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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:07pm On May 15, 2017
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:18pm On May 15, 2017
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:24pm On May 15, 2017
IS AN IFV AN MPV/MRAP OR VISA VERSA?


I have noticed a disturbing trend in today’s counter insurgency (COIN) orientated conflicts – IFV’s are being deployed as MPVs/MRAPs and visa versa. Whereas this is not only a serious deployment error, it poses a grave danger to the lives of the occupants of the IFVs and MPVs/MRAPs.

Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) were developed to allow infantrymen to accompany armour formations in relative safety, debus close to or on the objective and provide some protection to the Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs) accompanying them. IFVs are also referred to as Mechanised Infantry Combat Vehicles (MICVs). The infantrymen associated with these vehicles are referred to as “mechanised infantrymen” and they accompany armoured formations into battle.

IFVs provide better armour protection to the occupants than normal Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs), are equipped with heavy weapons such as 20mm or 30mm cannons and some IFVs allow the infantrymen to engage targets with their assault rifles by means of firing ports. The heavy armament allows the vehicle to act as a direct fire-support base for the infantrymen once they have debussed from their IFVs and are fighting through the objective or holding ground of tactical importance.

Despite the improved armour IFVs have, they are not built to withstand blasts from landmines, off-route mines and IEDs. They are designed and built to accompany conventional mechanised forces and add to the shock-effect of the armoured attack and not operate against unconventional forces in a piece-meal manner.

In contrast, the Mine Protected Vehicle/Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle (MPV/MRAP) is designed to transport troops in areas that have a high probability of small-arms ambushes, landmines, off-route mines and roadside IEDs. However, there are design parameters that need to be considered when developing MPVs/MRAPs. These include size, weight, blast- and ballistic protection and so forth.

The MPV/MRAP is not an IFV, but infantrymen can engage the enemy with their weapons from these vehicles. Additionally, these vehicles often make use of a turret-mounted weapon such as a 12,7mm or a 20mm machine gun. The function of the MPV/MRAP is to transport troops to a debussing point from where the troops will locate and engage the enemy on foot. As such, these vehicles remain within the realm of motorised infantry and are vulnerable to anti-tank weapons and heavy machine guns.

Both IFVs and MPVs/MRAPs - be they tracked or wheeled - have good cross-country mobility. This in itself ought to be exploited by the forces using these vehicles and they should remain off the existing roads, making use of the off-road capabilities of the vehicles. (We referred to this as “bundu-bashing”).

These vehicles, despite their protection, have very specific deployment tactics and when road-bound, should be accompanied by combat engineers who sweep the road for mines and IEDs, the sappers in turn being protected by infantrymen who follow a definite formation. There is a specific drill and tactic the sappers follow in order to ensure the road is clear of all threats. Counter-ambush drills are applied as soon as a threat appears imminent.

Obstacles such as urban areas, defiles, mountainous terrain and so forth also require the adjustment of tactics in order to minimise ambushes, mines, IEDs and anti-tank weapon threats. It also requires an understanding and “reading” of the terrain itself and how the enemy may exploit it to achieve his aims.

In the South African border war context, MPVs/MRAPs were developed after taking note of lessons learnt in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe conflict. It was realised that soft-skinned vehicles cannot be effectively up-armoured using sandbags and metal plates. It was due to these lessons learnt that true MPVs/MRAPs such as the Casspir, Buffel, Kwevoel and others were born. In turn, the South African Police’s counter-insurgency unit known as “Koevoet” pioneered the use of the MPV/MRAP as an offensive vehicle, but they remained off roads whenever possible and didn’t use the vehicle as a traditional IFV. Indeed, the latest generation MPV/MRAP known as the Puma M26 is a classic example of this type of vehicle.

The SADF used its MPVs/MRAPs extensively to keep pressure on the enemy, conduct follow-up operations, transport troops to new deployment areas, escort convoys and such like. They were not used in a traditional mechanised infantry role.

IFVs, in turn, were deployed as elements of combat teams and battle groups and were not used piece-meal for COIN operations.

The trend of using IFVs as MPVs/MRAPs and visa versa is irresponsible and will simply present the enemy with easier targets, increase own forces casualties and thus boost enemy morale while reducing own morale.

The IFV is not an MPV/MRAP; the two vehicle-types are vastly different and should not be used interchangeably.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 1:24pm On May 15, 2017
bidexiii:
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:26pm On May 15, 2017
Odunayaw:
Beautiful!


TNKS MAN.................. grin

i also love the sapia mode wink
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 3:16pm On May 15, 2017
Ondo state deputy governor inspects weapons recovered from militants by Nigerian soldiers



Read more: https://www.naij.com/1104676-ondo-state-deputy-governor-inspects-weapons-recovered-militants-by-nigerian.html
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:31pm On May 15, 2017
bidexiii:


IS AN IFV AN MPV/MRAP OR VISA VERSA?


