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As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 4:07pm On Feb 02, 2015
Now, know. this truth and set yourself free from the grip of religion and tradition.
the only important thing in church is going there to learn from pastors how the 10 commandments should be applied in your normal day to day life to better your living. Every other thing, both the building and every ordinances in it are vanity.
so, if you already know how to apply the 10 commandments in your life as a Christian, you don't need church again.
you don't need your pastor.
you don't need any fucking religious mbomgungu! again

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Proximo73: 4:21pm On Feb 02, 2015
Iceflox:
Now, know. this truth and set yourself free from the grip of religion and tradition.
the only important thing in church is going there to learn from pastors how the 10 commandments should be applied in your normal day to day life to better your living. Every other thing, both the building and every ordinances in it are vanity.
so, if you already know how to apply the 10 commandments in your life as a Christian, you don't need church again.
you don't need your pastor.
you don't need any fucking religious mbomgungu! again
what if your pastor pays you monthly salary to work in church? wount you keep going?

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by jnrprof(m): 5:25pm On Feb 02, 2015
Read your Bible again.....its instructed that we should not neglect the fellowship of the brethren! So no matter how much you think you know, fellowshiping with other Christians is still very important.

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 6:59pm On Feb 02, 2015
Proximo73:

what if your pastor pays you monthly salary to work in church? wount you keep going?
that is the only condition, i can even do anything, so long i am paid

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 7:01pm On Feb 02, 2015
jnrprof:
Read your Bible again.....its instructed that we should not neglect the fellowship of the brethren! So no matter how much you think you know, fellowshiping with other Christians is still very important.
what is the economic importance? nothing

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by chosen124: 9:41pm On Feb 02, 2015
too many frustrated people in nairaland
the church is not the cause of your frustration
leave the church and pastors alone

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 11:58am On Feb 03, 2015
chosen124:
too many frustrated people in nairaland
the church is not the cause of your frustration
leave the church and pastors alone
truly, Nigeria as a nation is frustrated. too many churches.
as much as i am a christian the truth must be said

too much church going everywhere
too much mosque going everywhere.
you cannot exclude religion as part of the major cause of nigeria frustration no matter how hard you try
it is frustrating you too don't pretend.
you are part of this country
let people stop going to church let's see if they will not start living their lives happily

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Proximo73: 12:06pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

that is the only condition, i can even do anything, so long i am paid
lol... you are funny
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 2:35pm On Feb 03, 2015
Proximo73:

lol... you are funny

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Jeromejnr(m): 2:49pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown

Actually there is more to the bible than just following a set of rules and reading stories.

In a good church. You don't go to just hear a set of rules but to gain revelations that will give u faith and build it to be able to overcome life's challenges.

If u don't go to church how will u even hear ppls testimony to also give u faith to help u in a similar situation. That why God gave the ministry gifts of Pastors, teachers, apostles, prophets e.t.c. to help to build up the body of Christ.

We can't be wiser than God in this matter.

Note I said a good church o. Maybe that's why some ppl are tired of going to church.
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Proximo73: 3:03pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown
they say africans were afraid of trees during primitive days, such that they were worshiping trees in order to seek protection from trees.
may be that's what they are still doing till now.
they worship church instead of God, in order to seek protection from church

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Proximo73: 3:05pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Proximo73: 3:30pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

whatever!
But you know it is not intelligent doing anything without a reason.
God never did anything without a reason.
so, if you must go to church, you must have a tangible reason why you should be going.
nigerians go to church without any tangible reason. they are just going
why do people always go to church in this part of the world?
is it fear that is causing them? fear of the unknown
they say africans used to be afraid of trees such that they worship trees and seek protection from trees during primitive days.
may be that is what they are still doing till now, they worship church instead of God.
they seek money protection from church

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Alexk2(m): 3:55pm On Feb 03, 2015
I read your post and i cannot help it than to reply because i see that you misunderstood alot of things.
First, the law/commandments only make us aware of sin instead of keeping us from it. Hence, a pastor who centre his teachings/preaching on the law/comandments is doing a disservice in the long run. Consequently, siting @ home to read those laws wont help in any way.

Secondly, Jesus is the only solution to our deliverance from sin, worldly passion and the flesh....and it only takes you to completely surrender your life to Him and be born again/anew for you to be free indeed. Yes, church, religious, doctrines..e.t.c cannot save anybody in anyway...but you ask where is the position of the church then since all i've said is in the bible.

