Job 38:21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
38:23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

God started by mocking Job by asking if he knows a lot because his age is great, then HE proceeded in the next verse to ask if he had been to the polar region, the place of snow and hail, then HE proceeded by asking him if he had been opportuned to see its treasures and in verse three he told him he reserved it for the time of war! Here is where knowledge is needed, what exactly can be reserved in the snow for the time of trouble, the time of battle and war? How important and significant was it that God boasted of it to Job.? It does not need wisdom to know it is food, a lot of hairy mammoth frozen by God in the polar region. It has been a lot of puzzlement for scientists on how suddenly mammoth died, that even food was left in the mouth of some, how quickly they were buried in ice, which preserved them till today, that blood was found in some of them . It was the work of YAHWEH.


Back to verse 3, we saw God using the effects of war in explaining what the treasure was, we know that in the time of trouble and war, hunger and famine are the main killers which many times have killed more than the war itself. Therefore countries strife to store as much food as possible, therefore, the woolly mammoths frozen by God would have been an invaluable treasure. Today we know that a lot of mammoths which were divinely frozen by God are being dug out for sale in the Arctic region e.g Russia, which was frozen after being preserved by God, during the flood, which God after raising the size of the earth and deepening the valleys, which in turn divided the earth into continents, to contain the water, which covered comfortably the highest mountain, froze the water into ice(we know ice can accommodate a lot of water that if the whole water in the Arctic region defreezes, the world will be swallowed by water.) This water frozen caused what we now know as ice age, which enabled the movement of animals with the help of God to Australia from Asia. God promised that earth will never be destroyed by water, therefore global warming is not possible. Empires have been known to collapse due to unpredictable climate change e.g in South America, due to drought and climate change, never to be inhabited again.


We know the world was destroyed by flood 4800 yrs ago, therefore there could have been no possibility that the mammoths are 39,000 yrs as stated by pseudo scientists.

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Wat ur point

pesty100:
Wat ur point

My point is clear, no other arguement can fit in comfortably, I have seen a lot of arguements by 'apologists', they hold no water, ELOHIM doesn't need apologists(though apologetics but behave as apologists). It only takes the LORD of Heavens and Earth to know this, how long will you be held at the whims and caprice of satanic scientists? Did you know? Blood was also found in a dinosaur? A discovery which should have shaken the world of science but only for the same set of scientists to say it was located in a place good for archeology, without being affected for billions of years! Sounds believeable right? In my previous thread, I successfully proved that we would be trillion * trillion if we existed 50,000 years ago and proved to a nairaland user that if God told a scientist to say the age of earth after creation, using our 'mordern' eguipment on the 8th day of creation, he would not be near to the answer. Let the foolishness of JEHOVAH be the limit of the wisdom of man. You once told me bible contains contradictions and unbelievable things, bring them one after the other and let me devore them.

Misogynist2014:
My point is clear, no other arguement can fit in comfortably, I have seen a lot of arguements by 'apologists', they hold no water, ELOHIM doesn't need apologists(though apologetics but behave as apologists). It only takes the LORD of Heavens and Earth to know this, how long will you be held at the whims and caprice of satanic scientists? Did you know? Blood was also found in a dinosaur? A discovery which should have shaken the world of science but only for the same set of scientists to say it was located in a place good for archeology, without being affected for billions of years! Sounds believeable right? In my previous thread, I successfully proved that we would be trillion * trillion if we existed 50,000 years ago and proved to a nairaland user that if God told a scientist to say the age of earth after creation, using our 'mordern' eguipment on the 8th day of creation, he would not be near to the answer. Let the foolishness of JEHOVAH be the limit of the wisdom of man. You once told me bible contains contradictions and unbelievable things, bring them one after the other and let me devore them.

How far are the stars outside our milky way that we see? How long will did it take their lights to reach us?

Misogynist2014. Let's take contradiction.

How do you reconcile these verses; 2Sam 6:23 and 2Sam 21:8, where the former says Micah had no child till the day of her death, and the latter says Micah had five sons?

actually woolly mammoths died between 6000-30,000 years because of the evidence(from genomic research) that points to migration to avoid extinction(to colder regions)
http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2013/sep/11/woolly-mammoth-extinction-warming-climate

" these
animals ultimately went extinct just 4,000 years ago."

If they were supposedly saved on "the ark" why did they go extinct in contrast to other species with the same morphology and starting point(where the "ark" was supposedly stopped)

Pr0ton:
Misogynist2014. Let's take contradiction.

How do you reconcile these verses; 2Sam 6:23 and 2Sam 21:8, where the former says Micah had no child till the day of her death, and the latter says Micah had five sons?

