doorway.

Speaking in Jos, Plateau State, where he inspected the exercise, Mr. Moro said the applicants should blame their “impatience” for the stampede and the deaths.

He said applicants refused to follow instructions handed them by the recruiters.

“The applicants lost their lives due to impatience,” he told journalists. “They did not follow the laid down procedures spelt out to them before the exercise; many of them jumped through the fences of affected centres and did not conduct themselves in an orderly manner to make the exercise a smooth one. This caused stampede and made the environment unsecured.”

Mr. Moro said about 520, 000 people registered for the recruitment exams, and that only 4,556 will be recruited at the end of the exercise based on the available vacancies.

During registration for the job tests, the Immigration authorities received N1, 000 from all the applicants, in defiance of several directives from Nigeria’s House of Representatives that government agencies refrain from charging job applicants.

The lawmakers have issued repeated resolutions to that effect, but all have been disregarded by the agencies, and other government establishments, including the military.

At 1,000 per candidate, the Immigration Service would have pocketed at least N520 million based on the total figure of applicants provided by the Interior minister, Mr. Moro.

The NIS had declared vacancies for about 5,000 personnel across the country and engaged the services of an ICT firm, Drexel, to create an online registration platform through which money was extorted from applicants.

Drexel, however, came up with a complex registration process which required the applicants to download forms at cyber café, fill a part of it to generate a slip referred to as “Pay4me.”

It was the “Pay4me” print out that qualified applicants to pay the sum of N1, 000 to dedicated NIS accounts in designated banks all over the country.

The commercial banks that were involved in the transaction included the United Bank for Africa, UBA, Fidelity Bank Plc, Zenith Bank Plc, Diamond Bank Plc and Ecobank Transnational Plc.

On the payment of N1, 000, a teller was issued with data including candidates’ validation number, transaction number, application number and application type, among others.

The teller was again taken to cyber cafés where candidates used some of the information on it to complete the registration process and get acknowledgement slips.

However, several thousands of jobless Nigerians paid to grab the about 5,000 job opportunities advertised by the NIS.

But the examination which took place on Saturday turned bloody in several places including Abuja, Port Harcourt, Rivers State and Minna in Niger State.

Applicants said the chaotic arrangements for the test on Saturday was merely to justify the monies paid to the service by the applicants.

“They did not make any plans for the applicants. Even during the test, we had to fight and hustle for the question papers. A lot of the papers were torn,” said one applicant who requested not to be named.

“We paid N1, 000 during the application process and I can tell you now that it’s a total fraud,” he added.

The ruling Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, has called for immediate investigation into the deaths.

Olisa Metuh, who is the national publicity secretary of the PDP, called on the Ministry of Interior and relevant government agencies, to immediately begin an investigation to unravel the remote and immediate causes of the stampede.

Mr. Metuh said the party was “shocked and deeply saddened” by the deaths of job seekers.

Firefire:


I agree, but Pa. Buhari can't find his certificate

clevvermind:
ok, since he's still looking for it, let's switch then to the forged one. let there be a debate on that one for the meantime.

Firefire:




Mr. Buhari should apologize to Nigerians and report himself to the nearest police station for forgery and perjury.

bokohalal:
This is Ethiopian. Guess they did not want to live in the 19th century.

bokohalal:
Ethiopian

kettykin:
I want to contribute the following points to debate no insults intended in the spirit of the debate

1.Lagos state the number one APC state is the most corrupt state in nigeria, if APR cannot fight corruption in it's number one and number two states , how can they fight corruption in the whole country.

2. Kano State an APC state and stronghold is the most inefficiently run state in nigeria and can barely generate enough revenue per annum than it receives in a month despite the huge federal government investment, the number of local government offices, honourable members etc if the APC stronghold state cannot effectively and efficiently run its state despite the federal inputs how can it run a federal system effectively managing the resources.

3. Most APC chieftains are former PDP chieftains who fell out of favor, to the extent that their chief campaigner was elected as a PDP governor which clearly makes their promise of change not reliable.

