tonididdy:
dracula umdtold is a great movie bro...u know there have been so many movies on dracula but dracula untold was the closest abd best to it.

Toothless, poorly scripted and drowning in an overload of pointless CGI, Dracula Untold just plain sucks, both as a medieval epic and as the supposed launching pad for a new generation of movie monsters.

Dracula Untold is agreeably silly at points, but that hardly covers for the fact that much of the film's action is visually incomprehensible.

...another misguided contemporary update of a classic character.

Vlad's a super-monster. The plot gets jittery. Vlad's relationship with his sweet, fair, lovely wife remains sweetly, fairly, lovingly vapid. And into the 15th-century setting is tossed the modern trope of the father who'll do anything for his family.

VillageBoi:


Nigerians that expect everyone must be a behind-kisser - far too many of such people like you exist. And you ALL come with the most ridiculous statement "Eh you didn't like it where is your own?"

VillageBoi:

Jeez you guys can't ever come up with anything even half sensible?

Your quote - "We all know nollywood movies are bad"
So Nollywood movies must be bad? Well then let your 'expectation' remain in the gutter where it already is

VillageBoi:
Another of your quotes - "Movie reviews is a career I strongly advice you don't go into cause you are really bad at it"
How do you pull off such rubbish? Someone goes to see a film but according to you (translating what you've said) they can't talk about their views unless it's a career? Where did you read that movie reviewing is my career? If you had even a tiny, tiny bit of common sense you'd know that what I wrote wasn't a 'review' nor was it even meant to be one. So yes, I saw a movie, didn't like it... if you feel like getting some rope I'm not going to stop you

VillageBoi:
And to this section of your post - "Rather than sitting in front of your laptop and forming movie critic from an armchair, why don't you go into the movie making business? I'm sure nollywood can use your"knowledge and expertise" or better yet why don't you shoot your own movie to set an example? Like it or not lancelot shot a movie where is your own movie?"
Absolutely not going to respond to the abject stupidity of it.

VillageBoi:


No we don't get tired of criticizing bad work, why should we? Outsource people to work for free? Do YOU work for free or you're a yes-Oga-handout-collector? And no I don't just criticize - I teach and do work in film.

lechiffre:


Between Criticizing movies from your house and teaching film work which one of these two has been more effective in encouraging professionalism and creativity?

mrmagoo:

I'm sorry but I thot the topic title was A Nairalander's "Review" Of The Benin Kingdom
Historical Movie "Invasion 1897"

VillageBoi:

You know where you got that from.

VillageBoi:

I clearly wrote the thread heading as "Invasion 1897 - British Film Institue - Q&A Session - 7th Feb, 2015"... exactly as it has been since the thread was posted.

mrmagoo:


Since you have clearly stated that your long post was a Q&A session, then in that case your Q&A session sucks

VillageBoi:

You honestly don't know what [b]a Q&A session is? Na wa o![/b]

mrmagoo:

And I take you don't know what sarcasm means
Tsk! Tsk!

mrmagoo:

And I take you don't know what sarcasm means
Tsk! Tsk!

VillageBoi:

You'll have to try much harder at sarcasm mate. What it really is is the plain, simple daftness that has been prevalent in all your posts in this thread

VillageBoi:

Did you really drop a line "educate yourself movie reviewing is actually a career"? Oh my... Discovery 2015!

VillageBoi:

We get you love the sound of your own voice but come on take your own so-called[b]'advice'[/b] and make it interesting!

VillageBoi:
Actually don't bother. I didn't like the
film... so get over it!

prof800:
I have been fighting the urge to comment on this thread but I cannot withstand it anymore.

I am on a resolution to never reply "people who don't know better" but I'm seeing incredibly shitty posts by mrmagoo, lechiffre and co.

Please guys if na play... stop am.

First this is not the main critic thread for invasion 1897...this is a Q&A session...for rubbinMinds. I'm pretty sure a pure criticism of this movie will be even less merciful.

Second, a review is only a person's personal opinion. It is not worth arguing over. If you don't like it then write your own.