Are Merab and Micah same persons? Because the latter verse talked about Merab,not micah

lanaVello1:

Are Merab and Micah same persons? Because the latter verse talked about Merab,not micah

You don't know?? They are.

asala1:


How far are the stars outside our milky way that we see? How long will did it take their lights to reach us?

Very simple! God made it so. What can be started with miracle can be explained with miracle.

lanaVello1:

Are Merab and Micah same persons? Because the latter verse talked about Merab,not micah

Pr0ton:

You don't know?? They are.

'whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.' NEXT

davien:
actually woolly mammoths died between 6000-30,000 years because of the evidence(from genomic research) that points to migration to avoid extinction(to colder regions)
http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2013/sep/11/woolly-mammoth-extinction-warming-climate

" these
animals ultimately went extinct just 4,000 years ago."

If they were supposedly saved on "the ark" why did they go extinct in contrast to other species with the same morphology and starting point(where the "ark" was supposedly stopped)

Remember that Noah saved only two (male and female), it only needed a little time for some animals to go extinct due to survival of the fittest battle.

Misogynist2014:
Remember that Noah saved only two (male and female), it only needed a little time for some animals to go extinct due to survival of the fittest battle.

If they were eventually meant to go extinct, then why were they(according to you) on the ark?
Wasn't the point of being on the ark to preserve that species?

davien:
If they were eventually meant to go extinct, then why were they(according to you) on the ark?
Wasn't the point of being on the ark to preserve that species?

Yes it was, but like language, we just can stop somethings from going extinct. Animals like Mammoth may have died drinking poisoned river and excessive hunting my man for its precious wool, tusk, ivory, skin, meat and other things such as traditional rights, lions are in danger of extinction today, there are many animals which have been known to have gone extinct due to human inteference, thereby loosing out to man in the battle of the fittest.

asala1:


How far are the stars outside our milky way that we see? How long will did it take their lights to reach us?

Don't think I don't understand your question, that some lights would take billions on years to reach us? Let me then ask you a question, why are all planets spherical in shape if we were made by chance?

Misogynist2014:
Yes it was, but like language, we just can stop somethings from going extinct. Animals like Mammoth may have died drinking poisoned river and excessive hunting my man for its precious wool, tusk, ivory, skin, meat and other things such as traditional rights, lions are in danger of extinction today, there are many animals which have been known to have gone extinct due to human inteference, thereby loosing out to man in the battle of the fittest.

So why did civilizations like the sumerians(5000 years ago) not in abundance of fur from allegedly hunting mammoths?

If you conclude that they went extinct due to human activity and the luxury of their hide,why are docile creatures like rabbits,turtles,goats,sheep,cattle etc not extinct also, don't they all have lucrative uses?

What is more easier to kill...a woolly mammoth with 3-times the tusk of an elephant or rabbits and goats?...if your explanation were the case they should all be extinct..

And why would an alleged omniscient being go through the process of rescuing soon-to-be extinct creatures....is that a smart thing to do?....would you rescue a dying cat over a living one?

davien:
So why did civilizations like the sumerians(5000 years ago) not in abundance of fur from allegedly hunting mammoths?

If you conclude that they went extinct due to human activity and the luxury of their hide,why are docile creatures like rabbits,turtles,goats,sheep,cattle etc not extinct also, don't they all have lucrative uses?

What is more easier to kill...a woolly mammoth with 3-times the tusk of an elephant or rabbits and goats?...if your explanation were the case they should all be extinct..

And why would an alleged omniscient being go through the process of rescuing soon-to-be extinct creatures....is that a smart thing to do?....would you rescue a dying cat over a living one?

It is very funny how you are equating domestic animals with wild animals. I once asked my grandma that if the antelopes she brings home, if not well conservered will go extinct, she said they will keep breeding, ignorance has plagued the world for centuries. In kenya, one of the main problems in lion conservation is traditionalists, who kill lions for traditional rights. If lions can be reared among humans, it won't be soon to extinct. Bison, which is similar to the mammoth was almost extinct in america, but for vigorous(emphasis added) conservation effort by america. Hippopotamus is almost extinct, Ivory Cost was called its name because of the huge number of elephants they had, now they are no more. Bear which is needed for medicine in China is facing the same fate, leopards and chetahs are facing the same fate because of their beautiful skin, but for conservationists, they all will be extinct. We must not also forget that they die (mammoth) and have predators.




On your last point, God knew they were going to go into extinction, but HE saved them, you won't blame HIM for saving them, will you? At least it served as delicacy for heartless humans.