I have noticed a disturbing trend in today’s counter insurgency (COIN) orientated conflicts – IFV’s are being deployed as MPVs/MRAPs and visa versa. Whereas this is not only a serious deployment error, it poses a grave danger to the lives of the occupants of the IFVs and MPVs/MRAPs.

Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) were developed to allow infantrymen to accompany armour formations in relative safety, debus close to or on the objective and provide some protection to the Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs) accompanying them. IFVs are also referred to as Mechanised Infantry Combat Vehicles (MICVs). The infantrymen associated with these vehicles are referred to as “mechanised infantrymen” and they accompany armoured formations into battle.

IFVs provide better armour protection to the occupants than normal Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs), are equipped with heavy weapons such as 20mm or 30mm cannons and some IFVs allow the infantrymen to engage targets with their assault rifles by means of firing ports. The heavy armament allows the vehicle to act as a direct fire-support base for the infantrymen once they have debussed from their IFVs and are fighting through the objective or holding ground of tactical importance.

Despite the improved armour IFVs have, they are not built to withstand blasts from landmines, off-route mines and IEDs. They are designed and built to accompany conventional mechanised forces and add to the shock-effect of the armoured attack and not operate against unconventional forces in a piece-meal manner.

In contrast, the Mine Protected Vehicle/Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle (MPV/MRAP) is designed to transport troops in areas that have a high probability of small-arms ambushes, landmines, off-route mines and roadside IEDs. However, there are design parameters that need to be considered when developing MPVs/MRAPs. These include size, weight, blast- and ballistic protection and so forth.

The MPV/MRAP is not an IFV, but infantrymen can engage the enemy with their weapons from these vehicles. Additionally, these vehicles often make use of a turret-mounted weapon such as a 12,7mm or a 20mm machine gun. The function of the MPV/MRAP is to transport troops to a debussing point from where the troops will locate and engage the enemy on foot. As such, these vehicles remain within the realm of motorised infantry and are vulnerable to anti-tank weapons and heavy machine guns.

Both IFVs and MPVs/MRAPs - be they tracked or wheeled - have good cross-country mobility. This in itself ought to be exploited by the forces using these vehicles and they should remain off the existing roads, making use of the off-road capabilities of the vehicles. (We referred to this as “bundu-bashing”).

These vehicles, despite their protection, have very specific deployment tactics and when road-bound, should be accompanied by combat engineers who sweep the road for mines and IEDs, the sappers in turn being protected by infantrymen who follow a definite formation. There is a specific drill and tactic the sappers follow in order to ensure the road is clear of all threats. Counter-ambush drills are applied as soon as a threat appears imminent.

Obstacles such as urban areas, defiles, mountainous terrain and so forth also require the adjustment of tactics in order to minimise ambushes, mines, IEDs and anti-tank weapon threats. It also requires an understanding and “reading” of the terrain itself and how the enemy may exploit it to achieve his aims.

In the South African border war context, MPVs/MRAPs were developed after taking note of lessons learnt in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe conflict. It was realised that soft-skinned vehicles cannot be effectively up-armoured using sandbags and metal plates. It was due to these lessons learnt that true MPVs/MRAPs such as the Casspir, Buffel, Kwevoel and others were born. In turn, the South African Police’s counter-insurgency unit known as “Koevoet” pioneered the use of the MPV/MRAP as an offensive vehicle, but they remained off roads whenever possible and didn’t use the vehicle as a traditional IFV. Indeed, the latest generation MPV/MRAP known as the Puma M26 is a classic example of this type of vehicle.

The SADF used its MPVs/MRAPs extensively to keep pressure on the enemy, conduct follow-up operations, transport troops to new deployment areas, escort convoys and such like. They were not used in a traditional mechanised infantry role.

IFVs, in turn, were deployed as elements of combat teams and battle groups and were not used piece-meal for COIN operations.

The trend of using IFVs as MPVs/MRAPs and visa versa is irresponsible and will simply present the enemy with easier targets, increase own forces casualties and thus boost enemy morale while reducing own morale.

