i think knowing how to make a web page unsaveable could be useful. how can i do that. thanks?

U can't prevent people from saving a web page. You can mess around in js, you can prevent right click, but everything you try will be useless because we can still get your images and your source code. You cannot disable stuff like that on all browsers, infact its hard to stop someone from getting that data in even ie because of the fact that the user has to download your web page for his browser to read the code,  all of your code ends up in his cache which he can just go into and look at. Quit trying to protect your client side source code and images,  its impossible.


The only solution that stops people from being able to save what you have placed into a web page is to put the page into a password protected directory on your site and don't give them the password so that they can't access the page. Only pages that can't be accessed by someone cannot be downloaded by that person.
Once someone views a web page they already have a copy of the page on their computer that the browser made in order to display the page.

U could also protect ur source code. This should help http://www.aerotags.com/products/tlp.php

Sooo

There are 2 types of internet users - those who know and those who don't. As a stop-gap measure for those who don't know, you could use javascript to pop up a scary message like "copyright - stealing source code is illegal and prosecutable" (upon right-click). That usually scares the novices away. Putting your javascript and css code in .js and .css files respectively also helps protect proprietary interactive code.

As far as those who know, sorry pal, but there is nothing you can do. FireFox has made it worse by enable users to be able to view and even edit your source on the fly. As has been said up top, you could dabble with putting code you don't want others to see in a password-protected folder on your server, but why would you want to do that?

So to summarize, just stuff your javascript and css code in .js and .css files respectively, and hope for the best, as far as your html goes

I hope this helps.

Hmmm sbucareer,

Regardless of who you directed your tirade at, I don't like your tone. The aim of pple on this forum (at least that is how I view it) is to learn. Spking the way u did can have the effect of chasing pple who would have otherwise learnt something. It takes a lot for some pple to post a question/response in terms of courage and fear of being viewed as "ignorant". Let's not make such pple (including myself) retreat back into their shell. At the end of the day, a post/reply should serve to educate and inform so that in the end, we all learn something

Regardless, I didn't quite understand what you were trying to say up top, again, regardless of who it was directed at. Do post an explanation as I would like to know what you meant and y u put it that way.

Thanks,

Well, I actually didn't think those words were directed at me. But even if they were, nko?

First off, I have a very high and weird tolerance for such remarks and besides, all I was expecting was for you to specify who you were talking to. In other words, let it not be like how we used to do it in secondary school where we would say something and then immediately say "I didn't mention anybody's name o!"

You know, considering I am in the states and don't speak english (yep, trust me, we speak american, not english ), I didn't understand what you were saying and as a matter of fact, don't quite think I actually completely understand u now (don't re-iterate yourself, you can YIM me if u must, he he).

Finally, again regardless of what you meant, I have found from personal experience that if you put your words a certain way, the person taking those words could choose to either go the extra 10 yards or be stubborn and not move an inch.

Thanks. Again, I no vex o! I was just wondering.

sbucareer, u c am?

I knew that is where u were headed. I don't think I doubted what you were saying. I just didn't want to make assumptions. You were on a quest to prove to the world that indeed there was a way and that those who didn't know were imbeciles, ingrates and infidels LOL. For the record, I never did say you couldn't save .css and .js files.

For your convenience, I will reprint excerpts of my original post:

There are 2 types of internet users - those who know and those who don't. As a stop-gap measure for those who don't know, you could use javascript to pop up a scary message like "copyright - stealing source code is illegal and prosecutable" (upon right-click). That usually scares the novices away. Putting your javascript and css code in .js and .css files respectively also helps protect proprietary interactive code.

As far as those who know, sorry pal, but there is nothing you can do. FireFox has made it worse by enable users to be able to view and even edit your source on the fly. As has been said up top, you could dabble with putting code you don't want others to see in a password-protected folder on your server, but why would you want to do that?

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In particular, pay attention to "There are 2 types of internet users - those who know and those who don't" and the latter part of that paragraph, again, in reference to *those who don't know* - "Putting your javascript and css code in .js and .css files respectively also helps protect proprietary interactive code."

I will say, in keeping with my stance of coming on this forum to learn something new, that I wasn't aware of "injecting objects". Again, in keeping with my stance, though I probably will not be able to prove for myself that it is impossible to steal code your way, I will say I have learnt something new and take your word for it.