Misogynist2014:
It is very funny how you are equating domestic animals with wild animals. I once asked my grandma that if the antelopes she brings home, if not well conservered will go extinct, she said they will keep breeding, ignorance has plagued the world for centuries. In kenya, one of the main problems in lion conservation is traditionalists, who kill lions for traditional rights. If lions can be reared among humans, it won't be soon to extinct. Bison, which is similar to the mammoth was almost extinct in america, but for vigorous(emphasis added) conservation effort by america. Hippopotamus is almost extinct, Ivory Cost was called its name because of the huge number of elephants they had, now they are no more. Bear which is needed for medicine in China is facing the same fate, leopards and chetahs are facing the same fate because of their beautiful skin, but for conservationists, they all will be extinct. We must not also forget that they die (mammoth) and have predators.

So,factoring all the conditions you listed shouldn't hippo's,bears,lions and the others also have long been extinct too?(at the same time period)
Because you ignore the fact that they too have those conditions that make them easily subsceptible to extinction and are used for luxurious materials...so was it only the mammoth that was the stock of the trade?
And about other species in the elephant family,did they have useless tusks and weren't hunted to extinction?

On your last point, God knew they were going to go into extinction, but HE saved them, you won't blame HIM for saving them, will you? At least it served as delicacy for heartless humans.

If "god" saved them then they wouldn't be extinct now would they?
And I dunno how you think humans were involved in their demise considering you believe dinosaurs were on the ark....so which ate first,the prey or the predator?

davien:
So,factoring all the conditions you listed shouldn't hippo's,bears,lions and the others also have long been extinct too?(at the same time period)
Because you ignore the fact that they too have those conditions that make them easily subsceptible to extinction and are used for luxurious materials...so was it only the mammoth that was the stock of the trade?
And about other species in the elephant family,did they have useless tusks and weren't hunted to extinction?

If "god" saved them then they wouldn't be extinct new would they?
And I dunno how you think humans were involved in their dense considering you believe dinosaurs were on the ark....so which ate first,the prey or the predator?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_extinct_animals Your premise is only right if all things are equal, all animals live in same area, eat same food, has same taste, all is not equal.
discovermagazine.com/2013/oct/05-what-killed-off-the-woolly-mammoths This is proof that man hunted this animals into extinction, going well with the Bible.

Yes they can be extinct because he gave man the power to subdue the earth.
To man there are things that are impossible, to ELOHIM, all things are possible. Luke 18:27.

Though God knew these animals would go extinct, HE preserved them, though HE knew they will go extinct, it still doesn't hamper the fact that we were made to make our choice, whether to keep them or to save then. In fact scientists are trying to clone them from those preserved by the ANCIENT OF DAYS. Even an Angel of the LORD called our century wonder! Daniel 12:6

@davien highlight the web and search on Google

Misogynist2014:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_extinct_animals Your premise is only right if all things are equal, all animals live in same area, eat same food, has same taste, all is not equal.
discovermagazine.com/2013/oct/05-what-killed-off-the-woolly-mammoths This is proof that man hunted this animals into extinction, going well with the Bible.

Then I'm right because when the ark supposedly stopped would make all creatures in it exposed to the same environment,food source etc....so why have you denied this?
If they all had the same starting points then you'd expect a trend of similar extinctions at the same time period..

For example,you said only two of each species were taken-but the thing is that two species can never successfully produce healthy offspring....eventually they lose their genetic vigour and a lot of harmful mutations become realised...
So we expect to find a trend of extinctions that matches "the flood" mythology,we should see cows and dinosaurs on the same rock layer and not vastly different ones..

And your discovery magazine is a creationist paper,which serves an "a priori" conclusion that the bible is true without confirmation..

Yes they can be extinct because he gave man the power to subdue the earth.
To man there are things that are impossible, to ELOHIM, all things are possible. Luke 18:27.

Is a planet meant to be subdued or nurtured?
We've realized that subduing our planet has adverse consequences,so now we tend to live in harmony and reduce our impact...was "god" unaware of this or are you interpreting the bible the way you understand it to be?

Though God knew these animals would go extinct, HE preserved them, though HE knew they will go extinct, it still doesn't hamper the fact that we were made to make our choice, whether to keep them or to save then. In fact scientists are trying to clone them from those preserved by the ANCIENT OF DAYS. Even an Angel of the LORD called our century wonder! Daniel 12:6

So an "angel" plainly said the 21st century is that of wonder or are you reading the bible the way it's understood to you?

Misogynist2014:
'whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.' NEXT

What She had sons?

Misogynist2014

You don't get it?