The IFV is not an MPV/MRAP; the two vehicle-types are vastly different and should not be used interchangeably.

for the more sophisticated and refined gentulmanns in the house the following explanation will be perfect grin

in CT ops MPV/MRAP is like a wife to the infantry and the IFV is more like a GF , a short term solution not suitable for the long haul. grin grin grin



anyways joke apart , the recent trends with IFV development have shifted towards protection (through armour / soft kill / hard kill). mobility gradually is being kind of compromised though then again there have been attempts to find the right combination of mobility and protection to arrive at an optimal solution while keeping true to the original concept of a IFV.

me personally wants to see the utilization of a combination of heavy IFV and convention IFV for todays conventional war .

with the proliferation of ATGMs , only heavy IFV will have the suitability against severe odds.

heavy IFV for me is something like the T72 based TERMINATOR , ie using tank hulks (cut down costs and logistic headache) with add on high caliber autocannons , MMGs , grenade launchers , ATGMs and even mortars to provide the necessary firepower to cut down hostile ATGM teams and even engage tanks if forced to .
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 6:20pm On May 15, 2017
nemesis2u:


for the more sophisticated and refined gentulmanns in the house the following explanation will be perfect grin

in CT ops MPV/MRAP is like a wife to the infantry and the IFV is more like a GF , a short term solution not suitable for the long haul. grin grin grin



anyways joke apart , the recent trends with IFV development have shifted towards protection (through armour / soft kill / hard kill). mobility gradually is being kind of compromised though then again there have been attempts to find the right combination of mobility and protection to arrive at an optimal solution while keeping true to the original concept of a IFV.

me personally wants to see the utilization of a combination of heavy IFV and convention IFV for todays conventional war .

with the proliferation of ATGMs , only heavy IFV will have the suitability against severe odds.

heavy IFV for me is something like the T72 based TERMINATOR , ie using tank hulks (cut down costs and logistic headache) with add on high caliber autocannons , MMGs , grenade launchers , ATGMs and even mortars to provide the necessary firepower to cut down hostile ATGM teams and even engage tanks if forced to .

sometimes I wish warfare could go back to the era of swords & arrows and maybe some charms grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 6:24pm On May 15, 2017
Odunayaw:
sometimes I wish warfare could go back to the era of swords & arrows and maybe some charms grin

angry

Odunayaw:
sometimes I wish warfare could go back to the era of swords & arrows and maybe some charms grin

best wish regarding warfare u could ask for grin grin grin

u have my full support grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:26pm On May 15, 2017
Odunayaw:
sometimes I wish warfare could go back to the era of swords & arrows and maybe some charms grin

cant stop laughing........................... grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:35pm On May 15, 2017
‘Sanctions will be lifted as Sudan takes part in US-Africa military group’



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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:38pm On May 15, 2017
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:51pm On May 15, 2017
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:57pm On May 15, 2017
PHOTO NEWS:


COAS ADDRESSES PARTICIPANTS AT THE RWANDAN DEFENCE FORCE COMMAND AND STAFF COLLEGE NATIONAL SECURITY SYMPOSIUM 2017

The Chief of Army Staff, Nigerian Army, Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai, today presented a paper on “Contemporary approaches to fighting terrorism: Challenges and Prospects” at the Rwandan Defence Force Command and Staff College National Security Symposium 2017, which has the theme, “Contemporary Security Challenges: The African Perspective”, Musanze, Rwanda.
In the presentation, the COAS dwelled on causes of terrorism, the fight against Boko Haram terrorism, challenges and prospects with emphasis on the successes recorded and respect for human rights.
Also on the panel of discussants at the symposium were Lieutenant General Robert Kariuki Kibochi, Commander of Kenya Army, Brigadier General Joseph Nzabamwita, National Secretary of National Intelligence and Security Service (NISS) of Rwanda, amongst others. The aim of the symposium was to deliberate on matters of national, regional, continental and security among the guest speakers, panelists and the participants.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:58pm On May 15, 2017
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:00pm On May 15, 2017
TROOPS ARREST SUSPECTED BOKO HARAM TERRORIST


On Sunday 14th May 2017, troops of 233 Battalion, 27 Task Force Brigade, Nigerian Army, stationed at Forward Operation Base Potiskum in conjunction with vigilantes, arrested a suspected notorious Boko Haram terrorist, Abubakar Adamu, aged 35 years, popularly called "Pepper" around New Prison area, Potiskum, Potiskum Local Government Area (LGA) of Yobe State.
Preliminary investigation shows that the suspected terrorist hailed from Yerimara village, Potiskum LGA and that he has participated in carrying out attacks and other terrorists activities in the north east. Investigation is still ongoing.
In a related development, combined troops of 231and 331 Battalions foiled an armed robbery attempt at Chanchara village, Shani LGA. They recovered an AK-47 Rifle, Machetes and ammunition.
Thank you for your kind cooperation.
Brigadier General Sani Kukasheka Usman
Director Army Public Relations

