WARTHUNDER:


I told you bruz, am done. I don't have interest in winning online forum arguments.

I understand FLIR infra red, HMD helmet sight, I 1. know how dey do IFF and radar only beeps on dots so it cannot I.D. friend or foe among men and vehices on battlefields, I have posted photos to show it here weeks ago, and I won't repost it again.

Only each buyer can tell us real price of his own variant of Mi-35M, M2 or Mi-28A, NE. 2.All different avionic configurations. Published prices you see are total contract value including spare parts, weapons, training, bribes, etc.

Some estimate Mi-35 & Mi-28 at $15 m to $25 m, prices change per year order dates. Some are even rebuilt second hand Mi-24. How much did NAF pay in 2016?

Everything I said in dat long Mi-35 analysis has published source on internet, invest your time like I did, google many web sources, you will find all my claims 100% correct.

I will only give you two sources that you don't know.

"4.Some HIND E and Mi-35 series export versions have upgraded night and weather capabilities, better avionics, weather RADAR."

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-24.htm

That weather radar helps navigation away from hazards not GPS navig role.

"The Mi-28 program was cancelled in 1993 because it was deemed uncompetitive with the Ka-50, and in particular, it was not all-weather capable."

http://parts.jspayne.com/php/SummaryGet.php?FindGo=Mil_Mi-28N

Please am tired of dis argument, u are free 2 ignore​ facts bruz.

jln115:
can't make blatantly false statements then afterwards say you don't to talk further on the subject when you have been called out.

1. Incorrect, FLIR cannot IFF, that's where Radar data links and targeting systems come in.

2. Again a simple Google search you can pretty much see what exactly the price includes.... These days armes contract are relatively transparent.

3. The deal was worth around $300 mil for 12 mi35m if my memory is correct.

4. Emphasis on SOME I'm fully aware that some Mi35 versions come with radar..... For example the Super hinds offered by ATE come with the same radar fitted on the Rooivalk...hence I said Mi35 M does not come with radar emphasis on M

Kalapizim:
Child

bidexiii:
NAFIL team storms Las Vegas for commercial UAV EXPO



The Nigerian Air Force Investments Limited (NAFIL), recently storm the city of Las Vegas in the United States to participate in the just concluded Commercial Unmanned Ariel Vehicle (UAV), Expo.

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/nafil-team-storms-las-vegas-for-commercial-uav-expo/#commentform

WARTHUNDER:


Why won't you allow me to rest man?

1.If you want FCS weapons radar on your Mi-35M, Russia will add it for you, but air forces are just not showing interest for practical role of attacking land battlefields.

2.You are mixing air domain with land domain, it's air war that uses electronic IFF radar config for aircraft vs aircraft I.D. but in land domain helicopters use visual I.D. aided by optical sensors e.g. NAF needs to differentiate Boko Haram men and Hilux from Nigerian army men and APC, 3.no radar radio link IFF can do that because those forces on land have no IFF configuration, so only FLIR displays on television screen and and you see men, heads, legs, even shapes of helmet or turban, Hilux, Vickers tank, army base cluster of items, all shapes in real life image moving, then FLIR helps attack the right target, that's what I called friend or foe ID or IFF.

Radar does not show you movie like TV image clarity even with radio frequency IFF, it will even ping dot target on metal houses, taxi cab, metal water tank on house top, helicopter pilot won't know who is who to shoot at.

I didn't make false statements, all I said are correct.

Radar on helicopter won't make a difference in separating men from terrorists on a mixed battlefield, reason air forces don't care about radar on Mi-28. FLIR thermal imaging is the sensor solution for helicopter gunship pilots.

Look at the thermal imager targeting I attach now, I hope your confusion has vanished bruz.

Have a nice day my man

An ordinary man that wrote the story is your god now abi? You can't be smarter than him? Boeing and the source chose only the two helicopters they wish to compare. Common sense should tell you that because their comparison also excludes Eurocopter Tiger and China Z-10 that looks exactly like Apache, does not mean Tiger and WZ-10 are inferior rivals not competing with Apache.

My guy u hav problem tinking outside a box.