I define the church as the spiritual healing center for the Christians and the all those who requires true healing....and that is the real/actual healing any1 can get. Btw., you must know that the church is simply the gathering of the Christians. So, one reason why going to church is to have fellowship with my type of pple; pple who reason like me and who can influence me to be more like my Saviour. It is also for me to keep on grow and to help each other in this Christian race.

Hmmm....sadly and unfortunately, most churches arent living up to that purpose but there are still pple within who are still keeping the fire burning....
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Papist: 5:22pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:
Now, know. this truth and set yourself free from the grip of religion and tradition.
the only important thing in church is going there to learn from pastors how the 10 commandments should be applied in your normal day to day life to better your living. Every other thing, both the building and every ordinances in it are vanity.
so, if you already know how to apply the 10 commandments in your life as a Christian, you don't need church again.
you don't need your pastor.
you don't need any fucking religious mbomgungu! again
Evening....i disagree & the Bible disagrees. You get the spiritual food (the Sacraments) in the House of God. Bless u
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 5:56pm On Feb 03, 2015
Jeromejnr:


Actually there is more to the bible than just following a set of rules and reading stories.

In a good church. You don't go to just hear a set of rules but to gain revelations that will give u faith and build it to be able to overcome life's challenges.

If u don't go to church how will u even hear ppls testimony to also give u faith to help u in a similar situation. That why God gave the ministry gifts of Pastors, teachers, apostles, prophets e.t.c. to help to build up the body of Christ.

We can't be wiser than God in this matter.

Note I said a good church o. Maybe that's why some ppl are tired of going to church.
all churches are the same, no one is better than the other. they all preach the same basic thing.
the only good thing is that they all preach Christ. every other things are flop.
is faith to be build upon or it is a permanent gift?
is it really true that opposite of faith is fear?
please i want to ask a question, what is faith according to the bible, not according to pastors ?
is faith the same thing as believing in God in order to carry out miracles and to overcome life situations ?
or is it the same thing as the Christian religion?
is that why millions of Nigerians are so church freak, to overcome life situations,fear of the unknown and poverty?
do testimonies add to your faith? or it encourages members to expect their miracles ?
i am not against miracles, they are good. But i think there should be something that distinguishes faith and miracles.
anybody who has faith don't need church and the miracles in it again, except he is sick in the body and need healing.
i bet, most Nigerians who go to church are not sick in the body

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by jnrprof(m): 6:07pm On Feb 03, 2015
OP, every true Christian understands that going to church is not for its economic value. If you don't go to church, that's fine but don't try to dissuade those of us who value its importance. I for one can't take for granted the role my church brethren played in my life during a difficult period. The words of encouragement, sermons and prayers really helped me to hold on and built up my faith. When my story changed and i shared my testimony, they rejoiced even more than me and. A friend in church even told me that my testimony had increased his own faith as he was waiting on God for his own miracle. Now that's one reason why church is important!
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 6:10pm On Feb 03, 2015
Alexk2:
I read your post and i cannot help it than to reply because i see that you misunderstood alot of things.
First, the law/commandments only make us aware of sin instead of keeping us from it. Hence, a pastor who centre his teachings/preaching on the law/comandments is doing a disservice in the long run. Consequently, siting @ home to read those laws wont help in any way.

Secondly, Jesus is the only solution to our deliverance from sin, worldly passion and the flesh....and it only takes you to completely surrender your life to Him and be born again/anew for you to be free indeed. Yes, church, religious, doctrines..e.t.c cannot save anybody in anyway...but you ask where is the position of the church then since all i've said is in the bible.

I define the church as the spiritual healing center for the Christians and the all those who requires true healing....and that is the real/actual healing any1 can get. Btw., you must know that the church is simply the gathering of the Christians. So, one reason why going to church is to have fellowship with my type of pple; pple who reason like me and who can influence me to be more like my Saviour. It is also for me to keep on grow and to help each other in this Christian race.

Hmmm....sadly and unfortunately, most churches arent living up to that purpose but there are still pple within who are still keeping the fire burning....
you are right, church is for healing.
But most people who go to church are not sick, they don't need healing. let pastors set them free, let them stop going.
why i am saying this, all pastors are now using the gathering to distort from Nigerians, and our mumu government will not protect them.
don't you have your kind in your office or school or whereever to influence you like your Savior?
must it be church?

