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5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 12:21am On Feb 06, 2015 |
What real evidence can be supplied for God's existence? St. Thomas, in his Summa Theologica, sets forth five separate proofs for the existence of God, Unlike St. Anselm's proof, which deals with pure concepts, St. Thomas' proofs rely on the world of our experience-what we can see around us. In these proofs we can easily see the influence of Aristotle and his doctrine of the Four Causes. l) The Proof from Motion. We observe motion all around us. Whatever is in motion now was at rest until moved by something else, and that by something else, and so on. But if there were an infinite series of movers, all waiting to be moved by something else, then actual motion could never have got started, and there would be no motion now. But there is motion now. So there must be a First Mover which is itself unmoved. This First Mover we call God. 2) The Proof from Efficient Cause. Everything in the world has its efficient cause--its maker-- and that maker has its maker, and so on. The coffee table was made by the carpenter, the carpenter by his or her parents, and on and on. But if there were just an infinite series of such makers, the series could never have got started, and therefore be nothing now. But there is something everything there is! So there must have been a First Maker, that was not itself made, and that First Maker we call God. 3) The Proof from Necessary vs. Possible Being. Possible, or contingent, beings are those, such as cars and trees and you and I, whose existence is not necessary. For all such beings there is a time before they come to be when they are not yet, and a time after they cease to be when they are no more. If everything were merely possible, there would have been a time, long ago, when nothing had yet come to be. Nothing comes from nothing, so in that case there would be nothing now! But there is something now-the world and everything in it-so there must be at least one necessary being. This Necessary Being we call God. 4) The Proof from Degrees of Perfection. We all evaluate things and people in terms of their being more or less perfectly true, good, noble and so on. We have certain standards of how things and people should be. But we would have no such standards unless there were some being that is perfect in every way, something that is the truest, noblest, and best. That Most Perfect Being we call God. 5) The Proof from Design. As we look at the world around us, and ourselves, we see ample evidence of design--the bird's wing, designed for the purpose of flight; the human ear, designed for the purpose of hearing; the natural environment, designed to support life; and on and on. If there is design, there must be a designer. That Designer we call God 2 Likes |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by undercat: 12:27am On Feb 06, 2015 |
What difference does it make if we don't call it God? 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 12:38am On Feb 06, 2015 |
undercat:what exactly is your point?? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by undercat: 12:50am On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER: The arguments are beautiful, but I don't think they refer to a living thing. If God is not a living thing, what are we then to do with it? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by georgementday(m): 12:54am On Feb 06, 2015 |
Thanks |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 4:28am On Feb 06, 2015 |
Why is it that when theists try to prove god's existence, they take the POV of a deist? This says nothing about the God of the bible/quran/torah. These are all assertions without proof. "I don't know what started motion, therefore, God"(no.1), "I don't know how the universe came to be, therefore God"(no.2 & 3). That's called God of the gaps fallacy. Perfection is subjective(no. 4). Evolution explains no.5. |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 6:56am On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER: soory i have to tell you my mind theories cant explain who God is mans mind is too finite to define the supremacy of God or the excellency of his wisdom and power our brain cant fathom his strenght even if GOD came down today and says he isnt GOD and GOD dont exist believe me id still follow him nothing can SEPARATE ME FROM THE LOVE OF GOD NOTHING |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 8:38am On Feb 06, 2015 |
DProDG:Nothing can come out of nothing. The same case applies to the universe. Please note that the universe exists in time and space. Before the beginning of the universe, time was reset to zero, meaning that there was no past, no future nor even a present. This is the realm God exists in. I am very sure you cannot imagine a situation were time did not exist because it is beyond human understanding. Time in its philosophical sense was created by God along with the universe, A superior being without a begining. Like I said, beyond human understanding |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 8:56am On Feb 06, 2015 |
I cant believe someone just posted this Op above... smh |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by frank317: 9:05am On Feb 06, 2015 |
This proves God? Mchewwww... I was expecting to see a picture. |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by asala1: 11:29am On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER: And please when did God start existing? and how? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 12:43pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER:nothing can come out of nothing but you believe this ur deity (god) came out nothing right? now if nothing can come out of.nothing it means this ur god cant come out of nothing so who created this ur god and who created the god that created ur god and so the chain keeps going? 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 4:15pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:Please go back to the first point I gave which was explained with the idea of motion. Study it criticaly and you will answer your question by yourself |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 4:18pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
OP, you ended up proving nothing. Muslims and Christians are really dumbhead that they can't prove the existence of their theistic God(Allah & Yahweh). What you just proved is the way a deist believes in God in no relation to yours. Going by your post, any form of religion can use this logic to prove the existence of their God--even Beyonce's religion. Prove the existence of your supernatural biblical Yahweh and Quaranic Allah, not delving into our own way(deistic way). 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 4:27pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
asala1:God never started to exist, he has always been. In his existence there is no begining because he existed before time. There are a lot of mysteries we humans do not understand yet. At least not while on earth |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 4:30pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
signor11:But a mere mortal man, penned down stories, "chapters by chapters" and call it bible and quaran but you believed. Now, Mans mind can't explain who the supremacy & existence of God - talk more of hypocrisy and delusion grandeur. or the excellency of his wisdom and powerHow can you expect atheists to fathom the wisdom and power of a belief based on assumption. More like, telling you my friend lives in Abuja but he doesn't and I'm expecting you to disprove it or fathom what he's doing there. even if GOD came down today and says he isnt GOD and GOD dont existAre you aware how contradictory your statement, is? 3 Likes |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 4:49pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
FrancisTony:very funny...SMH but I went through your profile and discovered that you are a catholic. Or are you now an atheist? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 4:54pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER:I'm a deist... 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 5:22pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER:lmao...assumptions!!! |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 5:29pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
Do I have to point out how many fallacies are in your statements? 1. Secundum quid 2. Exception Fallacy 3. Post hoc ergo propter hoc Do I have to explain them to you too? 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by asala1: 5:43pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER: You are having a double standard here. You agree that God does not have a creator and has been from the beginning but you don't agree that the universe can come out of nothing just like God. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 8:08pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
asala1:Exactly!!! |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by davien(m): 8:16pm On Feb 06, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER:So how does "god" escape a beginning? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by LOSKYXANDER: 7:26am On Feb 07, 2015 |
davien:God simply has no beginning. Time exists in the mind while eternity is above our understanding. Besides I never knew there were so many atheists on nairaland 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by Nobody: 11:16am On Feb 07, 2015 |
FrancisTony: i laugh never knew your one of them |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by davien(m): 1:10pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
LOSKYXANDER:And how did you figure out all of this? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by malvisguy212: 5:09pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
johnydon22:God is a spirit,He existed in a timeless eternity, the universe was created together with time meaning God exist in a realm where caused and effect are not real. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 5:19pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212:lolzzz Constant assumptions!!! Timeless and eternity nawa ooooo!!! |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by malvisguy212: 6:38pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
johnydon22:science say time has a beginning,what caused time? |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 7:26pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Time has a beginning can you please show me the source where you read this from? scientists that proposed it? The field of study? Provide them let me see for myself please bro |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by malvisguy212: 9:59pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
johnydon22:Stephen Hawkins and Albert einstine. Extended the equation of general relativity to include space and time, it indicates time has a beginning http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_epoch Can time exist if no event is happening anywhere? http://www.iep.utm.edu/time/ |
Re: 5 Solid Proves That God Exists by johnydon22(m): 10:18pm On Feb 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212:And where did any of these sources indicate time had a beginning? I dont think you understand what is meant by time here, Do you? |
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