Then we should know that the importance of criticisms in any profession cannot be overemphasized. In Arts, in Literature... the poets... Even a PhD thesis has to be defended before a panel of jurors. As a moviemaker your first critic is your audience. (just like in the beverage industry where your last and ultimate critic for your product is the final consumer.... no matter how many ISO/NIS certs. you've got.)
The AUDIENCE has the right to criticize a movie and NO they are not obliged to make their own movies due to that. Atleast you see Audience rating international movie sites.


In hollywood, indie filmmakers are usually on their toes knowing that various critics (professional, arm.chair, audience, etc) are at their backs... watching. That is how they encourage professionalism and creativity.


shout out to Lanre Tyson.!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5D58LfKpwI&sns=tow

Peace!

mrmagoo:

Well you did say insinuate that there was no job like reviewing movies and I simply enlightened you Who knew you would take offence? well at least now you know

VillageBoi:

Someone goes to see a film but according to you (translating what you've said) they can't talk about their views unless it's a career? Where did you read that movie reviewing is my career?

mrmagoo:

Or perhaps you should try harder at reading and understanding, for the love of God why will a human being refer to a write up as a question and answer session?

prof800:
I have been fighting the urge to comment on this thread but I cannot withstand it anymore.

Please guys if na play... stop am.

VillageBoi:


No I did not insinuate anything. This is the EXACT post (read the bold part) -

You note the word 'my' in there? That's very, very different from "Where did you read that movie reviewing is a career?"

VillageBoi:
For all the noise you have made in this thread you completely lack the basic understanding & reading skills to figure out what is written... and the above is not the only instance from you in this thread. Here's another one -

Where in the world did I refer to what you are calling my write-up as a Q&A session? The video posted is the Q&A session you twit.

VillageBoi:
You very clearly can't understand anything you read... pls keep quiet about; no be by force nah. For the sake of "Yay I managed to yab VillageBoi" the drivel you are writing is extremely embarrassing to read.
I'm not running, I just can't be bothered to type anymore to a point-blank idi.ot.

prof800:
I have been fighting the urge to comment on this thread but I cannot withstand it anymore.

prof800:
I am on a resolution to never reply "people who don't know better"

prof800:
First this is not the main critic thread for invasion 1897...this is a Q&A session...for rubbinMinds. I'm pretty sure a pure criticism of this movie will be even less merciful

prof800:
Second, a review is only a person's personal opinion. It is not worth arguing over. If you don't like it then write your own.

prof800:
Then we should know that the importance of criticisms
In hollywood, indie filmmakers are usually on their toes knowing that various critics (professional, arm.chair, audience, etc) are at their backs... watching. That is how they encourage professionalism and creativity.

prof800:

@lechiffre, I admire your level of understanding and
I respect your views and opinions. Apparently we
share similar concerns on this issue.
Let us hope for the best anyway.
...cheers.

paranorman:
The awkward moment when you thought you gonna read great comments and critisms, you got disappointed! Man, Naija problems plenty sha, dem no sabi anything! If na Dbanj mater now, dem go full scatter here. Proof: visit science and tech section.. It's painful man.

mrmagoo:

Or perhaps you should try harder at reading and understanding, for the love of God why will a human being refer to a write up as a question and answer session? Not even a two year old can make such a mistake(metaphor by the way just incase you want to take the two year old thing literally) you know what? I shall do you a favour and pretend like I didn't see this, I want to believe you reason like a human being


Well you did say insinuate that there was no job like reviewing movies and I simply enlightened you Who knew you would take offence? well at least now you know

Well this part is kind of meaningless, don't tell me you are running out of things to say come on you can do better than this,its embarrassing


Oh running with your tail between your legs, good idea at least you know when to accept defeat
By the way here is a real kicker I haven't even seen the movie so once again shove your "asss kisser" card back in the deck

dBard:

@o.p..
you're right about one aspect in particular... Invasion1897 is an Epic story that should have been done right because it tells the story of one of the last great African empires and exemplifies the problems with colonial relations then (and even now)
His failure to do just that made a mockery of the whole thing.
The movie was Painfully Disappointing.

dBard:




You haven't seen the movie and yet you're attacking someone else's views on it

s.m.h....