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 6:16pm On Feb 03, 2015
Papist:

Evening....i disagree & the Bible disagrees. You get the spiritual food (the Sacraments) in the House of God. Bless u
mind you, church is not house of God again, church seized to be house of God the day Christ was crucified. forget old testament,
your body is now the real temple or house of God.
house of God my foot

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 6:28pm On Feb 03, 2015
jnrprof:
OP, every true Christian understands that going to church is not for its economic value. If you don't go to church, that's fine but don't try to dissuade those of us who value its importance. I for one can't take for granted the role my church brethren played in my life during a difficult period. The words of encouragement, sermons and prayers really helped me to hold on and built up my faith. When my story changed and i shared my testimony, they rejoiced even more than me and. A friend in church even told me that my testimony had increased his own faith as he was waiting on God for his own miracle. Now that's one reason why church is important!
your testimony has increased his own faith or it has encouraged him to go to church the more?
which one out of the two?
because, i am sure your friend had faith already long before you met him.,he was a Christian and not a Muslim, and he still remain a christian even after he heard your testimony .
having faith is simply joining Christianity if you were a Muslim before , check your Bible.
so you see, something is wrong somewhere.
somebody is taking advantage of you not knowing what faith actually mean in the Bible

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 6:35pm On Feb 03, 2015
Proximo73:

they say africans used to be afraid of trees such that they worship trees and seek protection from trees during primitive days.
may be that is what they are still doing till now, they worship church instead of God.
they seek money protection from church
ahaha ahaha ha! lol funny
it seems right
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Alexk2(m): 6:59pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox;
you are right, church is for healing.
But most people who go to church are not sick, they don't need healing. let pastors set them free, let them stop going.
the need to first seek out a church is for a new life in Christ(the healing part) but thereafter we need to continually renew our mind/spirit with th Word of God(both the spoken and written word) and the gathering of God's pple(the church) is the first point of call for that. To be set free and stop going to church is an easy way to Backslidden. When you remain with pple of like-minds, then iron shapen irons and spiritual growth is on course.
why i am saying this, all pastors are now using the gathering to distort from Nigerians, and our mumu government will not protect them.
blantant lie bro...yes, there may be some fake pastors who are out for the sake of their belly but not all pls. Infact, the fake pastors exist because there are the original once.....btw., part of what our bible teaches us is giving(to the needy among us, ophans, widows, less priviledged and the likes) out of a cheerful heart as lead...nt compulsorily.
don't you have your kind in your office or school or whereever to influence you like your Savior?
must it be church?
I'm talking about identity here, bro...we first identify with each other in our small gathering and take it from there elsewhere. This isnt abt the name of the church but abt the effect of the new life that is commonly found in us. I identify you as a Christian outside church only by the type of life your live.

In summary, it is more of a command to us as a christian in Heb 10:25.."..and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
That is the bible settling that and to insist on your way is to question the authority of the bible....pls., note the part.."as is the manner of some.." it is not new for pple to find strange excuse.
I will like to end this by asking you if you even know Jesus personally...kbowing Him will settle most of your questions...shalom!
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by denisbid: 7:10pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

you are right, church is for healing.
But most people who go to church are not sick, they don't need healing. let pastors set them free, let them stop going.
why i am saying this, all pastors are now using the gathering to distort from Nigerians, and our mumu government will not protect them.
don't you have your kind in your office or school or whereever to influence you like your Savior?
must it be church?
op, how can you say church members are not sick?
ok, how about family problem? spiritual problem? don't they need deliverance?
please don't come here to spoil market for people o
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by denisbid: 7:26pm On Feb 03, 2015
Alexk2:

the need to first seek out a church is for a new life in Christ(the healing part) but thereafter we need to continually renew our mind/spirit with th Word of God(both the spoken and written word) and the gathering of God's pple(the church) is the first point of call for that. To be set free and stop going to church is an easy way to Backslidden. When you remain with pple of like-minds, then iron shapen irons and spiritual growth is on course.

blantant lie bro...yes, there may be some fake pastors who are out for the sake of their belly but not all pls. Infact, the fake pastors exist because there are the original once.....btw., part of what our bible teaches us is giving(to the needy among us, ophans, widows, less priviledged and the likes) out of a cheerful heart as lead...nt compulsorily.