2Sam 6:23 has it that Micah (the daughter of Saul) had no child till she died. 2Sam 21:8 has it that Moreb/Micah (the daughter of Saul) had five sons. If Moreb is your problem here then check your footnote; it is another Hebrew name for Micah! Early translation (like KJV) used Micah. It has been the norm of Bible translators to change words which seem to be errorneous and embarrassing; probably what RSV tried to do there.

You still have another problem here; Saul had one daughter!

Misogynist2014:
Very simple! God made it so. What can be started with miracle can be explained with miracle.

You didn't answer my question.

OP is claiming Yahweh and Elohim are the same person? Elohim is a race Yahweh is from. An extraterestrial having a conversation with Job is no big deal. They die like we do,they only live much longer.

@Misogynist2014 You care to explain how the Pyramids were built?

Pr0ton:
Misogynist2014

You don't get it?

2Sam 6:23 has it that Micah (the daughter of Saul) had no child till she died. 2Sam 21:8 has it that Moreb/Micah (the daughter of Saul) had five sons. If Moreb is your problem here then check your footnote; it is another Hebrew name for Micah! Early translation (like KJV) used Micah. It has been the norm of Bible translators to change words which seem to be errorneous and embarrassing; probably what RSV tried to do there.

You still have another problem here; Saul had one daughter!

I don't think you read 2Sam 21:8, it reads: Michah had 5 sons 'whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the
Meholathite.' KJV Or are you telling me that if you adopt a child, he can't be your child or what actually are you trying to say? Are you beginning to think like Muhammad? I'll appreciate if you can give me better ones cos this one holds no water.

Misogynist2014:
I don't think you read 2Sam 21:8, it reads: Michah had 5 sons 'whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the
Meholathite.' KJV Or are you telling me that if you adopt a child, he can't be your child or what actually are you trying to say? Are you beginning to think like Muhammad? I'll appreciate if you can give me better ones cos this one holds no water.

Bro... Just say your are trying to duldge. You keep skipping "the five sons of Micah" and "Micah, the daughter of Saul".

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Next.. In Matt 10:10 the disciples were instructed not to take a staff along with them in their journey. Mark 6:8 instructed them to take it along. How do you reconcile them?

ifeness:
OP is claiming Yahweh and Elohim are the same person? Elohim is a race Yahweh is from. An extraterestrial having a conversation with Job is no big deal. They die like we do,they only live much longer.

@Misogynist2014 You care to explain how the Pyramids were built?

Thank you, I actually appreciate your question on the Pyramids of Egypt. Remember this verse? There were giants in the earth in those days; and also
after that, when the sons of God came in unto the
daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the
same became mighty men which were of old, men of
renown.

God preserved the Mammoths by freezing it in the polar region intact and without the effect of the flood, it won't be out of the kindness of God in keeping these ancient monuments, which serves as wonder to man today. This topic hasn't been solved because the Egyptians of today can't even try building it.

Pr0ton:

Next.. In Matt 10:10 the disciples were instructed not to take a staff along with them in their journey. Mark 6:8 instructed them to take it along. How do you reconcile them?

Matthew10:10(Kjv)

Nor scrip for your journey neither two coals, neither shoes, nor yet stares; for the woman is worthy of his meal.

Mark6:8(KJV)

And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip nor bread, no money in their purse.

No contradictions because I didn't see anywhere it's written on Matthew10:10, they shouldn't take staffs.

Pr0ton:


Bro... Just say your are trying to duldge. You keep skipping "the five sons of Micah" and "Micah, the daughter of Saul".

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Next.. In Matt 10:10 the disciples were instructed not to take a staff along with them in their journey. Mark 6:8 instructed them to take it along. How do you reconcile them?

Pls whenever you quote, pls make sure you have checked in KJV, I was forced to screenshot it, it is not staff but staves.

FrancisTony:

Matthew10:10(Kjv)

Nor scrip for your journey neither two coals, neither shoes, nor yet sta[b]r[/b]es; for the woman is worthy of his meal.

Mark6:8(KJV)

And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip nor bread, no money in their purse.

No contradictions because I didn't see anywhere it's written on Matthew10:10, they shouldn't take staffs.

As usual There is nothing like stares (noun). KJV has it as sta[b]v[/b]es, a mispelling of staff (as KJV is known for its spelling errors) In fact, other versions have it has staff.

Misogynist2014:
Pls whenever you quote, pls make sure you have checked in KJV, I was forced to screenshot it, it is not staff but staves.

Using error for defence

Why do other versions have it as staff That's a mispelling (which is still pointing at staff)...