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:05pm On May 15, 2017
PHOTO NEWS: CHIEF OF THE AIR STAFF, AIR MARSHAL SB ABUBAKAR PLAYED HOST TO THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR (SALES DIVISION AFRICA) OF CHINA NATIONAL AERO-TECHNOLOGY IMPORT & EXPORT CORPORATION, MR FANG XU, WHO WAS IN HIS OFFICE THIS MORNING ON A COURTESY VISIT

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:11pm On May 15, 2017
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:44pm On May 16, 2017
#Mali: Truck belonging to construction company SOGEA/SATOM struck by a mine around 12h in Soumpi, #Niafunké, driver lightly wounded

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:48pm On May 16, 2017
Note the uncommon to the region(north of sinai,Egypt) Steyr AUG, a product of smuggling by #ISIS, possibly from #Tunisia through #Libya:

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:49pm On May 16, 2017
#Egypt- Large arms shipment from #Ismailia area to North #Sinai foiled, including 20 Steyr AUGs, 4 PKMs & 1 unspecified NVG

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:53pm On May 16, 2017
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:53pm On May 16, 2017
Somalia: Two Soldiers Injured in Al Shabaab Attack in Qoryoley



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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:13pm On May 16, 2017
Libya receives refurbished patrol boats from Italy

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:17pm On May 16, 2017
INSIDE OF A SCORPION AMBULANCE

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NA SCORPION AMBULANCE(FV104 SAMARITAN)

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 12:31pm On May 17, 2017
UK ROYAL DEFENCE COLLEGE TEAM VISITS DEFENCE HEADQUARTERS


The Staff and members of the United Kingdom Royal College of Defence Studies (RCDS) led by Major General Lawrence Craig have paid a visit to the Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Abayomi Gabriel Olonisakin at the Defence Headquarters Abuja. The visit was part of the Royal Defence College Geo-Strategic Study Tour to understudy the Nigerian military winning strategy in combating Boko Haram Terrorism in the North East and militancy in the Niger Delta region.
The CDS noted that Terrorism and insurgency are global security challenges and the Defence Headquarters has recorded significant victory over the Boko Haram Terrorists who hitherto halted socio economic activities in the North East. He expressed optimism that with the reinvigorated Armed Forces of Nigeria and the collaboration of the Multinational Joint Task Force, the BHT menace would soon be over.
The CDS who was represented by the Chief of Defence Policy and Plans, Air Vice Marshal Bashir Saidu expressed appreciation to the UK for extending their training programme to some of Nigerian officers in their prestigious Royal Defence Academy.
In his response, the Team Leader, General Lawrence stated that the visit was part of the Royal Defence College geo-strategic tour to acquaint the members with the emerging global phenomenon in African perspective. He applauded the CDS and the Nigerian Armed Forces for their tremendous contributions to Nation building and observed that in spite of the myriad of security challenges, the Nigerian military has been able to give a good account of itself as a leading military force in Africa and the sub-region.
Members of the delegation were briefed on the operational activities of the DHQ which includes: Lafiya Dole, Delta Safe, Awatse, Safe Haven, and International Peace Support Operations.

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:13pm On May 17, 2017
#Libya- LNA units from Omar Mukhtar Operations Room dismantle IEDs in the valleys surrounding #Derna

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:14pm On May 17, 2017
#Libya- Skydiving display by al-Saiqa SF in LNA's parade in Tocra, near al-Marj, for Operation Dignity's third anniversary

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:16pm On May 17, 2017
Photos from #Tunisia-#US JCET- including training in MOUT, first aid, seaborne and fast-roping from CH-47s

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:34pm On May 17, 2017
The man who brokered the deal to release the Chibok girls


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39928628

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:43pm On May 17, 2017
60 Nigerian military officers for armament training in India


60 Nigerian military officers are undergoing a six-week extensive training in highly specialized fields of weaponry and communication in India.


A statement from the Indian High Commission in Abuja said the training, offered by the Indian Armed Forces, was to further enhance the capacity of the Nigerian troops as they battle Boko Haram insurgency in the north east.

The training was sponsored by the Indian government and will continue until June 10, 2017, the statement said.

India’s “sustained” support to the Nigerian armed forces was due to the strong bilateral relations between both countries, it added.

“A large number of training courses are being offered by the Indian Armed Forces to further enhance the capacity and capability of the Armed Forces of Nigeria.

“In continuation to this effort, highly intensive armament training for sixty personnel of the Nigerian Army has commenced in India on May 01, 2017. This training is being imparted to both Officers and soldiers and will continue until June 10, 2017.

“The six week extensive training includes highly specialized fields of weaponry and communication.

“The funding for the training is being provided by the Government of India,” the statement said.



https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/60-nigerian-military-officers-for-armament-training-in-india/197969.html

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