lizychimamanda:
Most of d scriptures in d holy book u will see were God make dis statement Jacob I love Esau I hate.my question is why is dat so?

onyeomaonyeoma:
Who can question GOD?

lizychimamanda:
Most of d scriptures in d holy book u will see were God make dis statement Jacob I love Esau I hate.my question is why is dat so?

lizychimamanda:
Most of d scriptures in d holy book u will see were God make dis statement Jacob I love Esau I hate.my question is why is dat so?

Lukuluku69:


God did not hate him. The Jewish story tellers did. You can see that when you read thru what their lying pens wrote about every other person who descends from Abraham outside the Jacob branch

Right from Ishmeal to every non "Jewish" descendants of Abraham.

Maynman:

Who can question Tyrant?

lizychimamanda:

lizychimamanda:
i don't really understand you.
Who are the Jewish story tellers

Lukuluku69:


God did not hate him. The Jewish story tellers did. You can see that when you read thru what their lying pens wrote…,,

KnownUnknown:


Is their god also from their lying pens or is he exempted from the other lies?

Lukuluku69:


The God that inspired Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah and many true Prophets of Israel till Jesus the son of Mary is the True God

But in between the stories of this Nation, you will find lies was it Jeremiah the Prophet that said the scribes PEN do tell lies?

Check the Bible. It is written their. The Scribes lying pen ......

KnownUnknown:


Even if the Bible doesn’t include the admission that it contains lies, critical analysis and common sense can identify lies and nonsense.

Regardless, how do you identify the lies? You said:
“That story that Esau sold his birth rights was a lie.
God can't be decieved. God blessed ALL the seeds of Abraham. But the Jewish story tellers would want us to believe otherwise.”

How do you determine that Esau’s story is lie?
Why isn’t it a lie that this god blessed all the seeds of Abraham?

Why isn’t it lie that the god inspired Moses etc?

You accuse them of being “Jewish story tellers” prone to lying but you don’t think they are lying about a god that blessed them specifically?

Lukuluku69:


Oh! The Jews that penned that Nation history.

Read between the lines and you will see thru it.

That story that Esau sold his birth rights was a lie.

God can't be decieved. God blessed ALL the seeds of Abraham. But the Jewish story tellers would want us to believe otherwise

Just as one brainwashed JW is parroting the same Jewish lies above

To let you know that Esau was blessed, it was him that escorted Jacob with armed men when Jacob was travelling and Jacob bowd down for him severally

Also, Jonah, Job were Edomites and are Prophets from the House of Esau. But this they will always downplay.

For more, just mention again

Lukuluku69:


My apologies. Are you an Atheist?

Lukuluku69:

I fact check the lies with others sources.

Lukuluku69:

I fact check their lies with other scriptures of the world.

Lukuluku69:

I fact check their Lies with their own sources.

Lukuluku69:

Once their is a contradictory statement, you know one of the statements is/are lies

KnownUnknown:

No



How do you fact check what these Jewish story tellers wrote about Moses procuring the ten commandments from this god?



Did you fact check the Esau lie with other scriptures?



How does this work?



Can you give an example or two?
Thanks.

Lukuluku69:


Before Moses's Ten Commandments you must have heard about Hammurabi before?

Lukuluku69:

Esau did not write a Book but Moses did about Two descendants of Esau. He claimed they are Prophets namely Jonah and Job.

Lukuluku69:

Other Scriptures of the World attest to this fact.

Lukuluku69:

This put a lie to the Jewish claim that God only spoke to Israel.

Lukuluku69:

There are hundreds of such statements in the Bible but I will pick from the one in Genesis.

Where God was speaking to Abraham and He (God) says " dine only son Isaac".

The above statement contradict many passage in Genesis. Ishmael was clearly called Abraham's son. To now write "dine only son and put Isaac name there is a lie

Lukuluku69:

And if they claimed that Ishmael's mother is a slave/handmaiden, then what about Jacob's other sons from the handmaiden his wives gave him to wife and they bore him children

If Jacob's handmaiden sons were considered legitimate sons why not Hagar's Ishmael?

KnownUnknown:


How does the Code of Hammurabi validate the claim that Moses got his commandments from a god?



How do you know Moses wrote any book and it’s not those Jewish story telling making up tales?
Even if he did claim Jonah and Job were prophets, how do you he wasn’t lying?



Which other scriptures of the world include Jonah and Job apart from the abrahamic scriptures?