Nigerians are a 'funny' set.

VillageBoi:


Totally understand you Prof, this 'mess' really is one of the reasons I hardly every post things on NL anymore. Apologies for what has gone on so far.

VillageBoi:
Saw this film a couple of days ago at the BFI and part of their regular 'African Odysseys' programme.

Wow, what do I even say about it? First let me remind you of the trailer -

Invasion 1897 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YljETHmfD34

Oga Orikinla, no vex but I was seriously disappointed with this film - remember over a year ago there was that long thread on this film and we talked about so many things - especially the extremely poor VFX and the 'supposed' $18m budget which I straight up called BS. Well the film remained just as bad as the trailer (no they did not ever attempt to rework the crappy VFX).

This is a HUGE story, a huge part of our history and should have been a huge EPIC of a film... sadly it was so underwhelmingly small that a friend I took thought that they were fighting for a little village or patch of land and not a whole Benin Kingdom. When she got home she started reading about the Benin Kingdom and couldn't understand where the $1m budget went. This did not even look like a 100K film... yes it was shot on the 'regular' RED EPIC... sadly not too many of our films look like films when shot on such amazing cameras but end up looking like they were shot on 'video' - post-production people take note.

There was zero crowd. Benin Kingdom soldiers no pass 20 sef. When the Oba's daughter was getting married crowd no pass 30. Seriously how hard is it to go into a village or 2 and get 150-200 people as crowd (shebi na 'epic' you dey make?) This was a joke. Whenever it went into the 1897 'era' you could just not for anything believe you had been transported to that timeline. Costumes were poor, the oyinbo people sef wore kiddy plastic-costume police caps from the 'One Pound' shop and the t-shirts were so modern - there couldn't have been crew-neck elasticated t-shirts in 1897...Duh! Oh and the 'nylon' shorts... why not 'cotton' - Didn't these people watch 'October 1' which is a zillion light years better?
Yes na period drama but the acting was theatrical and generally poor, various things in the edit made it unintentionally comical - this was a serious subject matter nah! Anyway I no go yab the film too much - this was a seriously, seriously missed opportunity. Of course it will pick up the normal "Let's-pity-and-dash-those-black-African-people" some awards from festivals that no one has heard of because the subject matter is a bit controversial.

We really need to learn "Do something well or don't do it at all." Filmmaking is not by force nah; don't do things until you are actually ready - why bite off a thousand times more than what you can chew? And we want Nigerian filmmaking to be taken seriously? We are jokers that have no shame at all - look at a relatively non-filmmaking fellow-African-country like Mauritania diving head first with a 'quality' film straight to an 'Oscar' nomination submission.
Oh well, we're professionals at making the same excuses we've hear a million times over. Bring on the excuses!

Here is the Q&A session which was generally interesting (it's long at just over an hour)
Yes the 450 seat venue was packed - most people left right after the screening.
Invasion 1897 - Q&A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8glXnWvjlXE

lechiffre:

my point is if we want nollywood to grow ideally criticism should accelerate development but practically......... no one is listening

Sanchez01:

True, I agree, it's a great movie but sometimes critics don't see things the way we see them. Here are some of the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Read them and see for yourself. Meanwhile, I'll post some here...

dBard:




You haven't seen the movie and yet you're attacking someone else's views on it

s.m.h....

Nigerians are a 'funny' set.

brothers:


You are so right october 1st was quite a treat Its a shame I didn't finish it, hey I follow all your threads and perhaps you are the best person ask this, I'm studying to become a DOP for movies which of these books do you suggest I pick(ken dancyger's technique of film making or william goldman's adventures) I heard there are both good but I really don't want to get confused so which do I pick between the two
I'm with thenairama on this, I will also like to know where I can watch this 1897 everyone's been talking about it

brothers:

My God so hard work doesn't go into nollywood films? Even if its the crappiest movie in the world, shooting a movie is never an easy task it almost looks like nigerians are programmed to be bias if you criticize a bad hollyweood film tthey call you a hater but if you condemn any nollywood movie at all then its constructive and anybody who does not join them in their condemnation is automatically a supporter of mediocrity and a slowpokre