I'm talking about identity here, bro...we first identify with each other in our small gathering and take it from there elsewhere. This isnt abt the name of the church but abt the effect of the new life that is commonly found in us. I identify you as a Christian outside church only by the type of life your live.

In summary, it is more of a command to us as a christian in Heb 10:25.."..and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
That is the bible settling that and to insist on your way is to question the authority of the bible....pls., note the part.."as is the manner of some.." it is not new for pple to find strange excuse.
I will like to end this by asking you if you even know Jesus personally...kbowing Him will settle most of your questions...shalom!
yes,op need Jesus
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 8:13pm On Feb 03, 2015
Alexk2:

the need to first seek out a church is for a new life in Christ(the healing part) but thereafter we need to continually renew our mind/spirit with th Word of God(both the spoken and written word) and the gathering of God's pple(the church) is the first point of call for that. To be set free and stop going to church is an easy way to Backslidden. When you remain with pple of like-minds, then iron shapen irons and spiritual growth is on course.

blantant lie bro...yes, there may be some fake pastors who are out for the sake of their belly but not all pls. Infact, the fake pastors exist because there are the original once.....btw., part of what our bible teaches us is giving(to the needy among us, ophans, widows, less priviledged and the likes) out of a cheerful heart as lead...nt compulsorily.

I'm talking about identity here, bro...we first identify with each other in our small gathering and take it from there elsewhere. This isnt abt the name of the church but abt the effect of the new life that is commonly found in us. I identify you as a Christian outside church only by the type of life your live.

In summary, it is more of a command to us as a christian in Heb 10:25.."..and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
That is the bible settling that and to insist on your way is to question the authority of the bible....pls., note the part.."as is the manner of some.." it is not new for pple to find strange excuse.
I will like to end this by asking you if you even know Jesus personally...kbowing Him will settle most of your questions...shalom!
yes, that is it
what do you mean by knowing Christ? from your own understanding
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 8:14pm On Feb 03, 2015
denisbid:

op, how can you say church members are not sick?
ok, how about family problem? spiritual problem? don't they need deliverance?
please don't come here to spoil market for people o
ahah Hahahaaa.
lol

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 8:15pm On Feb 03, 2015
denisbid:

yes,op need Jesus
i know, But na the same rope tie me and you
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Proximo73: 8:25pm On Feb 03, 2015
Iceflox:

your testimony has increased his own faith or it has encouraged him to go to church the more?
which one out of the two?
because, i am sure your friend had faith already long before you met him.,he was a Christian and not a Muslim, and he still remain a christian even after he heard your testimony .
having faith is simply joining Christianity if you were a Muslim before , check your Bible.
so you see, something is wrong somewhere.
somebody is taking advantage of you not knowing what faith actually mean in the Bible
the Bible defined faith as the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
what are you talking
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Anas09: 9:04pm On Feb 03, 2015
ICEFLOX. Go get a life. I see u dead. Dead men don't have reasoning faculties.
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Alexk2(m): 9:36pm On Feb 03, 2015
author=Iceflox;
yes, that is it
what do you mean by knowing Christ? from your own understanding

your answer is in a thread i created last yr..enjoy!
www.nairaland.com/2022448/knowing-jesus-vs-knowing-jesus
Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 6:47am On Feb 04, 2015
Anas09:
ICEFLOX. Go get a life. I see u dead. Dead men don't have reasoning faculties.
what is this?
ahaha hahaaaaha

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Re: As A Christian, Going To Church Is Not Important At All by Iceflox(f): 8:09am On Feb 04, 2015
Alexk2:


your answer is in a thread i created last yr..enjoy!
www.nairaland.com/2022448/knowing-jesus-vs-knowing-jesus


ok,
knowing Jesus vs knowing about Jesus.
you say, knowing about Jesus is going to church, knowing that Jesus was born on xmas, appreciate his death and resurrection , etc
But knowing Jesus is to accept (believe ) that he is the Messiah and be saved.
if that is what you mean by knowing him,to answer your question,i know him personally.
I believe that Jesus saved me from sin and death.
But what i am saying is everybody who go to church believe, they are all saved. But pastors don't want to hear that one, they keep calling alter calls inside church, calling some church members unbelievers simply because they comit sin, thereby making them to believe that they don't have enough faith or faith at all.
i know you also share this view of pastors.
it is not biblical, please run away from pastors even if it takes you not to go to church again. it has a negative effect of people's mental development

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