4. Governors who made the most impact in projects are PDP governors in Enugu and Akwa Ibom states who clearly turned their states to big construction sites without borrowing money

5. The states with the witnessing the worst form of insurgency are boko haram states of borno and yobe showing how ineptitude of the chief security officers led to complete breakdown of law and order in the states

chamboy:
Ikengawo sir [size=18pt] why has fall in price of crude oil (50%) not affected Pms n diesel in nigeria? [/size]

Tundeajani:
tell me why you are not a bast,,, like doyin okupe

OtunbaJega:
[size=28pt]Nigeria and Mexico approached China for credit facility to rebuild their railway systems (and other infrastructure). whether they both got the money or not, why will our own be old slow speed train?
Look at what each country did with the money.

When do we stop celebrating mediocrity? or does it mean that our leaders don't know the speed differences between the trains or that they don't see train abroad but if they want to buy car, they buy the latest model

Nigerians are celebrating train that runs low Km/ph, whereas other countries are now phasing out to what we called speed train for intercity transport.
Take a look at the differences[/size]
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1506229/li-pledges-larger-credit-line-high-speed-rail-technology-africa
http://www.chinaafricarealstory.com/2010/08/real-cost-of-chinese-railway.html

OtunbaJega:
Meanwhile

Sai Buhari

OtunbaJega:



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Ikengawo:
Reserved for Thank Yous

dat9jaguy:



Hey Mr,you can't debate with me using govt press releases and statements to back your points because those
are meant to praise the govt of the day.Let's debate using what we see and feel in Nigeria presently.

OtunbaJega:
...........So how them take arrange $10million naira in a cashless economy.... Op u dey craze


[size=58pt]CAN President, Oritsejafor, admits ownership of cash-stacked jet seized in South Africa
[/size] guy what is ur problem? Will u pls act matured and let men debate? Can't u just act decent? What is it with all these distraction? I don't think any supporter of pdp has abused buhari or you as well, so wht is wrong with u? Seun pls devise an app tht checks for people's age before they are allowed here! Rubbish

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/168224-can-president-oritsejafor-admits-ownership-of-cash-stacked-jet-seized-in-south-africa.html

A private jet seized weekend by South African authorities with a stack of $10 million in cash meant for arms purchase, belongs to the head of the Nigerian Christian community, the aviation ministry confirmed Tuesday.

Ayo Oritsejafor, the president of the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, had however leased the jet to another party, a top official of the ministry told PREMIUM TIMES, meaning Mr. Oritsejafor had no control over the use of the aircraft.

Mr. Oritsejafor’s church also confirmed the ownership in a separate statement Tuesday. The church said the pastor has a “residual interest” in Eagle Air, a company that manages the aircraft.

“On behalf of Pastor Oritsejafor, we can confirm that although he holds an interest in Eagle Air, the aircraft in question is not operated by Pastor Oritsejafor,” the statement by The Word of Life Bible Church said.

The aircraft was leased to, and is operated by Green Coast Produce Limited since August 2, the statement added.

In an earlier statement, Eagle Air Company admitted ownership of the jet held in South Africa for conveying $9.3 million cash for alleged arms deal.

Two Nigerians and an Israeli were caught with the money allegedly meant for buying and supplying weapons to the Nigeria intelligence services.

City Press, a South Africa-based newspaper had reported that the trio, who are already facing investigations, landed at Lanseria International Airport, Johannesburg on September 5, in the jet from Abuja with the money loaded in three suitcases.

The spokesperson for the South African Revenue Service, SARS, Adrian Luckay, confirmed that customs officers became suspicious when the passenger luggage were unloaded and scanned.

In a statement by its General Manager, Emmanuel Ohaeri, Eagle Air Company also claimed holding a “residual interest” in the aircraft, a Bombader Challenger 600, Registration No 808HG.

The company however said it leased the aircraft to Green Coast Produce Limited since August 2.

The statement said, “Our attention has been drawn to press reports in respect of an aircraft (Bombardier Challenger 600, Registration No N808HG) in which our company holds a residual interest.

“We wish to confirm that the said aircraft has since the 2nd of August 2014 been leased to and is operated by Green Coast Produce Limited.