I knew someone would say something to the effect that you just said, that is why, as always, I took the pains to emphasize (perhaps not enough, but then again, I speak american, not english ) b/w the 2 camps. As for clearing the air, yes, u did and I am now breathing happily. I just cancelled the appointment I made earlier today to go see a psychotherapist LOL

logically, i think it is possible to prevent people from saving a webpage, website, content, script etc. this is how it would work


On my server, i would have mini applications/scripts/programs or whatever u want to call it. these applications would track browser menu selections, on clicking the menu event, SAVE PAGE AS/SAVE ALL/SAVE or using shortcuts ctrl A, ctrl S, printscreen

I would have a script that runs on my server to track the location and which specific files are saved where my webpage, website, images, videos, sounds, scripts, code etc. on my visitors' computer, then the script will transfer the path to a different application that will automatically be download onto the visitors' machine, i will look for the path, possibly search for keywords in the folder, or images that appear on my website and then wipe the content downloaded. this is going to involve quite some intelligent algorithm so as not to remove unrelated information from my visitors' computer

and i could also program the application to delete itself once the job is done as the application will be downloaded automatically each and everytime someone tries to save a page or a content from my site.



if anyone is interested, we can work on a small application, it is not a matter of is it possible? I know it is possible, and then i would definitely try to come up with something if i can get people to join in and help out with programming.

hm lets see before there were light bulbs, or cars, everyone wonder what could be until it came to life and proved them wrong.

i have submitted the project for approval on sourceforge.net which should take two days hopefully, if it is approved, will give y'all the link to join in and contribute. i am lookin in the lines of disabling menu options in different web browsers, website extractors etc on different operating platforms
wish me luck>


if no one understands how this would work, i can still clarify the process and maybe describe or illustrate better with a more decent example

LMAO, sorry guys but after seeing sbucareer's code, I unsubscribed from the post. Now, based on part of his comments, I just had to return. This is becoming funnier by the minute

sbu, in an obvious attempt to pull "effex", said:

These approache could be used for the CSS and Javascript to adopt the middleware deployment which will undoubtedly prevent people from downloading your business logic.

Dude (or should I say "bloke", considering you are in the UK ), even without all your code, business logic, by default is not viewable from a browser via "view source". Neither is it downloadable.

LMAO. Make I go naked baff for bafroom biko. This is too much

oookay, I actually laminated your response so I could read it while bathing with my joy soap (Heeeey, joy girl!! )

I can see that you people are intemidated by my knowledge

Speaking for myself - hardly

If my code is urgly and poorly written, I suggest you supply your cleverly written MVC to use as a comdenation of mine?

I wouldn't know, so I guess you got me there - I am a user interface developer (not designer, pls don't get it twisted and confused ). My job is to interact, via jsp tags, with the backend logic written by a software engineer. So whether it is ugly or not, I cannot say. That also implies I cannot supply you with my "cleverly written MVC". sorry.

I will repeat it again in case you do not know, the purpose of MVC is to separate software concern. We have a concern now, which is people copying or downloading .CSS and Javascript.

We do indeed have a concern. But that concern has to do with defining software. CSS/JS are not software, so there is no need hiding them. In my opinion (just one man's opinion, and I could be wrong) adding extra load on your server by hiding your JS and CSS files, when I could probably pull up via google a solution better than yours, is unnecessary.

I will not futher contribute to this thread.

Hmmm, so again, being u r in the UK, what does your above thread count as? I bet it isn't a "contribution"

I said I will not write or contribute to this thread again, but I just want to make a comment

latest count: my2cents 2 sbucareer 0 - checkmate!!

CSS, JavaScript, HTML, DHTML, XML, SQL etc. are all components of software. Software development need these components to function effectively.

Wrong again pal. Don't take offense o! I am only trying to help spread knowledge and hopefully gain some in the process. HTML, DHTML, XML are markup languages, not software. SQL is a query language. You can write, say, JAVA code, and it is totally independent of the above. So no (mba, beeko, iyo ), software development doesnt need these "components" to function effectively. Doubt me? Oya, show me anything matching the above in this very rudimentary JAVA code (this still doesnt make me a software engineer by the way )

public static void main (String args[]) {
sbucareer sbu = new sbucareer();
if(sbu.isWrong()) {
System.out.println("Sorry pal, but I think you are wrong";
}
}

As we used to say in secondary school in naija, QED

Please stop fighting guys. Your egos are unbelievable!!