Look it's not about common sense bruz, it's about technical military sense, Boeing cannot compare Mi-35 with Apache because Boeing does not produce assault helicopters of Mi-35 class, Boeing only builds attack helicopters of Mi-28 class.

So Boeing is totally silent on Mi-35 and chose Mi-28 for comparison, same with that your data source, they both said clearly that the comparison is strictly for attack helicopters and Mi-35 doubles as a troop transport, not categorized with those types.

Russia built the Mi-28 as marketing concept to compete with Apache for customers by using copy copy look-alike shape design, that was the failed idea of rival that only 2 buyers choose. Reality turned out differently than designers concept plan, reality today is 80 air forces worldwide choose Mi-35 if they cannot get Apache, so miltary forces world wide have made Mi-35 the real life rival to Apache in real warfare, not in marketing design concept. This simple fact now becomes rocket science too complex for you to understand

lionel4power:

Please stop.

Toju200:
pls bidexiii give us full details they could have still showcased tsaigumi UAV

bidexiii:
I.D please..

WARTHUNDER:


An ordinary man that wrote the story is your god now abi? You can't be smarter than him? Boeing and the source chose only the two helicopters they wish to compare. Common sense should tell you that because their comparison also excludes Eurocopter Tiger and China Z-10 that looks exactly like Apache, does not mean Tiger and WZ-10 are inferior rivals not competing with Apache.

My guy u hav problem tinking outside a box.

Look it's not about common sense bruz, it's about technical military sense, Boeing cannot compare Mi-35 with Apache because Boeing does not produce assault helicopters of Mi-35 class, Boeing only builds attack helicopters of Mi-28 class.

So Boeing is totally silent on Mi-35 and chose Mi-28 for comparison, same with that your data source, they both said clearly that the comparison is strictly for attack helicopters and Mi-35 doubles as a troop transport, not categorized with those types.

Russia built the Mi-28 as marketing concept to compete with Apache for customers by using copy copy look-alike shape design, that was the failed idea of rival that only 2 buyers choose. Reality turned out differently than designers concept plan, reality today is 80 air forces worldwide choose Mi-35 if they cannot get Apache, so miltary forces world wide have made Mi-35 the real life rival to Apache in real warfare, not in marketing design concept. This simple fact now becomes rocket science too complex for you to understand.

Did you use the comparison tool and you didn't see all the attack helos that compete with the Apache including some you mentioned?

If you know anything about capability comparison, you would've known you indirectly answered your own question, Like hell you could.
Ah-64 and mi-28 are strictly attacks, Mi-35 combines attack with transport, that alone disqualifies the later from competing with the former, that was the reason Boeing doesn't need to mention your darling Mi-35, like I said, Mi-35 will be mentioned when Boeing compares attack & transport you are not smarter than Boeing please keep quiet.

The comparison standard Boeing used in that tool you're struggling to understand is a global standard, I have that for automobiles as well, unfortunately, I will not share it with you because you lack the underlying principle for comparing capabilities, I wont be responsible for your next migrane.

In the automobile tool, once you select a compact sedan like Toyota Corolla, Honda's Accord will disapper, but Honda's Civic will come alive, same thing happens when you select a mid size Sedan like Honda Accord, Toyota's Corolla will disappear while the Camry comes alive.

In a comparison tool, anything not on the list isn't a competitor, that's the ABC knowledge you are expected to have before comparing anything, unfortunately the man that doesn't know jack thinks he is smarter than Boeing, accept my sympathies

There is no technical comaprison tool that brings in "patronage" into the equation so your constant repeating sales figure when the subject is technical comparisons is silly!.

If Honda sells just 1 Accord or doesn't sell at all, it doesn't stop it from competing with Toyota's Camry technically, stop sounding like a comedian.

blacKDalia:

How?

https://www.aircraftcompare.com/aircraft/mil-mi-28n-havoc/


https://www.aircraftcompare.com/aircraft/mil-mi-35-24d/


Compare and see for yourself.

Ask yourself, who in his right senses compares an Attack/Transport combo platform with Attack only platform?
It is not just about comparison tools, that guy Warthunder has no clue the basis for such comparison.

A Psychologist once told me (jokingly) that the problem of Nigerians isn't the quality of education but a genetic degradation that compromised their thinking ability, im beginning to take that joke seriously.