Who is God and how did God speak to Israel?
How does God speak to nations/ethnic groups?
I’m asking because it seems that what God says and does are totally dependent on the Jewish storyteller who you’ve made clear isn’t truthful.



The Jewish story teller wrote that the god says “dine only son Isaac”, then contradicts himself in other passages of Genesis. Maybe both statements are not necessarily lies but fiction. Has this god said anything himself that doesn’t rely on the whims and pen of the Jewish story teller?



Maybe they were telling an origin story (lie) of a group they robbed and pillaged.
After all, the same story tellers said a guy named Noah cursed his grandson called Canaan. Maybe that was to justify the stories of destruction they told about the Canaanites.(the “curse of ham” from the same story was adopted by white Christians to justify their savagery towards black folk)

It stands to reason that the story tellers had problems with people who they labeled the descendants of Ishmael.

Lukuluku69:


You raised so many points Mr. Unknownunknown. I must admit, they are quite wholesome to a person who never believed in God. That's the reason why I asked if you are Atheist.

I'd you want to read about Jonah outside the Abrahamic faith. Read the Hindu Scriptures but I must warn you that the names are not the same but you will see the same theme all thru. (Download the Hindu Scriptures and you will be amazed) I can't give a link now because I moved address and most of my stuff are still not with me.)

As regards "dine only son.,..." It could be a fiction and it could be real. But my eyes have seen similar stories in the Hindu Books. Of cos with different names but fitting descriptions.

So, I fact check these stories against what was written. The Hindus could be lying and the Jews could be lying but Scholars have agreed that the Hindu Faith preceded that of the Jews. And if the Hindu books says Ishmael and the Jews say Isaac and the Quran says Ishmael. Then the three can't be all wrong.

The story tellers could have a problem with any people as such they tend to write what their prejudices holds.

Maynman:


Which of the hindu books is talking about Abramaic gods in the middle east?

Lukuluku69:


Check all of them I guess. Read them all.

Maynman:


All what you’ve been saying since are guess?
Because none of what you said exist in the hindu scriptures, not a single one.
So kindly tell us the “hindu scriptures” that you are using to crosscheck the lies of jewish “lying pen”.

Lukuluku69:


No I don't guess and if I do, I will clearly say this is my opinion/assumption/guesses.

You see, all scriptures (The genuine ones) all originated from the same source.

Where you find discrepancies or difference is purely the handiwork of men. Either erroneously or intentionally.

That said, my eyes have seen in the Hindu Scriptures the mention of The Abrahamic Faith and their holy figures

These are stuff I gleaned in my growing days (which has been a while). If I had not seen or read them, be sure that I won't mention them here

But don't worry, I will get busy again and let you some of what I considered mentions of the Jews and Arabs.

onyeomaonyeoma:
Who can question GOD?

Maynman:


All what you’ve been saying since are guess?
Because none of what you said exist in the hindu scriptures, not a single one.
So kindly tell us the “hindu scriptures” that you are using to crosscheck the lies of jewish “lying pen”.

Lukuluku69:


And leaving the Hindu Scriptures aside, what do you think of the fact that some of Jacob's sons were from Handmaidens wombs yet the Jews considered them legitimate sons while Hagar's Ishmael was considered an illegitimate one?

Esau and Jacob were twins I think. The mother iss reported to have hated Esau right from the womb! While she loved Jacob. we also read that Esau would serve Jacob yet we read that Jacob bowed down severally for Esau who protected him on a certain journey and refused to get paid for it?

Jonah and Job were not of Jewish ancestry yet we read in the Jewish portion of the Bible that God did not speak to another Nation beside Israel?

Yet we know by the Books attributed to Moses that Jonah and Job were Edomites( Esau Descendants and also Herod was Edomite yet he ruled over Israel/Jew.

Maynman:


Story, just mention the particular “hindu scriptures” you read.
And we have different sects in Hinduism which uses different book, which one did you read out of the sects?
Scriptures simply means WRITING, by the way.
We have jewish writings, hindu writings and so on and so forth.

Lukuluku69:


From the attachment you posted, 8 have read 5-6.
I have read the Purana, Arthaveda, Upanishads and I think the Regveda.

It was a long time ago but I have read them.

Maynman:


Not yet.
So kindly tell us the “hindu scriptures” that you are using to crosscheck the lies of jewish “lying pen”.