Well I am proud because I wrote the code myself. You would NEVER find this type of MVC solution anywhere on earth. If you do they probably copied it from my project, ok.

Just to set the record str8, I never doubted your coding prowess, only your definitions. I personally don't bash people on stuff I don't know myself.

As for "what parses", again, I think you are confusing issues here. I could equally ask what parses JAVA, but that isn't the point. The point is, what defines software? any "ML" language, is just for markup. In particular, you have to realize that there are 2 kinds of programs - web apps and regular apps. The former needs the "components" to function properly, not the latter. Thus, your argument that it does need it in totality fails.

As for "not contributing again", I hope you're keeping count. You have scored 4 own goals by now

Oga Seun, I no dey fight o! I just refuse to accept something that I know is wrong. In the end, who knows, I sef may be wrong at the end of the day. So far though, I am not wrong, again, based on definitions. I have no ego at all. I just won't stand for what is wrong

opening directory part for a folder etc are event driven procedures, so what is stopping an application or something from tracking the events.

that is even a more complex scenario

if you disabled all menu options relating to saving/copying, shortcuts, right/left clicking save/view/copy menu options that is absolutely possible.

the main difficulty will be for those using website extractors, importing into FP/dreamweaver etc or some external app to read.


if sourceforge approvals my proposal which i am hoping to find out tomorrow, that means they also do believe it is doable LOL. else they will consider it crap instead of arguing about this we can do something practical, if we get stuck somewhere then we can give up and say well we tried but unsuccessful.

for all you non-believers of the likelihood on the possibility of implementing something to prevent people from saving/copying webpage/site info, well my proposal was approved at least that is a step forward

Subject: SourceForge.net Project Approved

Your project registration for SourceForge.net has been approved.

Project Information:

Project Descriptive Name: STERILE
Project Unix Name: sterile
CVS Server: cvs.sourceforge.net
Shell Server: shell.sourceforge.net
Web Server: sterile.sourceforge.net

http://sourceforge.net/projects/sterile/

the web server should be up in about 24hrs or less for dns resolution.

next step is now to get as many current sourceforge contributors as i can to brainstorm ideas and how best to implement

hm this seem like a big fight, but i don't think js and css should be hidden but if there is the need to then why don't you. i learnt css by looking at code from people over the web experimenting with themand that greatly improved my knowledge. so far you created it yourself and feel there's an need to protect it then go ahead. lets put our egoes under check.

This was so funny an episode or it an entire sup?

@ sbucarrer

Internet is a free environment. Internet is open source. You can NEVER prevent people from copying you documents on the web. Remember the good old PrtScn (Print Screen).

Just design what ever you want and hope that people can find it very hard to redesign

tis funny u started with u can't do it and ended with tis possible.

Anyway just an abservation: one time i tried to save some tutorial pages off the sun website but it didn't work; just crashed (at least with explorer). Got around it eventually (opera/firefox) but t got me thinking.

I just tried it again

Use this link with Internet Explorer: http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/learning/tutorials/2/helloweb.html
If u get a different experience please share

When you "Save As" it counts to 97% or so and then returns a "Page Could Not Be Saved Error" make sure u're using the "Web Page, complete" option.

Curious, don't u think?

wilkanah,

I will confess that my answer doesnt reflect me actually testing the page but I will offer a possible reason y - with majority of the world using IE, it is possible that they could implement this to throw off the novices. Someone like me, when I c this, I resort to such things as switching to FF (well take that back, I do all my surfing in FF ), viewing source (first try right-click , if they blk that, i go to the menus ), etc. LOL

@rock2

  Guy the only way i know that u can prevent a webpage from being Saved is to
use Javascipt,but don't u think that The great Obantalatarapipipi Of Nairaland is
in a better position to help u, Abeg ask ham First,

   Cheers man.

@SBU

i've been lurking around the forum & it seems to me like u got a vast knowledge i web design , pls man i'd need some info 4rm u.
got dis site thingy dat i'm working on but havin sm stress , my major stress is coordinating online payment on d site into an account locally & how to create a sorta chat-room stage , pls man any help u can offer!

nice,

the javascript solution can be "danced" around in one of 2 ways:

1) disabling javascript in your browser, or

2) using your browser menus (view - source, then copy the source, paste, then save off all the images by referencing their respective paths).