A grown arse man could have all the knowledge in the world but he lacks the ability to apply the same knowledge, what use is the knowledge anyways?

I became horrified when he brought in sales record in technical comparison.
sadly, loads of his likes felt cool with his position, that tells you he isn't alone in the sickness.

jpphilips:



Ask yourself, who in his right senses compares an Attack/Transport combo platform with Attack only platform?
It is not just about comparison tools, that guy Warthunder has no clue the basis for such comparison.

A Psychologist once told me (jokingly) that the problem of Nigerians isn't the quality of education but a genetic degradation that compromised their thinking ability, im beginning to take that joke seriously.

A grown arse man could have all the knowledge in the world but he lacks the ability to apply the same knowledge, what use is the knowledge anyways?

I became horrified when he brought in sales record in technical comparison.
sadly, loads of his likes felt cool with his position, that tells you he isn't alone in the sickness.

jpphilips:



Did you use the comparison tool and you didn't see all the attack helos that compete with the Apache including some you mentioned?

If you know anything about capability comparison, you would've known you indirectly answered your own question, Like hell you could.
Ah-64 and mi-28 are strictly attacks, Mi-35 combines attack with transport, that alone disqualifies the later from competing with the former, that was the reason Boeing doesn't need to mention your darling Mi-35, like I said, Mi-35 will be mentioned when Boeing compares attack & transport you are not smarter than Boeing please keep quiet.

The comparison standard Boeing used in that tool you're struggling to understand is a global standard, I have that for automobiles as well, unfortunately, I will not share it with you because you lack the underlying principle for comparing capabilities, I wont be responsible for your next migrane.

In the automobile tool, once you select a compact sedan like Toyota Corolla, Honda's Accord will disapper, but Honda's Civic will come alive, same thing happens when you select a mid size Sedan like Honda Accord, Toyota's Corolla will disappear while the Camry comes alive.

In a comparison tool, anything not on the list isn't a competitor, that's the ABC knowledge you are expected to have before comparing anything, unfortunately the man that doesn't know jack thinks he is smarter than Boeing, accept my sympathies

There is no technical comaprison tool that brings in "patronage" into the equation so your constant repeating sales figure when the subject is technical comparisons is silly!.

If Honda sells just 1 Accord or doesn't sell at all, it doesn't stop it from competing with Toyota's Camry technically, stop sounding like a comedian.

jpphilips:



Ask yourself, who in his right senses compares an Attack/Transport combo platform with Attack only platform?
It is not just about comparison tools, that guy Warthunder has no clue the basis for such comparison.

A Psychologist once told me (jokingly) that the problem of Nigerians isn't the quality of education but a genetic degradation that compromised their thinking ability, im beginning to take that joke seriously.

A grown arse man could have all the knowledge in the world but he lacks the ability to apply the same knowledge, what use is the knowledge anyways?

I became horrified when he brought in sales record in technical comparison.
sadly, loads of his likes felt cool with his position, that tells you he isn't alone in the sickness.

obidark:


can you calm the fvck down....??
soo,you know more than him,so what....??

SamuelAnyawu:


Evening bro. I sent you a "Hi" message and haven't seen your reply.

I am in Maiduguri for now. Are you in Maid?

oyinpr:
bro you even get time dey follow the guy talk I envy your patience.

blacKDalia:



And the worst thing is that he's a lecturer in one strategic bla bla bla(if that's true). No wonder the people at the helm of affairs in the army don't know left from right. It's mind boggling.

Odunayaw:
Who does he lecture? Mannequins?
This thread has had its fair share of impostors

seankafor:
u wan tell me say if a useless pilot is on the wheels on su 30 whatever, even an RPG won't shoot it down?

seankafor:
u wan tell me say if a useless pilot is on the wheels on su 30 whatever, even an RPG won't shoot it down?

Iblawi1:

real life not is cartoon network.

bidexiii:



I want to ask the same question, I just decided to keep the question to myself.....

bidexiii:
#NAF PILOT Always ready and willing

Stormtrooper11:
Jeez,i just into nairaland as a member after 8 years of viewing battlefield discussion

seankafor:
and so