The company and Mr. Ortisejafor’s church advised that all media enquiries in respect of the day-to-day operations of the aircraft be directed to the management of Green Coast Produce Limited.

In yet another statement, the management of Green Coast Produce Company Limited confirmed the aircraft had been leased to it, saying such transactions were normal in the aviation industry.

The company explained that the aircraft was in turn hired from it by one John Ishyaku and therefore would not be liable for any alleged infractions either in Nigeria or South Africa after the hire.

The company’s director, Shima Adun said in the statement that “On the 5th of September 2014 the aircraft was hired from us by a John Ishyaku. The charter to John Ishyaku was upon the following documented terms: (a) Depart Abuja-Johannesburg on the 5th of September 2014 (b) Return to Abuja on the 6th of September 2014 (c) To wait and return with the passengers”.

The company said as with every other aircraft charter company, its knowledge of the cargo carried on the aircraft was in accordance with the information provided by ABC Limited.

“All cargoes were accompanied by passenger who could readily defend the contents. We are not and cannot be privy to any alleged extraneous cargo transported on the aircraft other than that declared in the agreed terms of hire,” the firm said.

“We are not liable and cannot be construed as a party to any alleged infractions, either in Nigeria or South Africa as he case may be, after the hire of the aircraft,” it added.

Ikengawo:


The World Bank is a government press release?

dat9jaguy:


Let's debate on things we can see and feel like the price of food stuffs in the market now and what was obtainable in 2011.
Electricity,is it better now than before 2011,etc.All those figures you are brandishing around are nothing but academic exercise.

baralatie:


those figures control virtually the performance of your economy!
for example,imagine the impact of a double digit inflation above 15% over 5 years.
imagine a banking system that is living on volatile funds and the govt has worked very hard in these two areas and have delivered positive results
imagine an economy that has been able to achieve a sustainable growth margin
imagine the cost of re engineering and rebuilding social infastructure and the source of funds to accomplish them.
with academic facts,legislative laws and the business community .I strongly believe that this govt has done a whole lot.

dat9jaguy:



Like i said all these are just statistics.The koko is how have they had any impact on the common man.The developed countries that actually
compile and use these indexes,the effect of governance is been felt by the people on the streets.
In Nigeria you see nice figures mixed with economic jargon served to the masses but the effects are never felt by the masses.
If the price of food stuffs go down,price of fuel goes down,constant electricity,travel to anywhere in your country without fear,
reduced unemployment,then we would know your govt is working.
Every other thing is addition.

Ikengawo:
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baralatie:

now you are coming small,small to the importance of statistics,economic policies and business environment.if you can ask the right questions what are those things that will either stabilise or bring the price of food commodity downwards.then ask if the govt has done absolutely nothing to address these issues
it will be rather some biased to think that govt never did anything!

Ikengawo:


The World Bank is a government press release?

OtunbaJega:



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dat9jaguy:


That is also my point exactly,we hear different policies everyday but no improvement to the average man's condition.Maybe it is wrong policies or
implementation is faulty but the bottom line is they spew out different figures and policies but the average man remains the same or even worse.
Like i said earlier when we start feeling the effects of these policies then we can say govt is working.
Pls don't tell me it takes time to feel the effects because any economic rescue plan must have long,medium and short term(read immediate) impact on the citizenry.

baralatie:


and impact in the economy is there for


one to see,seriously the Nigeria I saw 12years ago is not the same Nigeria I am seeing now except for the fact that there are people who are working hard to destabilize and create in the of the populace the wrong impression that nothing is working(and the plan of such people will not succeed).

dat9jaguy:



I don't really see any improvements.
1>No improvement in electricity supply.
2>price of food stuffs going up everyday(2011 price of rice 50kg bag-N5,500.2014 price of rice 50kg bag-N10,000)
3>security situation getting worse by the day.
4>No jobs,even the one we pay for we are not given.
5>In the midst of poverty our leaders still display obscene wealth.
We the masses would now be fed with some mumbo-jumbo economic slangs telling us the economy is doing well.
I don't need anybody to tell me the economy is doing well,I would feel the effects myself.